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Players/Recruits Reaction to Grant Hiring

I don't tweet at or follow any of these guys, but interested to see what reactions are - positive, negative or indifferent. Figured it would be worth a topic if anyone wants to share those as they come in.
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I have to believe neutral at best. They don't know AG other than what they read on UD's announcement.

But this brings me to a different topic. I don't recall AM being very aggressive going after Henton and the other big guy from Detroit. It was several weeks before he even met either face to face. I don't think he was sold on either or, perhaps, a little too brash thinking he could get equal if not better recruits.

I'd like to think AG is going to make reaching out to the recruits a very high priority which I think could help him retain a good portion of them.

From what I know, I could see where a parent would be very happy about letting their son get mentored by AG--he'll definitely win over the parents. Can he win over the recruits?
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I have to believe neutral at best. They don't know AG other than what they read on UD's announcement.

But this brings me to a different topic. I don't recall AM being very aggressive going after Henton and the other big guy from Detroit. It was several weeks before he even met either face to face. I don't think he was sold on either or, perhaps, a little too brash thinking he could get equal if not better recruits.

I'd like to think AG is going to make reaching out to the recruits a very high priority which I think could help him retain a good portion of them.

From what I know, I could see where a parent would be very happy about letting their son get mentored by AG--he'll definitely win over the parents. Can he win over the recruits?
Miller set up a meeting with one of those guys at a Dunkin' Donuts. Things didn't get off to a great start.
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Originally Posted by springborofan View Post
I have to believe neutral at best. They don't know AG other than what they read on UD's announcement.

But this brings me to a different topic. I don't recall AM being very aggressive going after Henton and the other big guy from Detroit. It was several weeks before he even met either face to face. I don't think he was sold on either or, perhaps, a little too brash thinking he could get equal if not better recruits.

I'd like to think AG is going to make reaching out to the recruits a very high priority which I think could help him retain a good portion of them.

From what I know, I could see where a parent would be very happy about letting their son get mentored by AG--he'll definitely win over the parents. Can he win over the recruits?
I hear what you're saying and believe these are two very different situations and will be treated as such by our new coach. AM came into the program that was in need of a rebuild as far as players go. The team came off of two disappointing seasons(winning the NIT is disappointing as the big picture of season goes for me). Keeping the two recruits probably wasn't as crucial to things as far as AM was concerned and might have been looked upon as detrimental to the future as far as getting his type of players and style in. He probably realized that while it would help him in his first couple seasons it might slow up what he really was trying to do.

AG is coming in to a program that lost a lot of seniors, this is true. But one that I don't think anybody was disappointed in. I think the best that AG can hope for is to keep the success going and not doing a huge rebuild but a subtle one that takes more years to get his players in.

Hopefully he can keep 2 or 3 of the new recruits and also sign some that are backing out or leaving a program that just lost their coach.
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Not current player, but former player Chris Wright:

Congratulations to my guy AG! Type of guy players love to play for! Extremely knowledgeable of the game and knows what it takes to succeed! https://t.co/cYOay6C22s
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And I'd me more interested in AG actually updating and useing his twitter...
As far as i can tell this is it
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Miller set up a meeting with one of those guys at a Dunkin' Donuts. Things didn't get off to a great start.
Percy Gibson told me when I talked to him at the MI HS Alll Star Game that the site of their meeting was chosen by his mom, not Archie.
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I don't know what the policy is; but I think before a school releases a player the school should insist on a face-to-face meeting with the incoming coach. Then if a player wants out....OK...but not before.

The commitment is to the school...not a coach.
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Miller set up a meeting with one of those guys at a Dunkin' Donuts. Things didn't get off to a great start.
Maybe it was Henton and he really liked Dunkin' Donuts better than Miller and ended up at Providence so he could play in the Dunkin' Donuts Center...
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I don't know what the policy is; but I think before a school releases a player the school should insist on a face-to-face meeting with the incoming coach. Then if a player wants out....OK...but not before.

