Who is the most influential/program changing Flyer since 03/04?

[BRob2Perryman3]

Who has been the most important Flyer to the program since Wally,Ramod and Sean?

[CE80]

Vee Sanford.

[NJFlyr71]

I agree with CE80 If Vee doesn't make the 'kiss shot' last years team goes home a one & done and we don't get instant PR and recognition for those following 2-3 weeks and again during this past season.

We are hidden in the national media 'noise' like about 200 other teams.

The ONLY other Flyer I can think of is ARCHIE!

[rollo]

Ask me this in a year and my answer will be Pollard!

[FLYER5]

Chris Wright showed we could recruit our own backyard for Four Star preps, even if he was just one player. On the court it's a different story but the topic is 'program-changing-player.' Not close if using that criteria.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[OregonMike]

Archie Miller

[UDBrian]

After Archie I would vote for Devin Oliver. Archie said that Devin shows what the program is about, continual improvement.

[Runnin' Rebel]

All time winngest class in Dayton history is Chris Wright's (which only included him and Devon Searcy)... and would be more if he wouldn't have got hurt his freshman year !

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[shocka43]

In what sense of the term...

Off the court? On the court?

I would venture to say that many Flyer fans know more about DMo on and off the court than any of the others mentioned. He impacted the program on the floor and he and his family were a focus off of the court due to their support for him and UD athletics.

[Gazoo]

Very tough call. I voted for JS because, while solid performers (DO) and great stats (Wright, Roberts) gave us some measure of success, I don't think we would have been in all that different of a position without them. We would have been fighting over the title of "prettiest person at the ugly-person table." It's not until you get invited to the real party and succeed that you're for real, and without JS I don't think we're that team.

We also could not have done it without DO, VS, and many others, but I had to pick just one.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 I agree with CE80 If Vee doesn't make the 'kiss shot' last years team goes home a one & done and we don't get instant PR and recognition for those following 2-3 weeks and again during this past season. We are hidden in the national media 'noise' like about 200 other teams. The ONLY other Flyer I can think of is ARCHIE!

without DMO's loyalty and leadership, Vee never gets the chance.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FLYER5 Chris Wright showed we could recruit our own backyard for Four Star preps, even if he was just one player. On the court it's a different story but the topic is 'program-changing-player.' Not close if using that criteria.

and how many 4 star recruits have followed from our own backyard?

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel All time winngest class in Dayton history is Chris Wright's (which only included him and Devon Searcy)... and would be more if he wouldn't have got hurt his freshman year !

I'll take the 5 NCAA wins that have happened in the past 2 years over those 97 wins that are padded with 7 NITs wins and one NCAA.

[ud2]

Archie Miller and Devin Oliver.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 I'll take the 5 NCAA wins that have happened in the past 2 years over those 97 wins that are padded with 7 NITs wins and one NCAA.

Remember that one NCAA win was the first for the program in decades

What type of players would have UD on the radar without those wins? If we were a .500 club with no post season under BG would DO, VS or even JS have considered us?

Yes the program is in a better place now but that's because AM has something to build on just like those 97 wins (and that 1 NCAA win) may not have happened if BG didn't have OP's rebuilding job to build on

Archie has done a great job but I suspect he would be the first to admit he didn't create what he has out of thin air and would not have had the same success in 4 years at a place with nothing to build off of (see Fordham)

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by NCkevi What type of players would have UD on the radar without those wins? If we were a .500 club with no post season under BG would DO, VS or even JS have considered us?

If the plane carrying the team crashed we would have been even worse off, so the team pilot is the most important person, right?

I think it's an irrelevant question. We weren't 0.500, nor would we have been without Wright. And we still had great facilities and a loyal fan base. We were better for having him, but would we have been doomed to irrelevance without Wright? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by NCkevi Archie has done a great job but I suspect he would be the first to admit he didn't create what he has out of thin air and would not have had the same success in 4 years at a place with nothing to build off of (see Fordham)

Sure, UD wasn't playing in an old barn with a carpeted floor before AM got here. It's all path dependent. We had 10K+ fans, great facilities, and tradition. But we were really just at the bottom rung of respectability before AM, trying to break through. That's why breaking through is so important.

[CE80]

After reading the above and thinking some more - Juwan Staten
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[San Diego Flyer]

To me it's a bit like a 1x4 relay. Without the setup men, you can't win the relay. But the last runner has to take what's given him and bring it home. Archie and Devin Oliver did that. Got us over the hump with the E8.

