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archie talked about it a few seconds ago on periscope, I assume the full replay will be available when the presser is over...
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Sounds like there is no knee ligament damage, but they are still having doctors examine the severity of the sprain over the next 24-36 hours to figure out the extent of the bruising and approx length of recovery. Sounds like Archie is releaved it won't be a "long term" problem in terms of his career, but its going to be a while before he's back in a flyer uniform this season.
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Watching this presser from Archie you can see a little sense of relief from him about Josh's injury.
Matthew Schwade @FlyerHoops 2m2 minutes ago
Dayton's Josh Cunningham is out "TBD" with bruising in knee and lower leg after being hurt on a dunk in the closing seconds on Tuesday
Matthew Schwade @FlyerHoops 2m2 minutes ago
Archie Miller said they are "out of the woods" when it comes to severe knee damage.
Matthew Schwade @FlyerHoops 1m1 minute ago
Archie said they will likely get a better idea on the timetable in the next 24-36 hours.
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watched archie's presser real-time on periscope ...
sounds like the knee is amazingly OK, still evaluating ankle damage. hoping just sprain and bruising. best case scenario TBD, but planning to be without him for some time
https://www.periscope.tv/DavidPJablonski/1rmxPbQoArgGN
kendall still out, slowly progressing, regenerating muscle. 4-6 week injury for most, but archie thinks he's ahead of schedule. doubtful for wooden classic.
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David Jablonski @DavidPJablonski 1m1 minute ago Dayton, OH
Archie ended that with: "All that good news! Happy holidays everyone!
God was looking down on us and saying I will not let you down again after what happened to Big Steve... pretty encouraging news I would say!
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Originally Posted by Columbia Blue
watched archie's presser real-time on periscope ...
sounds like the knee is amazingly OK, still evaluating ankle damage. hoping just sprain and bruising. best case scenario TBD, but planning to be without him for some time
https://www.periscope.tv/DavidPJablonski/1rmxPbQoArgGN
kendall still out, slowly progressing, regenerating muscle. 4-6 week injury for most, but archie thinks he's ahead of schedule
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That's a miracle that it's not a significant knee injury or any kind of break for Josh. Getting him back maybe by January sometime would be terrific.
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Amazing no significant damage. Most likely a February return being realistic, if everything breaks our way. Hopefully, next 10-15 games just got dicey.
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I'm telling you if we beat SMC on Saturday without Josh and likely Kendall... Archie is a freaking wizard lol
Time for Trey to get some PT, use that strength and athleticism
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Originally Posted by Archie MillerLite
Amazing no significant damage. Most likely a February return being realistic, if everything breaks our way. Hopefully, next 10-15 games just got dicey.
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I bet he is back by Conference play at the latest
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I was thinking the same thing as Archie when the injury happened, that it could be "career ending". Great news at this point. Hang in there Josh, all that waiting and hard work will still be worth it and pay off. Hope to see him in January!
Paging Mr. Trey Landers....you have a wonderful opportunity coming up son...take it and run.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
I bet he is back by Conference play at the latest
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Agree. He'll most likely be out 5-6 weeks and return for conference play.
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Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago
I was thinking the same thing as Archie when the injury happened, that it could be "career ending". Great news at this point. Hang in there Josh, all that waiting and hard work will still be worth it and pay off. Hope to see him in January!
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This injury will have no bearing on Trey Landers' playing time. He plays a completely different position.
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I'm well aware that he plays a completely different position. Our line-up and style of play will be completely different for the next few months now with both Josh and Pollard out. He will see added playing time now-that he normally wouldn't have seen-and we could use a shot in the arm from him is what I'm saying.
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David Jablonski @DavidPJablonski 4m4 minutes ago Dayton, OH
Archie also said he expects Trey Landers to get playing time with Cunningham out.
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life
This injury will have no bearing on Trey Landers' playing time. He plays a completely different position.
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I disagree. Going to have to juggle different lineups out there with guys filling different spots/roles than if we had Pollard/Cunningham.
