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He was a terrific 3rd baseman from Dayton too.
Mike's parents, Jack and Lois, owned the now-closed Philipps Aquatic Club swimming pool/club at the intersection of Leo Street and Keowee Street. I didn't realize that until I was older and had stopped going there.

Great place, I had so much fun there. Shame to see places like that close. Huge pool. 5? diving boards at a separate diving-only pool. Putt putt golf. Attached restaurant. Basketball. Hand table tennis game.
Playground. Sauna. Big jacuzzi. Workout room. Huge locker room. Video game room. They don't make places like that anymore. Kind of like the old NCR/Old River pool, a relic of the past.

There is sort of a similar swim club on the west side of Cincinnati, Phillips Swim Club, that I have actually been to once, still open, I wonder if there is any relation, Phillips spelled differently.

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I remember being told that his Mom said that she’d close the pool and turn it into a parking lot before she would allow black members. There’s no excuse for that kind of thinking. Unfortunately, her thinking was prevalent at many urban swim clubs.

NCR was such a cool place. Huge pools with tons of grass. Hanging out and listening to WDJX. Great memories.
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Turns out that it is the same family that ran both those pools in Cincinnati and Dayton. I never knew that.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...tion/23740111/:

Herbert Hoover was president of the United States, bread sold for nine cents a loaf, the price of a Chevrolet was $525, and the average cost of a new home was $3,840 when the Philipps Swim Club opened its doors for business in June 1930.

Built at the height of the Great Depression, Philipps is a testament to the enduring optimism and perseverance of the American spirit. Risk taking was nothing new to the Philipps family. According to an article by Julie Hotchkiss in the Cincinnati West Side Examiner, Charles Philipps built the first privately owned pool in the United States in 1868 along the banks of the Miami River. His descendants would later build pools in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Buffalo and Muncie.

Edit: and I just realized that I used to work in the same building for the same company with the guy who wrote that article, Michael Colligan. Wow, crazy, small world.

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Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play.

Different weight class than the MVC.
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UConn has lost 4 of the last 5. Went from being ranked #2 in the AP poll to probably around #20-25.

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Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play.

Different weight class than the MVC.
Correct me if I am wrong, but when you add a team to your conference in order to strengthen the conference, you are not expecting them to completely fall down and start off 0-5 in league play in one of the weakest years for the A10 in recent memory. Not a good sign for the future prospects of Loyola IMO.

I am not convinced that the A10 has any idea what they are doing regarding A10 expansion. You could argue that the A10 is 0 for 3 with Loyola, George Mason, and Davidson.

Torvik end of season projections for this year:

Loyola...#249
Davidson...#174
GM...#140

Davidson hasn't finished at #174 or worse since 2010 when they were still in the Southern Conference before they joined the A10.

The A10 rode Davidson and McKillop to sucess, but there is uncertainty now that McKillop has retired IMO. Adding Davidson might have been a short-sighted decision.

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An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.
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An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.
Let’s keep an eye on this storyline- I’m sure the Miller bros are likely interested in him if this guy gets acquitted.
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An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.
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Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play.

Different weight class than the MVC.
Loyola is projected by Torvik to finish in dead last place in the A10 this year at 4-14 in league play and 10-20 overall.

Is there anybody on this board that would still add Loyola if they had a chance to get in a time machine, go back to last year, and have a chance to not add Loyola?


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Loyola was added as a geographic play IMHO. If they were in Springfield, IL (for example) I am not sure they would be in the A10 now
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Loyola was added as a geographic play IMHO. If they were in Springfield, IL (for example) I am not sure they would be in the A10 now
Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago?

Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10.

And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc.

You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions.

Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball.

Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them.

And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years.

And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody.

We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15.

Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.

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Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago?

Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10.

And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc.

You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions.

Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball.

Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them.

And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years.

And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody.

We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15.

Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.

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Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago?

Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10.

And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc.

You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions.

Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball.

Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them.

And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years.

And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody.

