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Ole Miss Observations
I attend the game last night in Ole Miss. There was a small but happy group of Flyer fans there.
Southern hospitality was nice. People of Oxford were friendly and polite before the game. They were naturally subdued but still polite after the game. Classy. (They did boo big time at the end however. More about the refs later).
This game will go down as one of the most amazing finishes in UD history. Not close to the Ed Young game, but similar to Brooks beating Villanova at the end. 7 points to erase a four point deficit in 1:06!!! Improbable bank shot. Ask DMO to bank in from there again and I bet he makes less than 10 of 100. The shot for USC to win the game was a similar fluke shot.
DMO. Played the game of his life. [I did not see the GT game.] He carried the team at the end. Other guys are tentative at the end of the game still. He wants to win it. I watched him warm up and he was stroking threes. His rotation of his release actually looks better this year. He carried the team at the end of regulation. He CARRIED the team. Game of his career...
Archie. I have seen comments about Archie's in game coaching. Last night he was a genius. First, he put together a plan that negated Marshall Henderson, Ole Miss's offense consists of pick after to pick to give this guy 3-6 inches to shoot. That is all he needs. Archie had players beat on him without the ball and double team him as soon as the ball started to come to him. He made the other four beat UD. It worked well. Great defensive game plan.
Second, he put Kyle Davis in at the end of the game on offense defense substitutions. Awesome move. Kyle made some huge defensive plays.
Great defensive game plan. Ole Miss has a great back court and mediocre front court. Summers is a stud. Henderson can score with anybody. #3 Millinghaus is a dynamite point guard. Let the front court guys beat you. They did not.
Khari Price. This guy deserves the basketball version of purple heart. He did not have it last night. Hurt big time. Limited his minutes. Too bad because he had family up from Louisiana for the game. I can see it affects his defense and lateral movement the most. Medical staff has tried everything. I think this Catholic university needs to start a Khari Price heal your knees prayer group. See if Rita can put in a good word.
Not sure what the last offensive foul by the Ole Miss player looked like, but you could hear it. Some Ole Miss fans were yelling that it was not a foul, but Khari was clocked.
Scoochie. He played well. He is going to be a really good player. Right now, he still makes a lot of freshman plays. One bad pass that was stolen at the end of game was awful. He stroked some nice threes but continues to struggle on defense a bit. He is working hard on his D.
Centers and Kav. Every night, the question is which center will show up. Kav had a very good game. He likes playing against Ole Miss. A lot of this is due to match ups. Mr. Scott needs to get back on track. He has too much talent but needs to focus more. Too many dumb fouls. Last night's center by committee was Kav and Scott. Future games Gav and Robinson will contribute.
Defense. Archie and staff talk defense, defense, defense right now. I like it. They are one of the better offensive teams in the country. If they bring the defense up, look out... Last night they broke down at the beginning of the second half. No D. They need to concentrate for 40 + minutes. However, at end of game and regulation, they brought some D and made some crucial stops.
Team. Pierre, Sibert and Sanford had off nights on offense, but UD wins! Still waiting for Sibert to step up. I think he is a better player than what we have seen so far.
End of Game. Players look confused or tentative or both. Regulation last shot was challenging. It seems to me that DMO is the only guy who wants to ball at end of game. UD is now 2-2 on games decided in the last 5 seconds.
Winning on the Road. Every A10 game will be like this. This game was very physical. Ole Miss is a very good team. I am really surprised that they lost as many games as they have.
Officiating. Give this crew a D grade if you are generous. In the first half Dayton was homered. In the second half Ole Miss was on the short end of the officiating. Dayton got some more bad calls or non calls in the second half also. This team officiated like it was last year. They get an F for consistency. Clearly one ref liked to call fouls on UD but not Ole Miss. Vee was hammered with a no call in OT.