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Well....I don't do this very often.....but I guess I was wrong! HaHa. I think Trey will be fine physically, it's the mental part of the game I worry about.
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“I think from a positive standpoint, we’re out of the woods on knee damage, surgically-repaired knee issues,” Miller said. “I think we have some bruising in there. The biggest concern now are the specifics of his lower leg, as it got bent back. That’s where we’re unclear of how severe the damage is in the ankle and tibia area. we know he has bruising. we’re just not much sure about how much else has sort of gone on in there. More doctors over the next 24-36 hours is going to give us a complete image. But the one thing I can say is I feel really good we were very very disappointed that maybe he had done some damage to the knee, which would require some surgeries and whatnot. We’ve gotten over that hump, which is a good step, but he’s still not out of the woods.”
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I'm hopeful that 6'4" Trey will help us. But a bit puzzled with how he is going to fill the shoes of Kendall and/or Josh. Seems to me it's Ryan, Sam, and Xeyrius that have to fish or cut bait. We need some vertical help, plus blocking out so the opponents don't go into a tip drill like 'Bama did on the offensive boards.
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Originally Posted by bcross
I disagree. Going to have to juggle different lineups out there with guys filling different spots/roles than if we had Pollard/Cunningham.
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I agree. Next question is whether Pollard is out 1-2 more weeks as Archie seemed to indicate or could it be a little longer.
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Not sure he is even an A-10 caliber player? Really confused about his being recruited by Archie?
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Even at 6'4" Trey can go in and fight for a rebound. While HS is certainly different than college, the one HS game I saw of Trey's was his junior year when they matched up against Findley Prep and their slew of high D1 players; probably as good a collection of talent as you'll see on the HS level. Trey attacked the glass hard that night. He's got decent athleticism.
Its not ideal, but I think its an option and worth looking at. You can say its on Ryan, Sam & Xeyrius, but those 3 and UD's gaurds were a big reason why Bama had 18 offensive rebounds. What does UD have to lose by at least exploring Trey as an option.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
I'm hopeful that 6'4" Trey will help us. But a bit puzzled with how he is going to fill the shoes of Kendall and/or Josh. Seems to me it's Ryan, Sam, and Xeyrius that have to fish or cut bait. We need some vertical help, plus blocking out so the opponents don't go into a tip drill like 'Bama did on the offensive boards.
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I don't think he is going to directly replace either Josh or Kendall, but it will require the rotations to change. If Sam and/or Xeyrius get in foul trouble you'll see Charles move down low more and Trey move in.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
I'm hopeful that 6'4" Trey will help us. But a bit puzzled with how he is going to fill the shoes of Kendall and/or Josh. Seems to me it's Ryan, Sam, and Xeyrius that have to fish or cut bait. We need some vertical help, plus blocking out so the opponents don't go into a tip drill like 'Bama did on the offensive boards.
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How tall do you think Pollard is? He is not 6'6 Pierre was listed 6'6 and towered over him on the court. Landers height does not matter in that regard. Its his physical prowess and strength that we need. Much in the same fashion as Pollard.
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Originally Posted by Medford
Even at 6'4" Trey can go in and fight for a rebound. While HS is certainly different than college, the one HS game I saw of Trey's was his junior year when they matched up against Findley Prep and their slew of high D1 players; probably as good a collection of talent as you'll see on the HS level. Trey attacked the glass hard that night. He's got decent athleticism.
Its not ideal, but I think its an option and worth looking at. You can say its on Ryan, Sam & Xeyrius, but those 3 and UD's gaurds were a big reason why Bama had 18 offensive rebounds. What does UD have to lose by at least exploring Trey as an option.
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You were at this game so it is somewhat disappointing to hear you say that Trey has "decent" athleticism.
If anyone watches this video and still feels that Trey has "decent" athleticism please be the first to set me straight. This game was from his Junior year in HS. He completely shut the place down after his one handed put back slam.
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Thrilled to hear the JC will be back in short order, next to what it could have been...
