Detwon Rogers transferring

lhsgolf19 · #1 03-24-2015, 02:13 PM

Not surprising in the least

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 1m1 minute ago

Dayton's Detwon Rogers is transferring, source told ESPN.

Sea Bass · #2 03-24-2015, 02:17 PM

I'm shocked.

We need the untold story.

Avid Flyer · #3 03-24-2015, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19

Not surprising in the least

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 1m1 minute ago

Dayton's Detwon Rogers is transferring, source told ESPN.

Where would he go? Who would want a player who just took up space even though te team sorely needed him. Almost feel he used Dayton for free medical help and was probably never really truthful about his knees, unless he re-injured them while at Dayton.

flybye · #4 03-24-2015, 02:22 PM

Quitter.... along with Alex and Khari...

lhsgolf19 · #5 03-24-2015, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by flybye

Quitter.... along with Alex and Khari...

Khari was not a quitter... transferring to be closer to home is completely different.

rollo · #6 03-24-2015, 02:30 PM

lhsgolf19 · #7 03-24-2015, 02:32 PM

So with Detwon and Bobby probably not getting a schollie next year... We have 2 schollies available for the upcoming year

flybye · #8 03-24-2015, 02:33 PM

Starting point guards on Elite 8 teams don't transfer after soph season. By the way when you leave your True team... you quit on them. His Mom Loved UD. So he starts... then we pay for two knee scopes and then he decides he is homesick... no sale.

Atlantic 10 · #9 03-24-2015, 02:33 PM

Let's say Headcase

flybye · #10 03-24-2015, 02:36 PM

so you know the story also...

UD_PAC_2006 · #11 03-24-2015, 02:40 PM

Why would he transfer? I'm totally at a loss right now.

He is in a position to get playing time with Sibert leaving. He could be 6th man over D. Davis.

shocka43 · #12 03-24-2015, 02:41 PM

Reward Bobby....

UDEE79 · #13 03-24-2015, 02:45 PM

I would like CSIinsider to give us some inside information. You don't have to throw Detwon under the bus just a little back story.

T-Bone 84 · #14 03-24-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19

Khari was not a quitter... transferring to be closer to home is completely different.

And, if I may add a supposition, Alex may have gotten sick of the antics of the Twin Terrors, and he didn't want those two around for his senior season, and since he couldn't control where they were going to school, he may have decided to control where he was going to school, so he could spend his last season of college ball away from Dumb & Dumber. Just a supposition, mind you, but not an unreasonable one.

Rogers' case, however...

priceg75 · #15 03-24-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by shocka43

Reward Bobby....

I really appreciate what Bobby brought to the team this year too... the effort aside from just being a warm body... but let's be honest if we want this team to become a perennial NCAA team, Archie can't afford to use his heart to award scholarships. He has to keep it open in case something crazy happens and the recruit we never thought we were getting falls in our lap.

If it's still open in January 2016, I'm all for Bobby getting another half-year. But Archie can't give it to him now... he just can't. I would be extraordinarily surprised if he did.

longtimefan67 · #16 03-24-2015, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by priceg75

I really appreciate what Bobby brought to the team this year too... the effort aside from just being a warm body... but let's be honest if we want this team to become a perennial NCAA team, Archie can't afford to use his heart to award scholarships. He has to keep it open in case something crazy happens and the recruit we never thought we were getting falls in our lap.

If it's still open in January 2016, I'm all for Bobby getting another half-year. But Archie can't give it to him now... he just can't. I would be extraordinarily surprised if he did.

First of all, he made valuable contributions in the season and the NCAA. Guy puts it all on the court, every time. I'm not suggesting giving Bobby a scholarship because it makes us all fuzzy inside - he EARNED it. Excluding KP, these other 3 clowns have done little (dumb and dumber) to nothing (DR) this year and all 3 got full rides. If there's anybody who EARNED a scholarship, it's Bobby Wehrli. Now there are 2 ships to give, 1 is easy UD - he played his a s s off this year. Make it so.

frisco flyer · #17 03-24-2015, 03:28 PM

I am willing to bet, and I am no gambler, that AM told the young man to find himself something else to do. From what little we know, he has not earned the right to wear the jersey and embody what it means to be a flyer. Archie took a chance on him, and it did not pan out. Time to move on.
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ud2 · #18 03-24-2015, 03:28 PM

FWIW, Gavs averaged 5 and 4 in 17 mpg at Towson State this year.

Flyer1995 · #19 03-24-2015, 03:31 PM

Thee were times where bobby looked out of sorts, but there were also many times where he gave us huge boosts with his rebounds and threes! I personally think he deserves a scholarship. I think he brought more to this program than former scholarship players that eventually transferred or didn't play much. Just my opinion. I also don't think that neither Khari nor Alex should be labeled as quitters. I am sure they have their reasons, the one player I would label a quitter is Staten but I don't even know everything about that situation either.

N2663R · #20 03-24-2015, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by priceg75

I really appreciate what Bobby brought to the team this year too... the effort aside from just being a warm body... but let's be honest if we want this team to become a perennial NCAA team, Archie can't afford to use his heart to award scholarships. He has to keep it open in case something crazy happens and the recruit we never thought we were getting falls in our lap.

If it's still open in January 2016, I'm all for Bobby getting another half-year. But Archie can't give it to him now... he just can't. I would be extraordinarily surprised if he did.

