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Scoochie gets it -- all about the cash. His reaction to UD first four game is priceless!

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The four advantages of the BE over the A10 were money, tv, tougher opponents, and public perception.

-I bet the BE tv money goes significantly down at the next negotiation

-the BE tv package is better IMO, wider availability/wider access/greater viewership

-if UD can toughen its SOS, then the tougher SOS that would be made possible by being in the BE will be made into less of an issue

-and finally, there is nothing that can be done regarding public perception other than to keep on winning.

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The BE and A10 are as close to being on par as any two conferences in the land. They just had a better OOC record than the A10 this year. I predict more bids for the A10 and fewer bids for the BE next year.
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The BE and A10 are as close to being on par as any two conferences in the land. They just had a better OOC record than the A10 this year. I predict more bids for the A10 and fewer bids for the BE next year.
The A10 got three bids this year. 2014-15 should have been an "off year" since I heard one of the talking heads say the conference lost 18 of its top 22 players from the year before.

Three bids in an off year. I'll take it.
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The A10 got three bids this year. 2014-15 should have been an "off year" since I heard one of the talking heads say the conference lost 18 of its top 22 players from the year before.

Three bids in an off year. I'll take it.
I agree. But who knows, maybe four bids was an off year for the Big East last year. We'll find out over the next several years. I still think the Big East will get more bids than the A-10 year in and year out, especially if/when they expand.
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Big East....

Rather interesting discussion on the expansion thread this AM started/continued by a guy who I believe has connections to butler's program about some changes to the Big EAST 16/17!

Who knows whether he has valid info or not! But..........could be getting rather interesting! Trying to check but some posters are calling the guy a troll! Don't believe he's one of our fans though?

Anybody?

http://holylandofhoops.com/forum/vie...700e7&start=20

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Originally Posted by College B-Ball Fan View Post
Rather interesting discussion on the expansion thread this AM started/continued by a guy who I believe has connections to butler's program about some changes to the Big EAST 16/17!

Who knows whether he has valid info or not! But..........could be getting rather interesting! Trying to check but some posters are calling the guy a troll! Don't believe he's one of our fans though?

Anybody?

http://holylandofhoops.com/forum/vie...700e7&start=20
If you have been following Conference Realignment like I have, you would not take anything to a random guy on a forum has. There are so many people claiming to be insiders and they always have been wrong. Just take something like this with a really small grain on salt, if that even exist.
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For everybody who is keeping score on the WNBA draftees, that's:

A10 - 3 players drafted
Big East - 1 player drafted


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For everybody who is keeping score on the WNBA draftees, that's:

A10 - 3 players drafted
Big East - 1 player drafted


Just sayin'
Tim Wabler just sent a telegram to the Big East that said go screw with your WNBA stats attached.
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The thing that drove me the most nuts about the Atlantic Ten was the TV deal, and the programs that just weren't on board with basketball (particularly Fordham) syphoning off the teams that were.

It makes no sense that the Missouri Valley gets twice as much per school as the Atlantic Ten does. I don't know this for a fact, but when the A10 signed that ridiculous deal, I suspect the reason they couldn't get a better one is because the so-called (and correctly called) bottom feeders wouldn't agree to a deal where they were given less exposure.

I'm now of the opinion that signing deals with networks that are predominantly on the premium tier is bad for college basketball. At first I was excited because I've always maxed out my satellite package, and the more games that were on Yes, and Fox Sports Net, and Versus (now NBC Sports) and CSTV (now CBS Sports), and all of that meant more games for me. What I didn't realize is that the casual fans don't get those channels, and aren't going to pay for them. When a TV deal forbids games to be on free to air networks for the simple reason that they want to strong arm customers into subscribing to the premium channels, that turns fans off and drives ratings down. I think that's what's happened across the board. There are schools who's campus cable package doesn't even include the channels that their teams are contracted with.

I said this at the time, and I still feel this way. The Atlantic Ten had a stronger core of teams than the Big East did at the time, but the Big East worked together and we did not. Xavier, Dayton, Butler, SLU, VCU and Richmond were better than what was then the C7. We could have left the A10, added two or three more teams (Creighton, Wichita State), signed a good TV deal that made sense AND allowed the local free to air NBC, Fox or CBS affiliates to broadcast the games, and negotiated a decent amount of money. Perhaps not as much as the Big East currently gets, but a lot more than what we were getting at the time, and perhaps maybe even the same amount. Fox and NBC both needed content, and may have been willing to pay close to as much to get it.

But, that's neither here nor there anymore.

I know people don't like the Big East, and I don't blame them, but it's not good for the sport to have a basketball centric conference with ten teams in big cities where six of them make the NCAA Tournament, and seven of them were in the top 25 at some point during the season have such pitiful ratings. It's also not good that another basketball centric conference like the Atlantic Ten is predominantly buried on premium networks and makes so little money. If we really want to be successful as basketball centric institutions, then the schools that are basketball centric need to do a better job of working together. I think that's something that the Power Five football conferences have done a much better job off than...well.....literally everyone else who is not a Power Five school.

I'd go so far to say that schools with hockey teams have done a much better job of working together and growing the sport of hockey than what the basketball centric schools have doen throughout this whole mess.
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This won't ever happen because everyone who could make it happen is to narcissistic to see how this would be a good idea, but.....

There are 44 teams in the four best basketball centric conferences (West Coast, Big East, Atlantic Ten, Missouri Valley). The West Coast kinda has a good thing going.

As for the 34 schools in the other three leagues, they could do a lot more to work together.

They could realign into four conferences with true round robins and a structure that enhances both regional and traditional rivalries.

We could call it the Basketball Five. Actually, that's a bad name. We'd need a less stupid name, but you get the idea. I just can't think of anything else right now.

Get creative. Have "Challenges" to kick off the season where conferences are matched up against one another. Do a bracket buster type format later in the year where it's an unscheduled game, but the best teams will be matched up against each other in late February.

COLLECTIVELY negotiate a TV deal. With 44 teams, we could negotiate a very impressive TV deal that involves more than one major network, and would ensure not just money, but exposure.

In case you haven't noticed by my other posts in other threads, I think college basketball could be and should be so much better. The biggest basketball centric schools coming together and deciding that they all want to work together to make college basketball better would be great for the game, and for the schools. I really believe that.

I'm also under no delusions whatsoever that it will ever happen.
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As for the 34 schools in the other three leagues, they could do a lot more to work together.

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Good idea brew, sadly those that matter do not listen to the good ideas.

Taking your idea above one step further, trim the fat in the three remaining conferences, and create two confereneces with 14 or 16 teams each, split into two divisions each with round robin player in their divisioin and crossover to the other division.
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XuBrews ideas are solid but you are right they will never happen. There is no reason that UD and like minded institutions cannot form a virtual basketball conference which plays games in the preseason and market a package of those games. The biggest issue is that if you all played round robin in the preseason then you could only have one team from each conference. But if you had 4 teams doing a home and home that would be a twelve game package you could sell.

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This won't ever happen because everyone who could make it happen is to narcissistic to see how this would be a good idea, but.....

There are 44 teams in the four best basketball centric conferences (West Coast, Big East, Atlantic Ten, Missouri Valley). The West Coast kinda has a good thing going.

