2022-23 Games of note

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Chris R He was a terrific 3rd baseman from Dayton too.

Mike's parents, Jack and Lois, owned the now-closed Philipps Aquatic Club swimming pool/club at the intersection of Leo Street and Keowee Street. I didn't realize that until I was older and had stopped going there.

Great place, I had so much fun there. Shame to see places like that close. Huge pool. 5? diving boards at a separate diving-only pool. Putt putt golf. Attached restaurant. Basketball. Hand table tennis game.
Playground. Sauna. Big jacuzzi. Workout room. Huge locker room. Video game room. They don't make places like that anymore. Kind of like the old NCR/Old River pool, a relic of the past.

There is sort of a similar swim club on the west side of Cincinnati, Phillips Swim Club, that I have actually been to once, still open, I wonder if there is any relation, Phillips spelled differently.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

I remember being told that his Mom said that she’d close the pool and turn it into a parking lot before she would allow black members. There’s no excuse for that kind of thinking. Unfortunately, her thinking was prevalent at many urban swim clubs.

NCR was such a cool place. Huge pools with tons of grass. Hanging out and listening to WDJX. Great memories.
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[ud2]

Turns out that it is the same family that ran both those pools in Cincinnati and Dayton. I never knew that.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...tion/23740111/:

Herbert Hoover was president of the United States, bread sold for nine cents a loaf, the price of a Chevrolet was $525, and the average cost of a new home was $3,840 when the Philipps Swim Club opened its doors for business in June 1930.

Built at the height of the Great Depression, Philipps is a testament to the enduring optimism and perseverance of the American spirit. Risk taking was nothing new to the Philipps family. According to an article by Julie Hotchkiss in the Cincinnati West Side Examiner, Charles Philipps built the first privately owned pool in the United States in 1868 along the banks of the Miami River. His descendants would later build pools in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Buffalo and Muncie.

Edit: and I just realized that I used to work in the same building for the same company with the guy who wrote that article, Michael Colligan. Wow, crazy, small world.

[CvilleFlyer]

#8 Gonzaga defeats BYU 75-74 on a three pointer with 9 seconds remaining. Flyers had BYU beat and let it slip away.

[OSU Flyer]

@JonRothstein
Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play.

Different weight class than the MVC.

[ud2]

UConn has lost 4 of the last 5. Went from being ranked #2 in the AP poll to probably around #20-25.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer @JonRothstein Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play. Different weight class than the MVC.

Correct me if I am wrong, but when you add a team to your conference in order to strengthen the conference, you are not expecting them to completely fall down and start off 0-5 in league play in one of the weakest years for the A10 in recent memory. Not a good sign for the future prospects of Loyola IMO.

I am not convinced that the A10 has any idea what they are doing regarding A10 expansion. You could argue that the A10 is 0 for 3 with Loyola, George Mason, and Davidson.

Torvik end of season projections for this year:

Loyola...#249
Davidson...#174
GM...#140

Davidson hasn't finished at #174 or worse since 2010 when they were still in the Southern Conference before they joined the A10.

The A10 rode Davidson and McKillop to sucess, but there is uncertainty now that McKillop has retired IMO. Adding Davidson might have been a short-sighted decision.

[CT Flyer]

An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.

Let’s keep an eye on this storyline- I’m sure the Miller bros are likely interested in him if this guy gets acquitted.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer An Alabama player was arrested on capital murder charges. It does make you thankful that AG does seem to recruit decent people. It also makes you shake your head that many college coaches, in many sports, sell their souls for these kind of kids.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1661839-alabama-basketball-player-devonta-pollard-charged-in-kidnapping-of-child.amp.html
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[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1661839-alabama-basketball-player-devonta-pollard-charged-in-kidnapping-of-child.amp.html Posted via Mobile Device

OK maybe not then...I stand corrected.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer @JonRothstein Loyola Chicago is now 0-5 in its first season in the Atlantic 10 after today's 31-point loss to St. Joe's. Ramblers are allowing an average of 85.4 PPG in conference play. Different weight class than the MVC.

Loyola is projected by Torvik to finish in dead last place in the A10 this year at 4-14 in league play and 10-20 overall.

Is there anybody on this board that would still add Loyola if they had a chance to get in a time machine, go back to last year, and have a chance to not add Loyola?


https://barttorvik.com/conodds.php?conf=A10

[CoffeeCan]

Loyola was added as a geographic play IMHO. If they were in Springfield, IL (for example) I am not sure they would be in the A10 now

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Loyola was added as a geographic play IMHO. If they were in Springfield, IL (for example) I am not sure they would be in the A10 now

Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago?

Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10.

And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc.

You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions.

Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball.

Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them.

And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years.

And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody.

We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15.

Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by ud2 Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago? Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10. And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc. You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions. Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball. Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them. And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years. And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody. We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15. Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.

You realize, of course - you have no say in the matter.

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Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Ok, but again, I am skeptical about adding a team based upon geography. Does our recruiting really get a huge boost from the league having Fordham in NYC and Loyola in Chicago? Fordham has been a huge drag on the league in terms of their win/loss record for basically the entire time Dayton has been in the A10. And Loyola could become a team that is perennially in the bottom half of the A10. There are no guarantees in life. Loyola’s attendance is kind of sketchy/up and down, they lost their head coach that led them to almost all their recent success, they suck this year, etc. You could argue that adding Loyola, Davidson, and GM were all short-sighted, poor, flavor-of-the-week decisions. Almost nobody in NYC and Chicago watches or cares about Fordham and Loyola basketball. Why was the A10 in such a rush to add Loyola? Loyola wasn't going anywhere, there is no other league, other than the A10, that was going to be an upgrade for them. The Big East doesn't want them, the BE already has DePaul. The A10 should've waited 5? more years to see if the new coach could keep things rolling before adding them. And the same thing should've happened with GM and Davidson. Wait until McKillop retired or left and wait until Larranaga left GM, give it another 5 years, and then evaluate what happened in those 5 years. And if the new coach can't keep things rolling, then don't add them to the A10. There is nothing wrong with adding nobody. We are better off at 12 teams than adding 3 more poor/mediocre teams to get to 15. Right now, I would add nobody other than maybe Wichita State. Wait and see on Belmont and Murray State in the MVC.

I agree with you on most of this, especially GM, and I think Loyola will probably end up being a bad choice as well. But has Davidson been that terrible of an addition to the league? They have three NCAA appearances since joining the league (we have four in that same time frame) and three NIT appearances (we also have three). They have an A10 tourney championship to our none and two regular season championships to our three. They have only finished under .500 in league play once. Seems they are better than all but maybe two or three teams in the A10 since joining.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark You realize, of course - you have no say in the matter. _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever.

The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger.

It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever. The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger. It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."

Davidson was regular season champs in their 8th year in the league last year, that's more than five years after they joined so they seem to have held up their end of the bargain. I'm not saying they will be the best team in the league every year and they will probably have their lulls, but there are only two or three teams with better results since they joined the league, so they seem to be less of a worry than those other 11 teams in the league.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer I agree with you on most of this, especially GM, and I think Loyola will probably end up being a bad choice as well. But has Davidson been that terrible of an addition to the league? They have three NCAA appearances since joining the league (we have four in that same time frame) and three NIT appearances (we also have three). They have an A10 tourney championship to our none and two regular season championships to our three. They have only finished under .500 in league play once. Seems they are better than all but maybe two or three teams in the A10 since joining.

No, Davidson has been a great addition since they joined the A10 for the 2014-2015 season, but again, these are long-term decisions. McKillop built almost that entire program. He was there from 1989-2022. What happens now that he is gone? We have no idea what is going to happen. Was the short term success with McKillop worth it if they never get back to that level again?

Teams we add need to ideally have a track record of sucess due to multiple head coaches, at least respectable attendance, and at least a respectable athletics budget. Davidson only checks 2 of those 3 boxes: attendance and budget.

Davidson ncaat appearances:
Pre-McKillop:
1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1986

With McKillop:
1998, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2022

[ud2]

Even Davidson's budget is on the low end of the A10. A lot of uncertainty with them IMO. McKillop did more with less.

Based on 2018 stats, VCU ($6.1 million); Dayton (5.6); St. Louis (5.6); Richmond (4.9); RI (4.7); Duquesne (4.4); Joe's (4.2); GMU (3.5); Bonny (3.5), LaSalle (3.1); Davidson (2.6) .... could not find Fordham's. Duke is first nationally at 19.5 .... ODU 3.5; Virginia 8.6 ... many Division I's well under 1 million ... again, these numbers are two years old

Budget numbers missing for Fordham, UMass, and GW.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 Yes, I realize that. It is just that these expansion decisions are really, really big decisions. We are now stuck with Loyola, good or bad, for forever. The A10 needs to do exhaustive, comprehensive research and analysis of any expansion candidates before pulling the trigger, and I really question if that happened with Loyola, GM, and Davidson. If you can't find close to exactly what you want, then don't pull the trigger. It's almost like they said: "oh look, there is a shiny, fancy new thing, we've gotta have that right now, let's go get it, who cares about what happens five years from now."