We might not be the greatest team in the country, but I doubt many will argue that we're one of the toughest. Just ask tOSU, Syracuse, etc how well UD can respond to challenges!
I can't help but to wonder what this team could be if not for an unfortunately and untimely loss of our lone brute inside (RIP, big guy), KP at full strength and JC uninjured. It could be a very special team.
When doors close, others open. I wondered how this team would fare after losing some incredibly tallented players next year. A basketball program is a different story than any given team or span within a program. Our young kids are going to have to make a decision - eat or be eaten. I hope they are hungry, because any and all of them have an opportunity right now to show what they are made of.
If we can succeed right now, it brightens our future as a program even more!
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Sorry RDW but I do not believe the kid is a top division 1 player if you have watched him play he is not as quick in real time and that means a great deal because he is playing against every kid who is very athletic and even more so than he is!!
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Originally Posted by Shawnee2
Not sure he is even an A-10 caliber player? Really confused about his being recruited by Archie?
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You have said, "Our sophomore class is less than adequate," and next season "we will have 5 juniors and a senior who are lower Division I players at best!" Now you say Landers is probably not an A-10 caliber player. I love your optimism.
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Originally Posted by RamodWaleskowski
How tall do you think Pollard is? He is not 6'6 Pierre was listed 6'6 and towered over him on the court. Landers height does not matter in that regard. Its his physical prowess and strength that we need. Much in the same fashion as Pollard.
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He appears to be a physical specimen. But without Josh and Kendall's space eating frame we are fighting the opposition's length with our hops. It's an uphill battle on the offensive boards.
You can't take a pill and be a Sophomore. Trey will get schooled on defense while he is learning. This is high level D1. I love what he will be some day. Now they will attack him on offense and initially fouls will limit his play IMO. He's played 8 minutes of D1 basketball and has 4 personal fouls. It's a rare prospect that does not go through that for many games.
That's taking nothing away from his potential.
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I still have some eligibility left if they need a clumsy bruiser in the paint.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
I'm hopeful that 6'4" Trey will help us. But a bit puzzled with how he is going to fill the shoes of Kendall and/or Josh. Seems to me it's Ryan, Sam, and Xeyrius that have to fish or cut bait. We need some vertical help, plus blocking out so the opponents don't go into a tip drill like 'Bama did on the offensive boards.
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I think Ryan will be fine. It's X and Sam I worry about. Sam played 25m on Tuesday and had 1 rebound. X played 15m and had 0. How is that even possible? You'd think the ball would have at least accidentally rolled to them a couple of times. I think if you and I had played a combined 40m we could have at least matched that!
If they're in the game to rebound and play "big", and can't do that, the only other option is a 4 guard, more athletic set. Hence the addition of Trey. I wouldn't look at it as filling their shoes so to speak, rather a totally new look where AM hopes to force the other team to go quick and small to match our athleticism.
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That is one formula for countering the opponent's pounding the O boards. Make them pay with quick strikes on the break when they are not successful, or even if they are successful, grabbing the ball out the net and the first pass goes to mid court. One problem with that is Charles had 10 defensive boards which we really needed, but that leaves him 90 feet from our bucket. We need our bigs to get those and pass to Charles at midcourt which puts our best finisher out on the break with Scoochie, Kyle, and Crosby.
Alabama had 9 team rebounds and we had 1. Hmmm.
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I think Ryan will be fine. It's X and Sam I worry about. Sam played 25m on Tuesday and had 1 rebound. X played 15m and had 0. How is that even possible? You'd think the ball would have at least accidentally rolled to them a couple of times. I think if you and I had played a combined 40m we could have at least matched that
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As SD Flyer pointed out, it has a lot to do with Charles Cooke hitting the boards. If Sam Miller can box guys out like Kurt Huelsman used to do, and Charles Cooke gobbles up those boards, that seems fine.
