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The Indiana job worries me. Archie may love it here but may be realizing he simply can't get the recruits here he needs to compete for a National Championship year in and year out. That's the reason Sean left Xavier.
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The Indiana job worries me. Archie may love it here but may be realizing he simply can't get the recruits here he needs to compete for a National Championship year in and year out. That's the reason Sean left Xavier.
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Sean left X for a $hit load of $$s for one of the best jobs in all of college sports in a beautiful locale.
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8th season at Arizona and still no Final Four for Sean...
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True, but how many Elite 8's? Two? Three? He'll break through.......
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True, but how many Elite 8's? Two? Three? He'll break through.......
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You would think, but I would have thought it would have happened by now.
And I hope it doesn't happen this year because I have Gonzaga coming out of that region.
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Sean left X for a $hit load of $$s for one of the best jobs in all of college sports in a beautiful locale.
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And the chance to compete for a National Championship year in and year out. Those were his words.
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Sean left X for a $hit load of $$s for one of the best jobs in all of college sports in a beautiful locale.
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Well, he's been to the NCAA Tournament six out of the last seven years (including this year), with three Elite Eights and a Sweet Sixteen. So three Elite Eights (and a Sweet Sixteen) in the previous six years (not counting this year). I don't think I'll see the time when UD gets three Elite Eights (and a Sweet Sixteen) in six years.
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I bet you are also on the "we need to be in the big east to be successful band wagon". I believe UD can. But on that note, nobody remembers who finishes 8th 16th etc except the loser. I can't remember who the Cubs beat in the World Series last year. Has he been in the final four competing for a national championship? No. The grass is not greener, definitely not at IU and OSU.
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I bet you are also on the "we need to be in the big east to be successful band wagon". I believe UD can. But on that note, nobody remembers who finishes 8th 16th etc except the loser. I can't remember who the Cubs beat in the World Series last year. Has he been in the final four competing for a national championship? No. The grass is not greener, definitely not at IU and OSU.
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Let me know when UD makes three Elite Eights and a Sweet Sixteen in a six year span.
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Sure those were his words because it wouldn't be a real good look to be quoted, "I left for a $hit load of $$."
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Unless he really loves LA, I see Alford taking the In. job for a lot more $$$$$$$!
I think he gave back to UCLA a years salary or maybe a year off his contract, not sure?
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NC State will meet today with UNC-Wilmington's Kevin Keatts, per multiple sources. Has emerged as a primary candidate to fill vacancy.
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Unless he really loves LA, I see Alford taking the In. job for a lot more $$$$$$$!
I think he gave back to UCLA a years salary or maybe a year off his contract, not sure?
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NC State Job is Closed
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NC State has agreed to deal with UNC Wilmington coach Kevin Keatts, sources told ESPN. http://es.pn/2mBpbZc
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NC State Job is Closed
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NC State has agreed to deal with UNC Wilmington coach Kevin Keatts, sources told ESPN. http://es.pn/2mBpbZc
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The guy who said that is obviously an idiot. Even if Crean hasn't been great he hasn't ruined the program. The problem is, judging that his seat look like they are pretty low, he is probably a big donor and the university will let him continue to be an idiot.
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May have been a blessing in disguise with the loss today. Keeps Archies name out of the mainstream media. I really worry about the Indiana vacancy
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That's not very reassuring...
As upset as we are as fans about the loss - I'm sure he is ten times more upset. The last thing he wanted to talk about in that moment was other jobs.
Still, as a fan I am more comfortable hearing an affirmation of his intent to stay as opposed to no comment.
Indiana worries me. We'll see.
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"No thoughts" is not the same as "not interested" or a flat out "no" but you have to congratulate the reporter for asking the stupidest question at the stupidest time. Always looking for a scoop instead of worrying about the job at hand.
Indiana does worry me to. Apparently one of the big problems with Crean was that he could not get Indiana kids, Mr. Indiana Baskeballers, to stay at home and play. I think Archie connects well with young men and he could recruit well from Indianapolis and from Chicago. Indiana can throw big money but it's a pressure cooker job with fans and alumni wanting an immediate reversal of fortune. I think that was the same pressure cooker BG ran into at GT.
Archie, stay at UD. It's nicer and you can continue to move the program forward.
