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Gazoo: I agree with you. Staying in college one more year would have given him a chance to play significant minutes, for one on one coaching and time to bulk up slowly. He is now in a position where he has to immediately show talent and results to impress the NBA and Mavs. Based on talented kids coming out of college and from Europe every year, I am not optimistic about his chances. I have always felt he made a mistake.
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Again, Kostas hated school. He was not staying and could not.
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Kostas will have a solid career playing in some mid tier Euro league.
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Again, Kostas hated school. He was not staying and could not.
One of two important points that seem to be missed or ignored. The other being that the NBA is pouring money and support into the G-League.

This isn't the World League, the USBL or even the old D-League. The Mavs have a vested interest in Kostas succeeding. Maybe he is getting no nutritional or skills training. For some reason, I doubt it.

And to build on your point, all other things being equal, if he had come in and been a severe behavioral issue many would have said good riddance. I'm not sure anyone actually SAYS that but you get the point. The kid didn't want to be in school... any school.

He is pretty much exactly the type of kid that has driven the changes in the G-League. If the new model is to work it will be because it works for kids like Kostas. It seems like most wish him well even if they disagree with the decision which is the way it should be. The "new" G-League is going to have an impact on the game. Hopefully, it isn't something we need to deal with too often.
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FWIW, Kostas is putting up very pedestrian numbers in the G-League.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1628961/

Thru 12 games he's averaging 9.1 pts and 6.3 rbs and 2 blocks with a +/- of -2.
Not sure if I would say pedestrian. Considering what he put up in college I think those numbers are pretty good for him in his first year at that level.
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Not sure if I would say pedestrian. Considering what he put up in college I think those numbers are pretty good for him in his first year at that level.
I understand what you're implying, but if you take a few minutes to compare his stats to others who weren't drafted and those who were, 'pedestrian' is actually a compliment.
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I understand what you're implying, but if you take a few minutes to compare his stats to others who weren't drafted and those who were, 'pedestrian' is actually a compliment.
I get what you are saying too but I gotta believe the Mavs see upside in him that may take a little while so they probably didn't expect huge numbers right away...plus they know what his last name is and we all know they are hoping lightning strikes twice!
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what were his brothers stats the first two years after he was drafted?
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what were his brothers stats the first two years after he was drafted?
FWIW, Giannis turns 24 today.

as a 19 year old rookie, he averaged 6.8 pts and 4.4 rbs, starting 23 games

as a 20 year old, he averaged 12.7/6.7 and started 71 of 81 games.

Kostas turned 21 on Nov 20th...2 weeks ago.

At 22, Giannis was voted a started in the NBA All-Star game.
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One of two important points that seem to be missed or ignored. The other being that the NBA is pouring money and support into the G-League.

This isn't the World League, the USBL or even the old D-League. The Mavs have a vested interest in Kostas succeeding. Maybe he is getting no nutritional or skills training. For some reason, I doubt it.

And to build on your point, all other things being equal, if he had come in and been a severe behavioral issue many would have said good riddance. I'm not sure anyone actually SAYS that but you get the point. The kid didn't want to be in school... any school.

He is pretty much exactly the type of kid that has driven the changes in the G-League. If the new model is to work it will be because it works for kids like Kostas. It seems like most wish him well even if they disagree with the decision which is the way it should be. The "new" G-League is going to have an impact on the game. Hopefully, it isn't something we need to deal with too often.
Totally get your point. And I don't want to be at work, I just want to make millions of $$. Can I? Nope.

KA didn't want to be in school. He made his choice. If he had a little more "want" regardless of how much he enjoyed school he would have, in my opinion, been better served. What he wants has very little to do with the equation. It's not like he would have flunked out when surrounded by the number of advisors he would have.

So, yeah, suck it up and go to class or go to Oregon / North Carolina.
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And yet Cardale stayed in school when he could have (and probably should have) gone pro.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Totally get your point. And I don't want to be at work, I just want to make millions of $$. Can I? Nope.

KA didn't want to be in school. He made his choice. If he had a little more "want" regardless of how much he enjoyed school he would have, in my opinion, been better served. What he wants has very little to do with the equation. It's not like he would have flunked out when surrounded by the number of advisors he would have.

So, yeah, suck it up and go to class or go to Oregon / North Carolina.
The major difference in your (and my) situations compared to Kostas is that there wasn't a multi-billion dollar industry developing it's own support system as an alternative route. The investment the NBA is making is making in a minor league feeder system now means that a kid's wants do now matter.