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If they're in the game to rebound and play "big", and can't do that, the only other option is a 4 guard, more athletic set. Hence the addition of Trey. I wouldn't look at it as filling their shoes so to speak, rather a totally new look where AM hopes to force the other team to go quick and small to match our athleticism.
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That is one formula for countering the opponent's pounding the O boards. Make them pay with quick strikes on the break when they are not successful, or even if they are successful, grabbing the ball out the net and the first pass goes to mid court. One problem with that is Charles had 10 defensive boards which we really needed, but that leaves him 90 feet from our bucket. We need our bigs to get those and pass to Charles at midcourt which puts our best finisher out on the break with Scoochie, Kyle, and Crosby.
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I agree with the sentiment that Dayton wants to get out on the break and score quickly. Dyshawn Pierre and Kendall Pollard were both very good at facilitating that. Sometimes it was an outlet pass to a guard (as SD Flyer is calling for), but just as often those guys grabbed the board and just took off the down the court with it themselves, leading the break (and thus acting as that 4th guard that 224 is calling for).
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A number of years ago, I landed awkwardly playing basketball and ruptured a number of tendons in my ankle/foot. Could not walk, no pressure on foot. They put me in a boot and for 6 weeks, then I could play ball again when I could run a mile no pain. I'm no athlete and don't have the rehab these guys have access to. My guess is 8 weeks and he's back. Because it's not just the healing/strengthening in the ankle, but the conditioning afterwards. I'd look for him at the start of league play.
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It generally takes at least six weeks to recover from severe high ankle sprains. And that's for athletes who have access to quality care and round-the-clock physical therapy. Basketball players are typically subjected to the "hops test" before being cleared to play, which basically means they have to jump up and down 15 times or so a minute without pain. Cunningham's bruising may complicate his recovery. But even if all goes well, I suspect it will be mid-January before he's ready to suit up.
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Originally Posted by 224
I think Ryan will be fine. It's X and Sam I worry about. Sam played 25m on Tuesday and had 1 rebound. X played 15m and had 0. How is that even possible? You'd think the ball would have at least accidentally rolled to them a couple of times. I think if you and I had played a combined 40m we could have at least matched that!
If they're in the game to rebound and play "big", and can't do that, the only other option is a 4 guard, more athletic set. Hence the addition of Trey. I wouldn't look at it as filling their shoes so to speak, rather a totally new look where AM hopes to force the other team to go quick and small to match our athleticism.
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Yupper....what's even worse from my prospective, I don't see it in either one of them...not in their eyes, not in their movement when they are around the basket on either end of the floor.
Body language and facial expression = Where am I and How did I get here?
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Cunningham's bruising may complicate his recovery. But even if all goes well, I suspect it will be mid-January before he's ready to suit up.
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And by then he would have missed five conference games, including the home game with Rhode Island. Let's hope Pollard can get back sooner. We really need at least one of them.
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When you look at this issue of offensive boards by the opposition, as viewed from top down, it is a chicken and egg deal. Alabama hit the O boards and put us in a bit of a panic situation.
So we had to resort to holding the guards in after shots to slow the Tide's field day they were having on put backs.
According to UD stats we only scored 2 buckets on fast breaks the whole game. We rebounded even with Austin Peay, but had 33 fast break points.
We all recall the Chris Wright, CJ, Marcus Johnson days when a Dayton shot went up and the opponents turned immediately and ran for the other end with all five players. They feared our break.
I really don't expect a repeat of the rebound performance at Alabama. I think Archie will work both ends of the equation---better defensive rebounding & pushing the ball up the court more.
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Not saying that Dayton doesn't need to get tougher on the glass, but Dayton was 24/45 from the floor and Bama was 23/59. Bama had a much higher opportunity for offensive rebounds by virtue of their poor shooting.
Last year, the Flyers were one of the top teams in the country at securing defensive rebounds allowing opponents to get Off Rebs just 24% of the time. Through two games Flyers are allowing opponents to rebound 37% of their misses.
