Pierre

[number21]

Pierre is not playing. Every post mentions if we had Pierre and what would happen if Pierre was playing.

We have a minimum of 3 more games without him. This team needs to respond and play without him.

I believe that he is coming back but no guarantee that is the case. If and when he comes back it is not the end all that people are predicting. It will be a domino effect as far as rotation and seeing how long it takes him to get into game shape.

This is your team. #TrueTeam

[ruechalgrin]

Pierre is coming back for the Miami game -- mark it down.

He will be a huge addition to the team. One of the best 3 players from last year (Pierre, Sibert, and Pollard). He grabs rebounds a great rate, shoots 2 pointers at over 50%, shoots 3s at 35% which is a great for someone playing the 4 (and good for someone playing the 3, and he has a low turnover rate particularly when he plays the high post in a zone offense.

[1903 Flyer]

We needed another thread for this?

[THirt]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Pierre is coming back for the Miami game -- mark it down. He will be a huge addition to the team. One of the best 3 players from last year (Pierre, Sibert, and Pollard). He grabs rebounds a great rate, shoots 2 pointers at over 50%, shoots 3s at 35% which is a great for someone playing the 4 (and good for someone playing the 3, and he has a low turnover rate particularly when he plays the high post in a zone offense.

Agreed. Pierre's presence on the floor just opens things up so much. He's a threat to score wherever he catches the ball, he's an excellent passer, can create his own shot, and he's yet another veteran who has been through the wars with the juniors.

Archie said on the radio show yesterday that UT-Chatanooga will be the best team to come to the Arena this far this year. Said they are coming to UD to win (or at least try to win). Sure, the Vandy game will be tough, and the Chatanooga game will be tough. We ought to beat Furman the following week.

So sure, he won't be on the team for these next three games but everything I've heard and read recently says he will be back for the Miami game. It will be very interesting to see how things mesh after that. Archie certainly is very high on Big Steve and seems to like what he brings to the floor in terms of spacing, defensive presence, and rebounding. So he'll get minutes, but there will be some significant adjusting.

We are off to a good start. Adding a guy who was probably on the short list of preseason A-10 player of the year candidates is only going to help, IMHO. So it's worth discussing.
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[31770]

DP won't play right away if he comes back, and that's a big "IF"... who gives a kid not on a team that is potentially going to court to sue the school a play book? Not AM! Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM! If DP is doing anything your gonna have to wait for that show cause he has a lot of work to do... AM made this show and he won't ruin it

[THirt]

Originally Posted by 31770 DP won't play right away if he comes back, and that's a big "IF"... who gives a kid not on a team that is potentially going to court to sue the school a play book? Not AM! Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM! If DP is doing anything your gonna have to wait for that show cause he has a lot of work to do... AM made this show and he won't ruin it

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there, Bob.

I don't really see this as much different than a guy coming back from injury. Will he play 34 minutes right off the bat? Of course not. But this isn't a freshman walkon. This is an all-conference senior who has been a huge part of three successful years, 5 NCAA wins, practiced with the team all summer and the first part of the semester... He's arguably our best player! He's going to play. Miami isn't great so he should have the opportunity to get in there and mix it up a bit. Of course he'll only have a day or two to get up to speed before then but he's been in our system for over 3 years. Archie isn't going to hide the playbook from him.
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[Jeff]

Originally Posted by 31770 DP won't play right away if he comes back, and that's a big "IF"... who gives a kid not on a team that is potentially going to court to sue the school a play book? Not AM! Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM! If DP is doing anything your gonna have to wait for that show cause he has a lot of work to do... AM made this show and he won't ruin it

He'll play, and he'll play as much as his performance will allow him.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin . . . One of the best 3 players from last year (Pierre, Sibert, and Pollard). . .

I would put Scoochie in there . . .
Heck, I would say Scoochie is the best player on the team (but that's just my 2 cents).

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[skip69]

I would come back and red shirt, try to get my degree over the summer, then decide how UD is treating me and either bolt for greener pastures (like overseas) or help this team next year make a really deep run in the NC2A tourney with a deeper and really experienced team. Why burn a year for probably not as much publicity, nor as high in the all time record books. Yes, this year's team will be better with him for some amount of time, but not like next year's team which could be one of the best in UD history with him from the get go!

[moville]

So, if he comes back . . . what happens with the lawsuit he's lodged against the school providing his scholarship. This is freeking weird man.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by 31770 DP won't play right away if he comes back, and that's a big "IF"... who gives a kid not on a team that is potentially going to court to sue the school a play book? Not AM! Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM! If DP is doing anything your gonna have to wait for that show cause he has a lot of work to do... AM made this show and he won't ruin it

In the words of Ocho Cinco, "child please!"

