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View Poll Results: Will he or won't he get drafted?
Yes, he has the talent and upside to offset the risk of wasting a pick 32 30.77%
No, because there are 60+ better players 34 32.69%
Yes, but only because of his name 29 27.88%
No, because his attitude and maturity are lacking 9 8.65%
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Will Kostas Antentumpkdusypemkfhuyupo get drafted?

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I voted #1, but only because I could not vote #1/3. If Lew Alcindor had a younger 6"11" brother with good promise, but underdeveloped, someone would have taken chance on him.
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29 say 'yes'
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Voting is open until Draft Day...June 21st.
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I voted #1, but only because I could not vote #1/3. If Lew Alcindor had a younger 6"11" brother with good promise, but underdeveloped, someone would have taken chance on him.
You’re right- and that someone likely would have been John Wooden. And he would have gone on to greatness. Had wooden coached Kostas, he would never seen another minute after his first technical for trash talking.
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Good poll. I believe 3 and 4 are incorrect answers.


If he does not get drafted it will be because there are 60+ better players. In a world where Johnny Manziel gets drafted, attitude and immaturity are not keeping someone from getting drafted. Legal troubles..maybe, but not attitude and immaturity.


If he gets drafted it will not be "solely" because his last name. If he was under 6' tall and slow it wouldn't matter what his last name was. If he gets drafted it will be because of his "talent and upside"...a big part of that upside IS his last name, but the talent part is needed to at least get in the discussion. Nobody gets drafted "solely" on last name, but it is a factor.


I voted for #2, but am hoping he gets drafted. Heck, I root for Andre Iguodala and rooted Antonio Daniels just because their brother went to UD. I will certainly root for a former UD player even if they didn't have a great career here.
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SF99, when I first typed the Poll, I only included 2 options 'Yes' and 'No' and just before I hit the 'post poll' button, I remembered how finicky, moody, entitled, curious and perfect my fans, followers, minions and wannabees can be, so I decided to break down the Yes/No options to include some basic reasoning. I darn near made 6 options of 3 Yes and 3 No, but that would have watered down the reasoning and I made the Royal decision to keep it at 4. Is it perfect? No. But I am, so I hit the 'post' button.

I have mixed feelings about Kostas getting drafted. The Flyer in me hopes he does and it helps our image/recruiting. The coach/competitor in me hopes he doesn't because it sends the message that you can have a crappy attitude, not work hard, ignore coaching and you can still reach great heights.

Had he stayed at UD for 2018-19 and then taken a shot at the NBA, he'd have 100% of my support. But I just don't like the (lack of) effort he gave UD in the short time he was here...academically and athletically.

Ultimately, I hope he makes an NBA roster at some point. I don't think he's a puck-*ss loser like #35 and the twin terrors, so I don't harbor any anger toward him. Just disappointment that he didn't give us all he had knowing both parties would have benefitted greatly from a little more focus.

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I agree completely Rollo. He has left us with the unsettling feeling of "what could have been". If he had worked hard, fully bought in to the program and coaches, and stayed 1 more year...I believe he would have been a success and one of the all-time fan favorites.
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I agree completely Rollo. He has left us with the unsettling feeling of "what could have been". If he had worked hard, fully bought in to the program and coaches, and stayed 1 more year...I believe he would have been a success and one of the all-time fan favorites.
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You know what initials are used to brand the members - K R.

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For one reason or another, 37 fans think he will be drafted. Which basically means they give him a shot.

As far as number 2, never in the history of the draft have the best 60 players been selected in the first 60 picks.
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Thanks Rollo. This is a "major award". I am almost as excited as the dad in Christmas Story was when he won the leg lamp.
You should be honored...and welcome to the 1%! I'll teach you the secret handshake later. It goes something like this...

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This analysis has him slotted at #31
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This analysis has him slotted at #31
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ft-projections
From the link:

"Kostas is an efficient scorer and elite shot-blocker; perhaps he'll also end up a late bloomer like his older brother, Giannis."

"late bloomer"? Giannis? He lots of things but one he's not is a 'late bloomer'! Talk about Fake News...

At 19 he averaged 6.8 pts and 4.4 rbs in the NBA!
At 19, Kostas was a redshirt at UD.

At 20, Giannis averaged 12.7 pts/6.7 rbs...
At 20, Kostas averaged 5.2 pts/2.9 rbs for UD

At 21, Giannis averaged 16.9 pts/7.7 rbs...
At 21, Kostas is TBD.

At 23, the royal late bloomer - Giannis - is arguably a Top 5 NBA talent. What G-League team will employ Kostas when he's 23 and on the verge of budding (which for the uninitiated is what happens before blooming)?


How on rollo's green earth can Giannis be considered a late bloomer?

Dennis Rodman was a late bloomer.
JJ Reddick is a late bloomer...
Kyle Korver is a late bloomer...

Kostas might become a late bloomer, and if he does it 100% won't be 'like his older brother'...

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This analysis has him slotted at #31
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ft-projections
They are giving him a 76% chance of having a role in the NBA (All-Star, Starter, Role Player).

I think I've been one of the more "pro-Kostas" folks here the last few months...and 76% seems waaaaaaaaay too high. I would have put it at 30% - 40% tops. Still worth a late round pick.

I'm not even sure 1st round picks have a 76% success rate...
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From the link:

"Kostas is an efficient scorer and elite shot-blocker;
I'm having trouble just wrapping my head around this!

Did he block shots? Yup. Elite? Unless they changed the definition...uh, not yet. He had more turnovers than blocks!

Scorer? Hmmm...5.3ppg. Perhaps since he avg'd just 15 mins/game.

And let's not forget those 3 rebs/game.
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Yes = 46
No = 38

6 more days of voting...
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Yes = 50
No = 39.