I will say this however. UD mugged Henderson time and time again (without the ball). Ole Miss would line him up low and run him through baseline picks, Sanford and Sibert would grab him, push him and shove him, several times literally throwing him out of bounds. UD got away with a number of fouls on Henderson in the first half. Reminded me a lot of what teams did against BRob.
Free Throw Shooting. Puke!! This is a concentration factor. The good free throw shooters are clanking them. The team is now in a collective funk. Is a team psychiatric needed? Seriously, the free throw shooting is a sign of some mental concentration issues. Defense break downs and end of game confusion indicate that coaching staff might need to work harder on the focus side of the game with the players. Relax them, Focus them. This could the Achilles heel of the team. I think it will get better, but I think the players need a little maturity, concentration and focus. [Disclaimer, don't ask me how many 3-4 putts I missed this summer. ] At the same time, this team has shown the mental toughness to hang in tight tough road games. They clearly have the warrior mentality!!! I really like that.
All in all a fantastic win!
Now beat St. Louis!!!
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Nice round-up. However, I certainly don't think Ole Miss got the short end of the officiating stick in the second half. Case in point, Henderson travels down the sideline in an out of bounds with 1:06 left in OT, right in front of the ref and he swallows his whistle-just terrible.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
I attend the game last night in Ole Miss. There was a small but happy group of Flyer fans there.
Southern hospitality was nice. People of Oxford were friendly and polite before the game. They were naturally subdued but still polite after the game. Classy. (They did boo big time at the end however. More about the refs later).
This game will go down as one of the most amazing finishes in UD history. Not close to the Ed Young game, but similar to Brooks beating Villanova at the end. 7 points to erase a four point deficit in 1:06!!! Improbable bank shot. Ask DMO to bank in from there again and I bet he makes less than 10 of 100. The shot for USC to win the game was a similar fluke shot.
DMO. Played the game of his life. [I did not see the GT game.] He carried the team at the end. Other guys are tentative at the end of the game still. He wants to win it. I watched him warm up and he was stroking threes. His rotation of his release actually looks better this year. He carried the team at the end of regulation. He CARRIED the team. Game of his career...
Archie. I have seen comments about Archie's in game coaching. Last night he was a genius. First, he put together a plan that negated Marshall Henderson, Ole Miss's offense consists of pick after to pick to give this guy 3-6 inches to shoot. That is all he needs. Archie had players beat on him without the ball and double team him as soon as the ball started to come to him. He made the other four beat UD. It worked well. Great defensive game plan.
Second, he put Kyle Davis in at the end of the game on offense defense substitutions. Awesome move. Kyle made some huge defensive plays.
Great defensive game plan. Ole Miss has a great back court and mediocre front court. Summers is a stud. Henderson can score with anybody. #3 Millinghaus is a dynamite point guard. Let the front court guys beat you. They did not.
Khari Price. This guy deserves the basketball version of purple heart. He did not have it last night. Hurt big time. Limited his minutes. Too bad because he had family up from Louisiana for the game. I can see it affects his defense and lateral movement the most. Medical staff has tried everything. I think this Catholic university needs to start a Khari Price heal your knees prayer group. See if Rita can put in a good word.
Not sure what the last offensive foul by the Ole Miss player looked like, but you could hear it. Some Ole Miss fans were yelling that it was not a foul, but Khair was clocked.
Scoochie. He played well. He is going to be a really good player. Right now, he still makes a lot of freshman plays. One bad pass that was stolen at the end of game was awful. He stroked some nice threes but continues to struggle on defense a bit. He is working hard on his D.
Centers and Kav. Every night, the question is which center will show up. Kav had a very good game. He likes playing against Ole Miss. A lot of this is due to match ups. Mr. Scott needs to get back on track. He has too much talent but needs to focus more. Too many dumb fouls. Last night's center by committee was Kav and Scott. Future games Gav and Robinson will contribute.
Defense. Archie and staff talk defense, defense, defense right now. I like it. They are one of the better offensive teams in the country. If they bring the defense up, look out... Last night they broke down at the beginning of the second half. No D. They need to concentrate for 40 + minutes. However, at end of game and regulation, they brought some D and made some crucial stops.