The commitment is to the school...not a coach.
Being a hardass doesn't do anything but hurt. You don't want to develop a reputation of making people jump through hoops to get their release under these circumstances. Even something as simple as dictating that the recruit meet with the new coach can cause resentment in the matter of "they think they own me" type thinking. Not only that, but you demand I meet with the new coach before granting my release, I'm not going in their with the attitude that I really care what this guy has to say or ask. I'm pretty sure it's in the recruits best interest to go through a one on one with the new coach before making their decision anyway and dictating it would make no positive difference.
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It was Gibson.

Archie never met with Henton. Henton let it be known he was out and would not consider UD any longer. No reason to meet with him.
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Now that he's the coach, I'm assuming AG is free to reach out to the recruits. I would guess the order of business is as follows:

1) Contact returning players.
2) Evaluate and reach out to Archie's recruits.
3) Assemble staff.
4) Hit the recruiting trail.

Those are in no particular order because I'm sure he's capable of multitasking. But I'm guessing his first full-team meeting (with returning players) is pre-press conference, meaning either tomorrow or early Saturday.
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Miller set up a meeting with one of those guys at a Dunkin' Donuts. Things didn't get off to a great start.
No wonder! I'm sure Krispy Kreme would've done the trick
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It was Gibson.

Archie never met with Henton. Henton let it be known he was out and would not consider UD any longer. No reason to meet with him.
I believe you are correct. Henton immediately asked for us release. The good news is not one recruit has asked for release and appear willing to consider new staff.
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It was Gibson.

Archie never met with Henton. Henton let it be known he was out and would not consider UD any longer. No reason to meet with him.
And that was not surprising considering that things looked like a dumpster fire at that point in time. He probably had 2nd thoughts even before the Staten stuff started(I'm sure all recruits do at some point).

It's also one of the reasons I thoroughly enjoyed the beatdown UD gave Providence in his final game.
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The good news is not one recruit has asked for release and appear willing to consider new staff.
Some of their previous tweets indicate that several of them are excited about playing together. They believe they are (or will be) a special group. That is the angle I like as UD tries to keep as many as possible.
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Percy Gibson told me when I talked to him at the MI HS Alll Star Game that the site of their meeting was chosen by his mom, not Archie.
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I don't know what the policy is; but I think before a school releases a player the school should insist on a face-to-face meeting with the incoming coach. Then if a player wants out....OK...but not before.

The commitment is to the school...not a coach.
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Tom Ostrom on Anthony Grant: "The University of Dayton is getting a man of impeccable integrity and character."
I hope that's not like saying to someone you're setting up with a date "She's got a great personality".
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Even something as simple as dictating that the recruit meet with the new coach can cause resentment in the matter of "they think they own me" type thinking.
They sort of do. He signed the LOI (NLI).

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They sort of do. He signed the LOI.
Sort of, but not. Again, the point of my post is that you don't want the reputation of being an obstacle to a youngster finding another program when the head coach leaves. You don't want a reputation of being a hardass either. I guess if it was standard around the NCAA it would be okay to do so, but it's not so it's not.
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Sort of, but not. Again, the point of my post is that you don't want the reputation of being an obstacle to a youngster finding another program when the head coach leaves. You don't want a reputation of being a hardass either. I guess if it was standard around the NCAA it would be okay to do so, but it's not so it's not.
It's not that hard. Coach calls the kid, tells him how important he is to the program, then asks if they can get together. If kid says no, I just want out. Don't even care to meet you, then absolutely, you let him know the paperwork is on the way.
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Tom Ostrom on Anthony Grant: "The University of Dayton is getting a man of impeccable integrity and character."

Jablonski saying Ostrom doesn't know yet if he is staying on with Anthony or going with Archie.
Ostrom no knowing one way or the other is a better position that I thought we'd be in. I view it as a positive. Throw some cash his way and get it done!
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I don't know anything about the source here, just on Twitter, so take it for what it is worth.

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So you're say Ron (Ray, what ever the hell his first name is) Harper still has a chance here?
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I replied with the following on the other thread where you posted this too:

Come on Dogdaddy. You can't put something like that on here from an anonymous account with 22 followers that was started yesterday.

It might be right in the end, but you can't use that kind of account as a source. I could start one right now and say the exact opposite
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I have to ask this question: Why would a 17 year old be that biased against a new head coach that played for the very same university that the young recruit was going to play for just a few days ago? Wouldn't you, or at-least those around you, reasonably think that if I want to be a Dayton Flyer, then there is no reason why I shouldn't want to play for a former Dayton Flyer who has both big time head coaching and big time assistant coaching experience...including the NBA, and National Championship program?