Mix all that with a number of great difference makers along the way. They are all on the ballot. I would even stir OP and BG into that stew. They both contributed to raising the bar in several ways, but neither one is Archie.

[TommyGola]

Brian Roberts in what he did for the team. However, Devin Oliver for the inspiration and attitude that he brought on and off the court. I miss Devin; he was a class guy.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Tim Wabler

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[oldfan]

Originally Posted by CE80 After reading the above and thinking some more - Juwan Staten Posted via Mobile Device

I get your point. Without Juwan BG probably stays and we never get AM and we never get into the NCAAs let alone a win.

[frisco flyer]

It is harder to win when you hadn't been winning than it is when you have a winning tradition. CW got the program over the hump. With class.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by oldfan I get your point. Without Juwan BG probably stays and we never get AM and we never get into the NCAAs let alone a win.

Not following, are you saying that JS drove BG away? Those two events did not seem really connected. Any pressure BG was under seemed mostly independent of JS. I'd say JS was a smaller contributing factor maybe.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Brian Roberts making it rain on Pitt sure was sweet...........

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer It is harder to win when you hadn't been winning than it is when you have a winning tradition. CW got the program over the hump. With class.

Precisely. Imo this isn't as complicated as the chicken and egg. Without the notoriety of CW's dunks on SC every week maybe Gregory's career doesn't gain that exposure that lands him the GT job. Chairman and CEO of the Flight Club got the ball rolling.

And Smitty10 I don't know how to answer the question you posed. If it's a genuine question I would have to say that the top players in the Miami Valley have chosen to go to other schools for the most popular reason of gaining recognition. I don't recall any four-star recruits in the past decade choosing to go to another mid-major. Romain Sato went to Dayton Christian before signing with X but that was some time ago. Can't recall a more recent recruit but I know that Dallas Flyer will know!

	Flight Club DAYTON FLIGHT CLUB Team members with at least a 40 inch vertical leap and a verifiable dunk on an opposing player during a regular season game. Current official members are Charles Little, Chris Wright, and Marcus Johnson. Associate members are Devin Searcy and London Warren.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer It is harder to win when you hadn't been winning than it is when you have a winning tradition. CW got the program over the hump. With class.

I voted for Devon but that doesn't mean I have forgotten what Chris Wright did. Chris could have gone to almost any school in the country and he chose to stay in Dayton. He showed local players that it was cool to stay near home. Not only was he a tremendous, exciting player but he also came across as a humble person.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[Viperstick]

Very tough call, but I voted for Jordan.

While B-Rob broke through the NBA ceiling to show it could be done at UD and Wright proved elite athletes could shine nationally at UD, Jordan has been both the highest rated player we've had (albeit via transfer) and the hero that's launched us out of mediocrity. Devin was the leader that helped us get to the E8 last year, but Jordan was the key piece last year and this season. He misses that 3 vs. IPFW and the landscape looks markedly different.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by CE80 After reading the above and thinking some more - Juwan Staten Posted via Mobile Device

I voted Sibert after giving a lot of consideration to Wright and DMO, but this is the correct answer.

Without Staten and his antics, I don't think BG leaves. And with LeDontae Henton and Kevin Dillard on board, we would have been pretty decent for a couple of years. Certainly not bad enough for BG to get fired. I was a BG supporter in his time here, and I still think he did well for the program for several years. I think Purnell saved us from where we were, which was effing horrible. We won 4 and then 6 games a couple years before Purnell took over and brought us to respectability. FOUR games. But I think Purnell left at a good time, and as it turns out, so did BG.

I still think Staten screwed up Chris Wright's senior year, and while Wright was fantastic and über athletic, and fun as heck to watch, and got us an NCAA won, he wasn't quiiiite the guy to take us to the proverbial next level.

DMO will always be remembered as the leader of the elite eight team, and his intangibles, as well as on the court play his senior year were instrumental in our jump.

But Sibert is the guy who really cemented the winning culture here. You can see how he has rubbed off on the Sophomores and helped to make them winners. He was every bit as good as advertised. Hit clutch shots all over the place. Didn't let the team wilt this year when we could have. Hit an unbelievably clutch shot to beat Boise State, and made a huge shot with about 6 minutes to go against Providence which sealed the deal, in my opinion (Pierre of course made lots of great plays down the stretch).

Vee's shot was great, awesome, unforgettable and he did a lot more for us than just one game-winner, but Sibert has taken us to the proverbial next level. And he's leaving behind a culture which will allow us to continue. DMO laid the foundation, to be sure, but if you have to pick a guy on this list, I think it's Sibert.