You are right on the money. There is "probably" no way BW sees a minute of court time next season.

CE80 · #21 03-24-2015, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by N2663R

You are right on the money. There is "probably" no way BW sees a minute of court time next season.

I bet he starts on Senior Day and stays in for at least a minute.

N2663R · #22 03-24-2015, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by CE80

I bet he starts on Senior Day and stays in for at least a minute.

Ok, you may have me on that one. jimmy the greek has the over/under at 0:45. (and he hits one 3).

ClaytonFlyerFan · #23 03-24-2015, 03:49 PM

When news of dumb and dumber first started leaking out, I originally heard three were involved. I often wondered if to some extent Rogers had got mixed up with the wrong team mates. Pure speculation on my part, and at this point it really does not matter. Just a very strange situation regardless.

m21eagle45 · #24 03-24-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by shocka43

Reward Bobby....

Originally Posted by longtimefan67

First of all, he made valuable contributions in the season and the NCAA. Guy puts it all on the court, every time. I'm not suggesting giving Bobby a scholarship because it makes us all fuzzy inside - he EARNED it. Excluding KP, these other 3 clowns have done little (dumb and dumber) to nothing (DR) this year and all 3 got full rides. If there's anybody who EARNED a scholarship, it's Bobby Wehrli. Now there are 2 ships to give, 1 is easy UD - he played his a s s off this year. Make it so.

Originally Posted by Flyer1995

Thee were times where bobby looked out of sorts, but there were also many times where he gave us huge boosts with his rebounds and threes! I personally think he deserves a scholarship. I think he brought more to this program than former scholarship players that eventually transferred or didn't play much. Just my opinion. I also don't think that neither Khari nor Alex should be labeled as quitters. I am sure they have their reasons, the one player I would label a quitter is Staten but I don't even know everything about that situation either.

I am a little undecided on the situation. If we are going to just bank the scholarship then I say we give it to BW. But if we have a legitimate player lined up then we should go that route. Bobby knows the role of a walk-on, and he rewarded with year with 10-15K in tuition that he and his parents did not have to pay.

rollo · #25 03-24-2015, 03:59 PM

My AD buddy just texted me saying that the physical size of next year's recruiting class was the determining factor for Rogers' transfer...and they're sticking with it.

UDBrian · #26 03-24-2015, 04:01 PM

Regarding Alex he was probably told that he would only get mop up minutes if he stayed.

I have to say that I could NEVER label Khari as a quiter. He played in a lot of pain for this team and without him we don't make an elite eight run. I figure that he was already home sick but then imagine going through knee operations and the recovery by yourself. If he wasn't close to his teammates and didn't have a girlfried here that would be a monumental struggle making someone miserable on a daily basis. I have no idea what Khari is doing regarding bball but he can tell people that he was part of an elite eight run, not many can do that.

San Diego Flyer · #27 03-24-2015, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by frisco flyer

I am willing to bet, and I am no gambler, that AM told the young man to find himself something else to do. From what little we know, he has not earned the right to wear the jersey and embody what it means to be a flyer. Archie took a chance on him, and it did not pan out. Time to move on.
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My money is on the above. Except I think Arch would tell him there is no way you will play a minute for the Flyers next year, nor will you be a part of the squad. Now, finish your education if you like.

Detwon's answer =

Flyer2 · #28 03-24-2015, 04:16 PM

Rogers is "Like a box of chocolates" we didn't know what we were getting. I'm glad he is leaving as he hasn't bought into the program and most importantly he doesn't give a **** about academics. If he stayed I don't think he would remain eligible. This last semester he did not play due to academics.

Give the scholarship to Bobby, because we would not have made the NCAA without him. He has played clutch minutes and his blocked shots are amazing as his volleyball skills are on display.

DGO67 · #29 03-24-2015, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by UDBrian

Regarding Alex he was probably told that he would only get mop up minutes if he stayed.

I have to say that I could NEVER label Khari as a quiter. He played in a lot of pain for this team and without him we don't make an elite eight run. I figure that he was already home sick but then imagine going through knee operations and the recovery by yourself. If he wasn't close to his teammates and didn't have a girlfried here that would be a monumental struggle making someone miserable on a daily basis. I have no idea what Khari is doing regarding bball but he can tell people that he was part of an elite eight run, not many can do that.

This "homesick" shtick is silly. Homesick is the ruse to get out and away from something one doesn't enjoy. Typically, a ten year old at summer camp that can't stand all the swimming and nature hikes and scary stories at night says he wants to go back home. The counselor calls the kids parents and says "Your son is homesick, come and get him."

jumpin' joe · #30 03-24-2015, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by flybye

Quitter.... along with Alex and Khari...

Oh my. Never gave a red pip in my life, but I'm sure tempted. By your standards, is Jordan Sibert a quitter too?

TA111 · #31 03-24-2015, 04:34 PM

In this day of instant info via the web and everyone with smart phones and facetime the homesick excuse is weak. My guess is that Price saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be second fiddle to scooch.

m21eagle45 · #32 03-24-2015, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by flybye

Quitter.... along with Alex and Khari...

Originally Posted by TA111

In this day of instant info via the web and everyone with smart phones and facetime the homesick excuse is weak. My guess is that Price saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be second fiddle to scooch.

