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Old 09-27-2019, 08:45 AM
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I have attended Seton Hall games at the Prudential Center in Newark where everyone is "wanded" before going through a turnstile to gain admittance to the arena. It is not time consuming and everyone is processed quickly. As a matter of fact after undergoing the process I questioned why it wasn't done at the UD Arena.
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South lettering is up, but still working on the west entrance area. Here is a shot from Edwin C. Moses where you can see the south entrance with lettering, and the east entrance that was completed last year.



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South lettering is up, but still working on the west entrance area. Here is a shot from Edwin C. Moses where you can see the south entrance with lettering, and the east entrance that was completed last year.



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You asked who the Connor Lobby/entrance was named for, my guess is Larry Connor.
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Will the large East and West signage letters be lit at night? Seems the west side would be positioned well to be very visible to the interstate traffic.

Also any word on the non-functional sign near the interstate? It's been down for what must be years now.
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Yep!

When you bring some of your own change ($) and an A game to the raising of money sometimes universities would like to honor that effort. No harm in that at all.

A little know fact .... well maybe a very little known fact .... OK so nobody really knew this but ...

They almost named the RexPlex after Rollo. It was to be called the Rollo-Dex but unfortunately for him; and fortunately for the rest of us, a guy named Rex showed up with MORE money then Rollo had and the rest is HISTORY!
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
Will the large East and West signage letters be lit at night? Seems the west side would be positioned well to be very visible to the interstate traffic.
The arena sits on a diagonal. Court baselines are the southwest to northeast diagonal. Since those are the major openings, I've been calling them south and north, accordingly.

If those are the sides you are referring to with signage letters (especially since the Northwest (my West) entrance has no lettering), then the answer is YES. I had the opportunity to be near the arena in the morning today before the sun fully came out.



I also took a shot of the west entrance where they've added a few more sets of doors. Check them out at Figstats.

Oh, and thank you for those that mentioned who Connor was. His name is also up on the north side for the Flight Deck entrance.

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Yep!

When you bring some of your own change ($) and an A game to the raising of money sometimes universities would like to honor that effort. No harm in that at all.

A little know fact .... well maybe a very little known fact .... OK so nobody really knew this but ...

They almost named the RexPlex after Rollo. It was to be called the Rollo-Dex but unfortunately for him; and fortunately for the rest of us, a guy named Rex showed up with MORE money then Rollo had and the rest is HISTORY!
FYI...I wanted it to be called the RolloFlexPlex and got outbid. So I proposed renaming Marycrest by something more appropriate, but The RolloSexPlex got 0 votes from the Marianists. Sad, but true.
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I just hope the arena has adequate staffing and the process can be a quick one.

I attended a preseason Blue Jackets hockey game last Tuesday at Nationwide Arena. The west entrance had a 15 minute line to get inside. On a cold windy rainy night this would suck if UD Arena is as slow and understaffed as what Nationwide was.
UD Athletics and the Arena pride itself on their game preparation and experience... it is why the Arena keeps hosting so many NCAA Tournament games. If it is slow the first couple games it will be fixed
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Lifelong Flyer Fan: SMU (Southern Methodist University) just announced a 50 million dollar donation from David and Carolyn Miller. This single donation brings the couple’s total donations to the university to 100 million. David Miller is a former basketball player back in the 1970’s. He was a three year starting center.

Bloggers, it’s time for the rich well-heeled Dayton fans to make contributions like SMU and other schools receive. I am certain that the arena would welcome a change of name for any donor with this type of deep pockets.
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NO to any name change but $$$$$$$ are Welcome. Maybe rename the parking lot.
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Parking lot name should be Hotel California - you can check out, but you can never leave.
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Parking lot name should be Hotel California - you can check out, but you can never leave.
Nice one!!! A few things might help with leaving after the game. First...those that leave via shuttle...move the line for the buses so the line is in front of the Donoher Center instead of the arena doors.

The university should place at least 1 experienced/mature person at each street exit with a radio to coordinate traffic. (Maybe traffic cameras to help monitor?)

It would be helpful if fans that travel via I-75 park in Lot A. The back gate near the baseball field could be a continuous route to the northbound ramp of I-75 and the right lane of the next exit turning right. Traffic controllers could alternate between the two the flow.