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I have to ask this question: Why would a 17 year old be that biased against a new head coach that played for the very same university that the young recruit was going to play for just a few days ago? Wouldn't you, or at-least those around you, reasonably think that if I want to be a Dayton Flyer, then there is no reason why I shouldn't want to play for a former Dayton Flyer who has both big time head coaching and big time assistant coaching experience...including the NBA, and National Championship program?

I cannot imagine being the parent, coach, or other mentor to one of the current UD recruits, and letting that young man believe anything other than what a great opportunity this is.

Perfectly well reasoned thought process. The 2 problems with it are:

1. Emotion too often trumps reason
2. The people in a kid's ear may have a different agenda

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I would like to see the Dayton Daily News reach out to Billy Donovan, Westbrook or other Thunder players. It might help sway an impressionable recruit... if not this class, maybe a transfer or future recruit.
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I would like to see the Dayton Daily News reach out to Billy Donovan, Westbrook or other Thunder players. It might help sway an impressionable recruit... if not this class, maybe a transfer or future recruit.
So you think the news media should produce content for the handful of 17 to 18 year old boys who Anthony Grant might like to have on his basketball team?
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So you think the news media should produce content for the handful of 17 to 18 year old boys who Anthony Grant might like to have on his basketball team?
NO. I think they are legitimate quotes people that would have insight into what AG has done and therefore relevant to the story. They are the people that have worked with him most recently.

Yes. I think it could be beneficial for a recruit to see those quotes.

My reasons for wanting them and the papers reason for doing it don't need to be the same. Doesn't seem hard to understand.
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NO. I think they are legitimate quotes people that would have insight into what AG has done and therefore relevant to the story. They are the people that have worked with him most recently.

Yes. I think it could be beneficial for a recruit to see those quotes.

My reasons for wanting them and the papers reason for doing it don't need to be the same. Doesn't seem hard to understand.
Donovan has gushed about Anthony Grant plenty. There are dozens of quotes about him out there. Westbrook may not even know who is head coach is, let alone an assistant. He just does his own thing, and gives the media next to nothing. Great player but not a great reputation, unlike Kevin Durant, who is a really good dude by all accounts.
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Donovan has gushed about Anthony Grant plenty. There are dozens of quotes about him out there. Westbrook may not even know who is head coach is, let alone an assistant. He just does his own thing, and gives the media next to nothing. Great player but not a great reputation, unlike Kevin Durant, who is a really good dude by all accounts.
Westbrook is potentially going to be the MVP. His current teammates are pushing for him to get it so apparently they are ok with him.

More importantly, the potential MVP may have a positive thing to say about our new HC. If he has an opinion, it is relevant to the overall story. Again, the players on the Thunder (including Westbrook) were the most recent players to have interacted with him. If Westbrook doesn't have anything to say, it would still be interesting to hear from the other players.

I understand that not everyone would care, including you. But it would be of interest to some people. But if it makes you happy, it would be interesting to see if Durant had an opinion as well.
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I have to ask this question: Why would a 17 year old be that biased against a new head coach that played for the very same university that the young recruit was going to play for just a few days ago? Wouldn't you, or at-least those around you, reasonably think that if I want to be a Dayton Flyer, then there is no reason why I shouldn't want to play for a former Dayton Flyer who has both big time head coaching and big time assistant coaching experience...including the NBA, and National Championship program?
For the most part, it is because a recruit is committing to a coach/system and not the school.
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Jason Williams could thow a no-look, behind-the-back, threw-the-legs bounce pass like nobody's business. Real globetrotter stuff. But John Crosby is already a walking turnover. Incorporating that White Chocolate stuff into his game is probably unwise.

But yeah here is some video of Jason coaching his son to a 104-4 victory but totally not running up the score. Not at all.

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I have to ask this question: Why would a 17 year old be that biased against a new head coach that played for the very same university that the young recruit was going to play for just a few days ago? Wouldn't you, or at-least those around you, reasonably think that if I want to be a Dayton Flyer, then there is no reason why I shouldn't want to play for a former Dayton Flyer who has both big time head coaching and big time assistant coaching experience...including the NBA, and National Championship program?