Pierre IS coming back.

Pierre playing during 2014-2015 with KD, KP, and SS logged probably the most minutes together of any 4 UD players the last 10 years. Moreover, Pierre played with Big Steve and CC all last year during practice. Finally, the 4 new Freshman played with Piere during the summer.

Pierre knows exactly how the offense and defense runs.

Pierre will NOT redshirt. He wants to start his pro career in the Fall of 2016 -- if he redshirted he would be almost 24 when he started his pro career in the Fall of 2017.

The coaches love Pierre and AM desperately wants him part of the show.

[UD90]

He's coming back as originally scheduled.

[Buster Goode]

Originally Posted by 31770 Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM!

You're right, Pierre has no idea who these kids are.



This offense will be completely foreign to Pierre.



Yeah, you're right. Tons of work left to do.

Tons.

[31770]

Originally Posted by Buster Goode You're right, Pierre has no idea who these kids are. This offense will be completely foreign to Pierre. Yeah, you're right. Tons of work left to do. Tons.

Your random images of DP's greatest moments convinced me that I was completely wrong! Thanks for clearing things up for me!!!

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by moville So, if he comes back . . . what happens with the lawsuit he's lodged against the school providing his scholarship. This is freeking weird man.

I don't know if or how this has ever happened before.....and ended peacefully between both parties. Very weird indeed. I can't think of a similar instance ever occurring in my lifetime.

I assume the ball is in the school's court as to the next proceding, I'm not sure, but I hope things are as peaceful in two months in that regard as they 'seem' now.

[FLYER5]

I imagine they've been simulating his presence in practice so the rooks know their place and his upon his return. If, indeed it comes to fruition. Everything is looking and sounding peachy. Don't need a wrench thrown into the mix now.

[steve]

Originally Posted by 31770 DP won't play right away if he comes back, and that's a big "IF"... who gives a kid not on a team that is potentially going to court to sue the school a play book? Not AM! Who puts a kid into rotation that doesn't know the other kids on the floor and how the o and d should be run? Not AM! If DP is doing anything your gonna have to wait for that show cause he has a lot of work to do... AM made this show and he won't ruin it

Incorrect....Unless you've been in a coma DP has been with AM and his "system" for 3 years.....He knows exactly how to play with at least 3 of the guys who he/they only played together for "just" 35 mpg last season.......DP may not start game 1 but he'll likely log around 20-24 minutes and maybe more depending on his BB endurance that game and will be starting in his 2nd game......Look for DP to be around 28-30 mpg the rest of the year....

[jack72]

Is there a way to shrink this page, so the oversize photos don't make me scan back and forth to read threads?

[shocka43]

If he comes back he will be fine...but to state that he is going to jive out of the gate...with new players playing prominent minutes...regardless of knowledge of the system...it isn't going to happen as seamless as you think.

IMO...he hasn't played with the new guys logging minutes. The guys that are currently playing are figuring each other out and their roles at certain spots with certain rotations. It isn't plug and play. Will he hurt this team by coming back? No. Will his remaining year be better served playing and entire 16-17 season? Yes. He can come back to campus and practice from winter break on....play an whole year. For my selfish reasons, I want to see DP on the court for a full season. Not an abbreviated one with unknowns.

[daytonflyers]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 I don't know if or how this has ever happened before.....and ended peacefully between both parties. Very weird indeed. I can't think of a similar instance ever occurring in my lifetime. I assume the ball is in the school's court as to the next proceding, I'm not sure, but I hope things are as peaceful in two months in that regard as they 'seem' now.

Parties to lawsuits continue to do business together all of the time. Do you think Archie is going to feel awkward about it when dealing with Pierre? His professors? They aren't being accused of anything. If he runs into the Title 9 investigators in KU, there could be an awkward moment. But the adults at UD should be able to provide the kid with an education without holding a grudge.

[DGO67]

Originally Posted by jack72 Is there a way to shrink this page, so the oversize photos don't make me scan back and forth to read threads?

Just use your imagination...that's what everyone else is doing.

[rollo]

'Zoom' your computer screen to 75% and put on your reading glasses.

Or politely ask the original poster to 'edit' his post and delete the large picture...as well as those who 'replied'.

[31770]

Originally Posted by jack72 Is there a way to shrink this page, so the oversize photos don't make me scan back and forth to read threads?

Originally Posted by rollo 'Zoom' your computer screen to 75% and put on your reading glasses. Or politely ask the original poster to 'edit' his post and delete the large picture...as well as those who 'replied'.

Get a bigger screen... works on mine just fine...