The left lane would also turn right into the inside lane for fans wanting to go south onI-75 or west on Edwin Moses Blvd. The exit between Lot A/B...the right lane turning right into the inside lane as well. Again alternating for the flow.

Left lane of that exit would turn left into the outside lane of Edwin Moses Blvd. Next exit would also turn left into the outside lane.

Next exit turn left into the inside lane of Edwin Moses.

Sorry for the lengthy post but there were games were the traffic controllers would not stop traffic on Edwin Moses to allow some from my line to get on the street so we sat a good 15 mins. before we were allow to move.
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Yeah, have to agree with existing. Used to be fast and easy, now lengthy and slow and dangerous. Cannot figure out why the change was made.
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Nice one!!! A few things might help with leaving after the game. First...those that leave via shuttle...move the line for the buses so the line is in front of the Donoher Center instead of the arena doors.

The university should place at least 1 experienced/mature person at each street exit with a radio to coordinate traffic. (Maybe traffic cameras to help monitor?)

It would be helpful if fans that travel via I-75 park in Lot A. The back gate near the baseball field could be a continuous route to the northbound ramp of I-75 and the right lane of the next exit turning right. Traffic controllers could alternate between the two the flow.

The left lane would also turn right into the inside lane for fans wanting to go south onI-75 or west on Edwin Moses Blvd. The exit between Lot A/B...the right lane turning right into the inside lane as well. Again alternating for the flow.

Left lane of that exit would turn left into the outside lane of Edwin Moses Blvd. Next exit would also turn left into the outside lane.

Next exit turn left into the inside lane of Edwin Moses.

Sorry for the lengthy post but there were games were the traffic controllers would not stop traffic on Edwin Moses to allow some from my line to get on the street so we sat a good 15 mins. before we were allow to move.
Had a number of rants about this last season, specifically regarding C Lot, where I park. Traffic flow both into and out of the lots needs to be made better this season. Was ridiculous to have 3 marked lanes at the C Lot entrance, but only use 1 of them after the game. Here was my solution:
-Use all 3 outbound lanes; 2 heading north on Edwin C, and 1 heading south.
-Force all northbound/eastbound traffic to the right-hand lane of Edwin C, to allow exiting traffic to take the left-hand lane and the “chicken lane”.
-Gradually merge the left-hand & “chicken lane” traffic to the right, to allow more exiting traffic to enter northbound Edwin C.
-Coordinate the exit patterns, so that not all 4 lots are exiting at once, and do it in relative proportion to the number of available spaces in each Lot.

But what do I know?
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If you are heading south on 75 I typically go past the Edwin C Moses ramp and go another 1/4 mile and turn left on Dryden. Dryden will also take you to 75S and is much less congested.
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Had a number of rants about this last season, specifically regarding C Lot, where I park. Traffic flow both into and out of the lots needs to be made better this season. Was ridiculous to have 3 marked lanes at the C Lot entrance, but only use 1 of them after the game. Here was my solution:
-Use all 3 outbound lanes; 2 heading north on Edwin C, and 1 heading south.
-Force all northbound/eastbound traffic to the right-hand lane of Edwin C, to allow exiting traffic to take the left-hand lane and the “chicken lane”.
-Gradually merge the left-hand & “chicken lane” traffic to the right, to allow more exiting traffic to enter northbound Edwin C.
-Coordinate the exit patterns, so that not all 4 lots are exiting at once, and do it in relative proportion to the number of available spaces in each Lot.

But what do I know?
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I proposed the same things over a decade ago...they also need to use the west side as the emergency entrance. Even with the outbound pattern, they have to have an emergency "IN" lane. With that said, that is easily coordinated via radio if there is in incident.

The main issue with the outbound traffic is the pattern exiting A towards 75. It is a complete disaster that C lot traffic has to funnel all the way to the suicide lane then back across all lanes of traffic to get to the curb lane to 75 N. This is an issue and they need to remove the dedicated cones for the right turn from Arena Park Dr.

