Trey Landers

[KC Flyer]

Trey has a role on this team next year... not sure what/where but he can play. I was at the game and watching him during shoot around and then the last few minutes on the court, he just looks like a player. He moves and does things that not all guys on the court can do. I'm confident that AM has a plan for Trey.

[San Diego Flyer]

He was very impressive in the few short minutes he played. Aggressive always, smart, strong and more. He is a stud. Might occupy Kendall's place next year as an enforcer.

[Beatty Town Coach]

Perhaps RaymodWaleskowski can tell us why Trey Landers should start. Afterall he and Trey attended the same high school.

[RamodWaleskowski]

Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach Perhaps RaymodWaleskowski can tell us why Trey Landers should start. Afterall he and Trey attended the same high school.

Idk about start. I can tell you why he should play though. He's a stud.

Beatty town huh. What the f*** is that?

[TommyGola]

He is extremely athletic and has learned to move without the ball. On the defensive side of the ball, he is a bit of a "bull in a china shop," but that can be fixed.

[jerseyflyer09]

I don't think he was expected to contribute much this year as it was. On top of that to Archie's admission he was forced to go from a wing to a 4 with Josh's injury and that slowed his progress a bit more. He seems to be locked in and happy and I agree, we could see a significant improvement next season. He may not have a super high ceiling but I think he's poised to be a really solid player for us down the road.

[m21eagle45]

Don't get me wrong, Trey looked good today and showed some potential...but he was playing in garbage time against a 9 win SLU team. Why don't we at least wait until he gets in during garbage time against a better team before we start calling him a potential starter for next year? I think he has a chance to be a decent player, but he hasn't played anything close to meaningful minutes all year. It was a great effort, he showed good things, but lets pump the breaks before we get his expectations too high for him to meet next year and we start threads for him to transfer.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Don't get me wrong, Trey looked good today and showed some potential...but he was playing in garbage time against a 9 win SLU team. Why don't we at least wait until he gets in during garbage time against a better team before we start calling him a potential starter for next year?

I am betting he starts or is first off the bench next year. This isn't based on numbers or who he has been on the floor against. This is for a few other reasons.

His moves without the ball VERY well, if not better than many on the team. He gets open because of athleticism. He is strong and quick. He has a much better physical build than the overwhelming majority of freshman...he's built like a junior. He is aggressive at getting to the rim and getting behind his defender to get action towards the bucket. Bench/role guys that don't get many minutes usually aren't aggressive. This leads me to believe that he is getting opportunities in practice to be "that guy" on the second 5....I think this transitions into him easily sliding into a prominent role next season. Defensively he didn't have a clue in his first outings. He hustles his A off on D and gets to the spots in order to play strong defense. He is quick to get to the ball from the help, he has the guts to slide into a guy and make contact.

The little things that I observe him doing on the floor makes me think that he gets it in practice and is probably pretty productive in practice. I also bet that he is tasked with being the toughest "opponent" when going up against the first 5 in practice.

In the end...I like the kid. He is VERY respectful and as a person, I can see him as a student of the game when it comes to being coached. I don't know this as fact, just guessing from my interactions. I don't see him as someone who came in as a kid that thinks he knows everything. I see him developing as a stud over the next 3 years. Face it, he is a step in front of every freshman walking in the door next year. Both Trey and the incoming freshman have to prove themselves, but Trey has established some position on the team and the new guys aren't just going to walk in where Trey is delegated to a limited role in the future.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by shocka43 I am betting he starts or is first off the bench next year. This isn't based on numbers or who he has been on the floor against. This is for a few other reasons. His moves without the ball VERY well, if not better than many on the team. He gets open because of athleticism. He is strong and quick. He has a much better physical build than the overwhelming majority of freshman...he's built like a junior. He is aggressive at getting to the rim and getting behind his defender to get action towards the bucket. Bench/role guys that don't get many minutes usually aren't aggressive. This leads me to believe that he is getting opportunities in practice to be "that guy" on the second 5....I think this transitions into him easily sliding into a prominent role next season. Defensively he didn't have a clue in his first outings. He hustles his A off on D and gets to the spots in order to play strong defense. He is quick to get to the ball from the help, he has the guts to slide into a guy and make contact. The little things that I observe him doing on the floor makes me think that he gets it in practice and is probably pretty productive in practice. I also bet that he is tasked with being the toughest "opponent" when going up against the first 5 in practice. In the end...I like the kid. He is VERY respectful and as a person, I can see him as a student of the game when it comes to being coached. I don't know this as fact, just guessing from my interactions. I don't see him as someone who came in as a kid that thinks he knows everything. I see him developing as a stud over the next 3 years. Face it, he is a step in front of every freshman walking in the door next year. Both Trey and the incoming freshman have to prove themselves, but Trey has established some position on the team and the new guys aren't just going to walk in where Trey is delegated to a limited role in the future.