As for the 34 schools in the other three leagues, they could do a lot more to work together.

They could realign into four conferences with true round robins and a structure that enhances both regional and traditional rivalries.

We could call it the Basketball Five. Actually, that's a bad name. We'd need a less stupid name, but you get the idea. I just can't think of anything else right now.

Get creative. Have "Challenges" to kick off the season where conferences are matched up against one another. Do a bracket buster type format later in the year where it's an unscheduled game, but the best teams will be matched up against each other in late February.

COLLECTIVELY negotiate a TV deal. With 44 teams, we could negotiate a very impressive TV deal that involves more than one major network, and would ensure not just money, but exposure.

In case you haven't noticed by my other posts in other threads, I think college basketball could be and should be so much better. The biggest basketball centric schools coming together and deciding that they all want to work together to make college basketball better would be great for the game, and for the schools. I really believe that.

I'm also under no delusions whatsoever that it will ever happen.
The bigger reason it won't happen is normal human greed. The reason you don't see megadeals like this is that there are too many participants acting on behalf of their own individual good instead of the collective, long term good. So it's easy for a "have not" network to pick off a plumb conference, make a better deal, and then you drop down to a smaller number in the package.

It's why bridges to nowhere get built.
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As long as I've been pushing for and hoping that UD ends up in the Big East, the success we've had in recent years has made that feeling a little less urgent. For me, it's about three things:

1) More than basketball, the Big East puts us in a conference with what I believe are our peer institutions, certainly more so than the Atlantic 10 (other than SLU). On the basketball side of things, I think that this fact would open up the potential for much more interesting in-conference games and the development of new and rekindling of old rivalries. It's hard to get excited about many of the Atlantic 10 opponents that we play.

2) Obviously the money would be much better for us in the Big East. There's not much that needs to be said about this. (Incidentally, I'm not sure there'd be a significant improvement in national television exposure for us.)

3) The Atlantic 10 is not a bad league at all for us, but lack of rivalries and lack of money aside, there's too much deadweight dragging it down. If we're here for the long-haul, it's time to push some of these schools to either take their basketball programs more seriously or find a new home.
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Good idea brew, sadly those that matter do not listen to the good ideas.

Taking your idea above one step further, trim the fat in the three remaining conferences, and create two confereneces with 14 or 16 teams each, split into two divisions each with round robin player in their divisioin and crossover to the other division.
Take a gander at the HolyLandofHoops message board and you'll quickly understand why this will never happen. The arrogance of fans at schools like DePaul, Creighton, Seton Hall, Providence, and St. John's is astounding. Other than Villanova, Georgetown, and Xavier (and maybe Marquette and Butler), the fans of the rest of those schools are delusional and living in the past. They're perfectly happy riding the coattails of the schools that have been consistently successful at the highest levels in recent years and keeping as much money as they can for themselves. They fail to realize that, in a lot of ways, the Big East and its members are much more similar to the Atlantic 10, MVC, etc. than they are to the B1G, ACC, etc. I think that they're going to be in for a rude awakening the next time their television contract comes up. They cashed in on the name this first time around, but the value of their product and even the landscape of college athletics is likely to be much different in a few years.

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The arrogance of fans at schools...the fans of the rest of those schools are delusional and living in the past.
True, but the fans aren't the ones making the decisions. Don't get all hot and bothered by what the fans say. Sober, rational decisions are being made by administrators and network executives. (Now, if they're delusional too, that's a problem. But I'm willing to bet they didn't achieve lofty positions by having their heads in the sand.)
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True, but the fans aren't the ones making the decisions. Don't get all hot and bothered by what the fans say. Sober, rational decisions are being made by administrators and network executives. (Now, if they're delusional too, that's a problem. But I'm willing to bet they didn't achieve lofty positions by having their heads in the sand.)
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As long as I've been pushing for and hoping that UD ends up in the Big East, the success we've had in recent years has made that feeling a little less urgent. For me, it's about three things:

1) More than basketball, the Big East puts us in a conference with what I believe are our peer institutions, certainly more so than the Atlantic 10 (other than SLU). On the basketball side of things, I think that this fact would open up the potential for much more interesting in-conference games and the development of new and rekindling of old rivalries. It's hard to get excited about many of the Atlantic 10 opponents that we play.
Both VCU and Wichita St. Are candidates for NBE expansion. The institutional fit argument is weak at best.

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2) Obviously the money would be much better for us in the Big East. There's not much that needs to be said about this. (Incidentally, I'm not sure there'd be a significant improvement in national television exposure for us.)
The money will be much better only if we stop winning NCAA tournament games. In the A10, the team keeps 75% of that revenue. Not so in the NBE. If the move to the NBE puts us near the bottom of that league, we might wind up making less money. Also don't forget that the ratings of NBE games on FS1 are out of whack with the size of that contract. All in all, I think we are in a great shape financially, and in no need of the NBE or anyone else to improve our finances.

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3) The Atlantic 10 is not a bad league at all for us, but lack of rivalries and lack of money aside, there's too much deadweight dragging it down. If we're here for the long-haul, it's time to push some of these schools to either take their basketball programs more seriously or find a new home.
I agree that some of the schools in the NBE could be good rivalry games for us. Those rivalries were born in an environment where the teams were not in a conference together. Some of those rivalries can be revived as OOC games. However, it takes two to tango, and if those schools chose not to play us, why the hell should we be clamor in to go join them in that conference?

We are doing great without them.
We are better than them.
We don't need them or that conference to be successful.
Let's enjoy our success, stay the course for a few years and see what happens.
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Frisco, if we are better than them, why would be be at the bottom of the league should we move?
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One argument for joining the New Big Least would be the upgrade in competition in the non-revenue sports - particularly men's and women's soccer. The NB(L)E put three teams in the men's final coaches poll, and two teams in the women's final top 25. The Flyers women's basketball and volleyball would be the odds-on favorite to win in either conference, though the NB(L)E might offer some slight improvement RPI-wise.

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Both VCU and Wichita St. Are candidates for NBE expansion. The institutional fit argument is weak at best.
Meh, maybe, but I'll stand by my claim that even in athletic affiliation it's beneficial for schools to try to be with their institutional peers.

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The money will be much better only if we stop winning NCAA tournament games. In the A10, the team keeps 75% of that revenue. Not so in the NBE. If the move to the NBE puts us near the bottom of that league, we might wind up making less money. Also don't forget that the ratings of NBE games on FS1 are out of whack with the size of that contract. All in all, I think we are in a great shape financially, and in no need of the NBE or anyone else to improve our finances.
I've heard this before but never seen numbers. Not saying you're wrong, it certainly sounds plausible, but do you have any numbers? Also are we to assume that multiple win NCAA Tournament appearances are the norm?
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One argument for joining the New Big Least would be the upgrade in competition in the non-revenue sports - particularly men's and women's soccer. The NB(L)E put three teams in the men's final coaches poll, and two teams in the women's final top 25. The Flyers women's basketball and volleyball would be the odds-on favorite to win in either conference, though the NB(L)E might offer some slight improvement RPI-wise.