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I'm with you, Flyer68. I said last month that the Indiana job was a concern to me, and now it has opened. But having said that, I'd think twice about taking that job, if I was Archie.
At IU, they fire you for having a couple of bad seasons, and "bad" is defined as "not making the NCAA Tournament". We'll see how the UD community reacts after this loss, but the number of "Thank You"s on this board seems to be overwhelming the number of "Ya Bum"s about 50 to 1. And not to speak for all the Flyer Faithful, but I think the expectation for next year's Flyers will be simply to (a) finish above .500 in conference play, (b) be peaking when the A-10 Tournament starts, and (c) play in a postseason tournament of some kind (even if it's the NIT or the CBI). Anything more than that will be gravy, considering the graduation losses and number of new faces.
Nothing wrong with being a bigger fish in a smaller pond, at least for a little while longer. Stick around, Archie! The water's fine!
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IU is showing potential coaches you better do it or else. OSU with a stinkin' non 100 team is saying we will allow you a bad year. The OSU job may have just passed IU in desirability.
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Just like Bucky told a caller about the Indiana job, on the post game show.Archie is going no where, he loves it here
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IU is showing potential coaches you better do it or else. OSU with a stinkin' non 100 team is saying we will allow you a bad year. The OSU job may have just passed IU in desirability.
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One of the CBS talking heads said the 2 best basketball coaching jobs in the BIG10 are Illinois and Michigan. He then went on to break down the last 17 years of IU hoops (Davis, Sampson, Crean) and said that under Crean, the best Indiana HS players were going elsewhere and HS coaches across the state were pushing their kids away from IU.
Not a good endorsement of Crean.
FWIW, if he ends up as a TV analyst, I hope the makeup artist suggests that he stop parting his hair down the middle...it's not 1984 any more coach.
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Like others, the IU job really worries me. It is particularly concerning at this juncture, as I fear if Arch goes now, a terrific recruiting class for next year is in jeopardy. Though it is mostly speculation on my part, I think the incoming class has an even higher upside than the fantastic group we are losing.
Having listened to the Indiana AD's comments about the job, I view him as a bit of a snake. There is little doubt that the IU job has great potential, but the culture there is fraught with danger for a future coach. I just hope AM looks upon it with the same suspicion.
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Indiana can throw big money but it's a pressure cooker job with fans and alumni wanting an immediate reversal of fortune. I think that was the same pressure cooker BG ran into at GT.
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Crean made the sweet 16 three times. Not enough even though BK Didn't make it his final 6 years. They want final fours and that still may not be enough. We know that 3 sweet 16 in six years is not enough
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Crean made the sweet 16 three times. Not enough even though BK Didn't make it his final 6 years. They want final fours and that still may not be enough. We know that 3 sweet 16 in six years is not enough
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The fallout from Kelvin Sampson complicates all of this.
I am not taking sides, but it could maybe be argued that Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin all out-performed Crean in terms of NCAAT performance.
That maybe puts IU in 5th place at best during his tenure as far as NCAAT performance is concerned.
He was close to Ohio State and Michigan maybe, so maybe 3rd place. But OSU and UM had some deeper NCAAT runs.
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Indiana never bought into Crean because they wanted a Roy Williams or John Calipari. They always felt Crean was sloppy seconds and the admins/fans treated him much that way. Why would HS coaches send you to IU when the IU boosters never wanted you to have the job to begin with. Hoosier fans are still living in RMK paranoia. Its never gonna be like that again. Once RMK decided he didnt want to sit around Greg Graham with a f'in 8-10 record in the Big10, the music stopped.
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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...sity/99002494/
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Indiana never bought into Crean because they wanted a Roy Williams or John Calipari. They always felt Crean was sloppy seconds and the admins/fans treated him much that way. Why would HS coaches send you to IU when the IU boosters never wanted you to have the job to begin with. Hoosier fans are still living in RMK paranoia. Its never gonna be like that again. Once RMK decided he didnt want to sit around Greg Graham with a f'in 8-10 record in the Big10, the music stopped.
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They would never admit it but the whales at IU sabotaged him. They probably won't get it but they deserve less.
