Official 2016 NCAA tournament thread

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by TommyGola I commented on Stephen F. Austin before...that is one very good basketball team. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the Elite 8.

Walkup went 19-20 on free throws...in the NCAA tournament. 19-20! Watching him yesterday and Connecticut as a team on Thursday really pointed out how poorly UD shoots free throws.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by rollo Could anyone's season end in a worse or crazier way than UCs? In the Conference Tourny they hit a great shot and stop playing so that with 0.8 seconds a UConn player can chuck in a 55' shot for the tie and then lose in 3 OTs...then lose to St. Joe's on a dunk that came 0.0000000001 seconds after the red light came on...UGH! Just play 'D' and they advance in the Conference Tourny and get a better seed....just lay it in instead of dunking and go to OT vs St. Joes. Stupid is as stupid does definitely applies to UC.

Saw the replay of the UConn shot a few times over the past week+. Very similar to the end of the UNI/Texas game last night. That's why you play all 40 minutes.

Just now saw the end of the UC/StJ game. The ball left his hand a fraction of a hair of a piece of lint late. If the UC shooter had done what Johnny Davis used to do back in the "No Dunking" era (that is, jump up to the rim and drop the ball downward through the hoop), they go to OT. Heck, if he just deflects the pass off the glass and into the hoop, they go to OT. Looks like he tried to make a statement, but the statement turned out to be a Maxwell Smart tagline: "Missed it by THAT MUCH!"

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by MikeF Walkup went 19-20 on free throws...in the NCAA tournament. 19-20! Watching him yesterday and Connecticut as a team on Thursday really pointed out how poorly UD shoots free throws.

Yep. Couldn't blame Archie if he turns some of the coming offseason or next year's preseason into "Flyer Boot Camp". Back to the basics.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by MikeF Walkup went 19-20 on free throws...in the NCAA tournament. 19-20! Watching him yesterday and Connecticut as a team on Thursday really pointed out how poorly UD shoots free throws.

Walkup does it all. He handles the ball as well as Schoochie, rebounds, shoots, plays D and sees the floor as well as any player in college basketball, and what a leader, who never panics. It was hysterical watching kids try to guard him near the end of the game, as he just dribbled and dribbled saying go ahead and foul me.

Check these stats: 6-15, 2-3 on threes, 19-20 FT, 9 bounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers and 33 points in 37 minutes. He is a 6'4" white kid who has a bit of a limp from two knee operations, and a haircut you cannot forget. West Virginia pressed the entire game and only 7 turnovers by SFA.

Never seen Walkup before yesterday and wish I had. TV is too busy showing the LSU games.

[udx2]

Miami goes to the sweet 16, and I am now an Angel Rodriguez fan, but got to give a great deal of credit to Wichita State. Amazing come back from being down 27 - 6 to take the lead for a little while. Got to wonder whether playing in the First Four and then doing the required travel introduced a bit of fatigue into the equation, enough to make a difference.

Best part, even after yesterday's game, I find that I can still enjoy watching the Madness. I guess this thread will have to replace the Flyers game threads that we all hoped to see.

Now to see what Yale can do against Duke.

[C-time]

If anybody besides Bentil or Dunn shoots the ball for Providence the rest of this game the Friars will lose.

[jack72]

The PAC is officially the most overrated conference after Gonzaga destroyed Utah. The next two games were ours for the taking.

KY and IN was just terrible basketball. Neither team likes the pass. Just dribble, dribble, shoot. Bunch of great athletes playing playground ball.

[priceg75]

Lot of blowouts on Saturday.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by jack72 The PAC is officially the most overrated conference after Gonzaga destroyed Utah. The next two games were ours for the taking. KY and IN was just terrible basketball. Neither team likes the pass. Just dribble, dribble, shoot. Bunch of great athletes playing playground ball.

We couldn't take the Orange, so anything beyond that is just hot air. We were 4-5 to end the season, doubt we could take the Zags, and the way MTSU is playing beating them may be a stretch. For whatever reasons we were not the team at the end that started out 21-3. Best we just keep quiet and go home.