Team. Pierre, Sibert and Sanford had off nights on offense, but UD wins! Still waiting for Sibert to step up. I think he is a better player than what we have seen so far.
End of Game. Players look confused or tentative or both. Regulation last shot was challenging. It seems to me that DMO is the only guy who wants to ball at end of game. UD is now 2-2 on games decided in the last 5 seconds.
Winning on the Road. Every A10 game will be like this. This game was very physical. Ole Miss is a very good team. I am really surprised that they lost as many games as they have.
Officiating. Give this crew a D grad if you are generous. In the first half Dayton was homered. In the second half Ole Miss was on the short end of the officiating. Dayton got some more bad calls or non calls in the second half. This team officiated like it was last year. They get an F for consistency. Clearly one ref liked to call fouls on UD but not Ole Miss.
I will say this however. UD mugged Henderson time and time again (without the ball). Ole Miss would line him up low and run him through baseline picks, Sanford and Sibert would grab him, push him and shove him, several times literally throwing him out of bounds. UD got away with a number of fouls on Henderson in the first half. Reminded me a lot of what teams did against BRob.
Free Throw Shooting. Puke!! This is a concentration factor. The good free throw shooters are clanking them. The team is now in a collective funk. Is a team psychiatric needed? Seriously, the free throw shooting is a sign of some mental concentration issues. Defense break downs and end of game confusion indicate that coaching staff might need to work harder on the focus side of the game with the players. Relax them, Focus them. This could the Achilles heel of the team. I think it will get better, but I think the players need a little maturity, concentration and focus. [Disclaimer, don't ask me how many 3-4 putts I missed this summer. ] At the same time, this team has shown the mental toughness to hang in tight tough road games. They clearly have the warrior mentality!!! I really like that.
All in all a fantastic win!
Now beat St. Louis!!!
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How about the lack of a traveling call on Ole Miss late in the game. The TV announcers were all over the missed call. Even the Refs can loose concentration after a long intense game like last night.
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Sorry, lack of a traveling call on the inbounds play before the Ole Miss player threw the ball in. By rule he was required to remain stationary, but he moved as allowed after a made basket.
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Archie talked about Khari on the show today. He said that Khari has only practiced about 1 1/2 days in the past week. They are hoping that they can get the tendonitis calmed down a little. He said that Khari appears to be better the second time he comes in during a half rather than the first time.
He also agreed that they would have taken their current non conference record before the season started, without question.
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Khari Here is an article that was in the paper Jan.2. It's now in the archives so it is open to anyone. A good read and gives insight into all KP goes through to play, and a little background from his father.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...E20&p_docnum=3
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Re: officials, no one is mentioning the scrum where Davis got the put back. Good lord!!! I think it was Sanford who went down the lane and lost his wallet, a pint of blood, and possibly his chance at having children. Then on the offensive rebound it was the same thing (Kav?)! Davis got the next rebound and you could clearly see he was moving to avoid contact because he knew he wouldn't get the call.
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Then there was the one where Oliver goes in for a layup and they grab both of his arms. The refs calls nothing and says ball out of bounds to Ole Miss.
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Or the foul on Scott when Henderson tripped over his own feet and lost the ball while driving. Stopped a UD fast break and put Henderson on the line for 2 FT that he made.
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I agree we got reamed by the officials, best evidenced by the 36-20 margin in FT attempted (though maybe the officials just didn't want to see us embarass ourselves further), HOWEVER...the "illegal screen" call where Khari got wiped out was totally clean by my standards. The dude was frozen stock still with his arms straight down at his sides (verified by DVR slo-mo check). I don't know the rule in detail, but the only thing that might justify the call was that it was blind-side and Saiz' knees were flexed. Looked like his left knee caught Khari in the man-zone.