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Then there's that. For a while we were competing at a high level in baseball as well, which is another sport where Big East affiliation would be a step up.
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Both VCU and Wichita St. Are candidates for NBE expansion. The institutional fit argument is weak at best.
None of us has the slightest idea what the presidents' criteria for membership are. However, if public schools were welcome, Xavier, Butler, and VCU would be in the BE right now. VCU of two years ago had a better resume than Creighton and made a whole lot more sense geographically. Maybe that litmus test no longer exists when the BE expands next time, but I'd be surprised.


The money will be much better only if we stop winning NCAA tournament games. In the A10, the team keeps 75% of that revenue.
UD would have to win three games every single year, earning four units, to get (4 x 1.5 million x 75% = $4.5 million) the same money that BE teams get from their TV contract.

Some of those rivalries can be revived as OOC games.
Yeah, because that's happening now.

However, it takes two to tango, and if those schools chose not to play us, why the hell should we be clamor in to go join them in that conference?
Better institutional fit, better academics, better SOS, better rivalries, better money, better chance to dance, better attendance, better recruiting chances in fertile northeast and midwest cities, to name "a few."


We are doing great without them.
Yes.

We are better than half of them.
FYP.

We don't need them or that conference to be successful.
Agreed.

Let's enjoy our success, stay the course for a few years and see what happens.
Agreed. Nobody's going anywhere for a little while anyway.
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Both VCU and Wichita St. Are candidates for NBE expansion. The institutional fit argument is weak at best.


The money will be much better only if we stop winning NCAA tournament games. In the A10, the team keeps 75% of that revenue. Not so in the NBE. If the move to the NBE puts us near the bottom of that league, we might wind up making less money. Also don't forget that the ratings of NBE games on FS1 are out of whack with the size of that contract. All in all, I think we are in a great shape financially, and in no need of the NBE or anyone else to improve our finances.
Can you explain where you got that information?? Serious question. I've long been trying to figure out how the Atlantic Ten shares its NCAA Tournament Revenue because it doesn't seem to make any sense.

As best I can figure out, the more tournament games a team has won since it has been in the league, the more money they get. Yet, somehow Duquesne who has never won an NCAA Tournament game since being in the Atlantic Ten, is getting more money than Dayton. Duquesne always seemed to get more than Xavier did as well, which never made any sense and was another point of frustration with the Atlantic Ten.

Fordham is getting the same amount of money as Dayton. Rhode Island, Saint Joe's and UMass are all getting more. How is that?? Why is that?? Xavier and Butler are still getting money from the Atlantic Ten, which makes no sense, but they are.

I don't know how it works. What I do know is that Dayton and Xavier never got a fair cut, even though Xavier earned the league quite a bit, and Dayton is now earning the league quite a bit, but is getting less than Duquesne and as much as Fordham, who have never earned the league anything. How much a team earns seems to have very little to do with how much they actually get.

Scroll down to the bottom. You'll see a chart for all the conferences that outlined what all the schools have earned versus what they actually received. The Atlantic Ten appears to be noticeably out of whack when you scroll down the list. The green bars represent the teams. YOu have to scroll over them to get the information.

I still say the six teams I mentioned earlier should have left this league and done our own thing a long time ago. There are schools in the A10 that I like, but I never did like the league's leadership and was for leaving long ago....

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/20...sketball-fund/

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Can you explain where you got that information?? Serious question. I've long been trying to figure out how the Atlantic Ten shares its NCAA Tournament Revenue because it doesn't seem to make any sense.

As best I can figure out, the more tournament games a team has won since it has been in the league, the more money they get. Yet, somehow Duquesne who has never won an NCAA Tournament game since being in the Atlantic Ten, is getting more money than Dayton. Duquesne always seemed to get more than Xavier did as well, which never made any sense and was another point of frustration with the Atlantic Ten.

Fordham is getting the same amount of money as Dayton. Rhode Island, Saint Joe's and UMass are all getting more. How is that?? Why is that?? Xavier and Butler are still getting money from the Atlantic Ten, which makes no sense, but they are.

I don't know how it works. What I do know is that Dayton and Xavier never got a fair cut, even though Xavier earned the league quite a bit, and Dayton is now earning the league quite a bit, but is getting less than Duquesne and as much as Fordham, who have never earned the league anything. How much a team earns seems to have very little to do with how much they actually get.

Scroll down to the bottom. You'll see a chart for all the conferences that outlined what all the schools have earned versus what they actually received. The Atlantic Ten appears to be noticeably out of whack when you scroll down the list. The green bars represent the teams. YOu have to scroll over them to get the information.

I still say the six teams I mentioned earlier should have left this league and done our own thing a long time ago. There are schools in the A10 that I like, but I never did like the league's leadership and was for leaving long ago....

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/20...sketball-fund/


The 75-25 split, and its implications for revenue, were discussed on the A10 board when the NBE formed. I cannot vouch for accuracy because I don't know anything first hand, but I have no reason to doubt it either. Here's the thread on the A10 board:

http://www.basketballforum.com/atlan...caa-units.html
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Thanks. That's the first time I've ever seen that figure, and I question whether or not it's accurate simply because it doesn't seem to match what's being paid out. The rules seem to be different for all the teams. Maybe for one of the teams it is 75 percent, but that never seemed to be the percentage that Xavier or Dayton ever got.
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Brew - one thing to keep in mind about the Bloomberg graph is Dayton just started hitting on the Units, so their payout will rise next year in respect to their performance this year. We were't getting much before our performance in 2014, so it will take several more years before we see all the payouts for the past two years.
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So, just saw Chris Mack & one of his assistants in the airport Marriott in Philly. I asked the assistant when they were going to play Dayton again and he said "hopefully never unless they get in the Big East." He admitted it was a good rivalry, then said UD may get in, but that the league is working well with 10 right now. I asked him if he was yanking my chain about UD and the Big East & he said he's heard rumors to that effect.

So, X doesn't want to play UD & there is a chance UD could eventually get an invite.
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Yet, somehow Duquesne who has never won an NCAA Tournament game since being in the Atlantic Ten, is getting more money than Dayton. Duquesne always seemed to get more than Xavier did as well, which never made any sense and was another point of frustration with the Atlantic Ten.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/20...sketball-fund/
Brew,

Here's my take: While the Bloomberg data states "1991-2015" it appears that this last season is not included. Dayton played in nine NCAA games between 1995 (the year we joined the A10) and 2014, thus we earned 9 units. Since 1995, we've also received 9.3 distributed units from other teams in the league, so Dayton received 9+9.3=18.3 units for this timeframe. Duquesne has been a member of the A10 longer than UD, so the units earned by other A10 teams from 1991-1994 also add up to give Duquesne its total of 12.3 units. So Dayton's payout (based on 18.3 units) is in fact larger than Duquesne's, as it should be. I also had one other excellent point to make but I completely forgot what it was.
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Believe the Bloomberg chart is total payouts since 1991. Flyers were late comers to the NCAA victory parade. some of the older members, or x members, have been collecting since '91.
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So, X doesn't want to play UD...
Yep, I believe that they are not interested in ever playing UD again.
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So, just saw Chris Mack & one of his assistants in the airport Marriott in Philly. I asked the assistant when they were going to play Dayton again and he said "hopefully never unless they get in the Big East." He admitted it was a good rivalry, then said UD may get in, but that the league is working well with 10 right now. I asked him if he was yanking my chain about UD and the Big East & he said he's heard rumors to that effect.