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Indiana never bought into Crean because they wanted a Roy Williams or John Calipari. They always felt Crean was sloppy seconds and the admins/fans treated him much that way. Why would HS coaches send you to IU when the IU boosters never wanted you to have the job to begin with. Hoosier fans are still living in RMK paranoia. Its never gonna be like that again. Once RMK decided he didnt want to sit around Greg Graham with a f'in 8-10 record in the Big10, the music stopped.
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As someone who was on the Bloomington campus, this is patently untrue. Did folks want Williams or Calipari? Sure. They'd have preferred a reincarnation of John Wooden as well.
But I can tell you that the university community was fully behind Crean when they started gaining traction in 2011. The campus was going bonkers, and everyone was collectively thinking, "Here we go."
It makes no sense - especially with no evidence - to suggest that the administration was trying to undermine Crean. Again, they probably did want a bigger name, but Crean was an up-and-comer when he came on board to clean up the Kelvin Sampson mess. And for a while, it looked like Crean was going to deliver the program back to sustained national relevance (they had a string of McDonald's All-Americans and NBA lottery picks).
There is still a contingent of weird Knight supporters around, but at the end of the day all any fan wants is for his or her team to win. Everybody wanted Crean to be that guy, and for a minute it looked like he was.
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I don't know if I would want to take the IU job if I was a coach.
There are still a lot of unresolved issues regarding Coach Knight. It just seems that there is still a huge 2,000 pound elephant in the room.
I just think that it would be a very difficult and very distracting environment to be in.
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I don't know if I would want to take the IU job if I was a coach.
There are still a lot of unresolved issues regarding Coach Knight. It just seems that there is still a huge 2,000 pound elephant in the room.
I just think that it would be a very difficult and very distracting environment to be in.
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I can understand that a guy can get to the point where he says, what the heck, if they are going to pay me that much, I might as well take it. If I win big, I will be immortalized and if it doesn't work out, I have a boatload of money and I can do whatever I want. I don't know either but I can see how Archie may not be at that point but I can see Alford being there.
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Senior class did Dayton a favor.
Losing the last three games just might have taken the luster off Archie in some circles and will keep him at Dayton (if he was even considering jumping to a P5) for the next foreseeable few years.
Folks are funny and the What have you done lately might have tipped the scale off of Archie and towards Chris Mack, Will Wade or Chris Holtman
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Losing the last three games just might have taken the luster off Archie in some circles and will keep him at Dayton (if he was even considering jumping to a P5) for the next foreseeable few years.
Folks are funny and the What have you done lately might have tipped the scale off of Archie and towards Chris Mack, Will Wade or Chris Holtman
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I can't speak to the validity of your suggestion (that Archie losing his last three might play a factor), but didn't Will Wade finish with 2 straight losses? I feel like Mack recently had like a 6 game losing streak.
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I can't speak to the validity of your suggestion (that Archie losing his last three might play a factor), but didn't Will Wade finish with 2 straight losses? I feel like Mack recently had like a 6 game losing streak.
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Yes but Wade has been shopping since he took over the VCU job as has Holtman at Butler. Both want a P5 job.
Chris Mack may have lost 7 straight with injuries but he is in the sweet sixteen so that negates the 7 losses. He righted the ship.
If Chris Mack were to leave would that change anything the X AD's feel regarding Dayton. In other words was Chris Mack the driving force behind keeping Dayton out or was it the AD or combination of both.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Yes but Wade has been shopping since he took over the VCU job as has Holtman at Butler. Both want a P5 job.
Chris Mack may have lost 7 straight with injuries but he is in the sweet sixteen so that negates the 7 losses. He righted the ship.
If Chris Mack were to leave would that change anything the X AD's feel regarding Dayton. In other words was Chris Mack the driving force behind keeping Dayton out or was it the AD or combination of both.
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The fact that Holtman and Wade might be shopping has nothing to do with the suggested "luster" coming off of Archie that you reference only because he lost his last three.
My point is that if a quality AD is letting the last 3 games of Archie's have much of an effect on his evaluation of him, then there's a big problem with the AD and said process. Archie's last three losses don't come with any bigger of a stain than anyone else's recent losing streaks.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
The fact that Holtman and Wade might be shopping has nothing to do with the suggested "luster" coming off of Archie that you reference only because he lost his last three.