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Originally Posted by ocdvic
I agree we got reamed by the officials, best evidenced by the 36-20 margin in FT attempted (though maybe the officials just didn't want to see us embarass ourselves further), HOWEVER...the "illegal screen" call where Khari got wiped out was totally clean by my standards. The dude was frozen stock still with his arms straight down at his sides (verified by DVR slo-mo check). I don't know the rule in detail, but the only thing that might justify the call was that it was blind-side and Saiz' knees were flexed. Looked like his left knee caught Khari in the man-zone.
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Joe - in super-slo-mo nobody is moving! Plus we all know you can't see worth a lick . . .
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Originally Posted by ocdvic
I agree we got reamed by the officials, best evidenced by the 36-20 margin in FT attempted (though maybe the officials just didn't want to see us embarass ourselves further), HOWEVER...the "illegal screen" call where Khari got wiped out was totally clean by my standards. The dude was frozen stock still with his arms straight down at his sides (verified by DVR slo-mo check). I don't know the rule in detail, but the only thing that might justify the call was that it was blind-side and Saiz' knees were flexed. Looked like his left knee caught Khari in the man-zone.
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I watched it again too. He stuck his knee out. 100% guarantee that it was a foul (look it up in the game play by play).
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As a former official I typically defend them...but not these guys.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Archie. I have seen comments about Archie's in game coaching. Last night he was a genius. First, he put together a plan that negated Marshall Henderson, Ole Miss's offense consists of pick after to pick to give this guy 3-6 inches to shoot. That is all he needs. Archie had players beat on him without the ball and double team him as soon as the ball started to come to him. He made the other four beat UD. It worked well. Great defensive game plan.
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AM's game prep and planning has been great. From matchup standpoints, and getting a certain guy locked down. No doubt.
The negative that I am seeing, goes to the point you mentioned about "confusion" by players at the end of the game. I honestly this comes from no "direction" at the end of the game....or our players are just that ignorant to what was just coached in the huddle.
On Vee's end of regulation attempt, all 4 players stood around. Not a one moved with less than 9 seconds on the clock. They weren't in a 1-4...the were in a 1-2-2 offensive set. All the while even Vee was looking at the bench.
These plays need a primary option, and secondary option, and a bailout. With the personnel they have...a 1 on 1 by Pierre or Sibert would be option 1...second option would be a flaring shooter to the perimeter as a release if the penetration gets stuffed...and the third progression is rebounders. We haven't seen that and we need that. They have to get good looks at the end of close games out of timeouts.
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Originally Posted by ocdvic
I agree we got reamed by the officials, best evidenced by the 36-20 margin in FT attempted (though maybe the officials just didn't want to see us embarass ourselves further), HOWEVER...the "illegal screen" call where Khari got wiped out was totally clean by my standards. The dude was frozen stock still with his arms straight down at his sides (verified by DVR slo-mo check). I don't know the rule in detail, but the only thing that might justify the call was that it was blind-side and Saiz' knees were flexed. Looked like his left knee caught Khari in the man-zone.
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I disagree. The center was still moving and he dipped his shoulder. The ref had a great look and did not hesitate. Normally at end of game, refs won't make any call, but that one was too blatant to ignore.
The pick has to be stationary for a period of time, not less than one millisecond.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
AM's game prep and planning has been great. From matchup standpoints, and getting a certain guy locked down. No doubt.
The negative that I am seeing, goes to the point you mentioned about "confusion" by players at the end of the game. I honestly this comes from no "direction" at the end of the game....or our players are just that ignorant to what was just coached in the huddle.
On Vee's end of regulation attempt, all 4 players stood around. Not a one moved with less than 9 seconds on the clock. They weren't in a 1-4...the were in a 1-2-2 offensive set. All the while even Vee was looking at the bench.
These plays need a primary option, and secondary option, and a bailout. With the personnel they have...a 1 on 1 by Pierre or Sibert would be option 1...second option would be a flaring shooter to the perimeter as a release if the penetration gets stuffed...and the third progression is rebounders. We haven't seen that and we need that. They have to get good looks at the end of close games out of timeouts.