So, X doesn't want to play UD & there is a chance UD could eventually get an invite.
That's pretty much what the new X AD said in a televised interview a year or two back.

And who knows what the NBE presidents think? Their Creighton decision as outlined in the Omaha paper's article seemed to be totally serendipity and followed no particular logic except maybe, "Hey, here's a fellow Jesuit school we can steer some money to."

Since Georgetown (Jesuit) pretty much calls the shots and the Creighton president was also on the Marquette board of trustees, Creighton was a slam dunk.
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Thanks. That's the first time I've ever seen that figure, and I question whether or not it's accurate simply because it doesn't seem to match what's being paid out. The rules seem to be different for all the teams. Maybe for one of the teams it is 75 percent, but that never seemed to be the percentage that Xavier or Dayton ever got.
The Bloomberg charts are based on if the conference was to split money evenly among teams, which the A10 does not.

From the article:
"A conference can divide up the money however it wants, but the NCAA suggests schools evenly split the payout, and most conferences follow the recommendation. "

"The chart below compares how much schools have earned for their conference and how much they've gotten back. It assumes conferences equally split their basketball fund revenue like the NCAA suggests. "
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The posters on the Holy Land Of Hoops are still pretty much convinced that UConn and Gonzaga will be the 11th and 12th teams to be added (if the NBE ever did expand) which, of course, it won't. But then, after that there's always BYU and Memphis or Wichita State waiting anxiously in the wings.

Can you say "delusional" boys and girls?
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The posters on the Holy Land Of Hoops are still pretty much convinced that UConn and Gonzaga will be the 11th and 12th teams to be added (if the NBE ever did expand) which, of course, it won't. But then, after that there's always BYU and Memphis or Wichita State waiting anxiously in the wings.

Can you say "delusional" boys and girls?
I have heard BYU is looking to put it's football program back in a conference. They did not have the success or exposure they thought they were going to get when they left the MTN West. From the way it sounds, they thought they were going to be the west coast Notre Dame and that didn't happen. If the Big12 finally goes back to 12, don't be surprised if BYU is on of the teams added.

As for UConn, they have dumped way to much money into their football stadium and program to park it in the MAC or back to FCS which is what the BE fans want to happen. If UConn leaves the American it will be for the ACC or BIG...not the BE.
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The posters on the Holy Land Of Hoops are still pretty much convinced that UConn and Gonzaga will be the 11th and 12th teams to be added (if the NBE ever did expand) which, of course, it won't. But then, after that there's always BYU and Memphis or Wichita State waiting anxiously in the wings.

Can you say "delusional" boys and girls?
When did UConn become part of the discussion? They are one of the schools that the basketball-only schools of the big east fled from a couple of years ago. No way is UConn eating crow at this point in the college sports landscape and giving up on football, which makes UConn a total nonsensical issue and a non-discussion. Did I miss something?

Now, if the ACC or Big 10 came calling I'm sure UConn would leave the AAC in a heartbeat...
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UConn in a tough spot,...

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When did UConn become part of the discussion? They are one of the schools that the basketball-only schools of the big east fled from a couple of years ago. No way is UConn eating crow at this point in the college sports landscape and giving up on football, which makes UConn a total nonsensical issue and a non-discussion. Did I miss something?

Now, if the ACC or Big 10 came calling I'm sure UConn would leave the AAC in a heartbeat...
UConn will get its FB program back to the successful evel of a few years ago. But, UConn doesn't appear to offer much in the way of TV eyeballs. The school claims it brings more fans from metro NYC than Rutgers. True or not, I don't know.

A shame in a way. UConn is very successful athletically across the board except for football. The school has played in 22 national championship games since 1985 and has amazing 22-0 record....14 of those games in BB.
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UConn will get its FB program back to the successful evel of a few years ago. But, UConn doesn't appear to offer much in the way of TV eyeballs. The school claims it brings more fans from metro NYC than Rutgers. True or not, I don't know.

A shame in a way. UConn is very successful athletically across the board except for football. The school has played in 22 national championship games since 1985 and has amazing 22-0 record....14 of those games in BB.
Women's basketball hasn't hurt those numbers at all.

Still, an amazing record and UConn is, I think, an AAU member. And I seem to remember reading somewhere that Connecticut has the highest per capita income of all the 50 states. Fertile territory for the BiG Network.
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CT income, etc,...

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Women's basketball hasn't hurt those numbers at all.

Still, an amazing record and UConn is, I think, an AAU member. And I seem to remember reading somewhere that Connecticut has the highest per capita income of all the 50 states. Fertile territory for the BiG Network.
It's true that CT is one of the wealthiest states. I don't know what effect, if any, that may have re conference affiliation. Seems to me that number of TV viewers is the key.

In the pro sports cities like NY, Boston there is very little interest in college athletics. In areas like Dayton and CT where there is relatively little competition for fan attention the college game is very important and TV viewership is high.

UD is in a pretty good spot. The A10 is a fine conference that has served UD well....and the NBE is always a possibility.

UConn is not in a good spot. The AAC has long term potential; but is not really satisfactory for any of its members. And the other options are not at all promising. No one in CT really believes there is a chance for the ACC or BiG.

The one wild card is the SEC. If the SEC should ever decide it wants/needs 16 members and goes after one or more ACC schools, then UConn might look very attractive to the ACC. Wishful thinking.
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It seems like things have solidified albeit temporarily. There's no reason to believe that anyone else has any more insightful information than anyone on this board. That includes Assistant Coaches of other programs.

Common sense would indicate that we would be a discussed program if the Big East decides to expand. The tenor of that conversation is likely to ebb and flow depending on our success as well as the success of the other programs being discussed. Doesn't seem to be happening soon.

The Big East doesn't need to grab any AAC teams if the intent is to be a non-football conference. The 2 conferences could enter into a strategic alliance that allows the conferences to stay separate but guarantees basketball scheduling to help both conferences SOS.

I would like to see us, regardless of conference affiliation, schedule Home and Homes with some of the AAC schools. I realize UConn and UC may be unwilling.
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The posters on the Holy Land Of Hoops are still pretty much convinced that UConn and Gonzaga will be the 11th and 12th teams to be added (if the NBE ever did expand) which, of course, it won't. But then, after that there's always BYU and Memphis or Wichita State waiting anxiously in the wings.

Can you say "delusional" boys and girls?
In fact, they will expand, and Dayton will be one of the teams added to the conference.

One reason why Dayton isn't scheduling Big East teams is because the conference has been told not to schedule Dayton to avoid scheduling issues. See Xavier when they had to play Big East schools in non-conference as well as in conference.

That's what I've heard and it's from a very good source.
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In fact, they will expand, and Dayton will be one of the teams added to the conference.

One reason why Dayton isn't scheduling Big East teams is because the conference has been told not to schedule Dayton to avoid scheduling issues. See Xavier when they had to play Big East schools in non-conference as well as in conference.