As somebody who lived 14 hours away from my family, friends, and GF, facetime and the web is not the same. You move 14 hours away from your friends, family, wives, children for 4 years and say that facetime is enough. And do not say these guys get summers off, because they are expected to be at workouts and classes in the summer.

rollo · #33 03-24-2015, 04:46 PM

Gorilovic was run out of town because of his lazy practice habits...4 of 5 days he was worthless...nothing more, nothing less.
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flybye · #34 03-24-2015, 04:53 PM

Jordan and Khari are different. Khari a starting guard given a late scholarship by Dayton... Archie constantly praised him...started him... fixed his knees. he gave them no warning and left late without giving us chance to get a player and had to take a chance on Bass. Jordan. played very little was recruited over and Matta had no real plans for him and probably was happy to have his ship back... Archie was NOT HAPPY... left the team short. Young yes and missed home...ummm.

NJFlyr71 · #35 03-24-2015, 04:53 PM

Boy some of you on here!

So we are throwing people overboard, calling people quitters, and more. Yes folks it must be the off season! So soon?

The towels aren't even dry from the last shower the team took in Cbus and already we are shooting nasties after current players (BW), past players (Khari) and some who choose not to play (Rogers).

I feel a CHILL in the air, yet where I'm located it is pretty much spring time and getting warmer each day.

Some choose rain instead of the positive impact from this team only just having completing this special season.

ud2 · #36 03-24-2015, 05:00 PM

I don't think it is fair to call these guys quitters...if they transfer because the coach told them they'd get no playing time, then I don't think that is the same as quitting.

ruechalgrin · #37 03-24-2015, 05:00 PM

I wish Detwon well and too bad it did not work out. Pretty clear he was departing for months.

TA111 · #38 03-24-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by m21eagle45

As somebody who lived 14 hours away from my family, friends, and GF, facetime and the web is not the same. You move 14 hours away from your friends, family, wives, children for 4 years and say that facetime is enough. And do not say these guys get summers off, because they are expected to be at workouts and classes in the summer.

I went to UD in the 70's and was 7 hours from my hometown with no cell, computer etc.. I handled it just fine.

flybye · #39 03-24-2015, 05:15 PM

When the coach kinda pushes ya out..aka Jordan, your not a quitter. When you quit and the team needs ya..that's sounds like quitting.

Glen Clark · #40 03-24-2015, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by TA111

In this day of instant info via the web and everyone with smart phones and facetime the homesick excuse is weak. My guess is that Price saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be second fiddle to scooch.

No - he saw on the wall that his knees needed a year of rest.
And as for the 'quitter' comment - consider the source.

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Bucketnight · #41 03-24-2015, 05:33 PM

I'm confused. Are you a quitter if you quit on your own but not a quitter because someone told you to quit. Or are you a quitter because someone decided they don't like the reason you but not a quitter if they do like the reason you quit. Or...

Buster Goode · #42 03-24-2015, 05:40 PM

I flabbergasted that anyone is surprised or disappointed. This is good news. This gives us another option to sign someone who wants to play.

CE80 · #43 03-24-2015, 05:40 PM

Josh Parker?
Kevin Dillard?
Charles Cooke?

Is it okay when they transfer in but not out?

hoch21 · #44 03-24-2015, 05:45 PM

Who cares, grown men talking about quitting? Detwon doesn't want to play, it's a free world transfer. Same with Khari and the 400 other D1 transfers.
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Viperstick · #45 03-24-2015, 05:51 PM

Recruit the best talent available. If a ship remains, give it to Bobby.

I'm sure Bobby understands the situation, and as a True Teammate, likely would agree.

Atlantic 10 · #46 03-24-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Viperstick

Recruit the best talent available. If a ship remains, give it to Bobby.

I'm sure Bobby understands the situation, and as a True Teammate, likely would agree.

Won't happen to many players on ships next year

udscott · #47 03-24-2015, 06:02 PM

I hate when people have no clue what their talking about, too many scholarship's next year ? We have 11 out of 13 used with 2 open for next year
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DallasFlyer · #48 03-24-2015, 06:18 PM

I think there's a very good chance 13/13 end up being used, with one of them not being assigned to Wehrli.

lhsgolf19 · #49 03-24-2015, 06:22 PM

David Jablonski ‏@DavidPJablonski 11s12 seconds ago

This was reported earlier by ESPN's Jeff Goodman, but Archie Miller confirms Detwon Rogers is transferring.

bcross · #50 03-24-2015, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan67

First of all, he made valuable contributions in the season and the NCAA. Guy puts it all on the court, every time. I'm not suggesting giving Bobby a scholarship because it makes us all fuzzy inside - he EARNED it. Excluding KP, these other 3 clowns have done little (dumb and dumber) to nothing (DR) this year and all 3 got full rides. If there's anybody who EARNED a scholarship, it's Bobby Wehrli. Now there are 2 ships to give, 1 is easy UD - he played his a s s off this year. Make it so.

Earned a scholarship for two years because he contributed one year? Sounds more like you are being warm and fuzzy, because that's not how things work in life.

redbengal · #51 03-24-2015, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by UDEE79

I would like CSIinsider to give us some inside information. You don't have to throw Detwon under the bus just a little back story.