Of course the route won't be open to most kids. Many, and I hope most, of the kids that do have that alternative as a legitimate route will prefer the exposure, rivalries, life experience and education that comes with playing in college. The vast majority of kids are in the same position they have always been. The G-League won't be an option so they will need to go to school to play at a school regardless of want. Kostas had a legitimate alternative and took it. How legitimate is yet to be seen. A lot will have to do with the kid and more than likely the NBA organization affiliated with a kid's G-League team.

Football was alluded to in a few posts. Obviously a completely different animal.
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Originally Posted by Bucketnight View Post
The major difference in your (and my) situations compared to Kostas is that there wasn't a multi-billion dollar industry developing it's own support system as an alternative route. The investment the NBA is making is making in a minor league feeder system now means that a kid's wants do now matter.

Of course the route won't be open to most kids. Many, and I hope most, of the kids that do have that alternative as a legitimate route will prefer the exposure, rivalries, life experience and education that comes with playing in college. The vast majority of kids are in the same position they have always been. The G-League won't be an option so they will need to go to school to play at a school regardless of want. Kostas had a legitimate alternative and took it. How legitimate is yet to be seen. A lot will have to do with the kid and more than likely the NBA organization affiliated with a kid's G-League team.

Football was alluded to in a few posts. Obviously a completely different animal.
I think the basic difference in assumptions here is this:

Option 1: go to the D league because you don't want to go to school, sign a 2-way contract, make a few hundred thousand $ for a couple years (risking injury), then you're left with the optionality of either multi-million $ NBA contract or Europe.

Option 2: stay in school for 1 more year and earn nothing (risking injury), but then instead of being drafted last in the 2nd round you get drafted in the first round with multi-million $ guaranteed contract, then you're left with the optionality of either making it in the NBA from the start (more likely if guaranteed contract--they hate sending you down at that point), D league (risk of injury), or Europe.

I'm not saying I'm right that he'd be a first round pick. But it is my assumption. Racking up big numbers against the A10 and highlight reel plays that raise his profile means he's no longer just the younger brother, he's the younger brother on SportsCenter every night.

If you assume he's equally likely to get the big contract by going another year of college or a year of D league, then go to the D league. I'm assuming he's got a better chance of getting a big payout by staying a year.

So if you want to argue the assumption that's totally fine. I very well may be wrong. But if you take my assumption as a given, he made the wrong choice. And if I take your assumption as a given (I'm putting words in your mouth) then he made the right choice. I think this keeps getting confused in this discussion.
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See Bryce Love, Stanford running back. Last year, second in the Heisman, projected as a first round pick. He decided to stay in school, but he is an excellent student, who is going to med school at some point. Love definitely wants to play pro football. This year hurt most of the year, and had a poor season. Will he get drafted? Maybe, with so many rounds, but he lost some huge bucks.
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If you assume he's equally likely to get the big contract by going another year of college or a year of D league, then go to the D league. I'm assuming he's got a better chance of getting a big payout by staying a year.

So if you want to argue the assumption that's totally fine. I very well may be wrong. But if you take my assumption as a given, he made the wrong choice. And if I take your assumption as a given (I'm putting words in your mouth) then he made the right choice. I think this keeps getting confused in this discussion.
You KNOW what happens when we assume!

FWIW, I actually think there are huge holes in both our assumptions. It is a huge leap of faith to believe Kostas would have made the leap to being one of the 20-25 non-European players taken in the 1st round. We can't be sure how he would have fit or if he would have gone to class enough to stay eligible. On the other hand, it is taking a leap of faith to believe that a kid without the motivation to embrace the college experience will have the motivation and maturity to grind out the path to get beyond the G-League. A kid with money and at this point unknown structure could be a very bad mix. He has a great opportunity but it will be up to him.

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Just commenting since it's college basketball down time. I recently read that Kostas is on the Dallas Mavericks roster. I thought he must have really improved. I went to his Maverick's bio and it says" After a standout performance in the Vegas Summer League during which he averaged 5 pts. and 2.5 rebounds per game. Kostas has a unique combination of length and athleticism that could turn him into a big time NBA talent very soon."

That bio is the same stats that he had at U.D. Me thinks he's on the roster for reasons other than ability.
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Just commenting since it's college basketball down time. I recently read that Kostas is on the Dallas Mavericks roster. I thought he must have really improved. I went to his Maverick's bio and it says" After a standout performance in the Vegas Summer League during which he averaged 5 pts. and 2.5 rebounds per game. Kostas has a unique combination of length and athleticism that could turn him into a big time NBA talent very soon."