I cannot imagine being the parent, coach, or other mentor to one of the current UD recruits, and letting that young man believe anything other than what a great opportunity this is.
Great endorsement for the U. Bravo. But they committed to Archie not the school. If I'm wrong they stay. Right?
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It was Gibson.

Archie never met with Henton. Henton let it be known he was out and would not consider UD any longer. No reason to meet with him.
Maybe Henton had heard that Archie did not like meeting recruits at Dunkin donuts and had refused to meet any more recruits at the Dunkin Donuts and that is why he would not consider even meeting with Archie.
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Henton felt stood-up by Gregory's leaving. No more, no less.
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Back to the current recruits. My best guess is Ostrom goes to Indiana. No matter how much $ UD throws at him Indiana can throw more and it is a higher profile job which could lead to a better head coach job in the future. Its a no brainer for an ambitious assistant coach.

But given Archie does not try to poach any of the current UD recruits, it could be that since Ostrom knows AG he would put in a good word with the recruits that he is a quality pick and that they would do well to stay with UD as their choice.

I know there is talk about the current players and others putting in a good word for staying with UD but the biggest word to a recruit a word that would swamp all the other endorsements would be if it came from their lead recruiter.
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Henton felt stood-up by Gregory's leaving. No more, no less.
Henton's performance senior year and the summer before got him attention from the big boys and he thought he had outgrown UD. Gregory leaving gave him the out he needed to go elsewhere.
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Henton's performance senior year and the summer before got him attention from the big boys and he thought he had outgrown UD. Gregory leaving gave him the out he needed to go elsewhere.
Which made his last game at Providence more enjoyable.
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Henton's performance senior year and the summer before got him attention from the big boys and he thought he had outgrown UD. Gregory leaving gave him the out he needed to go elsewhere.
This I agree with. Or it certainly appeared that way by his immediate exit-stage-right. So it may've been more than less
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Henton's performance senior year and the summer before got him attention from the big boys and he thought he had outgrown UD. Gregory leaving gave him the out he needed to go elsewhere.
May I add that if losing Henton led to us recruiting Pierre, Henton did us a huge favor.
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May I add that if losing Henton led to us recruiting Pierre, Henton did us a huge favor.
I'd take Henton and his >2000 pts and >1000 rbs over Pierre's >1400 and >800 any day of the Royal week.
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I'd take Henton and his >2000 pts and >1000 rbs over Pierre's >1400 and >800 any day of the Royal week.

Not in the Archie offense. Pierre's versatility made the players around him look better. That did not show up in box scores.

Archie's offense did not leave room for big number scorers. That would disrupt team balance. The A10 has lots of teams that would have a scorer who would light up UD for 20-30 points a game and lose.
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Not in the Archie offense. Pierre's versatility made the players around him look better. That did not show up in box scores.

Archie's offense did not leave room for big number scorers. That would disrupt team balance. The A10 has lots of teams that would have a scorer who would light up UD for 20-30 points a game and lose.
Living in Providence and seeing Henton play A LOT I can say without a doubt he would have helped us. He was good, very unassuming on the court and was an efficient scorer. He rarely ever had to dominate a game to dominate a game. I also think he and Pierre could have easily both been on the same team as their games were very different. More likely we may not have gotten Sibert if Henton had stayed.

We did swap with PC that year though and got Alex...
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It was Gibson.