My point is that if a quality AD is letting the last 3 games of Archie's have much of an effect on his evaluation of him, then there's a big problem with the AD and said process. Archie's last three losses don't come with any bigger of a stain than anyone else's recent losing streaks.
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Then you explain why the scheduled meeting between Archie and Illinois got canceled at the last minute (coming just after Daytons 3rd loss in a row) and Illinois announcing a different HC. Word was that Archie had agreed to meet (doesn't mean he would have taken the job) but its not sure who canceled the meeting, just that the timing looked suspicious.
You are welcome to your opinion and I am to mine. It is pure speculation on both our parts as neither of us know for certain. Just in case you missed it the message boards are full of rumors and opinions not just UDPride.
Difference between Archie and Wade, Holtman from what I'm hearing is that the later two have been actively campaigning for a new gig while Archie has not.
You are welcome to continue to ignore what is happening and being spread as rumors and innuendos and opinions. I am just suggesting there might be a hint of truth to it.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Then you explain why the scheduled meeting between Archie and Illinois got canceled at the last minute (coming just after Daytons 3rd loss in a row) and Illinois announcing a different HC. Word was that Archie had agreed to meet (doesn't mean he would have taken the job) but its not sure who canceled the meeting, just that the timing looked suspicious.
You are welcome to your opinion and I am to mine. It is pure speculation on both our parts as neither of us know for certain. Just in case you missed it the message boards are full of rumors and opinions not just UDPride.
Difference between Archie and Wade, Holtman from what I'm hearing is that the later two have been actively campaigning for a new gig while Archie has not.
You are welcome to continue to ignore what is happening and being spread as rumors and innuendos and opinions. I am just suggesting there might be a hint of truth to it.
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Or it could be Underwood fell into their lap. Underwood probably gets less money with similar production.
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Or it could be Underwood fell into their lap. Underwood probably gets less money with similar production.
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Most definitely,as we don't know what transpired, but being here in the St. Louis, Illinois area there was plenty of discussion regarding Archie taking the Illinois job, so much so I actually got worried. Like others I believe he is waiting for the tOSU job, but then I thought Jabir would retire at Dayton.
Discussed between me and my SLU/Illini fans is the fact Dayton seems to be snake bitten when it comes to injuries/deaths etc and the coaches may feel a need for a change.
Jabir like I said was expected to retire at Dayton. He then goes to the elite 8 and all hell breaks loose with injuries the following year leading to one of this toughest seasons as Dayton HC.
Along comes a new year and high hopes and expectations then suddenly he loses Madeline Blias out of the year. If it was the sudden loss of his best player or whatever he up and retired citing health and family issues.
Then lo and behold he shows up coaching in Denmark
All I am saying is with the rash of injuries and the loss of Steve Archie too could be feeling the snake bite. Personally I feel he has a lot returning and coming in for next year to build/reload from and would be foolish to leave, as he has it made here and is making equivalent $$$ the P5 schools are paying. We just don't know what goes through a coaches head. His statement regarding how harder it was to schedule non con teams and what he didn't say, how hard it is to recruit and keep top recruits may enter into his decision sooner than we would like.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Jabir like I said was expected to retire at Dayton. He then goes to the elite 8 and all hell breaks loose with injuries the following year leading to one of this toughest seasons as Dayton HC.
Along comes a new year and high hopes and expectations then suddenly he loses Madeline Blias out of the year. If it was the sudden loss of his best player or whatever he up and retired citing health and family issues.
Then lo and behold he shows up coaching in Denmark
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There has to be more to the whole Jabir story and I hope to find out the real story someday. Anybody who knows please feel free to PM me what really happened.
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In my circle of SLU/Illini bball fans Archie's name doesn't seem to be surfing for a top P5 vacancy like it was. I was getting a lot of ribbing about losing Archie and I will admit it was getting to me. Whether it was valid or not I wasn't ready to lose Archie and start all over again.
BTW does anyone know what top P5 programs Archie is still listed on as possible candidate.
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Yeah, I definitely got the sense that Underwood fell into their lap. Would have been crazy for Illinois to pass on him.
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There has to be more to the whole Jabir story and I hope to find out the real story someday. Anybody who knows please feel free to PM me what really happened.