We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15.

Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.
I agree with you on most of this, especially GM, and I think Loyola will probably end up being a bad choice as well. But has Davidson been that terrible of an addition to the league? They have three NCAA appearances since joining the league (we have four in that same time frame) and three NIT appearances (we also have three). They have an A10 tourney championship to our none and two regular season championships to our three. They have only finished under .500 in league play once. Seems they are better than all but maybe two or three teams in the A10 since joining.
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Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever.

The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger.

It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."
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Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever.

The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger.

It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."
Davidson was regular season champs in their 8th year in the league last year, that's more than five years after they joined so they seem to have held up their end of the bargain. I'm not saying they will be the best team in the league every year and they will probably have their lulls, but there are only two or three teams with better results since they joined the league, so they seem to be less of a worry than those other 11 teams in the league.
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I agree with you on most of this, especially GM, and I think Loyola will probably end up being a bad choice as well. But has Davidson been that terrible of an addition to the league? They have three NCAA appearances since joining the league (we have four in that same time frame) and three NIT appearances (we also have three). They have an A10 tourney championship to our none and two regular season championships to our three. They have only finished under .500 in league play once. Seems they are better than all but maybe two or three teams in the A10 since joining.
No, Davidson has been a great addition since they joined the A10 for the 2014-2015 season, but again, these are long-term decisions. McKillop built almost that entire program. He was there from 1989-2022. What happens now that he is gone? We have no idea what is going to happen. Was the short term success with McKillop worth it if they never get back to that level again?

Teams we add need to ideally have a track record of sucess due to multiple head coaches, at least respectable attendance, and at least a respectable athletics budget. Davidson only checks 2 of those 3 boxes: attendance and budget.

Davidson ncaat appearances:
Pre-McKillop:
1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1986

With McKillop:
1998, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2022

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Even Davidson's budget is on the low end of the A10. A lot of uncertainty with them IMO. McKillop did more with less.

Based on 2018 stats, VCU ($6.1 million); Dayton (5.6); St. Louis (5.6); Richmond (4.9); RI (4.7); Duquesne (4.4); Joe's (4.2); GMU (3.5); Bonny (3.5), LaSalle (3.1); Davidson (2.6) .... could not find Fordham's. Duke is first nationally at 19.5 .... ODU 3.5; Virginia 8.6 ... many Division I's well under 1 million ... again, these numbers are two years old

Budget numbers missing for Fordham, UMass, and GW.
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Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever.

The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger.

It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."
Seeing as these decision are really, really big. I will contact the league and insure that you are in the loop, and have a vote when these really, really big decisions are made.
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No, Davidson has been a great addition since they joined the A10 for the 2014-2015 season, but again, these are long-term decisions. McKillop built almost that entire program. He was there from 1989-2022. What happens now that he is gone? We have no idea what is going to happen. Was the short term success with McKillop worth it if they never get back to that level again?

Teams we add need to ideally have a track record of sucess due to multiple head coaches, at least respectable attendance, and at least a respectable athletics budget. Davidson only checks 2 of those 3 boxes: attendance and budget.

Davidson ncaat appearances:
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Not sure I would call 1998-2022 short term. Coaching change is always a risk, but overall the Wildcats have been a +
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Loyola was picked 4th in the preseason coaches poll, nobody saw this coming. Davidson was picked to be middle of the pack, so maybe Davidson bounces back next year.
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Florida Atlantic in Conference USA is 17-1.

College of Charleston in the CAA is 19-1.

Kent State is 15-3.

FAU is projected to get an at large bid if they stumble in the CUSA conference tourney. Charleston and Kent are on the bubble if they stumble in their conference tournaments.


Louisville projected to finish at 3-28(1-19 in the ACC). 2-16 right now. That would have to be their worst record ever. What happened there?

Kentucky not projected to make the ncaat either. Bad year in the state of Kentucky.