But Archie is really the key, and without Staten messing everything up, I think BG might still be our coach.
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	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[SeasonTicketFan]

To me influential means the ability for the program to land newer and talented recruits.

It is hard to who is the most influential without understanding the impact of each upon recruiting.

Chris tried very hard to get some talented friends such as Jacob Pullen to attend UD.

Does Sibert leave a legacy with recruiting that says a highly regarded player can have a successful career at UD and beyond? Has Jordan helped influence the incoming recruits?

Interesting question.

[m21eagle45]

I voted for B-Rob for 3 reasons.

1) He played out of position really 3 of his 4 years and didn't complain or let it affect his game.

2) He is the reason we beat a ranked Louisville twice and a top 5 Pitt, and those wins really helped put UD on its upward trajectory.

3) He was the first player to make it to the NBA and really stick in the NBA in a long time. Not just 10 day contracts here and there.

[ud2]

DMO was the one that the program broke through with...he averaged 12 and 7 and 2 his senior year...DMO set a great example and helped establish a culture of toughness, hard work, resiliency, and winning.

[T-Bone 84]

Hard to have a "wrong" choice, but I voted for DMO. The program was on the verge of implosion in 2011. We lost our coach and 4 of his last 6 recruits in a matter of weeks, leaving us with a Senior-laden roster with no Freshmen, 2 Sophomores, and an unproven HC. If DMO and RH had bolted right away, we'd have had a completely bare cupboard in the lower 2 classes. But DMO stayed, others came, and he turned himself from a 6'6", 190 lb swingman into a 6'7", 230 lb beast of a PF who was the heart and soul of an Elite Eight squad. If DMO bails, none of that happens, and The Magnificent Seven run of 2014-15 likely doesn't happen, either. You asked for "most influential"? I rest my case.
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[FLYER5]

The classic case of what have you done for me lately runs rampant here. The poll encompasses twelve years, but most of the vote accounts for players from the past two years only. The program was already in change when (Vee), DMO, and Jordan came through. None were four-star athletes. That significance alone is reason to vote for Wright. This program was lifted immediately with the signing of Chris Wright. The program has since never returned to the Before Chris Wright stage of woeful mediocrity. Hands down. The latest, greatest thing irks me to no end. That last comment was a broad swipe with a large brush. Case in point, poll the nation to determine the best between Jordan and LeBron and the poll will be skewed to give James votes. Why? Because that's all younger people know. Jordan was much better and would probably savvy his way to victory one on one with James, imo. This is a good poll and though I'm pretty adamant, no one can be wrong choosing between the players mentioned.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[ud2]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Hard to have a "wrong" choice, but I voted for DMO. The program was on the verge of implosion in 2011. We lost our coach and 4 of his last 6 recruits in a matter of weeks, leaving us with a Senior-laden roster with no Freshmen, 2 Sophomores, and an unproven HC. If DMO and RH had bolted right away, we'd have had a completely bare cupboard in the lower 2 classes. But DMO stayed, others came, and he turned himself from a 6'6", 190 lb swingman into a 6'7", 230 lb beast of a PF who was the heart and soul of an Elite Eight squad. If DMO bails, none of that happens, and The Magnificent Seven run of 2014-15 likely doesn't happen, either. You asked for "most influential"? I rest my case. Posted via Mobile Device

Agree, not to take anything away from this year's team, but I think that this year, Sibert, Magnificent Seven, etc., might not have happened if DMO hadn't led last year's team to the tourney. This year's team faced a ton of adversity, I think last year and the program's culture change might have helped them power through this year's challenges.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by ud2 DMO was the one that the program broke through with...he averaged 12 and 7 and 2 his senior year...DMO set a great example and helped establish a culture of toughness, hard work, resiliency, and winning.

And calm. He was a cool customer. His character is off the charts. His improvement was ten-fold over his last two years and that was the single biggest feat of that team.

[San Diego Flyer]

What I see is 4 of the 5 players needed for a Final Four getting many votes. Throw in your choice of Pierre, or CJ and you have a starting 5. I think Roberts has proved he is more than adequate as pg. Proud to have all of them as Flyers.