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Personally I think Jabir did it to himself, letting pressure get to him that was of his own making. Doubt any booster, admin etc was unhappy with Jabir.
I do want to add that I really like what Shauna Green brings to the table and how she coaches/handles her players. Feel are in really good hands.
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Yeah, I definitely got the sense that Underwood fell into their lap. Would have been crazy for Illinois to pass on him.
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Agreed, Underwood's name was not even in the discussions here with my friends then lo and behold Underwood gets the job. Good news for Dayton in my opinion. Anxious to see what Archie does with the returning players and the incoming freshmen plus the Chech. Got good feeling about next year and beyond. Subject to any major coaching changes.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Then you explain why the scheduled meeting between Archie and Illinois got canceled at the last minute (coming just after Daytons 3rd loss in a row) and Illinois announcing a different HC. Word was that Archie had agreed to meet (doesn't mean he would have taken the job) but its not sure who canceled the meeting, just that the timing looked suspicious.
You are welcome to your opinion and I am to mine. It is pure speculation on both our parts as neither of us know for certain. Just in case you missed it the message boards are full of rumors and opinions not just UDPride.
Difference between Archie and Wade, Holtman from what I'm hearing is that the later two have been actively campaigning for a new gig while Archie has not.
You are welcome to continue to ignore what is happening and being spread as rumors and innuendos and opinions. I am just suggesting there might be a hint of truth to it.
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Avid, was it reported somewhere that Archie agreed to meet with Illinois? That was the first I heard of it and I would have thought that news/rumor would have sent this board into a frenzy. Thanks
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Avid, was it reported somewhere that Archie agreed to meet with Illinois? That was the first I heard of it and I would have thought that news/rumor would have sent this board into a frenzy. Thanks
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It was being tossed around here in St. L area, not sure if it was actual or if my friends were just needling me in hopes we'd lose Archie and go through what Illinois and SLU had gone through. They did seem pretty adamant about it. Thought I did see it mentioned in another UDPride thread as well though not for sure. Visited too many boards to recall.
Yes it was posted and discussed behind the UDPride PRIDE + pay wall. Sorry can't link to it.
BTW it was rumored not verified but discussed.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Then you explain why the scheduled meeting between Archie and Illinois got canceled at the last minute (coming just after Daytons 3rd loss in a row) and Illinois announcing a different HC. Word was that Archie had agreed to meet (doesn't mean he would have taken the job) but its not sure who canceled the meeting, just that the timing looked suspicious.
You are welcome to your opinion and I am to mine. It is pure speculation on both our parts as neither of us know for certain. Just in case you missed it the message boards are full of rumors and opinions not just UDPride.
Difference between Archie and Wade, Holtman from what I'm hearing is that the later two have been actively campaigning for a new gig while Archie has not.
You are welcome to continue to ignore what is happening and being spread as rumors and innuendos and opinions. I am just suggesting there might be a hint of truth to it.
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Pretty sure Underwood finished the season with 2 straight losses as well. Actually it was 3.
You're entitled to your opinion, andit might be valid. I am providing very comparable scenarios and examples of why I don't think the 3 losses to close 2017 are factoring in.
Seriously, we've got our guy. He's the one. He's coming in tomorrow. Wait, they lost yesterday? Cancel the interview.
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I would be shocked in Archie met with Illinois. His focus would have been 100% on the March 17th game.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Pretty sure Underwood finished the season with 2 straight losses as well.
You're entitled to your opinion, andit might be valid. I am providing very comparable scenarios and examples of why I don't think the 3 losses to close 2017 are factoring in.
Seriously, we've got our guy. He's the one. He's coming in tomorrow. Wait, they lost yesterday? Cancel the interview.
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I think the initial fallacy in this whole "argument" is that it is based on the premise that there was an agreed meeting at U of I that got cancelled. Nobody has confirmed or denied that and it is likely that nobody ever will. All I can say is I live in Chicago. I follow UD and college basketball in general very closely, and I never read or heard anything about Archie to U of I that wasn't an opinion on a message board. When would such a meeting have even been scheduled? In the minutes following the NCAA loss? Not likely in my opinion. I am guessing that one hurt Archie quite a bit given that it was the seniors' last game and he was likely in no mood to discuss coaching vacancies let alone schedule meetings.