Archie never met with Henton. Henton let it be known he was out and would not consider UD any longer. No reason to meet with him.
I know Henton had a tremendous career at Providence, but oh-so ironic how his stint there ended with us beating them in the tournament.
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Henton led the Big East in scoring and was first team all Big-East. To say anything other than 'of course we would have loved to have him' is ridiculous. We proved to be fine anyway, of course, and we didnt need him...but it would have been nice.
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I'd take Henton and his >2000 pts and >1000 rbs over Pierre's >1400 and >800 any day of the Royal week.
Not a chance. As was pointed out those numbers would not have shown up as a Flyer. And most important, in 2014-2015, a year that I'll appreciate forever, AM will tell you that it all centered around DP. I don't think Hinton could've made up for that.
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Agreed Buckets never impressed me as a team player. He was horrible when we smoked them in the NCAA's.
Could you just picture him as a Junior on a team with Staten as a Senior? At least, a Staten with the mindset of the Freshman we saw in 2010-11. We could have used 2 basketballs, and there still would have been 3 guys on the court who never took a shot!
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Agreed Buckets never impressed me as a team player. He was horrible when we smoked them in the NCAA's.
I agree he had a tough game when we played them but I go to many PC games every year and he was not a ball hog. He was a very good team player and very efficient offensively. Whether his game translated to Archie's style or not I do not know but contrary to what you think he was a very good team player.
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May I add that if losing Henton led to us recruiting Pierre, Henton did us a huge favor.
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Popped out to a couple Indiana websites. They have 16 players on their roster for next year. All returning from last year. Plus it looks like 3 new recruits coming in. One of those is a 3-star guard ranked as 3-star by all the ranking sources. That's 19 players on next year's roster. Im not sure there is any openings for any of our recruits.
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I think there is a number of walkons in that count.
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Correct, that includes walkons. Additionally, two of their three recruits decommitted and they expect at least a couple of their players to declare for the draft. If Archie truly wants one of our recruits, there will be room.
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I realize there are walk-ones. The point was they graduated no one. Even their lone senior is coming back this season as a grad student to play his last year. You would assume they used all 13 scholarships last year or at least 12. What I don't know is the deadline for declaring for the draft? There has been no press on IUs website announcing anyone has declared - with or without an agent.

I had also not heard any of their recruits had asked for a release. All that said, I think they would have to clear out some players/scholarships to add any of our recruits.
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Question on the process - are we allowed to bring the kids back onto campus to meet with the new coach and staff (assuming any of that gets announced soon) after a coaching change, does it all happen in house, on the phone only?

Anyone know what is and what isn't allowed?

I assume the NCAA has some really stupid rules in play here as usual.
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Thumbs up They are all staying --- my prediction

The're all staying...how many freshman will start on a Top 35 Team or at least get to play really significant minutes against tough competition.

They're all bright kids who must realize they will own Dayton and their fans from DAY 1.

They are all announcing to the world that UD is the best and loyal to their word (great ethics). They will be praised for keeping his word.

Can you imagine the standing O that all of the Freshman will receive...should be thrilling for an 18 year old.

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I was in Indy Tues thru Thursday last week and got to read the Indy Star cover to cover just killing time. Lots of good "Archie" stuff in the Mon, Tues, and Wed paper... I think I remember an article that "they" were worried about Archie keeping their 3 committed recruits.....

If anyone really cares about IU and what Archie is facing.... here is the article on their recruits:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...uits/99664312/
And another one on their returnees:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...ller/99816352/

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The're all staying...how many freshman will start on a Top 35 Team or at least get to play really significant minutes against tough competition.

They're all bright kids who must realize they will own Dayton and their fans from DAY 1.

They are all announcing to the world that UD is the best and loyal to their word (great ethics). They will be praised for keeping his word.

Can you imagine the standing O that all of the Freshman will receive...should be thrilling for an 18 year old.

They will stay the course!!!
The fact that none have asked for their release a full week later is a good sign.
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I wonder if recruits and assistant coaches wait until after introductory press conference before announcing as a courtesy. My guess is next week will be full of action. I think we'll end up with mixed results. Keep a few recruits, maybe an assistant, and maybe a transfer. I am hopeful for the best and prepared for the worst.

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I wonder if recruits and assistant coaches wait until after introductory press conference before announcing as a courtesy. My guess is next week will be full of action. I think we'll end up with mixed results. Keep a few recruits, maybe an assistant, and maybe a transfer. I am hopeful for the best and prepared for the worst.

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If you look around, generally kids open up their recruiting within a few days so they can talk with other programs. If you look at Indiana, their recruits decommitted soon after Crean was released.
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I wonder if recruits and assistant coaches wait until after introductory press conference before announcing as a courtesy. My guess is next week will be full of action. I think we'll end up with mixed results. Keep a few recruits, maybe an assistant, and maybe a transfer. I am hopeful for the best and prepared for the worst.