[Canonball]

I thought from the moment the brackets came out that the Midwest was where you wanted to be this year. Missed opportunity for the Flyers.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the talking heads but it's always amazing to me watching them pick all the higher seeds every year and yet it seems that each year the number of 'upsets' continues to go up. Thank god for the tournament.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by Canonball I thought from the moment the brackets came out that the Midwest was where you wanted to be this year. Missed opportunity for the Flyers. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the talking heads but it's always amazing to me watching them pick all the higher seeds every year and yet it seems that each year the number of 'upsets' continues to go up. Thank god for the tournament.

At this point I'm rooting for a non-Power 5/Big East school to win the whole **** thing. Even if that means rooting for St. Joe's. i got no beef with Hawk Hill, sure they've owned us lately and the Galloway push off was the worst non-call ever but i just like Martelli. Bembry and Marques Green of Bona circa 2000-2004 are probably my favorite all-time A-10 players not wearing the Red and Blue

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Canonball]

Originally Posted by UD62 We couldn't take the Orange, so anything beyond that is just hot air. We were 4-5 to end the season, doubt we could take the Zags, and the way MTSU is playing beating them may be a stretch. For whatever reasons we were not the team at the end that started out 21-3. Best we just keep quiet and go home.

The way the schedule played out it was backloaded with the best teams. I agree that the Flyers weren't playing their best ball (e.g. St Louis), but part of that was the competition. They did close out with a W to win the league against VCU, followed by a tournament win, and a close loss to a team that historically the Flyers struggle with. VCU and SJU advanced and have a shot at a Sweet 16. Syracuse was probably the worst matchup for this years squad given how the Flyers played and what they struggled with this year. They weren't ready. Flyers must be kicking themselves as the Midwest bracket is wide open and a great spot to be in if you're a mid-seed.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UD62]

Fact remains we were ranked #13 on Feb 15, went on to lose 3 of the next four, two at home, URI wasn't one of the tough teams, nor was SLU, and that was a struggle. We did play a good game against VCU and played really well against the Spiders in Brooklyn. But 4-5 is still 4-5, For the past two years AM and the team went into the off-season on a positive note. Not the case this year. It wasn't just the poor play against the Orange, but the performance over most of the last 9 games of the season. Trueteam is under some stress, and rather than building on a strong finish, AM has to figure out what changes to make to insure success. The team chemistry thing may be tough to correct. Off court activities may play a part and that may not go away quickly. Our bar is set pretty high and that is a good thing, team just didn't meet is the last part of the season. Player skills are part of the equation, especially against a zone, and that can be worked on. Overall a pretty good year, got ranked, got the #1 seed in the A-10 tourney, just faded at the end. Am will address any issues I'm sure.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[jack72]

Lumberjacks pull ahead of ND by 3 with 3:30 to go. Walkup putting on another clinic despite playing less time due to fouls.

[udx2]

Great game. The Irish make a basket with 1.5 seconds to go to take a 1 pt lead and win.

Two well-matched teams.

[jack72]

Too bad for SA. They got ND to miss the shot and the tip, but then #11 on SA became a spectator and did not block out the kid who got the tip over him. Luck of the Irish.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by jack72 Too bad for SA. They got ND to miss the shot and the tip, but then #11 on SA became a spectator and did not block out the kid who got the tip over him. Luck of the Irish.

SFA got screwed. A major shove pushed the SFA player away and opened up the spot for the tip. Shove should have been called. Also two late phantom foul calls.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by jack72 Too bad for SA. They got ND to miss the shot and the tip, but then #11 on SA became a spectator and did not block out the kid who got the tip over him. Luck of the Irish.

He got whacked off balance from behind - you'll never get that foul called, but it gave Pfluger just enough space to get the tip off. The two "fouls" on SFA on that rebound and on Jackson's drive were just awful. That said, poor shot selection by Walkup trying to play hero instead of working for a good shot. Also, a crazy bounce on ND's first shot at the end (off the side of the backboard) led to a weird rebound.

That stinks. ND isn't any good and they got to play a tired Michigan team who didn't deserve to make the tourney in the first place, then got gifted a win today. Sickening.
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[cj]

I wish we were in their shoes.

[jack72]

This playing at home is silly. NC and OK have so many fans it makes it hard for the other teams. NCAA needs to change that rule.