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by shocka43 If he comes back he will be fine...but to state that he is going to jive out of the gate...with new players playing prominent minutes...regardless of knowledge of the system...it isn't going to happen as seamless as you think. IMO...he hasn't played with the new guys logging minutes. The guys that are currently playing are figuring each other out and their roles at certain spots with certain rotations. It isn't plug and play. Will he hurt this team by coming back? No. Will his remaining year be better served playing and entire 16-17 season? Yes. He can come back to campus and practice from winter break on....play an whole year. For my selfish reasons, I want to see DP on the court for a full season. Not an abbreviated one with unknowns.

Im guessing that by Conference Play Shocka - we see the old Pierre. In game shape, firing on 5 out of 6 cylinders by then.

First 3 to 4 games WILL be some acclimation and adjustment

[rollo]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 I imagine they've been simulating his presence in practice so the rooks know their place and his upon his return.

Just got back from lunch with my AD buddy and asked him specifically about your post and he said that the team is practicing as if Pierre isn't returning and focusing on one game at a time. If Pierre returns*, they'll work him in. But nobody, and he meant nobody, is looking, thinking, coaching or wondering about anything except tonite's opponent.

[San Diego Flyer]

By rightfully choosing to give minutes to all the newbies, the offense has come along slowly.

Dyshawn may not know the offense because as a system it's been AWOL. Motion, ball movement, and shot selection have suffered. Heck, there are times where I don't recognize the offense.

I would like to see Dyshawn, Kyle, Scoochie, Kendall, and either Bobby or Darrell run the offense for a half, so these young players can see how fluid it can really be. Yes, I would even leave Cooke out for that half.

[Archie MillerLite]

Pierre will be returning, it's 100% -- just a question of this year or redshirting being talked about behind closed doors!

Cheers!

[DGO67]

If I'm part of the recruiting team, I prefer Pierre's return asap (Dec 22?) because his presence could have a positive effect (more wins) this year which in turn catches the eyes of better prospects.
The coaching staff can assess whether his prolonged absence has significantly diminished his ability to reignite with the game plan and team, and opt to red-shirt.
But the biggest issue is which way Pierre leans? Return early and head to the pro draft in 2016 or red shirt and enjoy a run in the 2017 NCAA tournament?
I'll be in the stands for the Miami game and will let you know if he is in the lineup.

[Mrossi]

If I was Miller I would get a commitment for next year, makes more sense to play the full year rather then a 20 games?

[CE80]

Only 13 days to go. I think I will just wait and see what happens.

[Medford]

Its not like Pierre is back home eating bon-bons, waiting for his turn to come. I'm sure he's back home working on his game as much as he can. If his plan is to return to UD, I have to imagine he's chomping at the bit to get back into action. The team is currently in excellent position to earn an at large bid, and he can add to the performance of this squad. He's got 2/3 of the season ahead of him, if he chooses.

From both Pierre, this team and Archie's perspective, there is no guarantees for next season. What if Matta retires, or Louisville forces Pitino out? What if they go after Archie, what if Archie leaves? What if in the meantime, Cooke graduates and uses the 5th year graduate option and takes his talents to Arizona to play with Sean Miller? What if the coaching change causes some dissension and a handful of the frosh transfer out as well? What if Cuningham never recovers from his surgery? There is no guarantee that the team next season will be as good as the team this season, or constitute the players and coaching staff that we project at the moment.

This team has a huge need for Pierre to run the zone offense out of the top of the key, this is a team that can make a run in March, this is a team that is currently as healthy as it can be. Waiting till next season is hoping everything stays the course.

[San Diego Flyer]

I would want him now, but I'm sure he has a number of personal concerns either way. He just might want to graduate in the spring/summer and move on.

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Mrossi If I was Miller I would get a commitment for next year, makes more sense to play the full year rather then a 20 games?

If Pierre returns this year - he could play 30 games. And that is the only likely scenario of us getting to those additional 10 games.

[jack72]

It is 100% up to Pierre what he wants to do. I say he comes back now. Sitting this long must have torn him up, so he cannot foresee another year.

Do we miss him? Yes, big time. He can help with the zone offense, and give us some toughness, which we lacked against X and may tonight. He will play immediately as much as his conditioning allows.

[TA111]

It makes little sense for both Pierre and the team to sit out this year. First, it puts him a year behind where he wants to be , i.e., finishing school and playing ball overseas for money. Second, it would screw up the class make up of the team. If DP were to sit Utah this year and play next year we would have 5 seniors on next years team (all of whom would be major contributors) which would leave the following year somewhat short on experience. AM has to take into consideration the class make up.