So the whole argument starts with a HUGE "If" which makes it a completely pointless argument in the first place. Besides, why would Archie want to leave Dayton for U of I? The only advantage Illinois has is Chicago recruiting territory but Dayton has consistently out recruited Illinois in Chicago under Archie.
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I think the initial fallacy in this whole "argument" is that it is based on the premise that there was an agreed meeting at U of I that got cancelled. Nobody has confirmed or denied that and it is likely that nobody ever will. All I can say is I live in Chicago. I follow UD and college basketball in general very closely, and I never read or heard anything about Archie to U of I that wasn't an opinion on a message board. When would such a meeting have even been scheduled? In the minutes following the NCAA loss? Not likely in my opinion. I am guessing that one hurt Archie quite a bit given that it was the seniors' last game and he was likely in no mood to discuss coaching vacancies let alone schedule meetings.
So the whole argument starts with a HUGE "If" which makes it a completely pointless argument in the first place. Besides, why would Archie want to leave Dayton for U of I? The only advantage Illinois has is Chicago recruiting territory but Dayton has consistently out recruited Illinois in Chicago under Archie.
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Underwood flew back with his OSU and landed at 8PM CT time, and was announced as the new coach at Illinois less than 20 hours later. A lot of times these meetings are set up as soon as the season ends.
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I think the initial fallacy in this whole "argument" is that it is based on the premise that there was an agreed meeting at U of I that got cancelled. Nobody has confirmed or denied that and it is likely that nobody ever will. All I can say is I live in Chicago. I follow UD and college basketball in general very closely, and I never read or heard anything about Archie to U of I that wasn't an opinion on a message board. When would such a meeting have even been scheduled? In the minutes following the NCAA loss? Not likely in my opinion. I am guessing that one hurt Archie quite a bit given that it was the seniors' last game and he was likely in no mood to discuss coaching vacancies let alone schedule meetings.
So the whole argument starts with a HUGE "If" which makes it a completely pointless argument in the first place. Besides, why would Archie want to leave Dayton for U of I? The only advantage Illinois has is Chicago recruiting territory but Dayton has consistently out recruited Illinois in Chicago under Archie.
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That's a great point too, thanks. I wasn't even going down the path of whether a meeting was scheduled or not, since that was the first I had heard of it.
I was simply pointing out that the notion of 3 straight losses to close the season was a factor in losing some luster on Archie. It doubt it was for Illinois, as their new coach finished the season with 3 consecutive losses.
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Knight just tries to get peoples' attention. He hasn't had anything good to say in 25 years. Vitale too. Ditka too.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
It was being tossed around here in St. L area, not sure if it was actual or if my friends were just needling me in hopes we'd lose Archie and go through what Illinois and SLU had gone through. They did seem pretty adamant about it. Thought I did see it mentioned in another UDPride thread as well though not for sure. Visited too many boards to recall.
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Avid, I too am in St. Louis. It'd be good to connect some time and share our mutual passion for Flyer hoops.
I am pretty well connected with the SLU program and a lot of the local high school coaches. Perhaps your buddies were just needling you or perhaps I am no where near connected as much as I think I am or would like to be - but I am pretty confident if that rumor was legit and floating around St. Louis, I would have heard about it.
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Inside the Hall article
An IU BBall forum / blog published their top 3 choices and no surprise about Archie being on the list.
http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/03...archie-miller/
Seems he would be accepted by most of the commenters with open arms. The nay-sayers are looking at straight offensive / defensive numbers and not really considering all the roster adversity Archie overcame in recent years.
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I'm sure they would know if anybody would!
Seems no clear, concrete evidence exists either for or against any such claims about ARCH and U of I
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Not surprising, but Archie one of the six coaches that Gary Parish lists as realistic candidates for the IU job.
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I have a feeling (not actual knowledge, but just a feeling) that NC State knows who they want the next coach to be and are fairly certain (for whatever reason) that they'll end up getting them. And, they may be be right.
I don't know who, but based on how they've been handling this I'm guessing they're pretty sure as to what they're going to do next. Then again, it is NC State, so maybe not.