[DallasFlyer]

Solid arguments for BRob (first to stick in the NBA), Chris Wright (bigtime local recruiting get and first NCAA tourney win in ages) and Sibert (actual NCAA runs). I think I might go for Sibert, because he finished the job, and got Dayton to the place we as fans only dreamed of. His two years were bookended by such massive shots (IPFW and Boise). Tough call though. Those three changed the culture.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[Odrab14]

This is a tough question:

My answer is Brian Roberts. Oh to think what Archie would have done with that team. Remember when they absolutely thrashed Top 5 rated Pitt. The game that scared all big schools from the decibal dungeon. For my money Brob was one of the best Flyers I saw. He ran point and he was a supreme scoring threat. If Wright doesnt get hurt that year, that team was unreal. Brob's career at UD was fantastic and he had to be one of the logest tenure NBA players the university has had and easily recently. Brob was simply a stud!!

Devin Oliver goes down as one of my favorite flyes of all time. He was the sole recruit left of the "lost class" and helped lead this team to an Elite 8. He would be my second choice behind BRob. His leadership and walking double doubl ability was tremendous. Great, Great Flyer!!

I almost said Sibert: The ma scored 1000 points at UD in two years. From his first game he hit a big shot and they hits kept coming. He was a key cog of two great teams. He also gave Archie and staff proof to big school transfers that they can resurrect careers at Dayton

Possibly Wright- Big name flavor with amazing hops and ability to wow a crowd. He gave us credibility t recruit in our backyard. Unfortunately, he was not developed properly and never really got much better.

[ruechalgrin]

Why was Carles Little included in the poll!?!?

Brob2, I am truly curious.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Odrab14 If Wright doesnt get hurt that year, that team was unreal.

If Jalen Robinson didn't. . .

If Devin Scott hadn't. . .

If Bass wasn't . . .

If Detwon Rogers had . . .

Except that all those things did happen. And we still beat Providence. Which is why I had to vote for the recent cultural change that didn't happen until Miller got here, with JS as the key scorer.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Why was Carles Little included in the poll!?!? Brob2, I am truly curious.

I'm guessing because he had 18 points and three huge buckets in the last 3 minutes against West Virginia which helped propel Dayton to its first NCAA tourney win in ages.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by oldfan I get your point. Without Juwan BG probably stays and we never get AM and we never get into the NCAAs let alone a win.

six years isn't that long ago even if you are an "oldfan"

[NJFlyr71]

Most influential .....

I posted early (but not often as some of you have) and I see good points from some of the statements made ... may be the phrase MOST INFLUENTIAL should have had some qualifying descriptor to it.

It is the difference between deciding if George Washington, FDR or Bill Clinton was the most influential president ... The most lasting influential long term? .... maybe it's GW. Most influential to social programs? Maybe ... FDR and then we got Bill. You decide what he was most influential concerning ... maybe the best pure modern day politician. It really doesn't matter since I was Not wanting to bring politics into the discussion.

I am attempting to make a point about how you can argue that all 3 did something influential to the country/office. Each for different reasons each distinctly .... different.

Most influential BB player .... who provided a seismic shift in the direction in the program? Who had an impact on the national conscience of the program?

One game in the NCAA maybe doesn't rise to these standards ... One year NIT champions doesn't raise the conscience of the nation. One game OOC doesn't either. A local recruit? An international one? All these events may be dear to the hearts and memories of all the fans, but maybe that's not enough to carry the MOST INFLUENTIAL BANNER.

Do we exclude any recent players because that is all we remember therefore discount them? Only older events should be considered ... because that is the only true test of influence. Seems both approaches shortchange the other.

Selecting most influential for a parochial reason seems to be less than the level at which we need to envision the program we want to be or move to. Think in big terms and understand that he who moved us or helped move us in that regard is how we need to think ...

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[UDTradition]

Bill Clinton? Is that a typo?

[Southwest]

Originally Posted by ud2 Agree, not to take anything away from this year's team, but I think that this year, Sibert, Magnificent Seven, etc., might not have happened if DMO hadn't led last year's team to the tourney. This year's team faced a ton of adversity, I think last year and the program's culture change might have helped them power through this year's challenges.

Tough call, but I agree with this. I believe that Oliver's (and of course, Archie's) leadership and attitude led to a culture change that directly led to 5 NCAA victories.