[ruechalgrin]

Pierre is coming back this year, don't know how else to say it ....

[Tony T 71]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Pierre is coming back this year, don't know how else to say it ....

Link, source

[San Diego Flyer]

You almost have me convinced that you are not making a prediction, rather you KNOW for sure he is coming back. Trying to assess, when was the last year you were wrong on anything?

That does have bearing on whether I am ready to be all in.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by rollo Just got back from lunch with my AD buddy and asked him specifically about your post and he said that the team is practicing as if Pierre isn't returning and focusing on one game at a time. If Pierre returns*, they'll work him in. But nobody, and he meant nobody, is looking, thinking, coaching or wondering about anything except tonite's opponent.

Cool. Makes sense anyway. The best and easiest transition should be from the senior adjusting to the underclassmen and not vice-versa. Nice tidbit, thanks.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Pierre is coming back this year, don't know how else to say it ....

Pierre est de retour cette année

[hawkoooo]

Pierre va a regresar este ano

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer You almost have me convinced that you are not making a prediction, rather you KNOW for sure he is coming back. Trying to assess, when was the last year you were wrong on anything? That does have bearing on whether I am ready to be all in.

I do not think I was wrong on anything major the last years on this board. All I can say is that UD believes he is coming back and Pierre does as well; Pierre has no desire to redshirt. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but both sides expect him suiting up versus Miami.

[skip69]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin I do not think I was wrong on anything major the last years on this board. All I can say is that UD believes he is coming back and Pierre does as well; Pierre has no desire to redshirt. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but both sides expect him suiting up versus Miami.

I have rarely been 100% sure about anything, and only then if the situation was entirely under my control. I guess you must be DP's, AM's, and the new VP of Athletics best friends to be so positive about this (not to mention other topics on this board). What an ego!

[Medford]

It may not be ego, he may just know the right people.

[Sea Bass]

Discussion about Pierre on the Eye on College Basketball podcast. Norlander talked with Archie yesterday.

From Norlander:
-After the 20th they would sit down with DP and his family and make a decision
- DP may not immediately return to the floor due to conditioning and possible chemistry issues

TO sum it up
- it sounds like that a decision will be made about if he plays this year
- that even if he does play it is likely going to take time to work him into the rotation

My guess is that the discussion is going to be about if DP wants to sit out the remainder of the season or play this year. Because by the time he gets in the kind of condition Archie wants and gets acclimated to his teammates that half the season or more will have passed.

The discussion made it sound like DP is definitely coming back and reading between the lines I got the impression that when he plays is up in the air.

Supposedly Norlander is going to have another column on the Flyers up today.

[Sea Bass]

Miller went into detail about what's to come with Pierre's reintegration process. The suspension from school is lifted Dec. 20, and on that day Miller will likely sit down with Pierre and his family to put together a program for getting him back onto the team. Miller spoke of Pierre's "academic obligation" first and foremost, and also knows Pierre could physically not be up to Dayton's standards for playing. There's no assurance Pierre's going to be in game shape, and Miller will not risk messing up team dynamic and chemistry at the sake of throwing Pierre back into the lineup right after Christmas. "Then there's the mental component of being away," Miller said. "If there's one guy who can do it, it's him. We're going to do what's best for him. He has as chance to be a hell of a player, and for him it's not just this year. It's for down the road. We're not going to just throw him out there." "We'll keep the basketball team out of it, keep our season out if it, and look at him as his own entity right now," Miller said of Pierre. "He'll be champing at the bit to play. But it might not happen right aay. If it's going to take him until February 1 or 5 or 7 to get him into a rhythm, then I have one of the best players in the country that I just wasted [a month] of basketball on. I do think there's a chance he'll come back to play in January -- maybe late December -- depending on how he feels. I won't know anything until I meet him face to face."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...s-best-one-yet

[UDFlyer23]

I find it hard to believe there is any chance Pierre wants to redshirt the rest of the season. He's seen what this team is capable of and the sky is the limit if they are clicking on all cylinders come March. Why risk missing out on something special and hoping all the cards fall back into place next year, all while delaying your pro career?

As for Archie's comments, I think a lot of that is his way of limiting expectations of fans. Of course Pierre is not going to just pick up where he left off after missing all this practice time, but him not being physically in shape is rubbish. This guy has been working his tail off every day and is chomping at the bit. It may take a few weeks to get gel with his new teammates and the rotation, but don't forget he played more minutes with the junior class last year than anyone else and practiced with Cooke all season.

[rollo]

If Pierre saw yesterday's game and/or box score and didn't immediately think 'I need to be a part of this' then he's nothing short of a Royally selfish SOB.