That bio is the same stats that he had at U.D. Me thinks he's on the roster for reasons other than ability.
FYI they currently have 19 to 23 players listed on the roster including Dirk who retired - depending on what website your sourcing. It’s a time of year thing as free agent movement is still going on.
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Mavs waive Kostas: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/07/...tokounmpo.html

But he's being claimed by the NBA Champion Raptors: https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-new...box=1563573881
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Kostas left a year too early.
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While I would have liked to have seen him play another year at UD, IMO he got better instruction at Frisco on how he will have to play to make an NBA roster and contribute. He is still very young and physically underdeveloped. I watched almost all his minutes in Summer League and he shot very poorly. Even gagged a can't miss ally-oop dunk.

Because of his young age, his continued development, and his name, he will hang around the G League/ NBA for several more tries at getting better and sticking with a club.

NBA hopefuls have to take the shots that they get in rhythm. He wasn't bashful, but you have to make a good % of them. Did not happen.
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I don’t think Kostas handled the coaching change at UD well nor do I think he bought into AG’s system. Thus he didn’t play much his last year at UD. He didn’t handle the adversity well two years ago. Now he will get a second bite at the adversity apple. Hopefully he handles it better because his path to make an NBA roster will continue to require him to step up both physically and mentally. Another year at UD would have helped him mentally maybe more than skill-wise. Time will tell if if his time in Frisco helps him handle the adversity. This won’t be his last set back on this journey.
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Kostas left a year too early.
When he was drafted, one scout said "Kostas is a year away from being a year away,"

Kostas should have stayed at UD for two years , minimum.
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Swampy, you are only thinking about a young player who's family has not had significant basketball success already, who valued a college degree, who does not already have two players in the NBA who chose not to go to college. Kostas is from a different mold. He's chasing a rainbow where the pursuit of a college degree simply gets in the way of making millions bouncing a ball, and his brothers have figured it out.

What kid is going to stay in school for 3 or 4 years when his mentors and his heart are entertaining a quicker path to riches, accomplished already by his kin(s)?

Your assumption is that Anthony Grant can develop a big man better than the G-league, and it might be valid.
That jury is still out. AG has an opportunity to show us with Obi and Jordy.
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I watched one of the Mav's summer league games and they said he added something like 40lbs of muscle
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He hated school - would do UD no good for him to stay and be academically ineligible
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I watched one of the Mav's summer league games and they said he added something like 40lbs of muscle
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Maybe since High school. That, or the rest of the bigs in the summer league added 50lbs.
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I watched one of the Mav's summer league games and they said he added something like 40lbs of muscle
He was listed at 190 in year one and 197 in year two. Mavs roster had him at 200. I “ marveled” at how little weight he put on with three years of strength and conditioning expertise at his disposal...not to mention nutritional guidance.
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I think the taller you are the harder it is to bulk up
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I think the taller you are the harder it is to bulk up
Yep, just ask any football lineman.
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Yep, just ask any football lineman.
look at their physiques compared to basketball players. How many big men coming into college basketball need to put on weight versus like Sissko
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Kostas was claimed by the Lakers. Of course people are already seeing this as a play by the Lakers to get his big brother when he becomes a free agent in 2 seasons.
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When he was drafted, one scout said "Kostas is a year away from being a year away,"

Kostas should have stayed at UD for two years , minimum.
Swampy, you might want to read the article below about the Antetokounmpo brothers. Pay close attention to the grand plan for all of the brother's goals to go through 3 or 4 years of college.

NOT !!!

After reading the article, I'm shocked that Kostas got a year of college in.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-antetokounmpo
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Actually, he got in two years, considering he had to sit out his first year.
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While I would have liked to have seen him play another year at UD, IMO he got better instruction at Frisco on how he will have to play to make an NBA roster and contribute.

I can't say you're wrong, because we'll never know what would have happened had he stayed in college. But I disagree.



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Swampy, you might want to read the article below about the Antetokounmpo brothers. Pay close attention to the grand plan for all of the brother's goals to go through 3 or 4 years of college.

NOT !!!

After reading the article, I'm shocked that Kostas got a year of college in.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-antetokounmpo

The point isn't whether he planned to go to college for 4 years, planned to work on Italian cars for 4 years, or planned to try his hand at acting for 4 years. The point is: what is the actual best plan for him.
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LMAO - Obi and Jhery are 22+ years old. They gotta go now. They don’t have many years to play pro.

Kostas is 22 - he’s so young and has all the time in the world to develop into a player like his brother...
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