[MikeF]

I know the announcers tend to be in his jock - which I guess is easy to do when he's so good - but Buddy Hield is something to watch. He can be quiet for a while, but he gets rolling it's like a tidal wave. And, to make him more devastating, he shoots almost 90% from the free throw line. Again, how nice it must be to have a guy you absolutely trust shooting free throws.

[Swampy Meadows]

Has Justin Tillman even played for VCU today? He had a career day on the boards vs UD
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[MikeF]

He was going out of bounds anyway, I guess, but I don't think that VCU player stepped on the end line when the referee whistled him for being out.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Has Justin Tillman even played for VCU today? He had a career day on the boards vs UD Posted via Mobile Device

Played some in the first half and did little. Another guy who had a career against UD.

[priceg75]

VCU had their chances in this game. Fumbled a couple of balls out of bounds for no reason.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by priceg75 VCU had their chances in this game. Fumbled a couple of balls or of bounds for no reason.

Those back-to-back possessions with turnovers basically because they were flying out of control were pretty rough.

[cj]

And Syracuse wins by 25.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by cj And Syracuse wins by 25.

The most sickening aspect of that for me is, now the talking heads will glow about how wonderful the ACC is. "Look! The 9-seed in the ACC tournament made the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament! That's one tough conference!" And then, next year, Grayson Allen will be allowed to trip someone every other game, penalty-free, and half the ACC teams will play exactly 1 non-conference Away game, and they'll still get 8 teams in next year's NCAA Tournament, and all the talking heads will crow again about how great they are, without the same burden of proof that teams like SFAustin, VCU, Wichita State, and (yes) UD must bear to prove they belong in "the club". Where's Al Cervic when you need him?

And, in a nod to CoffeeCan, I have been drinking.
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[Sea Bass]

ACC is 12-1 and has set a record with 6 teams in the sweet 16. I'd say that is amazing.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass ACC is 12-1 and has set a record with 6 teams in the sweet 16. I'd say that is amazing.

An interesting tidbit about the ACC is that as a conference, the best tournament win thus far (by seed) is Syracuse over Dayton.
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[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by cj And Syracuse wins by 25.

Did today's game look vaguely familiar to a game played on Friday???

[MikeF]

Northern Iowa just put on a clinic demonstrating how to urinate away a game. I don't know anything about UNI, but I am stunned that apparently one player is so integral to their offense that without him they have absolutely no idea what to do when inbounding the ball against pressure. They just blew a 12-point lead with 0:44 to go to get taken to overtime.

[cj]

Don't know. Didn't watch it. The Syracuse game.

[udx2]

Never saw a comeback in so little time like no. 3 seed A&M v. no. 11 seed Northern Iowa. Want to watch that again.

In overtime.

[cj]

Boo friggin hoo X loses

[MikeF]

Xavier just gave away their game, too. Wisconsin tied the game on a three, Xavier got called for a charge driving for the win, Wisconsin drains a three at the buzzer.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Viperstick]

X loses on a buzzer beater.

All is right in the universe again.

[1in25]

Down goes xavier, down goes xavier!!!!


Go Flyers!!!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[udx2]

But, top shot of the day: Wisconsin's last second 3 to get to the sweet 16. Incredible.

[Flyer1995]

Xavier loses to WISC at the buzzer....not gunna lie it makes me feel a little better seeing that

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Thank you Wisconsin, the only game that has went my way all week!

Suck it Mack and gangsters!

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by 1in25 Down goes xavier, down goes xavier!!!! Go Flyers!!!

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of folks!!!!!!!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[udx2]

Getting a sore thumb from flipping between channels. What a day!

Just wish UD was in it.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by udx2 Just wish UD was in it.

Man, could you imagine if Dayton had won the first game in St. Louis today and then Xavier fans took that stomach punch?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the sweet sight of distraught _avier fans,players and coaches!!!

So much of Friday's pain just disappeared.

Thank You Badger Nation!!!!!!!!!!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[priceg75]

Xavier has been rewarded so many times over the years for their "put your head down, charge to the basket and get a foul call" offense, that it was nice to see it swing the other way for a change.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Fudd]

My wife knows I can't stand Xavier. She looked over at me as Wisconsin nailed that beautiful 3 and saw a huge smile on my face.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[udx2]

Watching the double digit seeds, I wondered if UD has to feel the underdog to perform well in the dance. Three years in a row being selected should have our guys over that, but I don't know.