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I was wondering the same thing. Courtesy between IU and UD to let us intro Grant. Time will tell on the assistant coaches. I'm a little more inclined to say we are looking good with the recruits. I hope so, but if not, there are a lot of quality players coming on the market via asking to transfer or for a release from their LOI.
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Question on the process - are we allowed to bring the kids back onto campus to meet with the new coach and staff (assuming any of that gets announced soon) after a coaching change, does it all happen in house, on the phone only?

Anyone know what is and what isn't allowed?

I assume the NCAA has some really stupid rules in play here as usual.
A player is only allowed one Official Visit per institution. They can take as many unofficial visits as they want. (see below - need to scroll up on page)

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/b...d=40816#result

My guess is most have already taken their official visit. They could come to UD, on their own dime, as part of an unofficial visit, though.

The nice part about hoops vs. football is there are not as many recruits. Much easier for AG and the staff to go out and meet with the recruits individually. Of course, there are rules about that, as well.

Most likely they talk to the recruits on the phone and go visit the recruits directly.

They just need to make sure they stay away from Dunkin' Donuts, though!

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A player is only allowed one Official Visit per institution. They can take as many unofficial visits as they want. (see below - need to scroll up on page)

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/b...d=40816#result

My guess is most have already taken their official visit. They could come to UD, on their own dime, as part of an unofficial visit, though.

The nice part about hoops vs. football is there are not as many recruits. Much easier for AG and the staff to go out and meet with the recruits individually. Of course, there are rules about that, as well.

Most likely they talk to the recruits on the phone and go visit the recruits directly.

They just need to make sure they stay away from Dunkin' Donuts, though!
Is that rule regarding pre NLI recruits? Can a signed recruit make unlimited visits?
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Is that rule regarding pre NLI recruits? Can a signed recruit make unlimited visits?
That is a good question. I am not 100% sure. I believe the rules still apply, though, until the recruit is enrolled at the school and begins in the Summer or Fall.

They still could go the unofficial visit route since there is no restriction on the number of times a recruit could visit under the unofficial visit rules. They would just have to pay their own way, though.
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That is a good question. I am not 100% sure. I believe the rules still apply, though, until the recruit is enrolled at the school and begins in the Summer or Fall.

They still could go the unofficial visit route since there is no restriction on the number of times a recruit could visit under the unofficial visit rules. They would just have to pay their own way, though.
What happens if I change my mind about attending the institution with which I signed?

And I want to attend another NLI institution instead:
- The NLI basic penalty is that you lose one year of competition in all sports and must serve one year in residence at your next NLI institution.

-- From the NLI website --

If any recruit signed their NLI, Dayton would have to grant a release for them to transfer and become immediately eligible. No way should Dayton let a recruit out of their NLI to sign with Indiana.
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What happens if I change my mind about attending the institution with which I signed?

And I want to attend another NLI institution instead:
- The NLI basic penalty is that you lose one year of competition in all sports and must serve one year in residence at your next NLI institution.

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If any recruit signed their NLI, Dayton would have to grant a release for them to transfer and become immediately eligible. No way should Dayton let a recruit out of their NLI to sign with Indiana.
If the Minnesota article was correct (it later was modified) that Wright was told that he had a place at IU if he wanted it, some different possibilities exist. If Archie was still under contract at Dayton, you have breach of contract and fiduciary duty issue. If Archie was under a MOU or contract at Indiana, you have a recruiting violation. There could be other possibilities and again this assumes the article was correct. It is unlikely IMHO but not implausible that Wright created the story that he had a spot at IU if he wanted it.

Also when Archie was on the radio interview and asked about Wright, he pushed Dayton too much. I was reminded of a Shakespeare quote, doth protest too much (when you protest too much, it is probably true). My PURE SPECULATION (and I cannot emphasize enough this is speculation with no factual basis or evidence) is that Archie heard of the article, now is trying to backtrack, and will not offer Wright as he does not want to start his tenure at IU with a recruiting violation investigation.

But I also think that Wright and the Czech recruit will not be at Dayton next year (again pure speculation with no evidence) Hoping for 3/5 and would be happy with 2/5 staying.

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But I also think that Wright and the Czech recruit will not be at Dayton next year (again pure speculation with no evidence) Hoping for 3/5 and would be happy with 2/5 staying.
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