Without Steve and with Dayton's other bigs missing time to injury they are unlikely to be as effective in that area last year. They'll need to find other areas in which to improve. One area that jumps out is TOs. Last year's squad was very careless with the ball and I would expect significant improvement just from the sophomores as frosh are generally TO prone.
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I keep coming to this thread looking for new information or updates on the injury and potential recovery..........only to find continued posts about the deficiencies of our potential replacements, who's D1 caliber and who's not, our lack of toughness on the glass, what we should do during his absence, etc.
Hoping to find out more information soon and that I know where to find it on this forum.
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the Flyers are in trouble on the glass. Cunningham was their best rebounder, they are missing their top2 rebounders from last year and they don't have much size. You can't run if you don't board.
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I agree. Next question is whether Pollard is out 1-2 more weeks as Archie seemed to indicate or could it be a little longer.
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I've heard multiple people on this forum suggest that he is the most physical player outisde of Josh and Kendall. I think that is why people including Archie believe he needs to get PT with them both out.
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I keep coming to this thread looking for new information or updates on the injury and potential recovery..........only to find continued posts about the deficiencies of our potential replacements, who's D1 caliber and who's not, our lack of toughness on the glass, what we should do during his absence, etc.
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I keep coming to this thread looking for new information or updates on the injury and potential recovery..........only to find continued posts about the deficiencies of our potential replacements, who's D1 caliber and who's not, our lack of toughness on the glass, what we should do during his absence, etc.
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When you look at this issue of offensive boards by the opposition, as viewed from top down, it is a chicken and egg deal. Alabama hit the O boards and put us in a bit of a panic situation.
So we had to resort to holding the guards in after shots to slow the Tide's field day they were having on put backs.
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It didn't look to me like Alabama was "crashing" the boards from all angles. It looked to me like whoever happened to be within 5 feet of the rim just turned around and got the rebound. I could be wrong but I really didn't see any sort of a concerted strategy to exploit a weakness. They didn't need to.
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As athletic as Trey is....he is a freshman...period.
Picking up the slack in the paint for the next few games isn't and shouldn't rest on Trey's shoulders. Sam, X, and Mikesell HAVE to step up. Like it or not, they aren't freshman anymore and need to play like it. Ryan has done the best out of the 3...but Sam and X have to step up against good bigs. They need to stay out of foul trouble and play like they have a season under their belt. No excuses.
In the next few games, this team will go as far as Sam/X/Ryan take them. Our guard play will be solid as it always is...we can't get exposed in the paint and they have to rebound as a TEAM.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
It didn't look to me like Alabama was "crashing" the boards from all angles. It looked to me like whoever happened to be within 5 feet of the rim just turned around and got the rebound. I could be wrong but I really didn't see any sort of a concerted strategy to exploit a weakness. They didn't need to.
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I agree we need to continue to focus on rebounding. Also want to say all the numbers count in stats, even if we have one bad moment. That said, the 18 offensive rebounds Alabama had might not be as "bad" as it looks. We gave up 7 in the first half basically without Josh on the floor. We gave up 11 the second half with Josh on the floor. In the second half, there was one trip down the floor Alabama got 6 shots and 5 offensive rebounds. We couldn't get the rebound and they finally made their shot. If they had made their second attempt, it would have been only one rebound, not five. You take 4 off their 11 in the second half and we gave up 7 just like the first half. Rebounding will be a challenge all year and we have to get after it every minute of every game. We only lost the second chance points 9-12. We took our 5 offensive boards and scored 9 points. They had 18 offensive boards and only got 12 points off them. You can overcome that 3 point difference, and it reflects that trip when they got 5 offensive rebounds, but only 2 points off all of those. I'm saying we might be ok - not great, but ok - until KP and JC get healthy. Time will tell if the others get after it with added effort.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
It didn't look to me like Alabama was "crashing" the boards from all angles. It looked to me like whoever happened to be within 5 feet of the rim just turned around and got the rebound. I could be wrong but I really didn't see any sort of a concerted strategy to exploit a weakness. They didn't need to.