That's what I've heard and it's from a very good source.
Read the same thing now several times---but that's NOT been confirmed by anyone I know at the U! but I haven't yet asked!

I don't believe that the University of Dayton could do anything else at this point if they hope to get an a invite. Seriously, other than NCAA appearances and NCAA "wins" in the recent past, I believe that most folks at the U and I as well felt that our resume' was very, very solid-----before the subsequent back to back appearances and the 5 wins that have followed!

I have looked at the HolyLand site as well on a couple of occasions and it appears to me that many, many of the posters over there (other than all the X "fans") seem to have softened there position on the Flyers getting an invite IF the conference expands & naturally if ND, Gonzaga, or UCONN aren't clamoring to "get in"! Several clearly knowledgeable folks have presented arguments on numerous occasions that quite effectively present the strong case on behalf of the U......

Recently, one poster even had the "gall" to post a number of previous posts from X fans & suggesting that despite there ongoing proclamations about UD FANS being the "worst people/fans" in the world-------------X fans were clearly a bit biased!

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The posters on the Holy Land Of Hoops are still pretty much convinced that UConn and Gonzaga will be the 11th and 12th teams to be added (if the NBE ever did expand) which, of course, it won't. But then, after that there's always BYU and Memphis or Wichita State waiting anxiously in the wings.

Can you say "delusional" boys and girls?
Any talk about VCU and/or SLU, Richmond, etc.? What is the pecking order?

I can't believe that Gonzaga and BYU are in play.

And I can't believe that Wichita State is in play either.

Wichita is another 450 miles west of St. Louis.

That just isn't realistic.
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And I can't believe that Wichita State is in play either.
Wichita is another 450 miles west of St. Louis. That just isn't realistic.
But how far is Wichita State from Creighton? Not sure how far it is from St Louis is relevant. Wichita State seems to make sense, giving Creighton a "partner," except it is not private.
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I would like to see us, regardless of conference affiliation, schedule Home and Homes with some of the AAC schools. I realize UConn and UC may be unwilling.
I know for a fact that UC does not want to schedule UD. Mick said something about it several months ago.

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That's pretty much what the new X AD said in a televised interview a year or two back.

And who knows what the NBE presidents think? Their Creighton decision as outlined in the Omaha paper's article seemed to be totally serendipity and followed no particular logic except maybe, "Hey, here's a fellow Jesuit school we can steer some money to."

Since Georgetown (Jesuit) pretty much calls the shots and the Creighton president was also on the Marquette board of trustees, Creighton was a slam dunk.
The decision to add Creighton as what--the 9th or 10th school--was/is completely asinine IMO. Of course they had McDermott at the time and were coming off a dominating MWC season or two (without any long tournament runs, FWIW), but that's it. Creighton is not a big-time historical powerhouse and compared to the rest of the Big East, they're on a complete island in a tiny market. They have a large arena and are a solid Jesuit institution of higher learning, but I don't think that any of that puts them decisively on par with Georgetown and Villanova.

But what's even worse is that many Big East supporters posting on HolyLand seem absolutely convinced that Creighton is a no-brainer, perfect fit for the league, however many of the same folks are adamantly opposed to Dayton. Not to be homer, but, let's be real, Creighton is basically UD, but in Omaha freaking Nebraska.

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But how far is Wichita State from Creighton? Not sure how far it is from St Louis is relevant. Wichita State seems to make sense, giving Creighton a "partner," except it is not private.
Yeah crap, I forgot about Creighton, that puts Wichita State in play IMO...I was thinking SLU might be the western limit for BE expansion.

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I know for a fact that UC does not want to schedule UD. Mick said something about it several months ago.
Why doesn't UC want to play UD? They want to keep UD below them?

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The decision to add Creighton as what--the 9th or 10th school--was/is completely asinine IMO. Of course they had McDermott at the time and were coming off a dominating MWC season or two (without any long tournament runs, FWIW), but that's it. Creighton is not a big-time historical powerhouse and compared to the rest of the Big East, they're on a complete island in a tiny market. They have a large arena and are a solid Jesuit institution of higher learning, but I don't think that any of that puts them decisively on par with Georgetown and Villanova.

But what's even worse is that many Big East supporters posting on HolyLand seem absolutely convinced that Creighton is a no-brainer, perfect fit for the league, however many of the same folks are adamantly opposed to Dayton. Not to be homer, but, let's be real, Creighton is basically UD, but in Omaha freaking Nebraska.
Creighton always gets bashed on here...the Bluejays were very deserving of an invite...much more deserving than UD IMO...IMO there was not really an issue of there being a good ole boy network at work regarding inviting Creighton...Creighton has a huge arena and great fan support too...18k per game...18k per game puts them in the top 5 in attendance.



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1941, 1962, 1964, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1981, 1989, 1991, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014



Wichita State doesn't have d1a football, a plus for them, neither does VCU...Temple, Cincinnati, and UConn all have d1a football, seemingly a minus for them.

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But how far is Wichita State from Creighton? Not sure how far it is from St Louis is relevant. Wichita State seems to make sense, giving Creighton a "partner," except it is not private.
It's worse than that. Holy Land of Hoops posters want Gonzaga!
I wonder if Chaminade would also be considered a good candidate if they upgraded to DI. Can teams in Australia join and compete for NCAA titles? Anyone knows? The X posters want anyone but Dayton, and they will take teams from as far flung places as you can imagine.

I still say let's keep away from the NBE until they Chew and swallow some humble pie. They reek of arrogance and greed, which run counter to everything we claim we stand for. Until they do a course correction and demonstrate that their decisions are guided by the right values, I would just as soon leave well enough alone. Making the decision to take the road less traveled is sometimes the hardest thing to do, but in this case it is the right thing to do.
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OH what will we do!

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There's also a group that realizes that home-and homes are precious, and shouldn't be spent on 150 RPI teams like WSU (and Miami).
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Oh wait, they want a home and home or no deal?

Get serious.
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Creighton always gets bashed on here...the Bluejays were very deserving of an invite...much more deserving than UD IMO...IMO there was not really an issue of there being a good ole boy network at work regarding inviting Creighton...Creighton has a huge arena and great fan support too...18k per game...18k per game puts them in the top 5 in attendance.

Creighton NCAA appearances, real strong since 1999:

1941, 1962, 1964, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1981, 1989, 1991, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014

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I have the utmost respect for Creighton. 18K+ fans, history of making the NCAA, good solid school, great fan base, etc., etc. I understand why the Big East selected Creighton over Dayton.

But, let's get one thing straight. Creighton has had absolutely ZERO success EVER in the NCAA. Programs are measured by deep NCAA runs and to a much less extent getting in. Creighton has NEVER won 2 straight games in the NCAA in the history of their program. Yes, please read that again, Creighton has NEVER won 2 straight games in the NCAA in the history of their program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creight...9;s_basketball

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Creighton always gets bashed on here...the Bluejays were very deserving of an invite...much more deserving than UD IMO...IMO there was not really an issue of there being a good ole boy network at work regarding inviting Creighton...Creighton has a huge arena and great fan support too...18k per game...18k per game puts them in the top 5 in attendance.