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by njflyr71 most influential ..... I posted early (but not often as some of you have) and i see good points from some of the statements made ... May be the phrase most influential should have had some qualifying descriptor to it. It is the difference between deciding if george washington, fdr or bill clinton was the most influential president ... The most lasting influential long term? .... Maybe it's gw. Most influential to social programs? Maybe ... Fdr and then we got bill. You decide what he was most influential concerning ... Maybe the best pure modern day politician. It really doesn't matter since i was not wanting to bring politics into the discussion. I am attempting to make a point about how you can argue that all 3 did something influential to the country/office. Each for different reasons each distinctly .... Different. Most influential bb player .... Who provided a seismic shift in the direction in the program? Who had an impact on the national conscience of the program? One game in the ncaa maybe doesn't rise to these standards ... One year nit champions doesn't raise the conscience of the nation. One game ooc doesn't either. A local recruit? An international one? All these events may be dear to the hearts and memories of all the fans, but maybe that's not enough to carry the most influential banner. Do we exclude any recent players because that is all we remember therefore discount them? Only older events should be considered ... Because that is the only true test of influence. Seems both approaches shortchange the other. Selecting most influential for a parochial reason seems to be less than the level at which we need to envision the program we want to be or move to. Think in big terms and understand that he who moved us or helped move us in that regard is how we need to think ...

1. Dmo
2.dmo
3. Dmo

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[ScottyExpress]

I'm thinking BRob, Sibert, DMO, CW, VS, then Staten. All and all an exercise in futility though, a butterfly flapping its wings leads to who knows what.

[Flyer 86]

TO ME, DMO is a no brainer. Born leader, progressed year to year. Light years improvement the final 2 years and Superior personal Character. Repped the U very well in the press also. Got us winning and key to the Promised Land last year.

Without him and our playoff experiences last year, we are NEVER as good as we were this year. He rubbed of on Scooch, Pierre and the Gang of 7 without a doubt.

What may be the more interesting question, is who is next. I'd say a tie between Roberts and Sibert. BR kept us in the ESPN limelight and winning game winners and the infamous Pitt and Louisville games and more!! Sibert was more of a leader than Brian,upped his defense big time as well as steady diet of game winners and leadership. Great team Leader and character ala DMO as well! Some silly looking drives the last 5 or 6 games as well as occasional disappearing act keeps him from the top rung.

Next would be Mr HighFlying Chris Wright. Quite a shame we couldn't have seen and experienced a healthy CW and BR for a longer, consistent period of time or we would have done some NCAA damage in the late 2000's. Quality guy who needed a point guard in the end and more refined shooting skills

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[Glen Clark]

Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

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[zmz723]

anyone who votes Chris Wright is insane. sure he led the team to that NCAA win, but what was built off of that? nothing but NIT appearances until SIbert and co arrived.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[Canonball]

Kendall is Archie's version of CW. Amazing raw athleticism, bull in a China shop at times. Biggest difference in the players is that Kendall is asked to play within his skill set and is a piece of the puzzle. CW was continuously put in positions, that with his ball skills, were difficult to overcome. That's on the coaching, that's not on the player. CW elevated the profile of UD basketball simply due to his sheer athleticism and UD had a pretty high profile NCAA win over WVU in which he had a big game. Who knew that bringing in Juwan would turn into the pile that it did, biggest mistake of BG's career, and worst thing that could've happened to a guy that would've been even better than he was with a decent (unselfish) PG.

[NJFlyr71]

I know the poll is for players .....

But I think all or any of the most recent names on the list are not who they are/were as players without the Archie Miller Development Program .....

I think that BRob and CW could have been so much more had Archie been the influencer .... DMO who a lot of you select was the player he was through Archie, although DMO character and up-bringing was the foundation that Archie used to help in DMOs' development.

[Beatty Town Coach]

Without question Jordan Siebert has the most significant moments and the most significant press in the last ten years of UD Basketball. But no shot was more important than the Kiss to be remembered in Dayton by Vee Sanford. And while Oliver was the most overall impactful player during the BG to Archie transition; it is profoundly obvious, that neither Siebert's elite eight heroics, nor Vee Sanford's TOSU game winning shot, would be possible without the play of Oliver throughout his entire career; yet, none of that would have happened without the presence and play of Matt Kavanaugh in the post, both defensively and offensively, during the February and March run of 2014. Not even close...not happening without the presence and ability to hold down the lane and defend the "Bigs" of several A10 teams and all the "Bigs" of Ohio State, Syracuse, Stanford.

Without Kavanaugh's reinstatement to the team, none of the above happens; and UD very well might not even make the 2015 tournament without the momentum and development of the players due to 2014 run. As well as, not having the benefit of that play in the minds of the media and the NCAA Selection Committee this year.

The Blackburn Review said his reinstatement would hurt the reputation of the university. Oops, not so much! In fact without his reinstatement, we aren't even having this conversation.

Thank you Matt Kavanaugh, from the real Flyer Fanatics.

SEND IT IN BIG FELLA!!!!!!!!!............that's for rollo and the blackburn review.

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