[Archie MillerLite]

Just like I said -- source was correct!

[redscareRAM]

He also could be looking at this roster and sees that everyone has the ability to come back next year. And adding Josh Cunningham to the mix. Either way, this is one hell of a team.

[Sea Bass]

Pierre to return. Still up in the air if he plays this year.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ether-h/npg2T/

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 I find it hard to believe there is any chance Pierre wants to redshirt the rest of the season. He's seen what this team is capable of and the sky is the limit if they are clicking on all cylinders come March. Why risk missing out on something special and hoping all the cards fall back into place next year, all while delaying your pro career?

Maybe because he wants to graduate? The pro career, wherever that may be, will always be there. If he plays this year, I don't see how he gets his degree. Yes, he can always come back and finish, but let's be honest, he isn't from Dayton, so would he want to come back in say 5, 10 or 15 years to finish up? He won't have time to catch up in the Summer due to Summer Leagues and whatnot.

If Pierre comes back in top top shape, he still won't be in UD basketball shape. And from Archie's comments, it sure does not sound like he wants to waste a talent like Pierre if he won't be ready until the end of January. Still a lot to be decided. I'm good with either choice.

[FLYER5]

That's a great point, anthonycharles.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 I find it hard to believe there is any chance Pierre wants to redshirt the rest of the season. He's seen what this team is capable of and the sky is the limit if they are clicking on all cylinders come March. Why risk missing out on something special and hoping all the cards fall back into place next year, all while delaying your pro career? .

It's not like the "sky is the limit" team we have this season is going anywhere. This year is a tune up for next season. Our only active senior played 1 minute yesterday against Vandy. The more I think about it, the more I hope Pierre does redshirt and return next year for what could be a magical run.

[UDFlyer23]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan It's not like the "sky is the limit" team we have this season is going anywhere. This year is a tune up for next season. Our only active senior played 1 minute yesterday against Vandy. The more I think about it, the more I hope Pierre does redshirt and return next year for what could be a magical run.

I get this point and obviously next year we would be absolutely loaded. But that's all on paper. As we've seen over the years there are zero guarantees when it comes to injuries, transfers, suspensions, etc. Who would have ever thought this would have ever happened to Pierre this year?

Point I'm trying to make is that next year's team could be different than it appears now. What we know for certain is that our current team this season is poised to potentially have one of the best seasons in UD history and if they stay the course by the time Pierre comes back and gels in the offense, even if it's a month from now, the team will be immensley better than they are now and peaking in March to make a deep run.

At the end of the day it's Pierre's decision and I would support whatever is best for him, just giving my two cents.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan It's not like the "sky is the limit" team we have this season is going anywhere. This year is a tune up for next season. Our only active senior played 1 minute yesterday against Vandy. The more I think about it, the more I hope Pierre does redshirt and return next year for what could be a magical run.

I'll play the devil's advocate for a minute.

More likely that he never plays for the Flyers again if he sits. If this team makes another deep run, dare I say E8 or...better, the suitors may be [will be, who are we kidding] more enticing than last in regard to our coach and his current address. Reading today that his dislike for how the situation was handled by UD, has gone national, I'm hoping it's not a precursor to you know what. So give me Pierre now, because the near future is very uncertain.

Que Jack 72 saying, 'here we go again'

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 I get this point and obviously next year we would be absolutely loaded. But that's all on paper. As we've seen over the years there are zero guarantees when it comes to injuries, transfers, suspensions, etc. Who would have ever thought this would have ever happened to Pierre this year? .

I subscribe to this theory. We have a chance to have a very special ending to this season. When it comes to late season and tournaments, we can put a very experience team on the floor. And weird things can happen if we point everything to next season.

[jack72]

Oy vey, here we go again!
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[UDDoug]

Depends on when Miller says he is ready to play. If that is first of January he probably plays. If it is six weeks after that, I doubt he enters a game this year. Either way, we probably don't know what that goes till he gets in a game. I doubt there is any announcement other than he is readmitted and on the roster. I doubt any announcement is made about redshirt.
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[31770]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Pierre to return. Still up in the air if he plays this year. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ether-h/npg2T/

I will, to quote rolli, "sniff my own jock strap"and say I'm surprised DP is coming back. He is my favorite and i couldn't be happier, i just think after the lawsuit is odd

[Buster Goode]

LOL. He will play against Miami.

[Alberto Strasse]

Pierre has a much better chance to fit in at the start of next year than he does catching up to the progress this team has made so far this year. Should he return to the team on 12/22/15 he will sit a spell.

[Sea Bass]

Archie comments lead me to believe that they will evaluate him in practice before a decision is made about playing this year or next. They are not going to rush it.