I think it's CSI Booster, right? The last comment I remember seeing from him about Detwon referenced something about him "deciding to be a brat" and I was intrigued by what that meant. Did it mean he pouted when his health wasn't where he wanted it to be last fall and subsequently let his schoolwork slide? Did it mean that he expected to be treated as a star/savior by the staff and was upset when he wasn't?

I was ready to give Rogers every last benefit of the doubt. But CSI's "brat" comment told me pretty much all I needed to know. Even though we don't know exactly what happened we also know that Detwon Rogers wasted a golden opportunity at THE University of Dayton.

Atlantic 10 · #52 03-24-2015, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by udscott

I hate when people have no clue what their talking about, too many scholarship's next year ? We have 11 out of 13 used with 2 open for next year
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Archie said 1 will be used this spring maybe 2, I don't know why some people want to give BW a ship. His playing time will be non existent next year

Smitty10 · #53 03-24-2015, 07:13 PM

A couple things: Khari Price probably decided he couldn't play this season due to either resting his knees or having surgery. Knowing he was a starter on an elite eight team and that he'd be relegated to back up in 2 years when he came back, he did the Flyers a favor by letting them know early that he was transferring. We have plenty of guards to play next season and if he wasn't going to play this season, what's the harm?

What about 2016-2017 and beyond. If we give all our scholarships out this season what will have the next? I would definitely give one to Wehrli knowing it opens up again the very next season. 11 scholarship players plus Wehrlis', is plenty and you don't have to worry about revoking one the following year or two, or passing on a great recruit. If 6 scholarship players plus Wehrli got us where it did this season, I'd be very happy to have 11 plus Wehrli next season. Then you have 4 open the following year to use on Freshman or transfers if need be. You have to keep your classes balanced.

DallasFlyer · #54 03-24-2015, 07:22 PM

I think they will seek to balance the classes a bit, giving them to upperclassman players, not those of the 4 year variety.

Smitty10 · #55 03-24-2015, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer

I think they will seek to balance the classes a bit, giving them to upperclassman players, not those of the 4 year variety.

Yes, but what about the class of 2020? You would certainly want 2 or 3 players in that class and the best way to have that is to have them as Freshman.

T-Bone 84 · #56 03-24-2015, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan

When news of dumb and dumber first started leaking out, I originally heard three were involved. I often wondered if to some extent Rogers had got mixed up with the wrong team mates. Pure speculation on my part, and at this point it really does not matter. Just a very strange situation regardless.

Now that you mention it, my inside source (who reported the break-ins to me on Sunday afternoon, less than a day after they happened) told me it was 3 players, and as the situation unfolded, I just thought my source was mistaken, and that the 3rd person was Steve, who was allegedly who D&D'er were looking for in the course of their raising havoc in The 'Crest. Now that you mention it, given how things played-out, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Rogers was the 3rd one that our sources mentioned, but that he got the he!! out of Dodge before things got too out of hand.

And given that Rollo thanked you for your post, and that he usually has pretty good inside dirt, I'm all the more convinced that Rogers may have been the 3rd amigo in that caper.

DallasFlyer · #57 03-24-2015, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Smitty10

Yes, but what about the class of 2020? You would certainly want 2 or 3 players in that class and the best way to have that is to have them as Freshman.

With the way kids transfer in and out these days, kinda hard to project what you'll have no matter how much you plan.

Smitty10 · #58 03-24-2015, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer

With the way kids transfer in and out these days, kinda hard to project what you'll have no matter how much you plan.

agree, but the safest way to handle that is to try and keep each class balanced through recruitment of Freshman, then when transfers happen, replace with tranfers. Don't ever lock yourself out of a full recruitment class by trying to get a great transfer a year earlier when you don't need one. 11 players + Wehrli, that's all we need for next season unless someone transfers or doesn't keep their commitment.

Of course if a coach knows he's not going to be around long enough to reap the benefits, then he might not care. But I don't think AM would have that kind attitude.

Atlantic 10 · #59 03-24-2015, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Smitty10

A couple things: Khari Price probably decided he couldn't play this season due to either resting his knees or having surgery. Knowing he was a starter on an elite eight team and that he'd be relegated to back up in 2 years when he came back, he did the Flyers a favor by letting them know early that he was transferring. We have plenty of guards to play next season and if he wasn't going to play this season, what's the harm?

What about 2016-2017 and beyond. If we give all our scholarships out this season what will have the next? I would definitely give one to Wehrli knowing it opens up again the very next season. 11 scholarship players plus Wehrlis', is plenty and you don't have to worry about revoking one the following year or two, or passing on a great recruit. If 6 scholarship players plus Wehrli got us where it did this season, I'd be very happy to have 11 plus Wehrli next season. Then you have 4 open the following year to use on Freshman or transfers if need be. You have to keep your classes balanced.

Smitty I was at the Archie Monday radio Show, he said 1 maybe 2 will be used this Spring. He also said BW will not be on a ship next year

longtimefan67 · #60 03-24-2015, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by bcross

Earned a scholarship for two years because he contributed one year? Sounds more like you are being warm and fuzzy, because that's not how things work in life.

This is the way it works in life youngster...I'm 54, been around the block a few times. What did UD give Rogers? Answer: a 1 year, renewable scholarship; you may as well say contract because that's what it is. You do what's expected of you, go to class, go to practice, keep your nose clean, be a team player. He produced "nothing"...