Watching today makes me starting look forward to next year. S**t happens. I hope the players think about the opportunity that was lost.

[THirt]

Well, my favorite team lost game one, but my second favorite team lost the first but won the second! Go team-playing-eggsavier!

What a gut punch loss. Got a text right after it ended which I agree with: I'd rather lose by 19.
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Smitty10]

Texas A&M down 12 with 44 seconds left, wins in double OT.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Texas A&M down 12 with 44 seconds left, wins in double OT.

This tournament is March Madness crazy.

[Fudd]

Your tears are delicious.

[Flyer1995]

St. Joes tied with Oregon just over 2 minutes left. they were up 7 but haven't scored in a while...don't expect them to win seeing who they are finishing right now but I'm rooting for them.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Fudd My wife knows I can't stand Xavier. She looked over at me as Wisconsin nailed that beautiful 3 and saw a huge smile on my face.

Same here, my wife said, "you loved that didn't you?"

[TommyGola]

Joe's goes down to Oregon. They were up 7 with 7 minutes to go but could not hold the lead. They had a number of key turnovers down the stretch.

[Smitty10]

I'm thrilled. SJ is gone, good riddance.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TommyGola Joe's goes down to Oregon. They were up 7 with 7 minutes to go but could not hold the lead. They had a number of key turnovers down the stretch.

As I was watching the end of that game, I couldn't help but think that the bizzarro world that is A-10 basketball did not prepare St. Joe's sufficiently for a contest like we saw tonight. Part of it was the difference in styles between Altman's more wide-open offense and Martelli's sets that rely more on post-up moves & ballhandlers taking it all the way to the rack. But part of it was also the more consistent officiating I saw tonight, when compared to some of the Rohrschach crap we see in league play. Case in point was the play at the end, where Bembry was d!ck!ng-around with the ball at the top of the key and lost the handle. He and 2 Oregon guys were going after the loose ball, when Miles came flying-in from the side to join the scrum. Miles landed on top of Oregon's Dorsey (who had come-up with the ball), and the refs rightly whistled Miles for the personal. Can't tell you how many times I've seen something like that in A-10 play, and no whistle was blown - "Play on!" While the announcers (one of whom was Gottlieb - ugh) were joking about how Miles' play would have been better-suited to the Philadelphia Eagles, I simply said, "Welcome to the A-10!"
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[jack72]

Speaking of bad officiating and letting them play on, the end of the TX A&M and N Iowa was textbook. With a few seconds left the NI kid gets trapped near the corner. The A&M players leg and thigh the kid about three feet, the player with the ball then changes his pivot foot (travel), and the A&M players then leg him another couple of feet to the out of bounds line. At that point he tries to throw it off the leg of an A&M player and turns it over for a layup that ties it. Play on.

[N2663R]

So now that the A10 is done in the NCAA Tournament, does anyone know what the financial payout is to the A10 and to UD specifically?

[San Diego Flyer]

Personally, with the shabby showing all the A10 teams made this year in the NCAA's, all of them should pay into the fund and the A10 should give money back.

We were tagged as a 3 bid league and we simply spit the bit.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Personally, with the shabby showing all the A10 teams made this year in the NCAA's, all of them should pay into the fund and the A10 should give money back. We were tagged as a 3 bid league and we simply spit the bit.

VCU and Joe's lost in close games to very good teams in the second round. Good showing there. UD is the only one that spit the bit.

Try comparing the A10 to the Pac10. Pac should give their money to the ACC. The statistics were flat out inaccurate on the Pac10 as the second best conference.

[steve]

UD's the only team from the A10 that choked on their own nads, not VCU or SJU....They got beat by 1 and 2 seeded teams with one needing a herculean effort from the POTY in the NCAA and the other down to the last 40 seconds....