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It's tough to own up to the fact that a Flyer team is getting out hustled, but these games have that appearance. Findlay out rebounded us, even with Josh. Alabama had 9 team rebounds to our 1. Whether it was a strategy or just hustle, it had the same effect. We need a lot more fight in the dog.
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there is some luck in rebounding, that being said you need to have multiple people chasing a rebound. The Flyers will have to send more to rebound but that is less to get out on the break. They will have to rebound as a team but it will slow down their ability to run.
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The Boston celtics have a similar issue without a true center. The coach said that if you are guarding someone larger your job is simply to keep him from getting the rebound. Then rely on guards and small forwards to actually get the rebounds
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Of course they are. Thats awesome. I hope they can do something for him and his family on his Senior night in two years. maybe John,Ryan,Sam,X or Josh will wear the number 5 for that game. Steve's Parents and siblings should absolutely be invited.
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Bad news for @DaytonMBB and Josh Cunningham. Out 3 months. Late-season return not ruled out.
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Brutal. Sam's time to shine. Cooke has to take a bigger load on for rebounding now. Now I'm really begging to be wrong about Kendall. If he can get back, you absolutely play him if you are in the hunt for a berth. Getting a 6th year medical redshirt is a complete crapshoot
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Rebounding is nothing more than heart and effort. The harder you work, the more boards you get. Dennis Rodman...enough said....guys wasn't much of an offensive player but he worked his butt off and made a living on D and on the glass.
Hate to say it...but Josh should apply for a waiver and take the season off...why come back with a month to go in the season...going to take weeks after cleared to return to be at game speed anyway...come back in the fall.
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If a transfer is eligible, can they still enroll and play this semester? If not, how about next semester?
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Rebounding is nothing more than heart and effort. The harder you work, the more boards you get. Dennis Rodman...enough said....guys wasn't much of an offensive player but he worked his butt off and made a living on D and on the glass.
Hate to say it...but Josh should apply for a waiver and take the season off...why come back with a month to go in the season...going to take weeks after cleared to return to be at game speed anyway...come back in the fall.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
Rebounding is nothing more than heart and effort. The harder you work, the more boards you get. Dennis Rodman...enough said....guys wasn't much of an offensive player but he worked his butt off and made a living on D and on the glass.
Hate to say it...but Josh should apply for a waiver and take the season off...why come back with a month to go in the season...going to take weeks after cleared to return to be at game speed anyway...come back in the fall.
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I lived in Dallas and had season tickets to the Mavericks the year Rodman was on the team for awhile. So I got to see him play live. He did work his backside off to get rebounds. One of his tricks to the trade was to tip the ball if he wasn't in the best place to get the rebound. Instead of trying to grab the ball when someone else had better position, he would tip it back and then go after it. He was a master at this. I would guess he got half his rebounds this way. And I've never seen another player do it much. He did it all the time.
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Hate to say it...but Josh should apply for a waiver and take the season off...why come back with a month to go in the season...going to take weeks after cleared to return to be at game speed anyway...come back in the fall.
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Only reasons would be 1) he in no way wants to be in college 6 years, regardless of the number of graduate and undergraduate degrees he receives.
2). He is the difference in an NCAA bid or one is certain and he would trade one for an extra year.
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What in the heck happened to the he is hurting but not serious and TBD?
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Nobody would be eligible this semester even a grad transfer. And this guy isn't a grad transfer. He would have to sit out a year. Moreover he has been suspended at UVA and then dismissed. I don't see UD even admitting him.
The roster is what it is. No one will be added unless it is a walkon. I guess Wehrli could technically enroll in grad school and play next semester.
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Let's be honest. With the exception of Mikesell, our sophomores are F'n awful. I'm scared for our future and for Archie to stick around after this year. Don't have to agree but the truth hurts.
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Some moderator changed my title and ultimately jinxed the whole thing. Whoever did it, next time don't.
If I'm Dayton I Apply for the medical redshirt by the time he is game ready it will be March 15 at minimum.