Seeing as these decision are really, really big. I will contact the league and insure that you are in the loop, and have a vote when these really, really big decisions are made.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 No, Davidson has been a great addition since they joined the A10 for the 2014-2015 season, but again, these are long-term decisions. McKillop built almost that entire program. He was there from 1989-2022. What happens now that he is gone? We have no idea what is going to happen. Was the short term success with McKillop worth it if they never get back to that level again? Teams we add need to ideally have a track record of sucess due to multiple head coaches, at least respectable attendance, and at least a respectable athletics budget. Davidson only checks 2 of those 3 boxes: attendance and budget. Davidson ncaat appearances: Pre-McKillop: 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1986 With McKillop: 1998, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2022

Not sure I would call 1998-2022 short term. Coaching change is always a risk, but overall the Wildcats have been a +

[ud2]

Loyola was picked 4th in the preseason coaches poll, nobody saw this coming. Davidson was picked to be middle of the pack, so maybe Davidson bounces back next year.

[ud2]

Florida Atlantic in Conference USA is 17-1.

College of Charleston in the CAA is 19-1.

Kent State is 15-3.

FAU is projected to get an at large bid if they stumble in the CUSA conference tourney. Charleston and Kent are on the bubble if they stumble in their conference tournaments.


Louisville projected to finish at 3-28(1-19 in the ACC). 2-16 right now. That would have to be their worst record ever. What happened there?

Kentucky not projected to make the ncaat either. Bad year in the state of Kentucky.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Loyola was picked 4th in the preseason coaches poll, nobody saw this coming. Davidson was picked to be middle of the pack, so maybe Davidson bounces back next year.

Oddly enough, Loyola drubbed Clemson, the first place team in the ACC

[ud2]

And Indiana was in such a rush to can Archie and pay him $10 million to hit the road.

The new coach has delivered a First Four 12 seed and a projected 10 seed in the two years that Archie has been gone. Last year they won their First Four game and then got pounded by Saint Mary's in the round of 64, losing by 29 points.

Was it worth it to spend $10 million to get a 12 seed and a projected 10 seed?

And Louisville thought Chris Mack sucked. He looks great right about now.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 And Indiana was in such a rush to can Archie and pay him $10 million to hit the road. The new coach has delivered a First Four 12 seed and a projected 10 seed in the two years that Archie has been gone. Last year they won their First Four game and then got pounded by Saint Mary's in the round of 64, losing by 29 points. Was it worth it to spend $10 million to get a 12 seed and a projected 10 seed? And Louisville thought Chris Mack sucked. He looks great right about now.

AM was behind the eightball from the getgo. Just didn't work out. The Hoosiers made the right move. As URI is showing in AM's first year, good players make a good coach better, URI a little shy of the former. Time will tell how it goes, but I expect AM to have success, although hopefully not at the expense of the Flyers.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UD62 AM was behind the eightball from the getgo. Just didn't work out. The Hoosiers made the right move. As URI is showing in AM's first year, good players make a good coach better, URI a little shy of the former. Time will tell how it goes, but I expect AM to have success, although hopefully not at the expense of the Flyers.

It seemed very excessive to me to pay Archie $10 million to leave after only four years, especially in light of the struggles with covid. I would have given him at least another year. They could've saved a lot of $ by waiting one more year to let him go.

I think he'll have success at RI, I am not sure how far he can take them, hard to tell.

These big schools want to win big right away with a new coach, a lot of pressure.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 It seemed very excessive to me to pay Archie $10 million to leave after only four years, especially in light of the struggles with covid. I would have given him at least another year. They could've saved a lot of $ by waiting one more year to let him go. I think he'll have success at RI, I am not sure how far he can take them, hard to tell. These big schools want to win big right now, a lot of pressure.

Have to think the clock is already ticking on Louisville's coach

[Mich Flyer]

Xavier goes down to DePaul 72 -73.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CvilleFlyer]

Virginia Tech put an end to their 7 game losing streak at home tonight by defeating Duke
78-75. Grant Basile, the former Wright St. Raider led the Hokies with 24 pts.