The Draft is Thursday...
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Kostas' chances in the draft have never been about stats. It's about all the peripheral things that would influence a GM to take a "flyer" based on size, heritage, age and potential.

You know how I despise the word "lock", but I give Kostas a 50/50 chance this week.
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I think his chances are better than 50/50. He has really high upside. Most of the players who get drafted in the second round will either not play in the NBA or play at a replacement-level. Kostas has a chance to be a star... maybe unlikely and a long way to go. But why draft someone else who won't be better than the best G-League player when you could go for someone who has a chance to make an impact? Some team will think that way. #31 seems high, though. My guess is #45-50.
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Unfortunately, I give KA about a 1% chance of getting drafted. I'm sorry, I just do not see this happening at all. There are so many great players that he is competing against, the competition is fierce. He needs a lot more seasoning.

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Unfortunately, I give KA about a 1% chance of getting drafted. I'm sorry, I just do not see this happening at all. There are so many great players that he is competing against, the competition is fierce. He needs a lot more seasoning.
I know the NBA seems to draft players based on "potential", but when I see what Chris Wright did at UD, factor in CW's shortcomings vs what he brought game in and game out, shear athleticism, etc...then compare those accomplishments to what KA "did" at UD....based on what they both displayed... No way in h3ll does KA get a 2nd round draft pick.

But he does have that long last name and I suppose that is worth something.
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An article in today’s DDN (from the wire; not Jablonski or Archdeacon) about KA and his draft prospects. Generally pretty well-balanced, but I threw-up in my mouth a little when I saw a quote from KA saying NBA teams would be impressed with how hard he works on his game.

Uh...they might want to ask CAG about that. Just saying, “caveat emptor”.
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An article in today’s DDN (from the wire; not Jablonski or Archdeacon) about KA and his draft prospects. Generally pretty well-balanced, but I threw-up in my mouth a little when I saw a quote from KA saying NBA teams would be impressed with how hard he works on his game.

Uh...they might want to ask CAG about that. Just saying, “caveat emptor”.
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Not sure he's not accurate on that statement. He probably was working on "his" game, it's just that "his" game may not have been the game Grant wanted him to be working on. Having a mis-alignment on vision of your role isn't necessarily uncommon and can lead to friction. I'm sure in his mind, he was working on the things he believed would help him prep for NBA and not necessarily what would help him with UD.
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Not sure he's not accurate on that statement. He probably was working on "his" game, it's just that "his" game may not have been the game Grant wanted him to be working on. Having a mis-alignment on vision of your role isn't necessarily uncommon and can lead to friction. I'm sure in his mind, he was working on the things he believed would help him prep for NBA and not necessarily what would help him with UD.
Well, if he was working on his 3-pointers, FTs, leadership or strength, he gets a royal 'F'.
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Well, if he was working on his 3-pointers, FTs, leadership or strength, he gets a royal 'F'.

Unfair. Think how bad he would have been if he had NOT been working on those things. Comparatively he did excellent.
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He might have been honing his skills in NBA2K17. I mean, nothing prepares you for the NBA like EA Sports.
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If Kostas was working hard the last two years, then he really does not have much talent, and is all size, span, speed and last name.
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I don't think anyone in the NBA is kidding themselves over what he is. And nobody is wasting a pick based on a last name. There is potential there, and a late 2nd round pick is a good time to get the rights to that potential. Little to no risk for the team. Send him away for a couple of years and see what happens. Here is the blurb from Sports Illustrated (they have him going 56th):

Giannis’s younger brother (obviously) seems likely to be drafted in the second round, with the added factor that he can play overseas to develop for a couple years given his Greek passport if he agrees to it. He has serious athletic tools, but a highly questionable feel for the game that limits his upside.

Seems pretty accurate.
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UD NBA draft picks:

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/c...n/16/nba-draft


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Tonight's the night. I'll be watching (of course, I watch every year, so nothing new there)

I asked Jeeves for all of the two round mocks out there and grabbed the first handful the search returned. By no means a scientific study.

Looking at 11 mock drafts, 9 of the 11 have Kostas being drafted (the holdouts being NBADraft.net which is my personal favorite and Walter Football - he also does basketball!)

The interesting thing is that of the 9 saying he will be drafted, they have a ceiling of the 54th pick and a floor of the 59th pick. Which means either these guys know something, or we have a serious case of "group think" on our hands. So if nothing else, this tells me that if you only want to tune in tonight to see if he gets drafted, there is like a 20 minute window you need to watch.

I'm going on record with 55 to the Hornets. He then spends 2 years in the G league. After that he gets his call up and limited minutes off the bench. What happens after that? Almost anything is a possibility. If you put odds on him being an All Star in 8 years or selling hot dogs at Bucks games, probably the same odds.
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If you put odds on him being an All Star in 8 years or selling hot dogs at Bucks games, probably the same odds.
I don't know about that, the Bucks are very very selective when hiring vendors.
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Not drafted, he might be great someday.
But there are so many so far more developed.
He made big mistake leaving with 3 yrs left.
Where's he going to dev his skills? . Not in some
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The interesting thing is that of the 9 saying he will be drafted, they have a ceiling of the 54th pick and a floor of the 59th pick. Which means either these guys know something, or we have a serious case of "group think" on our hands. So if nothing else, this tells me that if you only want to tune in tonight to see if he gets drafted, there is like a 20 minute window you need to watch.
7pm to 11pm on ESPN, seems like it usually runs past 11...teams have less time on the clock in round 2 IINM.
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I agree someone takes a chance and his name is called. My guess is mid 50's.
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I say he goes somewhere between 54 and 60, to a team seemingly on the upswing, like the 76ers, who already have a good, young core, and don’t need immediate help,
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