I agree 100% with what you are saying. And even in the few times he has gotten in, he has looked better each time. Last night was the first night he was not fouling every time down the floor. It is clear he is getting use to playing at the speed it takes to play at a high level DI game. But as we have seen, people change their minds on a kid real quick around here and start forcing a player out the door.

[CE80]

I'm concerned whether he will be back next year. Once he gets evaluated by the NBA scouts he may take the leap.

[cj]

A comment the TV announcers made is that Landers is a member of the "0% body fat club" or something along those lines.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by cj A comment the TV announcers made is that Landers is a member of the "0% body fat club" or something along those lines.

The 2 of us are in a select group.

[hawkoooo]

No way he starts, but he will see significant minutes that is for sure.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by CE80 I'm concerned whether he will be back next year. Once he gets evaluated by the NBA scouts he may take the leap.

This has to be a joke, but it is so straight-forward and dry that I'm having a hard time deciphering.

[Browns]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo This has to be a joke, but it is so straight-forward and dry that I'm having a hard time deciphering.

if you have to ask...

[Wallage]

I agree he has looked better each time we get to see him on the floor. Strong, aggressive, athletic. Obviously he wants to do something when he gets out there but I think he is forcing the offense less and getting better results in return.

Thanks to shocka for the insight. What position do you think he plays next year? Seems to me it could be anywhere from the 2-4.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

With the kids we
have coming in
and Kostas, how
can anyone say
"This/that will
happen" next year
I'll lv it to AM

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Browns if you have to ask...

[LIBob]

The bench reaction to his plays last night speaks volumes as to what kind of teammate he is.

[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Don't get me wrong, Trey looked good today and showed some potential...but he was playing in garbage time against a 9 win SLU team. Why don't we at least wait until he gets in during garbage time against a better team before we start calling him a potential starter for next year? I think he has a chance to be a decent player, but he hasn't played anything close to meaningful minutes all year. It was a great effort, he showed good things, but lets pump the breaks before we get his expectations too high for him to meet next year and we start threads for him to transfer.

Scratching my head trying to understand this. First off, Trey has looked far worse than last night in a few other games he's played in garbage time against other not-so-good teams so nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious in that he's looking far more comfortable as a Flyer and playing better..

Secondly, please do explain just how the scrubs on "better" teams that hardly ever get into their games except for when their respective team is wiping out another team or getting crushed are really better than the scrubs that play on bad teams? All kinds of players whether all state, all area, or all city in their HS days fill up many of the best rosters/benches in America along with plenty of walk-ons/preferred walk-ons..I'd even go out on a limb and say the scrubs on St Louis are far more experienced as they get far more playing time since they are getting blown out of far more games than UD is blowing teams out..

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve Scratching my head trying to understand this. First off, Trey has looked far worse than last night in a few other games he's played in garbage time against other not-so-good teams so nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious in that he's looking far more comfortable as a Flyer and playing better.. Secondly, please do explain just how the scrubs on "better" teams that hardly ever get into their games except for when their respective team is wiping out another team or getting crushed are really better than the scrubs that play on bad teams? All kinds of players whether all state, all area, or all city in their HS days fill up many of the best rosters/benches in America along with plenty of walk-ons/preferred walk-ons..I'd even go out on a limb and say the scrubs on St Louis are far more experienced as they get far more playing time since they are getting blown out of far more games than UD is blowing teams out..

I said multiple times in this thread he looked better last night. I was not taking away from his play. Just trying to temper expectations for the kid so we don't have another Oliver, Crosby, Miller situation.

As far as the second thing, its kind of explains its self. VCU's bench is probably a lot better than SLU's bench. Most good teams have better backups than bad teams, don't you think? I'd rather see what he can do against them and hope he can play just as well as against a SLU team who is starting a walk-on and most of their bench is walk-ons due to transfers and injuries.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I said multiple times in this thread he looked better last night. I was not taking away from his play. Just trying to temper expectations for the kid so we don't have another Oliver, Crosby, Miller situation. As far as the second thing, its kind of explains its self. VCU's bench is probably a lot better than SLU's bench. Most good teams have better backups than bad teams, don't you think? I'd rather see what he can do against them and hope he can play just as well as against a SLU team who is starting a walk-on and most of their bench is walk-ons due to transfers and injuries.

Maybe, maybe not. Most teams have 12-13 players on a team and who plays when, once outside of the normal rotation of players when"said" team is getting blown out by 30 or up by 30, we really don't know? When you get down to the 9th-13th player I doubt very very much there's a difference at all between the players on UD/VCU versus the rest of the A10. The back-end players on Duke/NC/KY and a few other top 10 teams I'd agree with you ...It's all relative..

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve Maybe, maybe not. Most teams have 12-13 players on a team and who plays when, once outside of the normal rotation of players when"said" team is getting blown out by 30 or up by 30, we really don't know? When you get down to the 9th-13th player I doubt very very much there's a difference at all between the players on UD/VCU versus the rest of the A10. The back-end players on Duke/NC/KY and a few other top 10 teams I'd agree with you ...It's all relative..