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[Glen Clark]

Power Five conferences:
ACC: 6
Big 12: 3
Big 10: 3
PAC 12: 1
SEC: 1

Others:
Big East: 1
West Coast: 1

Sweet Sixteen near misses:
Southland
Missouri Valley
A-10

Multi-bid chokers:
PAC12: 3-6 (7 teams, 1 surviving)
Big East: 5-4 (5 teams, 1 surviving)
AAC: 1-4 (4 teams, 0 surviving)
A-10: 2-3 (3 teams, 0 surviving)

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Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by jack72 Speaking of bad officiating and letting them play on, the end of the TX A&M and N Iowa was textbook. With a few seconds left the NI kid gets trapped near the corner. The A&M players leg and thigh the kid about three feet, the player with the ball then changes his pivot foot (travel), and the A&M players then leg him another couple of feet to the out of bounds line. At that point he tries to throw it off the leg of an A&M player and turns it over for a layup that ties it. Play on.

What's crazy is if he'd held the ball another second, or heaved it down court, they win the game. Anybody know where the possession arrow was pointed?

Also, another common case of the refs getting sucked into the intrigue of the great comeback.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 What's crazy is if he'd held the ball another second, or heaved it down court, they win the game. Anybody know where the possession arrow was pointed? Also, another common case of the refs getting sucked into the intrigue of the great comeback.

I was wondering the same thing about the possession arrow and thinking the same thing about throwing the ball as high and far downcourt as he could. Tough to to think of in the heat of the moment I'm sure.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer I was wondering the same thing about the possession arrow and thinking the same thing about throwing the ball as high and far downcourt as he could. Tough to to think of in the heat of the moment I'm sure.

Trapped in the corner with 2 seconds on the clock and no timeouts with a 2 point lead. Probably not something teams practice on.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Trapped in the corner with 2 seconds on the clock and no timeouts with a 2 point lead. Probably not something teams practice on.

If the UNI dumbasses just ran their pressbreaker they win. Instead they received the inbounds pass and hoped/expected to get fouled. And when they weren't, they panicked. The 2nd pass back to the middle was there every time and if they made it aTm would have had to foul. But the man with the ball never looked to pass...UGH!

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Trapped in the corner with 2 seconds on the clock and no timeouts with a 2 point lead. Probably not something teams practice on.

Not saying they practice that exact situation but you'd be surprised what situations teams do work on.

When I coached high school basketball we always finished practice with a situations session and we always used some rare situation that we had seen at a high school or college game. This would have been a perfect one to use.

[UD62]

Hard to practice the "running around like chickens with their heads cut off" play. Good lord that was brutal to watch. One player out and panic sets in.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Power Five conferences: ACC: 6 Big 12: 3 Big 10: 3 PAC 12: 1 SEC: 1 Others: Big East: 1 West Coast: 1 Sweet Sixteen near misses: Southland Missouri Valley A-10 Multi-bid chokers: PAC12: 3-6 (7 teams, 1 surviving) Big East: 5-4 (5 teams, 1 surviving) AAC: 1-4 (4 teams, 0 surviving) A-10: 2-3 (3 teams, 0 surviving) _____________________ Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

There you go again Glen, confusing the issue with facts. Great summary. Taking solice with close losses is really reaching folks. Leave that for SF Austin. Now THAT was a close loss. Maybe the Selection Committee will look back at W's, L's, and CL's. Even then they would not count those 4/5 point losses. Close doesn't count.

While we're at it, let's factor in the A10 team everyone thought got screwed over in the selection process. The Bonawelders.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 What's crazy is if he'd held the ball another second, or heaved it down court, they win the game. Anybody know where the possession arrow was pointed? .

The receiving player heaving it down court is the simplest strategy. The clock runs out before the ball ever comes all the way down.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer The receiving player heaving it down court is the simplest strategy. The clock runs out before the ball ever comes all the way down.

Heck, he probably could of performed kind of a 2 handed push shot straight up in the air and by the time it came down the clock would've probably been effectively zero. That's just assuming that they have him surrounded that he can't get over the trees to send it down court. It's hard to believe they had him covered all the way from side to side and up and down as well.

[SC_Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 The statistics were flat out inaccurate on the Pac10 as the second best conference.

What? You mean Chuck Barkley was wrong about the PAC10? But he mostly watched PAC10 games and was certain that they were actually underrated...

[SC_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 What's crazy is if he'd held the ball another second, or heaved it down court, they win the game. Anybody know where the possession arrow was pointed?