Our worst game of the season, a 77-49 shellacing, was at the hands of the Hokies and Basile was high point man in that game as well.

[CvilleFlyer]

Baylor defeats #9 Kansas at home tonight 75-69. Winning is always tough when you play on the road.

[PURPLE REIGN]

Xavier improves to 9-1 in the Big East and 17-4 overall with a win at UConn.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[zmz723]

Sean Miller doing pretty well his first year. Shaka Smart has Marquette in the top 15 his 2nd year after making the NCAAs his first year. I thought the first 2 years for new coaches were automatically rebuilding years though?
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[PURPLE REIGN]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Sean Miller doing pretty well his first year. Shaka Smart has Marquette in the top 15 his 2nd year after making the NCAAs his first year. I thought the first 2 years for new coaches were automatically rebuilding years though? Posted via Mobile Device

I think that argument or approach was fair up until a few years ago. The popularity of the transfer portal has changed everything. Players like Xavier's Soule' Boum can play at a school like UTEP and then transfer to a bigger program like XU for his final year and make an immediate impact.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Mich Flyer]

Xaiver goes down to Creighton 67 to 84.

[Chris R]

The only reason Shaka is at Marquette is because Texas told him to find a new job or get fired. He was terrible in Austin given their resources. Fans wanted him gone a year or two earlier.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by Chris R The only reason Shaka is at Marquette is because Texas told him to find a new job or get fired. He was terrible in Austin given their resources. Fans wanted him gone a year or two earlier.

So you are saying a school let an underperforming coach go after year six... hmm

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan So you are saying a school let an underperforming coach go after year six... hmm

Finish the sentence.

"...and Marquette - who is our peer and not Texas - subsequently hired that same underperforming coach. Hmm."

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by Chris R Finish the sentence. "...and Marquette - who is our peer and not Texas - subsequently hired that same underperforming coach. Hmm."

I am not following. Smart went from a P6 to a P6 school.

Finish the sentence

"... and CAG subsequently was hired at St Boneventure"
"... and CAG subsequently was hired as a bench coach for the Cavs"
"... and CAG subsequently rented a cabin to write the great American novel"

[frisco flyer]

VCU goes down at home to the Bonnie’s 61-58.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer VCU goes down at home to the Bonnie’s 61-58.

Well, VCU coach sucks after losing AT HOME to the Bonnies…needs to go

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Well, VCU coach sucks after losing AT HOME to the Bonnies…needs to go

I watched that game. I was impressed with the Bonnie’s forward Venning. Farrell played well for them too in his first start of the year. They are well coached and they play disciplined ball. This will be a well fought game when we play them. They had a lot of players leave and quite a few new players, including three transfers. They seem to be coming together and playing well.

[CoffeeCan]

Any coach who has the facilities, crowd, budget, history, and expectations of the UD program and fails to lead his team to NCAA in five out of six years should be feeling like the walls are closing in. Because they are. Why cant some of you see this?

[ud2]

We had a nice 26 point win, let's just enjoy it and take a break from griping for a bit. We're gonna be ticked off all the time otherwise until Grant gets fired, or we win the A10T.

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan I am not following. Smart went from a P6 to a P6 school. Finish the sentence "... and CAG subsequently was hired at St Boneventure" "... and CAG subsequently was hired as a bench coach for the Cavs" "... and CAG subsequently rented a cabin to write the great American novel"

Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei.

The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too.

Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Chris R Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei. The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too. Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.

Also see Travis Ford at SLU. He was 5/8 making the ncaat at Oklahoma State plus a single NIT appearance. He will be 1/7 at SLU if he doesn't win the A10T this year. Success at the previous stop doesn't always follow. He also has 2 nit appearances at SLU.

There is no way SLU thought that Ford would be close to 1/7 at this point, they never would have hired him if they thought this was going to happen. Hiring is a bit of a crapshoot.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[ud2]

The VCU coach is 2/5. If he ends up 2/6 after this year, I wonder if he will be on the hot seat?

The A10T will be fiercely contested. Nobody will have an at large bid in the bag, every team will be playing for its life.

[Glen Clark]

Top 25 teams continue to be decimated this week.