Get the whales out of B lot first then use what you have to see that your biggest lots get out efficiently. You should be able to exit from the rear of the arena in front of the east doors when pedestrian traffic allows it. All A and C lot that is at the rear of the arena to the rear of Welcome is screwed. The three lanes exiting, as you mentioned, with traffic going between the handicap and the arena, would cure many issues.
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Just to illustrate how you cant ever please 100% of the people 100% of the time, there was a post on Facebook about the renovations and some lady chimed in under the responses and said she was severely disappointed in the renovation designs and the larger walkway around the Arena was the worst part because "it took away the intimacy". She said she liked to gather with friends before the game and at halftime in the hallways and it was a "community feel" under the wings and was a very cozy atmosphere.

Yeah if you dont mind rubbing shoulders with people and getting tripped every 2 steps.

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I do think they messed up the look outside by not doing the west and east (hopefully that's right, I always screw them up) ends the same. I get why you might not want windows on both ends, but from outside, I liked the symmetry of the arena, which has been affected.

Oh well, I guess if the powers that be had wanted my input, they would have asked...
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In proved court lighting, restrooms, although I am still puzzled at the new men's restroom on the way out to C lot that had all stalls and no urinals. Maybe that will change with the renovation completion.

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That's destined to be a women's restroom eventually. It currently identifies as a men's room.
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I do think they messed up the look outside by not doing the west and east (hopefully that's right, I always screw them up) ends the same. I get why you might not want windows on both ends, but from outside, I liked the symmetry of the arena, which has been affected.

Oh well, I guess if the powers that be had wanted my input, they would have asked...
I totally agree that it would have been nice if both "sideline" wings were the same. But, the "west" sideline wing basically faces the beer distributor and woods. You can see it from I75, but only at an angle, and only for a split second or three. The "east" sideline wing has much more ability to be seen from Edwin C Moses, Patterson, and the Marriot. Carillon too. Wonder what it looks like from the Clock tower at Carillon.

I'm more curious to know how the concourse on that side is going to flow since they didn't extend the walls like the did on the east side. And the concourse has to work its way around the offices on the southwest side. The drawings seem to me to not be as conducive to movement in that area as it is on the east side where it is very open.

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Fig, It is open on the east side? Come on now? When it's empty maybe, but not during a game. I know what you mean, but in all honesty, that stagnation never really went away last year. Maybe it was partially due to west side folks going over to the east a lot to enjoy and observe the new; but I'm not holding my breath on the flawless free flowing design of the new circular concourse. Just saying!
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The media tour has been moved to Friday at 1pm because of the work still in progress.
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This parking map was referenced in an email I received this morning.

https://daytonflyers.com/sports/2017...g.aspx?id=1602

"PARKING TRAFFIC PATTERNS
In an effort to improve the speed at which fans are able to exit the parking lots following games we have created maps for each lot showing the flow of traffic."
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This parking map was referenced in an email I received this morning.

https://daytonflyers.com/sports/2017...g.aspx?id=1602

"PARKING TRAFFIC PATTERNS
In an effort to improve the speed at which fans are able to exit the parking lots following games we have created maps for each lot showing the flow of traffic."
I looked at the maps. From an Engineer's perspective, I'd say they have A and B lots correct. C and D lots are still wrong.

A lot has everyone turning right toward I-75. Good move.
B lot has turns left and right. Being the big money donor lot, I have no problem. You can have one central lot that turns both ways.
C and D lots have both left and right turns. FAIL! Both should be left turn only. I could maybe give C lot a right turn, but it's not ideal. D lot should be like A lot. Left turn only. Allowing right turn requires someone to stop traffic coming out of C and B to keep traffic from backing up. Same reason for right turn out of C not being a good idea. If you need to go south from C or D, take Stewart across the bridge to Patterson, take Stewart west to Cincinnati St and loop back to I-75, or get on US-35 downtown.

Ultimately, it comes down to the people who set up the cones and wave the flashlights.
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MRFF, you are 100% correct. I am with you!

I have a feeling that we will back to the old, tried and true, method by January 1. But, on second thought, I have come to know the administrative group we are dealing with; and it's dicey sometimes.
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The new parking map shows available egress from "D" lot via 2 back of the lot exits. I know those exits have always been there, but have they been used in the last few years?
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Maybe not on the sides, but the very back exit past Welcome Park has been active every game in the past 20 years, at-least. The only down side to that back exit has been the following situation:

The massive pothole in the driveway was so huge, and deep (no, this is not a rollo reference), that you would leave every game felling the car needed a new $1,000 front end adjustment.