Without a 5 second call this year, he could have just pivoted like a mad man and protected the ball. However, it didn't seem like the refs were going to call a foul on Texas A&M at that point, so odds are one of the guys would have reached in at some point and "earned" a jump ball.

This may be the greatest "what if" NCAA basketball game of all time.

[cj]

There is no 5 second call only when dribbling. A 5 second call can be made when the player is holding the ball.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by cj There is no 5 second call only when dribbling. A 5 second call can be made when the player is holding the ball.

As was clarified in the SJ game a week ago, there is no 5 second call in the back court. Never, ever.

[Fudd]

http://www.campusrush.com/campus-cli...676651647.html

More cheating cheaters who cheat.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Fudd http://www.campusrush.com/campus-cli...676651647.html More cheating cheaters who cheat.

Holy crap. He should have been t'd up for that. He was on the court, no more (maybe less) than 6 inches from the shooter.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Fudd http://www.campusrush.com/campus-cli...676651647.html More cheating cheaters who cheat.

I saw who posted this link, and did not even have to open it to know what team it would be about. Fudd and his hatred of anything to do with X is so predictable.

Not saying I disagree with anything you have ever said about them!

[FLYER5]

Wow, Oklahoma! Not just the Buddy Hield Show.

[CT Flyer]

But Buddy is a pretty good show though!

[FLYER5]

Looks like KU's defense is more than Villanova is used to. May be the tipping point in this game.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Bit Buddy is a pretty good show though!

Stephon who?

[C-time]

Kansas is getting screwed by the refs. Horrible call on a loose ball with about 30 seconds left.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by C-time Kansas is getting screwed by the refs. Horrible call on a loose ball with about 30 seconds left.

There was also the missed double dribble on Kansas late. Although the loose ball call was a bit iffy (it was a trip but no advantage gained), what really screwed Kansas was their turnovers late. I really liked Jay Wright going with the 3/4 court trap press in the last couple of defensive possessions. Instead of sitting back and letting Kansas run their offense, he took them out of their comfort zone - and hence created the turnovers. There are a lot of coaches (like Archie) that could learn from that decision.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by C-time Kansas is getting screwed by the refs. Horrible call on a loose ball with about 30 seconds left.

Yeah, they completely missed how Archidiacano (sp?) put a forearm across the ball-handler's chest, which IMHO led to him losing control of the ball.
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[TerryK_67]

awfully hard to beat 8 men. I have actually lost interest in the tournament. I am tired of this BS! All you want is for it to be the same at both ends, and yet these refs just can't seem to do that! Had no dog in that last game, but one team sure looked to get favorable treatment.
Pi$$ on em.

[C-time]

I wasn't too upset by tonights results, but what really upsets me is that the fine young ladies from Oregon won't have a chance to cheer on their university again!

http://www.udpride.com/forums/album....&pictureid=277

[CT Flyer]

UVA...talk about an offense that went in the tank midway through the second half!

[ud69]

UVA/Syracuse game - Very interesting game to watch. UVA doing everything right, attacking the zone well by rotating guys to the foul line and is up 16. Then Syracuse hits a trey, puts on a full court press, turns over UVA and hits 2 more treys. UVA now goes away from what was working, misses shots and Syracuse puts it away.

Just as they did to us, the Syracuse inside length shut down UVA late. As we found out, really tough to finish inside. Good coaching by both sides.

[Sea Bass]

Syracuse vs UNC - Academic Fraud Game

I guess we will determine the fraud champion.

[TerryK_67]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Syracuse vs UNC - Academic Fraud Game I guess we will determine the fraud champion.

Who says crime doesn't pay........................

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TerryK_67 Who says crime doesn't pay........................

Louisville must be kicking themselves for self-imposing this year. Mark Emmert could've had a 75% chance of handing the championship trophy to a known cheater. What a story line!

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ud69 UVA/Syracuse game - Very interesting game to watch. UVA doing everything right, attacking the zone well by rotating guys to the foul line and is up 16. Then Syracuse hits a trey, puts on a full court press, turns over UVA and hits 2 more treys. UVA now goes away from what was working, misses shots and Syracuse puts it away. Just as they did to us, the Syracuse inside length shut down UVA late. As we found out, really tough to finish inside. Good coaching by both sides.