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[Sid Louick]

Greer is beginning to heat up at St. Joes. He had 31 points/11 reb on Wednesday and 18 points/11 reb today. I saw most of their game against GM today and Greer was a bear driving to the hoop and scoring through lots of contact. He is averaging nearly 17 ppg in the last four games after a very slow beginning including not even starting against the Flyers. So it goes.

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Chris R Texas to Marquette is like Duke to Seton Hall. Not all P6s are the same. Texas is its own athletic planet with more money ego, and reach than the Sultan of Brunei. The suggestion was Marquette was smart to hire a coach that can get things done in just two years unlike the long wait with Grant at UD, but that same hire was deemed a liability and told to get lost from the previous job he was at (Texas), which meant Marquette was not hiring anything close to a sure thing. Indiana thought they were hiring a sure thing too with Archie Miller. Just because you won at a previous stop (VCU, UD), doesn't mean the success magically follows. It can, but it often doesn't. Hiring coaches is one part due diligence one equal part good fortune. There are zero guarantee hires at the Dayton level. Archie was a massive calculated risk just like Gregory. Grant brought risk/reward too. Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.

Texas also fired Rick Barnes, who went to Tennessee and has been doing pretty well there. Using Texas is not a good example because we're never happy with what we have.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Top 25 teams continue to be decimated this week. _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

Unfortunately, we’re nowhere near close enough to the Top 25 to be able to take advantage of that instability.
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[CoffeeCan]

Are we even in the top 25 in mid-majors?

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Unfortunately, we’re nowhere near close enough to the Top 25 to be able to take advantage of that instability. Posted via Mobile Device

Agreed. At this point in the season that ship has sailed. A pre-season rank means nothing and so far it appears we could be/may be considered IF we went undefeated the rest of the way ...

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Are we even in the top 25 in mid-majors?

One of the twitter accounts that closely follows mid major basketball had us somewhere in the teens, fwiw.

[ud2]

The Buckeyes are on the bubble, just 3-7 in Big Ten play. Youngstown State with Dwayne Cohill is in first place in the Horizon League, YSU has never made the ncaat. I always think of Jim Tressel when I think of YSU.

[AZFlyer85]

Biggest game of note is SLU losing at Fordham - anyone in the A10 can lose any game on the road. It's not AG only

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by AZFlyer85 Biggest game of note is SLU losing at Fordham - anyone in the A10 can lose any game on the road. It's not AG only

Have to believe the SLU fans are at least a little upset with hc Ford after that. Can't believe he isn't on the hot seat at almost 1 ncaat appearance in 7 years.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Have to believe the SLU fans are at least a little upset with hc Ford after that. Can't believe he isn't on the hot seat at almost 1/7.

They had the pitchforks out after their OOC when I checked their board

[Radar]

Originally Posted by ud2 Have to believe the SLU fans are at least a little upset with hc Ford after that. Can't believe he isn't on the hot seat at almost 1 ncaat appearance in 7 years.

What's udscott's handle on their message board?

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by Radar What's udscott's handle on their message board?

SLUcy

[UD62]

Louisville "gaining steam", beat GT for win #3

[Glen Clark]

Some interesting action on the West Coast tonight (if you're up past midnight).

San Francisco (16-9) @ #18 St Mary's (19-4)
Santa Clara (16-7) @ #12 Gonzaga (18-4)

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[frisco flyer]

Dwane Cohill for the win in triple OT over WSU

https://twitter.com/heatcheckcbb/sta...SDRysTYo8gClYQ

[UD62]

I see Frankie had 13 in a Stony Brook loss to always tough Elon

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Some interesting action on the West Coast tonight (if you're up past midnight). San Francisco (16-9) @ #18 St Mary's (19-4) Santa Clara (16-7) @ #12 Gonzaga (18-4)

The only Top 25 upset last night was UAB over #24 Florida Atlantic

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[joeybaloney]

Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible.
Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[312to937]

Originally Posted by joeybaloney Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible. Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.

Gotta give VCU credit for winning at Dayton and at Saint Louis. Other than Baldwin - not very impressed by play of top two teams. A10 sucks this year.
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by joeybaloney Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible. Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.

Would probably still have to go 3-0 against those two, guessing that probably won't happen, but you never know, team that played UR maybe, team that played LOC, very iffy.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by joeybaloney Watching VCU and St. Louis. Billikens are terrible. Baldwin is on fire. Sickening that we blew the game against VCU, we would be in first place right now had we not choked it away.

It figures that Kenny Powers would go 0-4 tonight and 6-8 against us.
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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.