What did Bobby Wehrli do? Played significant minutes (made key plays throughout the year, including the NCAA tourney), went to class, went to practice, kept his nose clean, was a team player. In other words, he produced with only the benefit of 1/2 year scholarship. Where do you get: "Earned a scholarship for two years because he contributed one year?" Do you read? He was awarded 1/2 year scholarship. Will he likely be back next year doing all the things asked of him above? Did he prove he could play Division 1 basketball? Based on the 3 idiots that produced little to nothing this year, I don't think I'm being "warm and fuzzy" by awarding a scholarship that someone else took for granted and ****ed away. See, if they award him a scholarship next year, they'd get 2 years of performance at the cost of 1 1/2 scholarship, do you understand the numbers now?

Smitty10 · #61 03-24-2015, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10

Smitty I was at the Archie Monday radio Show, he said 1 maybe 2 will be used this Spring. He also said BW will not be on a ship next year

Oh, I heard the same, I just question what the purpose is? Seems to me we have an abundance of players for next year and what could he possibly be looking for?

And personally, having your 7th man become your 12th man and not tie up a scholarship for more than one year seems like a better situation than taking a chance on getting stuck with another Detwon Rogers, revoking someone's scholarship the next year or bypassing a great recruit because they're all used up.

We'll find out what AM does, and then maybe I'll have the answer, right now I don't understand it.

Smitty10 · #62 03-24-2015, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan67

This is the way it works in life youngster...I'm 54, been around the block a few times. What did UD give Rogers? Answer: a 1 year, renewable scholarship; you may as well say contract because that's what it is. You do what's expected of you, go to class, go to practice, keep your nose clean, be a team player. He produced "nothing"...

What did Bobby Wehrli do? Played significant minutes (made key plays throughout the year, including the NCAA tourney), went to class, went to practice, kept his nose clean, was a team player. In other words, he produced with only the benefit of 1/2 year scholarship. Where do you get: "Earned a scholarship for two years because he contributed one year?" Do you read? He was awarded 1/2 year scholarship. Will he likely be back next year doing all the things asked of him above? Did he prove he could play Division 1 basketball? Based on the 3 idiots that produced little to nothing this year, I don't think I'm being "warm and fuzzy" by awarding a scholarship that someone else took for granted and ****ed away. See, if they award him a scholarship next year, they'd get 2 years of performance at the cost of 1 1/2 scholarship, do you understand the numbers now?

Very good response. Might I add that they award 4 year scholarships without any guarantee that the player will produce 4 years? And again, why tie up 2 or 3 years on the extra scholarship when you already have 11 scholarship players next season and you can make your 7th man this year your 12th man next year and then the scholarship with be open again.

anthonycharles · #63 03-24-2015, 08:35 PM

Is this even news? I figured he wasn't with the program any longer and was already counting his scholly as open for next year.

maddog07 · #64 03-24-2015, 08:49 PM

As to Detwon- good riddance. Don't care why, but if he couldn't cut it acahemically, then that's on him.

Anyone else hate the wild speculation on Rogers and others? Seems particularly outrageous that with no basis- he might have been an accomplice of the Northlands gang, really??

And Price and Alex, quitters? hard to say ( without speculation- maybe they left to work for the CIA) whether they were encouraged to leave or went of their own accord. Either way they missed a hell of a ride, an opportunity to further their education at a solid institution- their loss- oh well.

shocka43 · #65 03-24-2015, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by priceg75

I really appreciate what Bobby brought to the team this year too... the effort aside from just being a warm body... but let's be honest if we want this team to become a perennial NCAA team, Archie can't afford to use his heart to award scholarships. He has to keep it open in case something crazy happens and the recruit we never thought we were getting falls in our lap.

I agree, but don't let it sit. If he has another player that is a high level recruit that will give this team 4 years, then by all means, the scholarship needs to be awarded to the incoming freshman or transfer. But...I would hope that with the efforts that BW gave this team this year, and by all means he did end up giving many productive minutes.

I am not basing this on heart, but rather availability. Who knows what he does in the off season, and what if they use him outside of the post position to assist in the rotation. The guy has a nice shot. His confidence increased as his playing time went up.

I guess the question to ask...is when does AM have to make the decision on scholarships awarded...prior to the first week of classes? By all means, anyone that would be immediately eligible would be known at that point, and at that point Bobby's scholarship hopes could still continue.

SeasonTicketFan · #66 03-24-2015, 09:46 PM

From what I understand, the issues with Rogers were not academic.

Does it really matter? Players don't work out for a lot of reasons. Roger's walked onto campus with some serious knee problems. He has a history of injury problems. He had a unique procedure to treat his knees. D1 College basketball is challenging even when you are completely healthy.

Time to move on. Be gracious. Wish him well and focus on those who are on the team.

jumpin' joe · #67 03-24-2015, 09:50 PM

"If he doesn't want to be here, we don't want him here" ~ Jimmie Binnie

springborofan · #68 03-24-2015, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by shocka43

I agree, but don't let it sit. If he has another player that is a high level recruit that will give this team 4 years, then by all means, the scholarship needs to be awarded to the incoming freshman or transfer. But...I would hope that with the efforts that BW gave this team this year, and by all means he did end up giving many productive minutes.