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Loyola was picked 4th in the preseason coaches poll, nobody saw this coming. Davidson was picked to be middle of the pack, so maybe Davidson bounces back next year.
Oddly enough, Loyola drubbed Clemson, the first place team in the ACC
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And Indiana was in such a rush to can Archie and pay him $10 million to hit the road.

The new coach has delivered a First Four 12 seed and a projected 10 seed in the two years that Archie has been gone. Last year they won their First Four game and then got pounded by Saint Mary's in the round of 64, losing by 29 points.

Was it worth it to spend $10 million to get a 12 seed and a projected 10 seed?

And Louisville thought Chris Mack sucked. He looks great right about now.
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And Indiana was in such a rush to can Archie and pay him $10 million to hit the road.

The new coach has delivered a First Four 12 seed and a projected 10 seed in the two years that Archie has been gone. Last year they won their First Four game and then got pounded by Saint Mary's in the round of 64, losing by 29 points.

Was it worth it to spend $10 million to get a 12 seed and a projected 10 seed?

And Louisville thought Chris Mack sucked. He looks great right about now.
AM was behind the eightball from the getgo. Just didn't work out. The Hoosiers made the right move. As URI is showing in AM's first year, good players make a good coach better, URI a little shy of the former. Time will tell how it goes, but I expect AM to have success, although hopefully not at the expense of the Flyers.

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AM was behind the eightball from the getgo. Just didn't work out. The Hoosiers made the right move. As URI is showing in AM's first year, good players make a good coach better, URI a little shy of the former. Time will tell how it goes, but I expect AM to have success, although hopefully not at the expense of the Flyers.
It seemed very excessive to me to pay Archie $10 million to leave after only four years, especially in light of the struggles with covid. I would have given him at least another year. They could've saved a lot of $ by waiting one more year to let him go.

I think he'll have success at RI, I am not sure how far he can take them, hard to tell.

These big schools want to win big right away with a new coach, a lot of pressure.

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It seemed very excessive to me to pay Archie $10 million to leave after only four years, especially in light of the struggles with covid. I would have given him at least another year. They could've saved a lot of $ by waiting one more year to let him go.

I think he'll have success at RI, I am not sure how far he can take them, hard to tell.

These big schools want to win big right now, a lot of pressure.
Have to think the clock is already ticking on Louisville's coach
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Sean Miller doing pretty well his first year. Shaka Smart has Marquette in the top 15 his 2nd year after making the NCAAs his first year. I thought the first 2 years for new coaches were automatically rebuilding years though?
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Sean Miller doing pretty well his first year. Shaka Smart has Marquette in the top 15 his 2nd year after making the NCAAs his first year. I thought the first 2 years for new coaches were automatically rebuilding years though?
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I think that argument or approach was fair up until a few years ago. The popularity of the transfer portal has changed everything. Players like Xavier's Soule' Boum can play at a school like UTEP and then transfer to a bigger program like XU for his final year and make an immediate impact.
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The only reason Shaka is at Marquette is because Texas told him to find a new job or get fired. He was terrible in Austin given their resources. Fans wanted him gone a year or two earlier.
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The only reason Shaka is at Marquette is because Texas told him to find a new job or get fired. He was terrible in Austin given their resources. Fans wanted him gone a year or two earlier.
So you are saying a school let an underperforming coach go after year six... hmm
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So you are saying a school let an underperforming coach go after year six... hmm
Finish the sentence.

"...and Marquette - who is our peer and not Texas - subsequently hired that same underperforming coach. Hmm."
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Finish the sentence.

"...and Marquette - who is our peer and not Texas - subsequently hired that same underperforming coach. Hmm."
I am not following. Smart went from a P6 to a P6 school.