Creighton NCAA appearances, real strong since 1999:

1941, 1962, 1964, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1981, 1989, 1991, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014
So I guess the Creighton President being on the Marquette Board of Trustees had nothing to do with it. They had 6 NCAA's since 2000 without the coach's son, and hadn't gone since 2007 until he arrived. Many posters (including me) said let's see how they do when he is gone. Well, they went 14-19 without him last season and finished last in the conference. We had 4 NCAA appearances and an NIT Championship since 2000 when invites went out, not that much of a difference. Based on Creighton's location, I see no way they would have been invited without the good ole' boy network.
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Creighton has NEVER won 2 straight games in the NCAA in the history of their program. Yes, please read that again, Creighton has NEVER won 2 straight games in the NCAA in the history of their program.
Not 2 in a row! That's like being invited to the dance () but shortly thereafter no girl wants to dance with U.
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We had 4 NCAA appearances and an NIT Championship since 2000 when invites went out, not that much of a difference. Based on Creighton's location, I see no way they would have been invited without the good ole' boy network.
Agree pretty much with all of this. Using the same time frame of 2000 in UD2's post and ignoring the NIT completely, Dayton has had six NCAA invites (compared with Creighton's nine) and six tourney wins, including -- now -- an Elite Eight. Performance matters, and when it comes to the Big Dance, Creighton is a wallflower.

All that said, I'm perfectly content with things as they are. If the NBE calls, great. If not, what harm has the A-10 done?

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Agree pretty much with all of this. Using the same time frame of 2000 in UD2's post and ignoring the NIT completely, Dayton has had six NCAA invites (compared with Creighton's nine) and six tourney wins, including -- now -- an Elite Eight. Performance matters, and when it comes to the Big Dance, Creighton is a wallflower.

All that said, I'm perfectly content with things as they are. If the NBE calls, great. If not, what harm has the A-10 done?
As long as the A-10 allows the NCAA participant to keep the lion's share of the tournament money, I am satisfied.

75% of the pie is a lot better than 1/14th of the pie.
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Agree pretty much with all of this. Using the same time frame of 2000 in UD2's post and ignoring the NIT completely, Dayton has had six NCAA invites (compared with Creighton's nine) and six tourney wins, including -- now -- an Elite Eight. Performance matters, and when it comes to the Big Dance, Creighton is a wallflower.

All that said, I'm perfectly content with things as they are. If the NBE calls, great. If not, what harm has the A-10 done?
The other thing to remember is that the MWC--which Creighton dominated--has never been as strong as the A-10.

For as worried as NBE fans seem to be about not appearing to outsiders to be a "mid-major," two of their three final additions spent most of their history in what were essentially mid-major conferences.
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Creighton struggles to win in the big dance...their rpi history looks good though...looks like several at-large-bid-worthy seasons.


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2014-2015 13-16 0.5206 130 0.5550 56
2013-2014 26-7 0.6332 10 0.5757 22
2012-2013 27-7 0.6091 25 0.5442 82
2011-2012 28-5 0.6080 24 0.5268 102
2010-2011 19-14 0.5221 123 0.5127 132
2009-2010 16-15 0.5271 115 0.5375 90
2008-2009 26-7 0.5900 40 0.5237 111
2007-2008 20-10 0.5754 46 0.5432 66
2006-2007 22-10 0.6121 20 0.5773 19
2005-2006 19-9 0.5906 39 0.5542 55
2004-2005 23-10 0.5758 44 0.5406 78
2003-2004 20-8 0.5545 77 0.5013 146
2002-2003 29-4 0.6062 23 0.5153 115
2001-2002 22-8 0.5730 44 0.5195 108
2000-2001 24-7 0.5963 23 0.5369 78
1999-2000 23-9 0.5608 59 0.5081 136
1998-1999 21-8 0.5803 34 0.5323 85
1997-1998 18-9 0.5401 82 0.4979 144
1996-1997 15-15 0.5019 137 0.5026 132
1995-1996 13-15 0.4904 161 0.4991 141
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Why doesn't UC want to play UD? They want to keep UD below them?


I don't want to dig up the article but several months ago Mick mentioned about wanting to schedule blue bloods in a home and home on an annual basis. (UK, Duke, Kansas...) He went on to say something along the lines of not wanting to schedule certain schools and Dayton was on that list. I think it is bull considering UC wants a home and home with Murray State.
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Well Mick did coach there, so there's that.
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I don't want to dig up the article but several months ago Mick mentioned about wanting to schedule blue bloods in a home and home on an annual basis. (UK, Duke, Kansas...) He went on to say something along the lines of not wanting to schedule certain schools and Dayton was on that list. I think it is bull considering UC wants a home and home with Murray State.
tOSU, X and UC don't want to play UD because they know any game in the Arena will be a sellout with the Flyer Faithful and the "home" game in their own venue will have more than the typical smattering of the visiting team's fans. It would not look good for them.
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Sometimes perception is more important than anything else. People look and see the success of certain programs like Creighton and Gonzaga.

The last time Creighton made the Sweet 16 (1974), Eddie Sutton was the head coach. Mark Few when to his first Elite 8 this year in his 16th season as the head coach.

So is making the NCAA tourney most years important than making a deep run every once in awhile?
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Sometimes perception is more important than anything else. People look and see the success of certain programs like Creighton and Gonzaga.

The last time Creighton made the Sweet 16 (1974), Eddie Sutton was the head coach. Mark Few when to his first Elite 8 this year in his 16th season as the head coach.

So is making the NCAA tourney most years important than making a deep run every once in awhile?
Definitely. I think being there consistently is way more important than making the E8 once every 15 years.
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Definitely. I think being there consistently is way more important than making the E8 once every 15 years.
I agree. Don't want to be Cinderella anymore. Want to be the team that is overdue.
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Definitely. I think being there consistently is way more important than making the E8 once every 15 years.
I would tend to agree, but if that's the case, schools like Gonzaga (WCC), Butler (HL), Creighton (MVC), and Xavier (old MCC) all built their success in non-power conferences in which they dominated on a somewhat consistent basis. So if that's the model that UD is looking to follow, then a move to the Big East would not seem to be the best route to go at the moment. Just saying.
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So the BE and BT will play eight tipoff games for the next 8 years, and each team will participate.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...ames/26184535/

Tell me again who the A10 is playing, besides the two year mini-series with the ACC? Tell me again why the BE is not a better league long term? Don't really try to tell me again, cause it ain't so.
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So the BE and BT will play eight tipoff games for the next 8 years, and each team will participate.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...ames/26184535/

Tell me again who the A10 is playing, besides the two year mini-series with the ACC? Tell me again why the BE is not a better league long term? Don't really try to tell me again, cause it ain't so.
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I would tend to agree, but if that's the case, schools like Gonzaga (WCC), Butler (HL), Creighton (MVC), and Xavier (old MCC) all built their success in non-power conferences in which they dominated on a somewhat consistent basis. So if that's the model that UD is looking to follow, then a move to the Big East would not seem to be the best route to go at the moment. Just saying.
You're incorrectly assuming it's an "either / or". I don't think we need to "dominate" before we move. Northwestern is clearly in the wrong league, they don't get to the NCAA tournament consistently (as in "ever"). You're assuming we're the Northwestern of the BE if we move. Why do you assume this?? Why can't we move to the BE and consistently make the NCAA tournament?? Because we're "only" UD?
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Creighton is not in the same stratosphere the last 25 years as Butler, Gonzaga, and Xaiver. The latter 3 made the NCAA consistently AND made deep runs (Sweet 16 or more). Creighton made a lot of NCAAs, but have made zero deep runs in their history. Their 1974 Sweet 16 was when they won 1 game to make the Sweet 16. Again, Creighton has never won two consective NCAA games EVER! Dayton did in two times the last two years.