I am not basing this on heart, but rather availability. Who knows what he does in the off season, and what if they use him outside of the post position to assist in the rotation. The guy has a nice shot. His confidence increased as his playing time went up.

I guess the question to ask...is when does AM have to make the decision on scholarships awarded...prior to the first week of classes? By all means, anyone that would be immediately eligible would be known at that point, and at that point Bobby's scholarship hopes could still continue.

Spot on Shocka. At this point there is no guarantee for BW. My hunch is that AM will look for a 5th yr senior big man. If he finds the right one, BW goes back to walk on status. If not BW gets the ship. Either way, it balances out the classes where there are 2 ships available for next year. The other potential is AM holds the scholly until after the mid yr. transfer "season". If none fit, the BW gets another half yr.

bcross · #69 03-24-2015, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan67

This is the way it works in life youngster...I'm 54, been around the block a few times. What did UD give Rogers? Answer: a 1 year, renewable scholarship; you may as well say contract because that's what it is. You do what's expected of you, go to class, go to practice, keep your nose clean, be a team player. He produced "nothing"...

What did Bobby Wehrli do? Played significant minutes (made key plays throughout the year, including the NCAA tourney), went to class, went to practice, kept his nose clean, was a team player. In other words, he produced with only the benefit of 1/2 year scholarship. Where do you get: "Earned a scholarship for two years because he contributed one year?" Do you read? He was awarded 1/2 year scholarship. Will he likely be back next year doing all the things asked of him above? Did he prove he could play Division 1 basketball? Based on the 3 idiots that produced little to nothing this year, I don't think I'm being "warm and fuzzy" by awarding a scholarship that someone else took for granted and ****ed away. See, if they award him a scholarship next year, they'd get 2 years of performance at the cost of 1 1/2 scholarship, do you understand the numbers now?

With the guys coming in, Wherli isn't going to be contributing, which is why Archie isn't renewing the scholarship. You're not getting an extra year of performance by awarding him a scholarship. Archie is looking to find someone that will contribute. If Wherli wants to move on and find a place that will give him a scholarship, he's free to do that. That's life.

There was an NCAA proposal to allow schools to award scholarships retroactive, which would allow UD to give Wherli a scholarship for the first semester as well. Even if it was a 1/2 year scholarship, there's really no issue because afterall, he didn't become a contributor until after the first semester. I understand the numbers just fine.

Also, to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with giving Wherli a scholarship if Archie doesn't fill the remaining two scholarships and we still have one open.

CSIbooster · #70 03-24-2015, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84

Now that you mention it, my inside source (who reported the break-ins to me on Sunday afternoon, less than a day after they happened) told me it was 3 players, and as the situation unfolded, I just thought my source was mistaken, and that the 3rd person was Steve, who was allegedly who D&D'er were looking for in the course of their raising havoc in The 'Crest. Now that you mention it, given how things played-out, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Rogers was the 3rd one that our sources mentioned, but that he got the he!! out of Dodge before things got too out of hand.

And given that Rollo thanked you for your post, and that he usually has pretty good inside dirt, I'm all the more convinced that Rogers may have been the 3rd amigo in that caper.

My wife told me to shut up and mind my own business, but this dirt bag s--- is just too much. First, Rogers is in school at this time and attending class, getting good grades as I understand it. Second he hasn't been arrested and wouldn't be hard for the police to find since he lives in the dorm. He had nothing to do with the D & D situation. Period.
Unfortunately, a guy from Detwon's past, the despicable, Rasputin-like Lorenzo Odom, got in Detwon's ear and totally undermined the coaches and staff, convincing him he can get Detwon a better opportunity elsewhere. And Detwon bought into his BS. So hopefully Odom can line him up with a nice little NAIA program where he can play next year. Whoopee. Nice upgrade. Anyway, go Flyers! I have never had more fun following a college team (even when you beat the Broncos!). UD is a class act. Can't wait to watch the magic next year.

UDEE79 · #71 03-24-2015, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by CSIbooster

My wife told me to shut up and mind my own business, but this dirt bag s--- is just too much. First, Rogers is in school at this time and attending class, getting good grades as I understand it. Second he hasn't been arrested and wouldn't be hard for the police to find since he lives in the dorm. He had nothing to do with the D & D situation. Period.
Unfortunately, a guy from Detwon's past, the despicable, Rasputin-like Lorenzo Odom, got in Detwon's ear and totally undermined the coaches and staff, convincing him he can get Detwon a better opportunity elsewhere. And Detwon bought into his BS. So hopefully Odom can line him up with a nice little NAIA program where he can play next year. Whoopee. Nice upgrade. Anyway, go Flyers! I have never had more fun following a college team (even when you beat the Broncos!). UD is a class act. Can't wait to watch the magic next year.

CSIBooster, If his grades were OK why didn't he play? Was he hurt all season? And what possible deal does this Odom guy think he can get him? He only had one year of eligibility left right?

Flyer2 · #72 03-25-2015, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by CSIbooster

My wife told me to shut up and mind my own business, but this dirt bag s--- is just too much. First, Rogers is in school at this time and attending class, getting good grades as I understand it. .