The construction and closing of the 35 ramp, left a bunch to be desired. It was on again, off again, and longtime back on again.

And this really hurts; the entrance to I-75 North about two blocks north of stewart street has been permanently closed and removed...so called modernization project...whatever.
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Out of C lot, turn left on Edwin C, turn right on Washington, turn right on Ludlow, right on 35. Now you can take 75 either way. Talking to those in A lot, this is sometimes faster.
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Maybe not on the sides, but the very back exit past Welcome Park has been active every game in the past 20 years, at-least. The only down side to that back exit has been the following situation:

The massive pothole in the driveway was so huge, and deep (no, this is not a rollo reference), that you would leave every game felling the car needed a new $1,000 front end adjustment.

The construction and closing of the 35 ramp, left a bunch to be desired. It was on again, off again, and longtime back on again.

And this really hurts; the entrance to I-75 North about two blocks north of stewart street has been permanently closed and removed...so called modernization project...whatever.

Don't forget that at least one or two games per year, some jackass parks in one of the two spots in front of this gate, restricting the flow even more at the back gate
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Don't forget that at least one or two games per year, some jackass parks in one of the two spots in front of this gate, restricting the flow even more at the back gate
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The lines on the court and the A10 logo are now Navy Blue. Looks good
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Pictures from the media walk through this afternoon.
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Don't forget that at least one or two games per year, some jackass parks in one of the two spots in front of this gate, restricting the flow even more at the back gate
Can't they just put up some metal chain/concrete post barriers or something along with signage to prevent this from happening? Seems pretty easy.
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Can't they just put up some metal chain/concrete post barriers or something along with signage to prevent this from happening? Seems pretty easy.
People do not read! I have noticed a traffic cone sitting in these spots pregame, don't know if they get moved or what but seems like yearly occurance that someone ends up parking here anyways.
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Over all, the Arena is FANTASTIC! I would like the staff to take a look at just a couple of things. The Fan store in the southeast corner should have been made much larger. It was also stated in another post how the ventilation system makes things a lot better. I would suggest the staff to maybe looking at zones in the arena for adjustments. Sitting in the 300 level, when the fans kicked on, they were pushing out cold air with some force. And since seats in the 300 and 400 levels are much closer to the vents, maybe they could be put on a slower blower speed as to not freeze the fans out. Just very minor items, but I want to stress, the arena is hard to top.
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I think the fan store is more of an open during the week size than a huge gameday size..take the first few games of the season out of it and around Christmas....it is probably the right size..

My ONLY criticism...which I mentioned last Wednesday...the white pillars on the concourse need a 6 inch drink rail all the way around so people can set a beverage and a snack on it. They put them on the pillars in the club lounges...extend them to the concourse and concession sales will appreciate it.

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I haven't been into the arena since the Bama game in 15, on a scale of 1-10 how noticeable are the changes?
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I love the LED court lighting, which includes multi-colored lights that go red and blue during pre-game + at other points in the show.

The NW concourse is redone behind the 300 section. I was able to get to concessions easily. Bathrooms on that side of the Arena redone and are nice. I'm a big fan of the darker seats on all levels. I think it looks a lot better than the old red and blue.

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I haven't been into the arena since the Bama game in 15, on a scale of 1-10 how noticeable are the changes?
Outside of the inner bowl, you will not recognize the arena. It is completely new. It is bright and airy. There are 2 new walled in private clubs that dominate the old open areas under the wings - kind of a negative, but overall it is a great (new) facility that retains the original UD spirit. Now we just need to pile up the W’s!!!
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I haven't been into the arena since the Bama game in 15, on a scale of 1-10 how noticeable are the changes?
You will barely recognize the place, so I would say about 15 on your scsle.
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The new laser light show at the introduction is top notch. I sit in 411 and it was the perfect vantage point to view the show.

One of the laser projectors now hangs in front of the main center court display.

A few minutes of fun for a game of irritation at the obstruction. Overall:
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The new laser light show at the introduction is top notch. I sit in 411 and it was the perfect vantage point to view the show.