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I sat in the stands and watched that play. Vee looked looked at the bench too much. He was super tentative and looked lost. The team was more paranoid about shooting too early than running the last play. I think that is what is in their minds. Way too much. Vee was called on for the last play at Baylor and was tentative there too.
I don't attend practices, but I am starting to wonder if they are practicing end of half sequences enough. My guess is they need to practice this more until the players are comfortable. I keep coming back to being too timid. I want a guy out there saying, "Give me the ball" for the last play. DMO is that guy right now, but skill wise he is not the best offensive player. (Last night he was however).
In prepping for the game, they spent a lot of time on the Marshall Henderson defense and it showed. The guys executed that very well. Archie said they have spending a lot more time on defense lately.
They are trying to relax the guys too. I understand they are nailing their FTs in practice, but getting a collective funk in games. Shoot a normal FT percentage and this game never goes to OT.
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Too Much In-Game Direction
Vee was looking to the bench and they look tight because, IMO, Archie is doing way too much play calling during the game. My teeth grit when I see play slow and the whole team is looking to Archie for the next play and what he wants. An animated coach is good to a point, but not constant.
The great coach Wooden always said he coached during practice, not during the game. If he had done his job, the players knew what to do . . .
I realize we have a lot of developing players on this team and that Archie needs to be involved and instructive, but he needs to calm it down a bit in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by GoFlyer
Vee was looking to the bench and they look tight because, IMO, Archie is doing way too much play calling during the game. My teeth grit when I see play slow and the whole team is looking to Archie for the next play and what he wants. An animated coach is good to a point, but not constant.
The great coach Wooden always said he coached during practice, not during the game. If he had done his job, the players knew what to do . . .
I realize we have a lot of developing players on this team and that Archie needs to be involved and instructive, but he needs to calm it down a bit in my opinion.
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I understand that we don't want our players uptight and nervous, but I would much rather err on the side of getting a poor shot at the end of a period than to allow the other team to have time to get a game-winner in response. In that sense, the team took a step forward.
Now, can we get good enough to get a quality shot and not leave enough time for the other team to get a quality shot? That is the next step.
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A few observations after watching the replay.
*Kavanaugh and Oliver share our POG.
*We rated the highest hustle points since Maui.
*Our tenacity on the boards and our fg shooting made up for
our lousy ft shooting (and there is a whole thread on that subjuct)
* Upon further review I thought the refs made a number of
bad calls & non-calls for both teams. Lot of contact and scrappy
play made for tough game to officiate.
* can't believe we did not get to shoot a ft in the last 10min of regulation
* don't think there was as much pressure on Oliver since a miss means we
go to overtime #2.
*we did a masterful job on Henderson. He isn't a Brad Redford, but he easily
could have gone off for one game because he has a good stroke and he has
no conscience. And that would get the crowd into the game more and is
infectuous to his teammates.
* Amazing that we have the horses to win this game with Sibert and Sanford
having an off shooting night
* Bottom line, one hell of a scrappy road win
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My observations:
It's awesome to win on a last second bank-shot 3 pointer.
It sucks to lose on a last second bank-shot 3 pointer.
I'm really happy that we were not on the "sucks side" of this equation again.
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I disagree Archie coaches the way he learned from coache s. he has been around. His Dad and Brother Matta i like hands on .Didnt like the last shot but did learn from SC game could see them throwing up a shot early and same thing happening again. Then what would we be saying. Archie is learning to getting better everygame we finally have a team not just a bunch of me first fun to watch again, Last shot in SC game should have never happened i dont think it will again
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We are executing far better on offense than we have in many moons. I don't have a problem with Archie's coaching style. We also have a couple of freshman point guards who require a little extra attention to detail.
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Vee was looking to the bench and they look tight because, IMO, Archie is doing way too much play calling during the game.