Should listen to your wife

For a fact I know that Rogers was not a wonderful student. In some classes he was watched by other students to make sure he was awake. Wish he had come in with better health and attitude.

ruechalgrin · #73 03-25-2015, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Flyer2

Should listen to your wife For a fact I know that Rogers was not a wonderful student. In some classes he was watched by other students to make sure he was awake. Wish he had come in with better health and attitude.

Let's move on Flyer Faithful from criticizing Rodgers. Thanks for your information CSI! Good luck Detwon.

Swampy Meadows · #74 03-25-2015, 06:56 AM

Thanks for the insight, CSI Booster. That helps explain a situation that didn't seem to make any sense.

Good luck to Detwon and to you.

FlyerYouBetcha · #75 03-25-2015, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by CSIbooster

My wife told me to shut up and mind my own business, but this dirt bag s--- is just too much. First, Rogers is in school at this time and attending class, getting good grades as I understand it. Second he hasn't been arrested and wouldn't be hard for the police to find since he lives in the dorm. He had nothing to do with the D & D situation. Period.
Unfortunately, a guy from Detwon's past, the despicable, Rasputin-like Lorenzo Odom, got in Detwon's ear and totally undermined the coaches and staff, convincing him he can get Detwon a better opportunity elsewhere. And Detwon bought into his BS. So hopefully Odom can line him up with a nice little NAIA program where he can play next year. Whoopee. Nice upgrade. Anyway, go Flyers! I have never had more fun following a college team (even when you beat the Broncos!). UD is a class act. Can't wait to watch the magic next year.

That Rasputin-like coach Lorenzo Odom is mentioned in this article about Detwon from last year when he signed with the Flyers.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...9628?p=1&tc=pg

FLYER5 · #76 03-25-2015, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by hoch21

Who cares, grown men talking about quitting? Detwon doesn't want to play, it's a free world transfer. Same with Khari and the 400 other D1 transfers.
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I beg to differ. Rollo is not a grown man. He acts just like his Lohan 'oh my God' gif. Check it out. Visualize Rollo as a 14 year old girl. Dead ringer!

rollo · #77 03-25-2015, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by FLYER5

I beg to differ. Rollo is not a grown man. He acts just like his Lohan 'oh my God' gif. Check it out. Visualize Rollo as a 14 year old girl. Dead ringer!

UDTradition · #78 03-25-2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by flybye

Quitter.... along with Alex and Khari...

I am aghast and angry !!!!!

OSU fans have just posted that Jordan Sibert is a quitter!!!! The say that he left OSU after 2 deep runs in the tournament. They say that he is an ingrate and will never be allowed on the Columbus campus again. Wow !!!!!

San Diego Flyer · #79 03-25-2015, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by CSIbooster

My wife told me to shut up and mind my own business, but this dirt bag s--- is just too much. First, Rogers is in school at this time and attending class, getting good grades as I understand it. Second he hasn't been arrested and wouldn't be hard for the police to find since he lives in the dorm. He had nothing to do with the D & D situation. Period.
Unfortunately, a guy from Detwon's past, the despicable, Rasputin-like Lorenzo Odom, got in Detwon's ear and totally undermined the coaches and staff, convincing him he can get Detwon a better opportunity elsewhere. And Detwon bought into his BS. So hopefully Odom can line him up with a nice little NAIA program where he can play next year. Whoopee. Nice upgrade. Anyway, go Flyers! I have never had more fun following a college team (even when you beat the Broncos!). UD is a class act. Can't wait to watch the magic next year.

For months we have been asking "why". It is more than a little satisfying to know some inside rationale about his decisions. Thank you ever so much. That will be an interesting progression to watch with Mr Odom.

San Diego Flyer · #80 03-25-2015, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by UDTradition

I am aghast and angry !!!!!

OSU fans have just posted that Jordan Sibert is a quitter!!!! The say that he left OSU after 2 deep runs in the tournament. They say that he is an ingrate and will never be allowed on the Columbus campus again. Wow !!!!!

Beware of who "they" really are. Generally "they" are a very vocal and jaundiced minority.

I have friends who are tOSU grads and boosters just as many on this board have, and their view of Sibert is much more grounded. "They" feel Jordan would not have been given the benefit of any doubt from Matta, and would never have been given the minutes he needed to develop like he did at Dayton.
The talent was there, but the opportunity was not.

This movie plays out all the time with transfers across the nation. Look at our Vee Sanford.

shocka43 · #81 03-25-2015, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer

"They" feel Jordan would not have been given the benefit of any doubt from Matta, and would never have been given the minutes he needed to develop like he did at Dayton.
The talent was there, but the opportunity was not.

Glad he had the opportunity here. Great player and a good kid.

Sea Bass · #82 03-25-2015, 10:12 AM

Hope things turn out for Rogers.

He missed a once in a career chance to be a part of a special season.

longtimefan · #83 03-25-2015, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by UDTradition

I am aghast and angry !!!!!

OSU fans have just posted that Jordan Sibert is a quitter!!!! The say that he left OSU after 2 deep runs in the tournament. They say that he is an ingrate and will never be allowed on the Columbus campus again. Wow !!!!!

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer

Beware of who "they" really are. Generally "they" are a very vocal and jaundiced minority.

I have friends who are tOSU grads and boosters just as many on this board have, and their view of Sibert is much more grounded. "They" feel Jordan would not have been given the benefit of any doubt from Matta, and would never have been given the minutes he needed to develop like he did at Dayton.
The talent was there, but the opportunity was not.