One of the laser projectors now hangs in front of the main center court display.

A few minutes of fun for a game of irritation at the obstruction. Overall:
It's only for one game...

The projectors themselves run 85-90k a piece. The servers are 75k a piece....so basically over a million to have the system.

Much cheaper for a one game rental for a special event...

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While the lasers were enteraining, I actually preferred our intro bit from last season. I felt like we were missing action from the video board. The lasers were cool (especially during player intros)
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There were 12 projectors, don't know how many servers. So by Swampy's numbers between $1,1M to $1,5M to buy. I would guess that it wold be worth it, it was a cool show and would have a lot of uses.

They didn't use the projectors except for the intro. The intro was made to be seen from the camera side (east) and from higher up. From where I sat, in to perfect location to see the show, it was much better than the film intro from last year.
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While the lasers were enteraining, I actually preferred our intro bit from last season. I felt like we were missing action from the video board. The lasers were cool (especially during player intros)
One negative is sitting in the upper bowl they block part of the center scoreboard
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I was just happy they were able to incorporate in the intro (via Kanye’s sample) one of the best song’s from the year the arena originally opened (1969)— 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson.
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It's only for one game...

The projectors themselves run 85-90k a piece. The servers are 75k a piece....so basically over a million to have the system.

Much cheaper for a one game rental for a special event...
This just seems so mid major to me. A chance to make a big statement, something to show recruits that Dayton is big time, and you balk at $1 mill after spending $75. It's made worse by how big of a deal athletics made about a light show that was a rental. I know this will get all the usual "easy to say when it's not your money, blah blah" responses, but at the end of the day I find it hard to believe the money couldn't have been found to make this a statement to every high school kid who comes to a UD game that it is as big time as any other program they visit.
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This just seems so mid major to me. A chance to make a big statement, something to show recruits that Dayton is big time, and you balk at $1 mill after spending $75. It's made worse by how big of a deal athletics made about a light show that was a rental. I know this will get all the usual "easy to say when it's not your money, blah blah" responses, but at the end of the day I find it hard to believe the money couldn't have been found to make this a statement to every high school kid who comes to a UD game that it is as big time as any other program they visit.
IF the administration were to put this in permanently, the projectors would have to be on a retractable pulley system, otherwise that wonderful scoreboard is a waste of money. Also, it would have been nice to show the video on the replay boards for those of us behind the benches, as it wasn't real clear on that side.
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There were 12 projectors, don't know how many servers. So by Swampy's numbers between $1,1M to $1,5M to buy. I would guess that it wold be worth it, it was a cool show and would have a lot of uses.
At $1.5M, that's around 2% of the total project cost. Consider it a tool for the NCAA first four, recruiting leg up on all the other mid majors, and you have some four star out of the box, gold oak leaves with clusters thinking and acting.

In the totality of a $76.2M project, this one seems like a great use of funds to recruit, and entertain the fans.

Besides, was really hoping to see highlights of the UD Twitter Pick up basketball game next....
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I know this will get all the usual "easy to say when it's not your money, blah blah" responses, but at the end of the day I find it hard to believe the money couldn't have been found to make this a statement to every high school kid who comes to a UD game that it is as big time as any other program they visit.
You know any UD fans with $1.5M burning a hole in their wallets -- that havent already given to UD basketball recently? Its an extremely small list.

Wisconsin and Florida MBB among others have one of these systems, but in the B10 or SEC or other Power-5 league, $1.5M million is just a day's pay from the TV contract. Its like spending money on Tic Tacs. At a school like UD, its a fortune.
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It's only 1.5 million. A business the size of the University should be able to finance that over 3-5 years without much effort.

Expecting donors to front the money for improvements means Dayton can never grow faster than its donors.

You don't always get the money and then create the product. Sometimes you have to create the product to get the money.

The thing that makes less sense to me, if it was a one time thing, why was it used on a regionally televised non conference game? Why limit the impact?
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At $1.5M, that's around 2% of the total project cost. Consider it a tool for the NCAA first four, recruiting leg up on all the other mid majors, and you have some four star out of the box, gold oak leaves with clusters thinking and acting.

In the totality of a $76.2M project, this one seems like a great use of funds to recruit, and entertain the fans.