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Has nothing to do with that...the play in question with Vee was coming out of a UD timeout. Whatever the guys are to do on the court was instructed in that TO, not once the ball was inbounded. You get set and start running the play with 9-12 on the clock, depending on set.
The game management was fine. TO's were called properly, but the Vee didn't do anything once the ball was put into play. Play calling from the sidelines during a game is nothing new to college basketball. Having guys ready to execute a play after a timeout for a last second shot is nothing new to college basketball.
The issue is when the guys are deer in headlights when the play starts. There is no way that the play should have or was drawn up for a 1-2-2 set with one guy going 1 on 1 and 4 others watching.
You know **** well that he made it clear not to start advancing until there was under 9 on the clock to prevent a USC. That was fine...but I think everyone was just standing around waiting, instead of executing. Vee should have motioned at 9 or the team should have just started moving at 9. In a perfect world, the ballhandler should have been at the top of the key and the others should have been moving and screening with 15 on the clock to introduce confusion on the D, which allows easier penetration by the ballhandler.
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back to BK quote when asked the hardest part of coaching: "Getting the players to execute on the floor what was talked about in the huddle". This quote from a guy notorious for getting things his way.
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FWIW
I've attended a half-dozen SMU games this year to watch how a Hall of Fame coach does it. I had Clippers season tickets the years when Larry Brown coached in the NBA in LA.
Coach Brown is a good communicator and has their attention in the time-out huddle.
He always wants the ball in the hands of his best playmaker/decision maker. Now for the bad news.
Bottom line, players often don't execute what he tells them. My guess is probably 50% of the time he is successful in communicating the plan in the huddle, and half of that time they do it right and may result in an easy bucket, or at least an uncontested shot. So
25% of the time you MAY get a bucket depending on their shooting %. SMU is pretty good and has a lot of young players like us.
Arch probably has similar success.
Of course, in the last emotional seconds of a tight game, heads are spinning and the opposition's defensive plan goes hyper and injects even more uncertainty into the outcome.
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A radom observation on the commentators during the game. They talked about how UD had won 8 straight vs SEC schools and however many straight vs ACC teams; how that shows that they wouldn't be intimidated by the crowd/arena playing in a hostile environment at Ol Miss. To that, I could only say "huh?" did he see the crowd? Did he go to any of their message boards? There is about as much passion for Ol Miss basketball as there is at a paint drying contest. Sure, its tougher than playing at home in front of the home crowd, but its like going to Ol Miss is like going to the Swamp or Rupp Arena. Slapping down the SEC logo on your home court does not automatically make your court an intimidating place to play.
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Their refs make it intimidating in Oxford.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Pierre, Sibert and Sanford had off nights on offense, but UD wins!
End of Game. Players look confused or tentative or both. Regulation last shot was challenging. It seems to me that DMO is the only guy who wants to ball at end of game. UD is now 2-2 on games decided in the last 5 seconds.
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I have noticed that Sanford has played poorly in a few big games (Gonzaga, USC, and Ol' Miss) and wonder if he has lost confidence. Last year he was one of our top scorers and played with confidence, this year not so much.
Gonzaga 0-4 FG, 0-2 3 Pt, 0 Points (21 min playing time)
USC 2-9 FG, 0-3 3 Pt, 4 Points (32 min playing time)
Ol' Miss 4-14 FG, 1-6 3 Pt, 10 Points (30 min playing time)
He also didn't play well in the Murray State game (0-2 FG, 2-4 FT for 2 points in 15 min playing time).
It seems that many of our players are reluctant to take the end of game shot that will win or lose a game. Pierre is another example of a player who seems to have lost confidence or maybe isn't comfortable yet with the fast pace for 40 minutes.
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Both were also inconsistent last year. Vee is just a streak scorer. Pierre is very conservative in his shot selection and does not force plays very often. Him taking the ball at crunch time is not his personality yet, hopefully it will come. Sibert is also a conservative shooter. He shoots a high percentage because he is selective.
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