Dayton has a better reputation now than Creighton based upon the NCAA wins the last 2 years. Again, I respect Creighton and think they have a good program, but we have surpassed them in reputation. All about what have you done for me lately.

By the way, I was in the Barber Shop in the Bay Area yesterday and new barber asked me where I was from and I told him Dayton. He said immediately "home of the Dayton Flyers, they seem to make a deep NCAA run every year -- I love watching them play." I asked him about Creighton and he was very lukewarm at best. Perception is reality, 2 years of success and that is what everyone remembers.
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You're incorrectly assuming it's an "either / or". I don't think we need to "dominate" before we move. Northwestern is clearly in the wrong league, they don't get to the NCAA tournament consistently (as in "ever"). You're assuming we're the Northwestern of the BE if we move. Why do you assume this?? Why can't we move to the BE and consistently make the NCAA tournament?? Because we're "only" UD?
I'm just playing devil's advocate regarding whether it would be more beneficial to dominate a weaker league or big upper-middle of the pack in a better league. I think that we could be successful in the Big East (with Archie) because I think that outside of the perennial dominant programs, the rest of the schools are inconsistent and we're better than most think.
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Perception is everything...

Remember when St Joe's was undefeated (till A10 tournament)? Wichita St.? Even Gonzaga with 1 loss? All three were questions as to whether they "Deserved" a #1 seed in the Ncaa. With those sparkling records and all the national press they receive, the committee looked at their conference and said...meh. In St Joe's year, they weren't even given a number 1 ranking until Standard lost. Why? Stanford is in the mighty Pac-10. Even after the loss there was talk of giving Stanford the 1 seed and bumping St Joe.

The A10, Mwc, and Wcc champs will always be looked at as a step below. No matter the amount of success achieved. Like it or not, while the NBE is not the OBE. Just the name cache resonates across the sports landscape. That in and of itself is enough to want to move. Not to mention, given this season's exact rpi and record, UD is NOT the last team in.

Bottom line is, in the court of national public opinion an undefeated season in the A10 < A 5 loss season in the NBE
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Interesting...ESPN executive brought in to help with programming at FOX

This can't hurt our chances at getting an invite! ??

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/fox-...-as-its-savior

In Pertinent Part: [QUOTE]: "Horowitz was a powerful figure at ESPN, rising as high as a newly created position at the network in charge of all original programming, and has more to his resume than just First Take. He was also behind successful shows like SportsNation and Olbermann, giving fans hope that we’re not just going to see 24 hours of Clay Travis debating Donovan McNabb on Fox Sports 1.

However, asking you to whitewash First Take from Horowitz’s resume is like trying to give Matt Millen a mulligan for his tenure with the Detroit Lions.

But this is about much more than Fox Sports 1 hiring a talented, controversial former executive from another network. Fox Sports 1 could bring in anybody they please to give the network the direction that they so desire. But in handpicking Horowitz, has Fox Sports decided to become “ESPN2 Lite?” Have they given up on the idea of being the ESPN alternative they promised to be?

Make no mistake – Fox Sports 1 needs a shakeup to give the network a new identity. Much of the original programming has been scrapped and pretty much all the network’s studio shows have struggled to draw an audience of their own. Additionally, Fox Sports 1 has produced a few high-profile questionable editorial decisions along the way. (Frank Luntz, hello.) It has been a far from perfect 20 months.

That doesn’t mean Fox should give up on creating a sustainable alternative to ESPN, though. The network has brought a lot of good things to the table including creating new stars that were unknowns on the American sports landscape and giving more coverage to sports that ESPN gives little time to. Furthermore, Fox Sports Live has evolved past the days of the athlete panel with Jay Onrait and Dan O’Toole and most importantly – the network’s inventory of live sports continues to grow."

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. . . Make no mistake – Fox Sports 1 needs a shakeup to give the network a new identity. Much of the original programming has been scrapped and pretty much all the network’s studio shows have struggled to draw an audience of their own. Additionally, Fox Sports 1 has produced a few high-profile questionable editorial decisions along the way. (Frank Luntz, hello.) It has been a far from perfect 20 months.

That doesn’t mean Fox should give up on creating a sustainable alternative to ESPN, though. The network has brought a lot of good things to the table including creating new stars that were unknowns on the American sports landscape and giving more coverage to sports that ESPN gives little time to. Furthermore, Fox Sports Live has evolved past the days of the athlete panel with Jay Onrait and Dan O’Toole and most importantly – the network’s inventory of live sports continues to grow."

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Fox also has the Gold Cup next month, which should get bigger ratings than the Women's World Cup. Mexico's games will draw bigger ratings than our's will though.
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And in other news, here are the latest thoughts about UD and the BE:

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...east-expansion
Love this one, though...

The Flyers regularly draw 13,000 fans per game, and its arena would be the seventh-biggest in the league.
But, if you look at actual (paid) attendance, Dayton would be 3rd, only behind Creighton and Marquette. But, let's not state anything more positive for Dayton to make it seem like a good piece. Gotta keep the Big East spin machine rolling...

Oh, and this was good, too..

It's a geographic fit and a natural potential rival for Xavier.
Right, because we've never been a rival of Xavier in the past. This would be a new natural rival. They could have said, "and the annual XU-UD rivalry would come back and be awesome!"
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Right, because we've never been a rival of Xavier in the past. This would be a new natural rival. They could have said, "and the annual XU-UD rivalry would come back and be awesome!"
Yes, but that would require more than just a passing knowledge of anything outside the Power 5 conferences, which most sportswriters just don't have.
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Yes, but that would require more than just a passing knowledge of anything outside the Power 5 conferences, which most sportswriters just don't have.
Directly after the article posted Sam Vecenie spent about 20 minutes on Twitter defending UD and saying nothing but good things about the basketball program. He got onto some Big East honks pretty good so I don't think he falls into this category at all.
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Reputation issue...

I doubt that our new president will carry much weight when it comes a BE invite. But, a factor that hangs over UD is that we do not enjoy a solid academic reputation. The likes of the BE Jesuits and Villanova look down their noses at UD. People are human...and things like that matter.

With that in mind, I think it's significant that UD was able to attract an academic heavyweight like the Vice Chancellor of a premier institution like Syracuse. That was not the case the last time we hired a president. St. Joes is a good school...but it's not a national heavyweight like SU. And yet, we got a gem from SJU.