[College B-Ball Fan]

I love senior day!

But when DP steps on the court for the first time this season (and I also agree it will be in the Miami game even if for only a couple minutes) it might be as loud an ovation for a single player during the course of a season that I've seen!

Again, I always expect that senior day each year will be very special but I'm anxious for the kid to get back on the court with his buddies!

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse Pierre has a much better chance to fit in at the start of next year than he does catching up to the progress this team has made so far this year. Should he return to the team on 12/22/15 he will sit a spell.

'True Team' means doing what best for everyone, and what's best for everyone is strengthening this team.

There are no guarantees for Pierre and/or UD next season. Especially if you're watching the mess of a basketball team being fielded at tOSU.

[flybye]

Agree with Rollo. Coach Speak. He is probably in better shape than anyone on the team just doing his workouts. Game shape will take a few games but he is a senior. If I am Pierre...What if Archie leaves...what is my playing time with Josh active...On the Dayton side, the freshman will be better next year. If Pollard sprains his ankle and DP is sitting there in street clothes the Faithful are not happy WIN NOW...Tomorrow is promised to no one. Frees up a scholly for next year. He will play this year.

[rollo]

flybye, how can someone so intelligent have so many red pips?

[jack72]

All coach speak by Archie. Pierre will play immediately as much as his conditioning allows him. He will not get up to speed just practicing or watching on the bench.

The biggest question is when will he be allowed to practice?

[Atlantic 10]

He has played under Archie for 3 years, nothing new to learn as in offense and defense schemes. He plays this year

[Medford]

I believe all coaches use coach speak, some more than others, and Archie seems to use it less often than most I've heard. Personally, I think its Archie sending a message to both Pierre and the fans thru the media, if the fans or Pierre thinks he is just going to waltz in here and resume his old roll they've got another thing coming.

Pierre is going to have to garner his minutes the old fashioned way, he's going to "earnnnnn... them"

Privately, I have little doubt, and I think Archie has little doubt that Pierre will earn those minutes. It will take a few games to get back into game shape, but I'll be shocked if he's not playing against Miami.

[flybye]

Chemistry will come. The conditioning thing is funny, just watch Steve and Sam, Steve is still begging to come out and Sam is spent pretty quick. DP will be a horse!!!

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by jack72 All coach speak by Archie. Pierre will play immediately as much as his conditioning allows him. He will not get up to speed just practicing or watching on the bench. The biggest question is when will he be allowed to practice?

Absolutely coachspeak. I don't think he makes more than maybe a cameo in the Miami game. Why risk injury.

[UDFlyer23]

Those saying that Pierre needs time to adjust and fit into the current team seem to be forgetting that he has played more minutes with the Junior class than anyone else on the team and practiced with Cooke all of last season. Those 4 are going to be the guys he will be on the court with the most.

If anything, the freshmen need to adjust to Pierre, and with him back on the court their minutes will be less than they are now so it's even less of an issue.

Archie knows what he's doing. There are no guarantees for next season. How often have we said wait until next year? We have the team now to make a deep run THIS year. Not many teams get the chance to add their best player onto the team halfway through the season. From what we've seen out of this team already plus Pierre in the mix, watch out A10.

[San Diego Flyer]

I don't think Arch will rush him. We'll probably see Dyshawn in the second half of the Miami game.

[lhsgolf19]

I still can't believe we have a chance to go 9-1 in his absence and 3 "BCS" Scalps, I know we have two more hurdles to go, especially a big one on Saturday. It's remarkable.

If you told me that before the year, I would have laughed ha

[31770]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 He has played under Archie for 3 years, nothing new to learn as in offense and defense schemes. He plays this year

this is so absolutely wrong... do you think the schemes playing with no one over 6-6 and the schemes playing with big steve are the same???? Do you think you run the same sets you did for JS you would run for the chef? I love cook but he doesn't shoot three's like JS. There is a lot of new things learn.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by flybye Chemistry will come. The conditioning thing is funny, just watch Steve and Sam, Steve is still begging to come out and Sam is spent pretty quick. DP will be a horse!!!

I agree, but one of the caveats of what Archie had to say was "no one can simulate what we do in practice" in response to a question about when he'll be ready. I agree that he'll dang sure be more physical than those two, and maaay be be in as good of game shape, but his ligaments and tendons, those of non-weight-bearing injury type, probably haven't felt the reps these guys have.