Besides, was really hoping to see highlights of the UD Twitter Pick up basketball game next....
The fans have a great experience at UD Arena. I would rather $1.5 million be spent on getting better recruits to play for UD. That can be done in a variety of ways. (I'm not talking about the illegal ones).

I'd like to see a top 25 team on the floor more often (wearing the home jerseys).
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You know any UD fans with $1.5M burning a hole in their wallets -- that havent already given to UD basketball recently? Its an extremely small list.

Wisconsin and Florida MBB among others have one of these systems, but in the B10 or SEC or other Power-5 league, $1.5M million is just a day's pay from the TV contract. Its like spending money on Tic Tacs. At a school like UD, its a fortune.
Expected a response like this. The school has far more financial resources than its being credited. It easily could have been done.
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The fans have a great experience at UD Arena. I would rather $1.5 million be spent on getting better recruits to play for UD. That can be done in a variety of ways. (I'm not talking about the illegal ones).

I'd like to see a top 25 team on the floor more often (wearing the home jerseys).
Expected this also. Might want to consider that this kids being recruited for that top 25 team are growing up on iPhones, and digital optics that far out pace the black and white TV. Kids love technology and all the pizazz that comes with it.
Since we will never be in a power conference, we need every advantage we can get.

Bring a kid in, sit him down, and show a video of him on that floor...wow.


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Expected a response like this. The school has far more financial resources than its being credited. It easily could have been done.
Tolerating these these cheap, greedy UD administrative and philanthropic bahstards is truly inspiring. The weight of the burden must be overwhelming. I dont know how Flyer fans go on.

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Tolerating these these cheap, greedy UD administrative and philanthropic bahstards is truly inspiring. The weight of the burden must be overwhelming. I dont know how Flyer fans go on.
That's not what I implied.

Using the same approach as above, the University is broke and donors bankrupt.

Perhaps we can agree that reality is somewhere between these implied extremes.
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Just like in your family and mine, it is about spending priorities. I trust those who have created and maintained this great athletic department with setting those priorities. They know more than all of us combined. Of course unless someone wants to step up and earmark a donation for the light show, or head a campaign to raise the money.

Heck we have people on this site who are too cheap to pay for Pride+, but $1.5 mil from someone else, no problem
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Grant isn't getting paid what Archie was offered. The one year difference between the two would cover this system. It's not an insurmountable hill. If it could be better spent on the recruiting budget, then I'm here for it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Nobody is arguing that it isn't harder for UD than it is at Wisconsin. What we are arguing is that we shouldn't miss opportunities to narrow that gap, especially when it seems eminently doable.
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A stupid light show is so far down on the list I don't think it would sway a single recruit over 10 years.
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This is the same program that wouldn't upgrade to video boards until they were required to by the NCAA. Early adapters of technology we are not.
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If the technology progresses like most, this will be available at 10% of today’s price in a few years. I’d wait. What’s the cost benefit of buying today, we are already close to selling out . Don’t know how much more expense is involved in maintaining, running, content, etc. That may be prohibitive.
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Have 'em or don't, it really only benefits the east side, just don't block the scoreboard.
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A stupid light show is so far down on the list I don't think it would sway a single recruit over 10 years.
It was cool to see but I think it would get old after a season. UD is selling a ticket to a basketball game...hopefully a game where UD wins 90+% of the time. That’s what I want to see.

I think it would have a minimal effect on recruiting as well. Relationships with coaches, playing time, chance to play in NCAA, game and practice facilities, a packed house every night, and for some even, a quality education should and does rank higher than a light show for the warmups.
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$1.5m buys a lot of butt time in a Net Jet so Grant can sit in living rooms across the country.
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A stupid light show is so far down on the list I don't think it would sway a single recruit over 10 years.
100% with this. It wasn't that cool and apparently it was best viewed in the 400's. Obi Toppin asked Jabo how it looked.

If we added it, I would have been mad. Spending 1.5M on 60sec light show that really only benefits the upper bowl (18x a season) is horrific financial management.

Spend it on a world class training facility, hydro tanks, top of the line lifting equipment, branding and marketing materials, get Grant in front of more kids, get specially designed Unis from Nike. All of these are much better things to spend the money on.
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100% with this. It wasn't that cool and apparently it was best viewed in the 400's. Obi Toppin asked Jabo how it looked.