Hopefully our new guy will be as successful as DC, and then some. Dan Curran may just have positioned our U for a "breakout" as regards reputation. I hope so. A boost in reputation would be helpful on all fronts.
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Directly after the article posted Sam Vecenie spent about 20 minutes on Twitter defending UD and saying nothing but good things about the basketball program. He got onto some Big East honks pretty good so I don't think he falls into this category at all.
He totally went to bat for Dayton hard on Twitter.
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Don't worry! The savants on the Holy Land of Hoops have this all figured out.

The BE probably will never, ever expand. But if it does it will only expand to 12 schools, and then only if.....IF.....the 11th and 12th schools are UConn and Gonzaga. UConn, they theorize, will soon tire of football and decide to give it up, and Gonzaga will forsake winning its conference every year which means an auto bid to the NCAA Tournament, and instead opt to travel all the way across the country to play in a new conference. Makes perfect sense, Huh??

I think many, including Fox, are quietly thinking to themselves, 'this experiment is losing momentum. It has to do something.'
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Don't worry! The savants on the Holy Land of Hoops have this all figured out.

The BE probably will never, ever expand. But if it does it will only expand to 12 schools, and then only if.....IF.....the 11th and 12th schools are UConn and Gonzaga. UConn, they theorize, will soon tire of football and decide to give it up, and Gonzaga will forsake winning its conference every year which means an auto bid to the NCAA Tournament, and instead opt to travel all the way across the country to play in a new conference. Makes perfect sense, Huh??

I think many, including Fox, are quietly thinking to themselves, 'this experiment is losing momentum. It has to do something.'
Yea, began to "lose momentum" the day it was rolled out---which has continued through the past two NCAA tournaments!

I've looked at that board about 5 times in the past 2years-------everytime I've looked it seemed like the same 4-5 X fans always driving the discussion about how great things are and why the University of Dayton is worse than SATAN! Funny bunch!
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the NBE is not going to get more money out of Fox by expanding ... thus no expansion. Fox way overpaid and provides little exposure for the NBE. My guess is that each side can't wait to get away from the other.
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I personally would be against any format that required teams to play more than 18 conference games, and/or where teams could not play a true balanced schedule. In fact, my preference would be to play just sixteen conference games instead of eighteen. So, I would be adamantly against expansion. I wasn't thrilled about Creighton coming in as a tenth team.

Now, I'd be all REPLACING some of the teams in the league. But, basketball works best in a single division format that plays a true round robin. I don't even think that's debatable. I looked it up last night. In the last eleven years of the ACC's nine team format, they five or more teams to the tournament six times, and six teams to the tournament four times. When you send more than half of your league to the tournament more than half of the time, you're doing pretty good. The bloated leagues almost never get more than half their teams in, much less do it more than half of the time.

What I really think would be best would be for the 34 teams in the Big Three basketball centric conferences (Missouri Valley, Big East, Atlantic Ten) to get together and actually realign in into four conferences of eight or nine teams, and do so in a way that preserves/creates traditional and regional rivals. But, I also know that the chances of me becoming a Navy SEAL are slightly greater than the chances of that happening. So, I don't want more than ten, and I really don't even want that many. Just my opinion, which I realze means nothing to the people in charge.
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the NBE is not going to get more money out of Fox by expanding ... thus no expansion. Fox way overpaid and provides little exposure for the NBE. My guess is that each side can't wait to get away from the other.
The tv deal is for $500 million over 12 years, $50 million per team per year.

If the league expands to 12, the money increases to $600 million, still $50 million per team per year.

Any thoughts on if the deal lasts all 12 years? What kind of escape clause/renegotiation clause would be involved in this sort of deal?
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The tv deal is for $500 million over 12 years, $50 million per team per year.

If the league expands to 12, the money increases to $600 million, still $50 million per team per year.

Any thoughts on if the deal lasts all 12 years? What kind of escape clause/renegotiation clause would be involved in this sort of deal?
You're math is way off, 4.16M per team per year. And we have no idea that it expands to 600M if they add two more
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You're math is way off, 4.16M per team per year. And we have no idea that it expands to 600M if they add two more
Actually, that was talked about in the NYT article when the conference was formed. I think the writer had an inside source.
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The deal was $500 million TOTAL for TWELVE years. As in 500/12 per year. $50 million per team per year is about twice as much as what the SEC teams get.
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Actually, that was talked about in the NYT article when the conference was formed. I think the writer had an inside source.
Exactly, I'm sure that deal is long gone
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Agree, I totally screwed up the math, $500 million/10 teams/12 years=$4.16 million per year per team, I forgot to divide the 50 million over 12 years.

There were many websites reporting about the 12 teams and $600 million option, 2 or 3 years ago, when this was all happening.

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http://awfulannouncing.com/2013/deta...-big-east.html

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NBE expansion is not the NBE's decision to make. It is up to Fox whether or not that conference expands. Ratings suck, and the only people watching NBE games on Fox are friends and families of the players. Fox can go in one of two directions. They can decide that this is a losing proposition and that they should not throw good money after the bad. In that case they will just kill the turd and let the contract quietly expire or negotiate down the terms. The other option is that they decide that a team like UD can help improve the rating enough to save them the embarrasement of the situation they are now in and help them make some money. In that case they will tell the NBE to invite whichever teams they deem appropriate.

In either case, I think UD should steer clear of the slippery slope called NBE and stay the course we are curently on. **** the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
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Fox can't really make the Big East do anything. The contract is for another ten years whether the Big East expands or not. There is really no way they can compel the BE to expand. Besides, expansion would actually require Fox to spend even more money, so there's a good chance they really don't want the league to expand. Fox did not get some of the teams they wanted the first time. You're overestimating how much pull they really have. They signed a twelve year contract and they're kind of stuck with it regardless of what happens.
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The NBE is clinging to "major" conference status after its first two years. But barely.

And they do it in a simple way. Because of the TV money -- from Fox -- even their weakest schools can pay for wins at home. Just like the big boys do. And since they can do that, they don't have to go on the road out-of-conference just to get a paycheck (with the attendant loss) like some schools at the bottom of the A10 do to balance their athletic budget. So, all the teams in the NBE come into conference play with great won-lost records. And then they play each other and the impact of one 11-2 team playing another 9-4 team starts to work its RPI magic. This is a trick the big boys have used forever. If you have the money, you can do it.

So, where does it all come out in the wash? In the NCAA Tournament, is where.

The NBE has a less than stellar NCAA record after two tries. Three strikes and, maybe, the prized 'major' consideration they crave might be in jeopardy.

Oh! Did I mention the ratings for their games on FS-1 are ..... let's be charitable ..... less than ...wait for it .... Robust.
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Fox did not get some of the teams they wanted the first time.
Such as?
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Such as?
Let me answer: UConn and Gonzaga,

Right, Brew?
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Fox can't really make the Big East do anything. The contract is for another ten years whether the Big East expands or not. There is really no way they can compel the BE to expand. Besides, expansion would actually require Fox to spend even more money, so there's a good chance they really don't want the league to expand. Fox did not get some of the teams they wanted the first time. You're overestimating how much pull they really have. They signed a twelve year contract and they're kind of stuck with it regardless of what happens.
A rule in business that never fails is the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules. Contract or no contract, Fox is at the helm of this sinking ship.
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