Iowa loses

[NCkevi]

sory didn't see already posted - too early to be online!

[THirt]

Here's a bit more on the game. http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.c...r-beating-win/

Looks like Iowa was out rebounded too. They will be ready for us in Orlando though - biggest game of the nonconference schedule IMHO.
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Who else did they lose to?

[TommyGola]

So Division 2 Augustana beat the Hawkeyes? Something that intrigues me about these D-2 teams is this - why aren't some of these players in Division 1 ball? Just like yesterday's game against Saginaw Valley State. There were about three players on that team - the point guard and two front-liners, whom I would take in a minute to be a Flyer. Why is it that these guys aren't recruited as D-1 players? I remember the center from Walsh College whom we have played a couple of times. That guy made our centers look silly. He was tough! Any comments on why these kids are overlooked by Division 1 maestros?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by TommyGola So Division 2 Augustana beat the Hawkeyes? Something that intrigues me about these D-2 teams is this - why aren't some of these players in Division 1 ball? Any comments on why these kids are overlooked by Division 1 maestros?

1. Grades
2. Late bloomers
3. Questionable background/ criminal records.
4. Desire to play close to home
5. Follow in mom and dads footsteps and play at same school
6. Looking at life beyond college and at school for a particular major or program.

What did I miss as a possible reason?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan 1. Grades 2. Late bloomers 3. Questionable background/ criminal records. 4. Desire to play close to home 5. Follow in mom and dads footsteps and play at same school 6. Looking at life beyond college and at school for a particular major or program. What did I miss as a possible reason?

Doesn't like the intense nature and the time commitment around D1 athletics, prefers the less intense DII or DIII.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan 1. Grades 2. Late bloomers 3. Questionable background/ criminal records. 4. Desire to play close to home 5. Follow in mom and dads footsteps and play at same school 6. Looking at life beyond college and at school for a particular major or program. What did I miss as a possible reason?

Recruiting is an inexact science. "Late Bloomers" is a very broad category.

Some kids have peaked by their senior year in HS but some others will continue getting better well into their twenties. Predicting which category a kid will fall into can be next to impossible.

Some kids are overlooked because they aren't a good fit for the style of ball their HS team plays. So they are underutilized and don't necessarily get much attention.

Some kids are stuck in HS behind an upperclassman. The lucky ones get to start right away and have some impressive stats by their senior year.

Fact is, there are diamonds in the rough everywhere. As I recall Chris Johnson wasn't that highly recruited coming out of Columbus HS basketball, but someone at UD spotted the potential.

[UDBrian]

There are also players who are 6' - 6'1" who play center for their team and don't get a chance to show any perimeter skills.

[College B-Ball Fan]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan 1. Grades 2. Late bloomers 3. Questionable background/ criminal records. 4. Desire to play close to home 5. Follow in mom and dads footsteps and play at same school 6. Looking at life beyond college and at school for a particular major or program. What did I miss as a possible reason?

7) "supposedly" a step to slow;
8) "supposedly" an inch or two to small/undersized;
etc.

Crazy part is often kids will play harder, smarter, work harder and are just plain "driven" to succeed/win........often there one's you may want on your team when it really matters!

[UDTradition]

How many D2 players became pros? In football I am always amazed how many are from schools that are football nobody has ever hear of.

Bloomsburg State???

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by UDTradition How many D2 players became pros? In football I am always amazed how many are from schools that are football nobody has ever hear of. Bloomsburg State???

Hey, don't knock Bloomsburg. One of my sons and my daughter and son-in-law graduated from Bloom. My son-in-law played football there with Jahri Evans, all-pro guard of the NO Saints. Evans was heavily recruited in HS but tore up his knee. The D-1's backed off. That's how he ended up at Bloom.
The school is located in Bloomsburg, PA., and part of the Pennsylvania league that includes, Slippery Rock, East Stroudsburg, Shippensburg, Indiana of PA, California of PA, West Chester, Clarion, and a few others. It's a nice DII league.

Former Giant TE, Bob Tucker, is also a Bloomsburg grad.

[SeasonTicketFan]

The biggest difference between D1 and D2 basketball players usually is size and strength. Many D2 are quick and skilled but their size is small. Especially front lines. There are some guard in D2 and D3 that can shoot the ball lights out. Strength in D1 is crucial as you can use strength to overcome other skills.

Some D2 players don't qualify grade wise, but if a player thinks they have a D1 chance, they prefer to go the JUCO route.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UDTradition How many D2 players became pros? In football I am always amazed how many are from schools that are football nobody has ever hear of. Bloomsburg State???

Are we talking about football or basketball? I think Bloomsburg State might be a d2 basketball power.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Doesn't like the intense nature and the time commitment around D1 athletics, prefers the less intense DII or DIII.

At many DII and DIII schools, they expect the same commitment as DI schools. I think today's club level is what DIII was 30-40 years ago.

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by ud2 Are we talking about football or basketball? I think Bloomsburg State might be a d2 basketball power.

Bloomsburg has a much higher football profile than basketball.

[udflyerhoops2]

Many of these guys were recruited by d1 schools too. The choice between going to a Findlay or Bloomsburg and winning at a high level and playing for a championship vs losing all the time at a low level d1 school is part of that decision process.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan The biggest difference between D1 and D2 basketball players usually is size and strength. Many D2 are quick and skilled but their size is small. Especially front lines. There are some guard in D2 and D3 that can shoot the ball lights out. Strength in D1 is crucial as you can use strength to overcome other skills. Some D2 players don't qualify grade wise, but if a player thinks they have a D1 chance, they prefer to go the JUCO route.

Size and strength are 2 (I was 6'05'' and under 200 in HS...played at 6'05"" 215 in college)....one of the biggest not mentioned, is exposure.

If a kid isn't playing summer ball in higher profile AAU/YBOA/Florida Big Shots tournaments, then they aren't getting scouted.

My situation was tricky, and I ended up DIII. My HS did nothing in the summer, coach wasn't proactive in getting his players out there, and AAU/YBOA was tricky as All Ohio was the "premiere" in the area. I ended up locally playing with Parkside. Had I not gone out and played on my own in the summer, I would have had no other exposure except for scouts that happened to show up at area HS games...most likely to scout and higher end DI players and we just happened to be playing. It wasn't until the summers when recruiting started to increase. Luckily we had good players...DNutz played DI and two other guys we played with played DIII at OAC schools. Other guys were good athletes and played either baseball or football in college.

The bottom line...if a kid doesn't have the opportunity to play with exposure, he is typically only going to get recruited by local guys. Scouts that can drive to your games within 2-4 hours is what you are going to get. The big schools aren't going to fly to a game based on being sent some film...they are going to have heard about you and have most likely already seen you play in the summer.

Academically...your DII and DIII players are better students overall. Face it...no one is cooking the books to get a 6'05'' kid from the suburbs to play for a DIII in the middle of corn fields. I didn't run into DIII ball players that needed hoops to graduate or needed the academic support to graduate in 4 years.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CE80 At many DII and DIII schools, they expect the same commitment as DI schools. I think today's club level is what DIII was 30-40 years ago.

It is much less at DII and DIII schools. DI football gets 30 practices before their first game, DIII for sure and I believe DII get much less. Also for DIII football they are not even given helmets for spring practice. Most DII and DIII kids are not around year round. DIII They also play less games for DII and DIII for all sports. I am not saying DII and DIII are like club sports, they are more like DI than club sports, but there is much less of a time commitment and less intense must win at all cost feel.