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Before someone jumps in, let me clarify that I'm not including Cunningham in my assessment of "sophomore class". Crosby, Williams and Miller. Ouch.
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The number of student athletes that want to be in college for six years is practically nil. In only the rarest of cases do the players even want a sixth year, let alone get the petition approved.
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The number of student athletes that want to be in college for six years is practically nil. In only the rarest of cases do the players even want a sixth year, let alone get the petition approved.
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Kevin Kuwik said today there is precedence for Josh to get the extra year.
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Archie may be saying Josh is done for the year because he is tired of coming on here and dealing with all the Pollard questions and doesn't want to have to deal with both. My prediction if that if there is a shot at an NCAA birth, he will play. If not, he will apply for a medical red shirt, get it but never use it.
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Archie may be saying Josh is done for the year because he is tired of coming on here and dealing with all the Pollard questions and doesn't want to have to deal with both. My prediction if that if there is a shot at an NCAA birth, he will play. If not, he will apply for a medical red shirt, get it but never use it.
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I believe that is unlikely. I don't believe he can even apply till after his 5th year is complete. A 6th year hardship waiver is not a typical medical redshirt. Many are granted. But one reason they have been denied is because the player used a year by transferring.
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if I am not mistaken, isn't Josh going to med school? if that is the case, he should be happy to stay at Dayton for another year and play basketball.
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Let's be honest. With the exception of Mikesell, our sophomores are F'n awful. I'm scared for our future and for Archie to stick around after this year. Don't have to agree but the truth hurts.
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Let's be honest. With the exception of Mikesell, our sophomores are F'n awful. I'm scared for our future and for Archie to stick around after this year. Don't have to agree but the truth hurts.
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The sky is falling..... Lets run away! Archie is old school like his dad and has no intention of leaving give it a rest. What he has now is another challenge.
I was unimpressed with the sophomore play except for Mikesell for a good part of the game. Miller and Xerius improved quite a bit as the game went on. I don't know what is going on with Cosby as he seemed to be a deer in the headlights.
Scochie was amazing with his dribble penetration and body control. We had a chance.
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I am not sure why people are impressed with Mikesell's play. 2-9 for 6 points, 6 rebounds and 2 turnovers. Miller 2-7 for 8 points, 5 rebounds and 1 turnover. Crosby 0-3 and a bunch of nothing in 9 minutes.
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Xeyrius had a nightmare game. From the first minute he entered the game until the offensive charge with seconds left, nightmare. Think about what Kendall did for this team as a sophomore and think about what these guys how showed in the first few games. Scary. No, I'm scared how we will fall.
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6 years happen. I thought it was someone in the Missouri valley, maybe Nate funk or something just off the top of my head can't remember.
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Xeyrius had a nightmare game. From the first minute he entered the game until the offensive charge with seconds left, nightmare. Think about what Kendall did for this team as a sophomore and think about what these guys how showed in the first few games. Scary. No, I'm scared how we will fall.
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Thinking back on Kendall, he had many Xeyrius moments, such as the same kind of offensive fouls, but he kept his composure and came right back with some big plays. That is what we need to see out of this guy. It would help if he got his weight and strength up, which will take time.
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Seems that it is too late to enroll and play this semester, and while it seems possible to get a transfer for next semester, anybody decent would seem to have transferred already. It doesn't make sense to wait until the second semester to transfer as the player will have already missed about half of the year.
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If that is true, why would he stay. He will probably have completed undergrad and MCATs in 5. Wouldn't you move to somewhere with a med school - which probably means not playing.
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These sophomores aren't playing like the current seniors when they were sophomores Yes, we are way early...but the guys on the floor don't seem to put off the same vibe as the current seniors.
Josh should get the hardship waiver. Even if he doesn't, it makes no sense to bring him back even with a tournament berth. He comes back with a month left in the season...it will take him two weeks at a minimum to be at game speed and give something productive on the court...also creating a situation where everyone's roles will have already been defined only for them to change again. Him coming back late this season doesn't really do anything productive for the team or him.