I really can't see him in anything more than a glorified substitute role the first few games back, especially with regard to the chemistry issue. It is all speculation but the one constant is that Archie brings his players along the right way. Even if he doesn't play he makes the team better the day he can first practice with them.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by 31770 this is so absolutely wrong... do you think the schemes playing with no one over 6-6 and the schemes playing with big steve are the same???? Do you think you run the same sets you did for JS you would run for the chef? I love cook but he doesn't shoot three's like JS. There is a lot of new things learn.

I guess we will disagree, so Archie has changed every offense and defense set. Which is total bull. Sit back and watch,we are not talking about some freshman who just walk on campus

[Medford]

In the end, talent often trumps Xs & Os. Pierre, at this juncture is a better "Jimmy 'n Joe" than Miller or Williams; he will see playing time. I'm sure there are many new wrinkles, he'll pick those up as well. If this remains "true team" and doesn't turn into "me team" the addition of Pierre will do nothing but help. It may be a challenge for Archie to convince a few players to take a few less minutes a game; I have little doubt that he accomplishes that goal.

[lhsgolf19]

John Bedell ‏@JBedellWHIO · 3m3 minutes ago
U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Rose has ruled in favor of UD, *denying Pierre's request for an injunction. @whiotv @WHIORadio

Flyer News ‏@FlyerNews · 2m2 minutes ago
According to @JoshSweigart, judge Thomas Rose ruled against Dyshawn Pierre this morning in his quest for an injunction of his suspension.

Guys, I'm sorry, do you think this changes anything?

[Flyer 86]

Who's to say he isn't running 8 miles a day, and playing ball 5 times a week in Canada? How do you know what type of shape he's in?

Can't wait!!!

[steve]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 I guess we will disagree, so Archie has changed every offense and defense set. Which is total bull. Sit back and watch,we are not talking about some freshman who just walk on campus

Agree 100% with you.....Look, DP has played for AM 3 years...Knows the basics of his system like I know the ingredients in a Miller Lite..DP has played "with" 3 already existing starters for over 70 games now...

Nobody is saying that DP will step in game 1 and get 30-35 minutes...Nobody said he'll start game 1 but it all depends far more on the shape he is in..I guarantee you that DP is doing far more things than just lifting and running..He's probably doing BB related skills against very good players in practice and many of the same things that AM has put him thru for 3 years....

The key here is what AM said that "if" anybody can do it it's DP..........Well, I'll venture to say he's in tremendous shape, will get at least a week of full practice in BF even the Arkansas game and should he sit that one out in street clothes then another 2-3 practices on top of that for the A10 opener..

I'll still stand by what I said that by his 2nd game back in actual uniform he'll be starting. Might not be right at 30 plus minutes as I originally said..

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 Who's to say he isn't running 8 miles a day, and playing ball 5 times a week in Canada? How do you know what type of shape he's in? Can't wait!!!

Not me. He's shown a great work ethic in regard to his workout regimen.

I don't know first-hand, that's for sure.
He could be in great physical shape and I expect he's at least close with his own training.

The 'cutting' at game speed is my [small] concern until he's practiced a while.
I realize that Archie's top concern is preparation, so I'm not worried. However I feel that some coaches would play him right out of the gate with little regard for his physical well-being, in regard to training they may have done on their own.
Go Flyers!

[cj]

WHIO just reported that DP will return on 12/20. Not sure about playing until talking with DP and his family.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...npg2T/?source=[object Object]

[flyrsmedic]

IMHO....he will redshirt the remainder of this year. Why waste his entire senior year on playing 1/2 to 1/3 of the schedule. He may be in good physical shape, but is he in basketball shape. They have proven that they can win without him. Lets have him back for a full campaign next year with this current roster with a year experience under their belts and be preseason ranked in the top 15.

[steve]

Originally Posted by flyrsmedic IMHO....he will redshirt the remainder of this year. Why waste his entire senior year on playing 1/2 to 1/3 of the schedule. He may be in good physical shape, but is he in basketball shape. They have proven that they can win without him. Lets have him back for a full campaign next year with this current roster with a year experience under their belts and be preseason ranked in the top 15.

They have proven they can win thru 8 games only...Everything gets tougher from here on out with A10 play and certainly more meaningful, certainly tougher with the A10 tourney, and far tougher with the NCAA tourney.....

There a huge chance that UD could end up playing 35-37 games this season should they be at optimal and peak performance and, imho, that has a far far far greater chance of happening with DP contributing and getting to play in 24-25 of them is still 80% of a season for plenty of teams..

Who knows what happens next year? Do a couple players transfer out? Do any core guys get hurt? Does anybody have academic or off-the-court issues? Is AM thrown a 3-4 mm contract by a school he admires?