Finish the sentence

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"... and CAG subsequently was hired as a bench coach for the Cavs"
"... and CAG subsequently rented a cabin to write the great American novel"
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VCU goes down at home to the Bonnie’s 61-58.
Well, VCU coach sucks after losing AT HOME to the Bonnies…needs to go
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Well, VCU coach sucks after losing AT HOME to the Bonnies…needs to go
I watched that game. I was impressed with the Bonnie’s forward Venning. Farrell played well for them too in his first start of the year. They are well coached and they play disciplined ball. This will be a well fought game when we play them. They had a lot of players leave and quite a few new players, including three transfers. They seem to be coming together and playing well.
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Any coach who has the facilities, crowd, budget, history, and expectations of the UD program and fails to lead his team to NCAA in five out of six years should be feeling like the walls are closing in. Because they are. Why cant some of you see this?
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We had a nice 26 point win, let's just enjoy it and take a break from griping for a bit. We're gonna be ticked off all the time otherwise until Grant gets fired, or we win the A10T.

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I am not following. Smart went from a P6 to a P6 school.

Finish the sentence

"... and CAG subsequently was hired at St Boneventure"
"... and CAG subsequently was hired as a bench coach for the Cavs"
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Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei.

The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too.

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Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei.

The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too.

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Also see Travis Ford at SLU. He was 5/8 making the ncaat at Oklahoma State plus a single NIT appearance. He will be 1/7 at SLU if he doesn't win the A10T this year. Success at the previous stop doesn't always follow. He also has 2 nit appearances at SLU.

There is no way SLU thought that Ford would be close to 1/7 at this point, they never would have hired him if they thought this was going to happen. Hiring is a bit of a crapshoot.

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The VCU coach is 2/5. If he ends up 2/6 after this year, I wonder if he will be on the hot seat?

The A10T will be fiercely contested. Nobody will have an at large bid in the bag, every team will be playing for its life.

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Top 25 teams continue to be decimated this week.

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Greer is beginning to heat up at St. Joes. He had 31 points/11 reb on Wednesday and 18 points/11 reb today. I saw most of their game against GM today and Greer was a bear driving to the hoop and scoring through lots of contact. He is averaging nearly 17 ppg in the last four games after a very slow beginning including not even starting against the Flyers. So it goes.
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Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei.

The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too.

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Unfortunately, we’re nowhere near close enough to the Top 25 to be able to take advantage of that instability.
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Are we even in the top 25 in mid-majors?
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Agreed. At this point in the season that ship has sailed. A pre-season rank means nothing and so far it appears we could be/may be considered IF we went undefeated the rest of the way ...
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Are we even in the top 25 in mid-majors?
One of the twitter accounts that closely follows mid major basketball had us somewhere in the teens, fwiw.
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The Buckeyes are on the bubble, just 3-7 in Big Ten play. Youngstown State with Dwayne Cohill is in first place in the Horizon League, YSU has never made the ncaat. I always think of Jim Tressel when I think of YSU.
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Biggest game of note is SLU losing at Fordham - anyone in the A10 can lose any game on the road. It's not AG only
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Biggest game of note is SLU losing at Fordham - anyone in the A10 can lose any game on the road. It's not AG only
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Louisville "gaining steam", beat GT for win #3
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Some interesting action on the West Coast tonight (if you're up past midnight).

San Francisco (16-9) @ #18 St Mary's (19-4)
Santa Clara (16-7) @ #12 Gonzaga (18-4)

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Some interesting action on the West Coast tonight (if you're up past midnight).

San Francisco (16-9) @ #18 St Mary's (19-4)
Santa Clara (16-7) @ #12 Gonzaga (18-4)

The only Top 25 upset last night was UAB over #24 Florida Atlantic

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Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible.
Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.
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Originally Posted by joeybaloney View Post
Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible.
Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.
Gotta give VCU credit for winning at Dayton and at Saint Louis. Other than Baldwin - not very impressed by play of top two teams. A10 sucks this year.
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Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible.
Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.
Would probably still have to go 3-0 against those two, guessing that probably won't happen, but you never know, team that played UR maybe, team that played LOC, very iffy.
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Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible.
Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.
It figures that Kenny Powers would go 0-4 tonight and 6-8 against us.
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