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But really, the 3 month back thingy is anyone's guess as to the real severity of the injury. Some heal faster/slower than others. I agree that if it is three months before he could see the court, bank it for another year. In the unlikely event that he is running in two months, then we may take another look at where the team is at that point. Could he make a difference? Or is it even possible to make a difference at that point in time?
I think he should apply for the waiver if he misses this year. With that in hand, it depends on whether he and the team are having a positive experience whether he stays or moves on to med school somewhere else.
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But really, the 3 month back thingy is anyone's guess as to the real severity of the injury. Some heal faster/slower than others. I agree that if it is three months before he could see the court, bank it for another year. In the unlikely event that he is running in two months, then we may take another look at where the team is at that point. Could he make a difference? Or is it even possible to make a difference at that point in time?
I think he should apply for the waiver if he misses this year. With that in hand, it depends on whether he and the team are having a positive experience whether he stays or moves on to med school somewhere else.
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Do you know the timing of the waiver? Does he have to apply now or can he apply if/when he finds out the return date or lack thereof?
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This medical staff is extremely conservative. I cannot remember a case for the Men's or Women's where someone came back on time or early. We have had players miss almost the whole year with bruised thighs, banged up knees and concussions. I put my money on more than 3 months.
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Do you know the timing of the waiver? Does he have to apply now or can he apply if/when he finds out the return date or lack thereof?
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According to Kevin, he will have to wait until at least season's end to apply for the waiver.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Only reasons would be 1) he in no way wants to be in college 6 years, regardless of the number of graduate and undergraduate degrees he receives.
2). He is the difference in an NCAA bid or one is certain and he would trade one for an extra year.
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I would think that the NCAA bid chances/reality will have been decided by the time he comes back. Or at least, we would have a good idea.
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Agree but it helps to be 6'11"...you can't teach tall#
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I'll give you that...but I look to guys like Charles Little/Chris Johnson...not the biggest guys but worked their butts off and got the job done.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
According to Kevin, he will have to wait until at least season's end to apply for the waiver.
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I thought the sixth year waiver had to wait, unlike the typical medical redshirt that would be end of year. Maybe it has changed. Certainly Kuwik would know more than me.
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After reading this from Gary Parish's article Nicholas' dismissal, I don't think he is anyone UD wants...
"After speaking to sources Friday night I'll be shocked if he ever plays another minute of college basketball and unsurprised if he never plays basketball again at any level. Truth is, whether Nichols actually enjoys playing has long been questioned by coaches who have worked with him and folks who know him well."
http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...hings-to-know/
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3 months means mid-February. NCAA tournament would be almost 4 months. There's no way he doesn't play if he is cleared to by then. Unless we have no shot whatsoever at a bid.
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Josh's mother said he will be back in Archdeacon article, I will go with a mother's intuition
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo
3 months means mid-February. NCAA tournament would be almost 4 months. There's no way he doesn't play if he is cleared to by then. Unless we have no shot whatsoever at a bid.
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Agree..It's not even close to a Pierre type situation where it was his last season and the question floating was should he RS to come back for a whole season to improve his pro stock or help out UD after the 10 games and be part of something special..
Cunningham still has 2 full years after this season should he be well/able enough to come back in mid Feb..The questions remaining are 1) Does Cunningham want to stay in school 6 years should he get that medical RS or 2) where will UD be as a team in 3 months and could he be that stimulus to help this team get over the top and into the NCAA tourney or even if they're already a NCAA team can he be that catalyst to vault them up a notch for advancement...
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Odd are he's done for the year. But the fact that the door is open a crack to him returning this year is good news IMO mainly because it's a great motivator in rehab.
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It is his business, not ours, whether or not he pursues a waiver. The speculation by everyone is crazy. I will pray for his quick return and successful rehab. If he cannot return this year, that is his business. Good luck on your rehab Josh
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I hope he just rehabs with the mindset of coming back fully healed. If it takes more time then so be it. Come back stronger next season. For his sake.
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