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Archie may love it here but may be realizing he simply can't get the recruits here he needs to compete for a National Championship year in and year out. That's the reason Sean left Xavier.
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Perhaps Sean should have stayed at Xavier. LOL.
Sweet Sixteens and Elite Eights are nice, but Arizona expects Final Fours. This is a program that went to the Final Four 4 times between 1987 and 2001.
Sean Miller has been to as many Final Fours as Tom Crean at Indiana (actually, Crean did take Marquette to the Final Four).
Perhaps Year 9 will be the charm?
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03-25-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
The Indiana job worries me. Archie may love it here but may be realizing he simply can't get the recruits here he needs to compete for a National Championship year in and year out. That's the reason Sean left Xavier.
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Bingo.
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03-25-2017, 01:58 PM
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How's that working for him
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03-25-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sitdowndigger
How's that working for him
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You asked that same question before and I answered it. Let me know when UD makes three Elite 8's and two Sweet Sixteens in seven years. And if you don't think Arizona gets better recruits than UD you need to look it up.
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03-25-2017, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
You asked that same question before and I answered it. Let me know when UD makes three Elite 8's and two Sweet Sixteens in seven years. And if you don't think Arizona gets better recruits than UD you need to look it up.
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How are those recruits working for him
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03-25-2017, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sitdowndigger
How are those recruits working for him
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They've given him three Elite 8's and two Sweet Sixteen's over the past seven years. Archie left, didn't he. That's the bottom line. Maybe if you had told Archie about Sean's "lack of success" he wouldn't have left. Or you could just ask the same question one more time.
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03-25-2017, 02:33 PM
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How's competing for a National Championship or at least one Final Four after nine years working for him
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03-25-2017, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sitdowndigger
How's competing for a National Championship or at least one Final Four after nine years working for him
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.....with those recruits
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03-25-2017, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
I'm with you, Flyer68. I said last month that the Indiana job was a concern to me, and now it has opened. But having said that, I'd think twice about taking that job, if I was Archie.
At IU, they fire you for having a couple of bad seasons, and "bad" is defined as "not making the NCAA Tournament". We'll see how the UD community reacts after this loss, but the number of "Thank You"s on this board seems to be overwhelming the number of "Ya Bum"s about 50 to 1. And not to speak for all the Flyer Faithful, but I think the expectation for next year's Flyers will be simply to (a) finish above .500 in conference play, (b) be peaking when the A-10 Tournament starts, and (c) play in a postseason tournament of some kind (even if it's the NIT or the CBI). Anything more than that will be gravy, considering the graduation losses and number of new faces.
Nothing wrong with being a bigger fish in a smaller pond, at least for a little while longer. Stick around, Archie! The water's fine!
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I hate it when (1) I'm right, and (2) what I'm right about is something that negatively impacts a major aspect of my life. I will say, though, that I have faith in AD Sullivan and President Spina to find and contract with the right successor. Hopefully, I'm right about that, too.
Well, Archie didn't stick around. But the water is still fine. We just need a good head coach to replace him who likes "the water".
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03-29-2017, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
I have been saying for awhile that there were only @ a dozen jobs in the country for which Archie would leave UD. Not to speak for the man, but it's obvious he's a guy who doesn't take a back seat to anyone for long. For that reason, I think he'll avoid a "football factory" school, and for that reason, I'm not so sure that he takes tOSU if offered.
Indiana, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. Football is an afterthought there. Hoops is king. And if Crean can't satisfy the masses, I think they'll come knocking on Archie's doorstep, and that would be a difficult offer for him to refuse. Imagine having the opportunity to be the guy who restores that program to Knight-era glory.
I see IU, Louisville, UK, Kansas, and a handful of others as the most likely "destination" jobs for Archie. It's going to have to be someplace that has what UD can already offer in terms of a rabid fan base and fairly consistent University support. It'll also need to afford him a decent shot at Sweet Sixteens (or better) 3 out of every 4 years (and we could make it 2 out of 4 with a good closing run this year), and the heftier paycheck that comes from "state school money". I think he and his family like it here, and we as a fan base need to do what we can to make sure they stay comfortable here. Beyond that, it's out of our hands.
Love ya, Arch! Thanks for all you do for this community!
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