It's the 2nd half and UVa is up 14, dead ball, and is about to bring the ball up court...the inbounder rolls the ball to the point guard who allows it to slowly make it's way toward midcourt and he picks it up just before a defender approaches him.

I'm sitting on my throne thinking 'what's that f'in idiot doing? You're up 14...you want the f'in clock to RUN'. Once over midcourt, UVa repeatedly took shots with 8-17 seconds remaining on the shot clock...WTF!

And this type of stupid play went on the entire 2nd half. Up 14, you inbound the ball to the point guard and tell him to take 8 seconds to cross midcourt...and don't take anything but a layup if there's more than 10 seconds on the shot clock...

I feel sorry for some teams...like Northern Iowa, but I have no sympathy for stupid teams. Which includes UVa, who may know how to play basketball, but obviously don't understand basketball.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by rollo It's the 2nd half and UVa is up 14, dead ball, and is about to bring the ball up court...the inbounder rolls the ball to the point guard who allows it to slowly make it's way toward midcourt and he picks it up just before a defender approaches him. I'm sitting on my throne thinking 'what's that f'in idiot doing? You're up 14...you want the f'in clock to RUN'. Once over midcourt, UVa repeatedly took shots with 8-17 seconds remaining on the shot clock...WTF!

I couldn't figure out what they were thinking. You're winning, you want to shorten the game not lengthen it. It was driving me bonkers watching it happen time after time.

[San Diego Flyer]

The quick shots were beyond stupid. Coach needed to show some emotion on that.

I thought maybe they wanted the whole shot clock to cool SU down when they rolled the ball. Still questionable strategy. More likely the guard was being cute and totally lost sight of the game situation.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Still questionable strategy. More likely the guard was being cute and totally lost sight of the game situation.

IMRO, this rolling the ball up the court behavior is the new trendy cool look-at-me thing to do because I see it at every level...3rd grade thru HS and college...and it makes 0 sense...zip...nada...none.

AAU ball typically has 20 minute running clocks per half and I see kids allow the ball to roll to midcourt...slowly...every game. They really think they're saving time and looking cool doing it...yet the clock is running the entire time. I have yet to see/hear a coach tell a kid to pick up the ball and run the offense. Common-Sense-Coaching rarely exists anymore, in fact, coaching at most every level is barely above 'suck'. Again...that's IMRO.

[San Diego Flyer]

I could understand the "free roll" in a one possession game where you are behind and get the ball at their end with 5 seconds left and they are not pressing. If they are stupid enough to let you do it, you get the possession in your end with still 5 left. The other 99% of the time it's a moronic strategy.

There was an early NCAA game with a 16 seed where the opposing guard actually dove for the rolling ball and tipped it to a teammate who cashed in a dunk at the other end.

[rollo]

If I'm inbounding the ball to SDF with 5 seconds left and there is no press, picture what is happening...

If he's standing 30 feet from me - unguarded - I can pass the ball to him in a split second and no time will run off the game clock.

If he's 30 feet from me - unguarded - I can roll the ball to him and even though it will take 6 seconds to get to him, no time will run off the clock.

So how does rolling to ball to anyone save time? It doesn't!!!

In fact, if time is of the essence, I want to hit SDF on the run so he has momentum on his side, and this is only possible if I pass it to him. So in reality, rolling the ball not only doesn't save time, it also slows down the person receiving the pass.

So again, why do coaches allow it?!

Or am I, once again, the smartest person in the room?!

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by rollo If I'm inbounding the ball to SDF with 5 seconds left and there is no press, picture what is happening... If he's standing 30 feet from me - unguarded - I can pass the ball to him in a split second and no time will run off the game clock. If he's 30 feet from me - unguarded - I can roll the ball to him and even though it will take 6 seconds to get to him, no time will run off the clock. So how does rolling to ball to anyone save time? It doesn't!!! In fact, if time is of the essence, I want to hit SDF on the run so he has momentum on his side, and this is only possible if I pass it to him. So in reality, rolling the ball not only doesn't save time, it also slows down the person receiving the pass. So again, why do coaches allow it?! Or am I, once again, the smartest person in the room?!

Potentially, the man inbounding the ball can "get into position" while the ball is rolling??