This movie plays out all the time with transfers across the nation. Look at our Vee Sanford.

I may be wrong, but I think Tradition's post was sarcasm - in response to people saying Price and Gav were quitters.

San Diego Flyer · #84 03-25-2015, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by longtimefan

I may be wrong, but I think Tradition's post was sarcasm - in response to people saying Price and Gav were quitters.

I still don't read it that way, but let's pretend like there is a chance you might be wrong and I won't be inclined to change my post.

Back to the topic, what do you think of Detwon transferring?

PS- Are you back from winter vacation? Missed you a lot.

Gazoo · #85 03-25-2015, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by rollo

Gorilovic was run out of town because of his lazy practice habits...4 of 5 days he was worthless...nothing more, nothing less.
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Dang French. Was he on strike 4 out of 5 days?

jack72 · #86 03-25-2015, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gazoo

Dang French. Was he on strike 4 out of 5 days?

And of course the other obvious joke, Gavs did not quit, he surrendered.

224 · #87 03-27-2015, 12:12 PM

From what I was recently told by someone very close to program, Dewton is good. Very good. Like potential NBA good. Knees and academics are real issues, and his AAU coach, who is essentially his father, wanted him out of UD. He apparently thinks there are some greener pastures for him out there.

Also, apparently Rogers and Cooke were the 2 best players at practice all year. Cooke is the real deal, and as it was explained to me, he may exceed the production we got from Sinert and be the best player on the team next year.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I trust my boy.

Iguomaniac · #88 03-27-2015, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by 224

From what I was recently told by someone very close to program, Dewton is good. Very good. Like potential NBA good. Knees and academics are real issues, and his AAU coach, who is essentially his father, wanted him out of UD. He apparently thinks there are some greener pastures for him out there.

If only he had some sort of opportunity to show his skills in front of NBA scouts. Maybe he could find a team that is short on players and is facing top level competition in front of a national TV audience...

DallasFlyer · #89 03-27-2015, 12:46 PM

NOT NEW: Best player on UD = the guy who can't play
NEW: Best path to the NBA = finding an excuse to not play basketball

rollo · #90 03-27-2015, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by 224

Dewton is good. Very good. Like potential NBA good.

Seems like if y'all hang 'round here long 'nuf, tis only a matta o' time befo' every UD playah is 'NBA good', eh Vern?

jack72 · #91 03-27-2015, 01:53 PM

Rogers and Cooke may have been the best at practice amongst a lot of guys who did not practice all the time. Also how hard could the 7 practice after playing so many game minutes?

Browns · #92 03-27-2015, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer

NOT NEW: Best player on UD = the guy who can't play
NEW: Best path to the NBA = finding an excuse to not play basketball

If you're a transfer sitting out for UD and are not the "best" player on the team according to UDPRIDE I would start to get worried.

Sea Bass · #93 03-27-2015, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Iguomaniac

If only he had some sort of opportunity to show his skills in front of NBA scouts. Maybe he could find a team that is short on players and is facing top level competition in front of a national TV audience...

that is hard to find

jack72 · #94 03-27-2015, 02:26 PM

Rogers is probably putting his name in for the NBA draft this year.

NJFlyr71 · #95 03-27-2015, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by 224

From what I was recently told by someone very close to program, Dewton is good. Very good. Like potential NBA good. Knees and academics are real issues, and his AAU coach, who is essentially his father, wanted him out of UD. He apparently thinks there are some greener pastures for him out there.

No academic success, his knees are an issue. His coach THINKS there are greener pastures out there? WOW! What "hang me downs" on the coach!

Well I hope so, but if his yesterday's weren't too good and his today hasn't been great, looks like his tomorrow's ain't lookin too good either.

With all that though, I hope he does better wherever that is.

Originally Posted by 224

Also, apparently Rogers and Cooke were the 2 best players at practice all year. Cooke is the real deal, and as it was explained to me, he may exceed the production we got from Sinert and be the best player on the team next year.

I believe Cooke already played in the Red & Blue game last year so I can't say 'he is another player who only can play in the R&B game that was the best player on the floor' .

But so far that may be the only thing we can say until the NEXT R&B game!

Originally Posted by 224

Don't shoot the messenger, but I trust my boy.

In some places shootin is illegal but HANGIN ..... now that's another story altogether isn't it?

NCkevi · #96 08-16-2015, 02:42 PM

Now at D2 Northwest Nazarene
http://www.nnusports.com/news/2015/8...814153026.aspx

BRob2Perryman3 · #97 08-16-2015, 04:31 PM

So in short, When will see Detwon Rogers in uniform? Team could really use him.

If you understand this, you are my friend.

Sea Bass · #98 08-16-2015, 06:07 PM

I guess his friends back in Idaho will get to go watch him "play".

jack72 · #99 08-16-2015, 07:40 PM

I thought he was declaring for the NBA draft.

Bucketnight · #**100** 08-16-2015, 07:48 PM

I had forgotten all about him. While he was just another obstacle last season's team overcame, it sounded like he may have surrounded himself with people that weren't doing him any favors. Regardless, if he made bad decisions, that is ultimately on him.

Hopefully he gets his head on straight and surrounds himself with good people in the future. The world has enough knuckleheads.