[DGO67]

Red shirt has considerable downside...all of which have been posted with clarity in this thread.
Pierre will be back on Dec 22 for the Miami game (heard it from good source), he'll be ready (ditto previous bracket) and he will play (ditto again).
Bonus: Pierre goes pro in '16 and UD recruiting gets a kiss.

[NorthwestFlyer]

?, since he missed a semester, does he have one semester of eligibility left after this spring, or is it redshirt or bust?

[San Diego Flyer]

If you asked a 100 ball players in Dyshawn's position right now, would you want to play right now knowing your team is likely to play a total of 32 games, and you have missed 10 of them, probably 98 would want to play now. This 10 game suspension had to be agonizing for the player. I can't imagine sitting out the remainder of games this season, but still practicing and traveling with the team. What a freaking torture chamber.

Maybe as a Freshman, or even a Sophomore, you would do that to get stronger. Not as a Senior.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by rollo 'True Team' means doing what best for everyone, and what's best for everyone is strengthening this team. There are no guarantees for Pierre and/or UD next season. Especially if you're watching the mess of a basketball team being fielded at tOSU.

OSU is not firing Matta anytime soon. If Matta walks, that is another story. I may be naive, but I don't see Matta walking after this year.

[DGO67]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer If you asked a 100 ball players in Dyshawn's position right now, would you want to play right now knowing your team is likely to play a total of 32 games, and you have missed 10 of them, probably 98 would want to play now. This 10 game suspension had to be agonizing for the player. I can't imagine sitting out the remainder of games this season, but still practicing and traveling with the team. What a freaking torture chamber. Maybe as a Freshman, or even a Sophomore, you would do that to get stronger. Not as a Senior.

You hit the nail on the head...time IS of the essence because seniors are nearly out of it. Plus, strike (bring on Pierre) while the iron is hot, and our Flyers are hot!!!

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer ?, since he missed a semester, does he have one semester of eligibility left after this spring, or is it redshirt or bust?

Redshirt or bust. Eligibility is not be semester. It is by season. Any part of a season played uses a year of eligibility except for the medical redshirt.
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[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles OSU is not firing Matta anytime soon. If Matta walks, that is another story. I may be naive, but I don't see Matta walking after this year.

People have to realize he is playing 7 freshman and 4 sophomore on this team, not going anywhere. He loves coaching

[San Diego Flyer]

Archie would coach all in--- up to his last breath as a Flyer, even if he was leaving tomorrow. He would not leave a "hot mess" for the next guy, nor an empty cupboard. And he would honor his contract, not to be confused with staying until 2022. There are appropriate out-clauses for a price.

So how many underclassmen, his record, his unrelenting dedication are no indication of his personal direction or timing. At the right time, it will just simply happen.

[tirebiter]

I say make hay while the sun shines!

Welcome back Mr. Pierre!

[rollo]

Originally Posted by rollo If Pierre saw yesterday's game and/or box score and didn't immediately think 'I need to be a part of this' then he's nothing short of a Royally selfish SOB.

If Pierre saw yesterday's game and/or box score and didn't immediately think 'I need to help this team' then he's nothing short of a Royally selfish SOB.

[Beatty Town Coach]

Dear ryan miller, please put your effort into superseding my expectations; and spend no more time attempting to manage them.

Thank you,
Beatty Town Coach

[ud69]

Currently watching on Fox News a 1 hour documentary with Martha MacCollum called "The Truth About Sex and College".

Really goes into detail about how the college sexual assault rules came about - and how the guilty until proven innocent mindset has developed. Has several interviews with guys who got into exactly the same situation that Pierre did. Well worth watching.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by rollo If Pierre saw yesterday's game and/or box score and didn't immediately think 'I need to help this team' then he's nothing short of a Royally selfish SOB.

I'd think that considering the sideshow he's been made part of, he doesn't owe UD a thing. He got a scholarship to play - he played. The university said it didn't want him around this last semester and he wasn't. If both he and UD want him to play the rest of this season, he will. If he has allegiance to his teammates, that's terrific.

I think it's amazing that after the process he's been through, whether or not you think his case was justly adjudicated, anyone could label him "a Royally selfish SOB." Any fan who thinks that needs to look in the mirror first.

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by ud69 Currently watching on Fox News a 1 hour documentary with Martha MacCollum called "The Truth About Sex and College". Really goes into detail about how the college sexual assault rules came about - and how the guilty until proven innocent mindset has developed. Has several interviews with guys who got into exactly the same situation that Pierre did. Well worth watching.

Dear Colleague letter that the schools got from the civil rights dept, I believe in 2011. The accused is screwed in front of pannel, when he or she tries to present evidence. Like text message or messages from social media between the 2 is not allowed