But he wasn't playing against their 9th-13th player. He was playing against the 12-16th. They have 4 transfers sitting the bench that can't play. That's 4 scholarship players and their starting PG is out for the year (not officially but Ford said as much as last night). That means they have 8 scholarship players. So your 9-13 are all walk-ons.

EDIT: And if you watch as much A10 basketball as I do...VCU's bench, Dayton's bench, Rhode Island's bench >>>> SLU's bench, Duquesne's bench, UMass' bench. You can see a clear drop off from the starters for the teams at the bottom of the league that you do not see from the teams at the top of the league. If the bad teams in the league had more depth and better players on their bench, then they would be playing.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[TheDuke2003]

No chance Trey starts next year, but he'll definitely be in the rotation on what should be a forward dominant team. Of the new recruits, I don't expect Pierce or Nahziah to get much playing time as they have a lot of experienced players in front of them. Nahziah might get similar PT to what Trey has had this year, but I expect Pierce gets redshirt ed.

Point Guards: John Crosby, McKinley Wright, Darrell Davis in a pinch

Off guards: Darrell Davis, Jordan Davis

Forwards: Josh Cunningham, Xeryius Williams, Kostas Antetokumpo, Ryan Mikesell, Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda

Bigs: Sam Miller, Jordan Pierce

The questions then become:
Does Kostas start?
Do Josh and X both start?
As an older player, is Matej plug and play as a 3 point specialist?
How often do we even play a big?

Plugging all this into a traditional depth chart and answering some of those questions, is have this:

PG: John Crosby, McKinley Wright
G: Darrell Davis, Jordan Davis, Nahziah Carter
F: Kostas Antetokumpo, Matej Svoboda
F: Josh Cunningham, Ryan Mikesell, Trey Landers
F: Xeryius Williams, Sam Miller, Jordan Pierce

Notes:
I think we rarely play a traditional big next year, but when we need one it'll be Miller with Pierce redshirting
Josh will play the "5" spot some as well as X and Sam
Despite looking buried on the depth chart, I think Trey plays 12-15 minutes a game next year in multiple roles
McKinley Wright and Jordan Davis will need to contribute right away
I think Kostas starts and will give us some nice mismatches.
Matej will be primarily instant offense off the bench and a 3 point specialist in the beginning
Jordan Davis will play some at the 2 and 3, as will Nahziah Carter when he plays

I'm certainly not looking past this season and the current great seniors, but next year will be new and interesting.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by TheDuke2003 No chance Trey starts next year, but he'll definitely be in the rotation on what should be a forward dominant team. Of the new recruits, I don't expect Pierce or Nahziah to get much playing time as they have a lot of experienced players in front of them. Nahziah might get similar PT to what Trey has had this year, but I expect Pierce gets redshirt ed. Point Guards: John Crosby, McKinley Wright, Darrell Davis in a pinch Off guards: Darrell Davis, Jordan Davis Forwards: Josh Cunningham, Xeryius Williams, Kostas Antetokumpo, Ryan Mikesell, Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda Bigs: Sam Miller, Jordan Pierce The questions then become: Does Kostas start? Do Josh and X both start? As an older player, is Matej plug and play as a 3 point specialist? How often do we even play a big? Plugging all this into a traditional depth chart and answering some of those questions, is have this: PG: John Crosby, McKinley Wright G: Darrell Davis, Jordan Davis, Nahziah Carter F: Kostas Antetokumpo, Matej Svoboda F: Josh Cunningham, Ryan Mikesell, Trey Landers F: Xeryius Williams, Sam Miller, Jordan Pierce Notes: I think we rarely play a traditional big next year, but when we need one it'll be Miller with Pierce redshirting Josh will play the "5" spot some as well as X and Sam Despite looking buried on the depth chart, I think Trey plays 12-15 minutes a game next year in multiple roles McKinley Wright and Jordan Davis will need to contribute right away I think Kostas starts and will give us some nice mismatches. Matej will be primarily instant offense off the bench and a 3 point specialist in the beginning Jordan Davis will play some at the 2 and 3, as will Nahziah Carter when he plays I'm certainly not looking past this season and the current great seniors, but next year will be new and interesting.

I agree with a most of what you are saying, but I highly doubt Pierce redshirts. This just doesn't happen much in college basketball anymore. Worst case, he gives you some minutes as a rim protector.

[jack72]

The lights are definitely going on for Landers to where he can see playing time, but his big problem is his size. He has to get an outside shot and/or become a Kyle-like defender, otherwise in the normal half court game, teams will leave him unguarded.

[AC91]

I liked what I saw from trey last night. He still has some rough edges, but they are definitely starting to get rounded off. His energy and strength are terrific. Not saying he is going to be a world beater, but i certainly can see him making an impact in a key spot on this team before the season is out. He is getting more comfortable and i seeming to understand his role when he's out there. Also, as someone else noted, I was really impressed with the way his teammates were rooting for him last night.

[shocka43]

Until a freshman walks in here and proves himself, he is still a freshman.