If we added it, I would have been mad. Spending 1.5M on 60sec light show that really only benefits the upper bowl (18x a season) is horrific financial management.

Spend it on a world class training facility, hydro tanks, top of the line lifting equipment, branding and marketing materials, get Grant in front of more kids, get specially designed Unis from Nike. All of these are much better things to spend the money on.
Free tickets for everyone, no tuition, pay the students...I mean athletes
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Bring a kid in, sit him down, and show a video of him on that floor...wow.
Hate to break it to you but that is an NCAA violation.

On official and unofficial visits, schools are not permitted to "personalize" anything such as jerseys, lockers, hotel rooms, anything...they also aren't permitted to "simulate" anything which includes digital media shown on big screens or jumbotrons...

Basically...any use of the tech to customize for a recruits visit is illegal.

The only people to GAF that this is a one time thing are the people that wouldn't write UD a check let alone be on an advisory committee making suggestions on where to spend the money. When Connor Group drops 10 million to UD to make this project happen...they they get a say. UD obviously needed outside donors to see this project through. Anyone got an extra million to let them have?

Were you a recruited athlete? If you were and you say that a pregame intro sealed the deal....then I have beachfront property in Kentucky to sell.

13k in the stands and a raucous crowd seals the deal...not some video on the floor. UD can create the same atmosphere with the tech currently in place without spending another million plus.
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What a waste of time and money.... if UD bought this I would have to rethink my giving. They could get one of those ball that changes colors and hang it from the video boards. Maybe a really expensive one.... like a $100.00
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I really can't believe this has generated this much discussion on 2 different threads!
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I really can't believe this has generated this much discussion on 2 different threads!
You have been around since 2002 and you can't believe this?
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Hate to break it to you but that is an NCAA violation.

On official and unofficial visits, schools are not permitted to "personalize" anything such as jerseys, lockers, hotel rooms, anything...they also aren't permitted to "simulate" anything which includes digital media shown on big screens or jumbotrons...

Basically...any use of the tech to customize for a recruits visit is illegal.
The college arena recruitment scene in He Got Game was a violation then. I never knew that.
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Hate to break it to you but that is an NCAA violation.

On official and unofficial visits, schools are not permitted to "personalize" anything such as jerseys, lockers, hotel rooms, anything...they also aren't permitted to "simulate" anything which includes digital media shown on big screens or jumbotrons...

Basically...any use of the tech to customize for a recruits visit is illegal.

The only people to GAF that this is a one time thing are the people that wouldn't write UD a check let alone be on an advisory committee making suggestions on where to spend the money. When Connor Group drops 10 million to UD to make this project happen...they they get a say. UD obviously needed outside donors to see this project through. Anyone got an extra million to let them have?

Were you a recruited athlete? If you were and you say that a pregame intro sealed the deal....then I have beachfront property in Kentucky to sell.

13k in the stands and a raucous crowd seals the deal...not some video on the floor. UD can create the same atmosphere with the tech currently in place without spending another million plus.
I think it changed to this in the 2000s. At one point I think it was Oregon was making custom comic books for recruits on visits
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Expected a response like this. The school has far more financial resources than its being credited. It easily could have been done.
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That's not what I implied.
I think you kinda did.

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If the technology progresses like most, this will be available at 10% of today’s price in a few years. I’d wait. What’s the cost benefit of buying today, we are already close to selling out . Don’t know how much more expense is involved in maintaining, running, content, etc. That may be prohibitive.
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But I just wanted to add that the university's endowment could buy one of these systems for every D1 program in the country and have money left over. I think it makes more sense to say that it's not a good ROI instead of whether or not the university could have afforded it if it really wanted to. It didn't really want to.
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It never occurred to me that this was for the people in the stands that night. Seems like it would be for the people watching on TV and the clicks the video generates on Twitter and Instagram and the You Tube views.

That type of marketing goes a long way. Maybe once was enough. People are still talking about it.
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It never occurred to me that this was for the people in the stands that night. Seems like it would be for the people watching on TV and the clicks the video generates on Twitter and Instagram and the You Tube views.

That type of marketing goes a long way. Maybe once was enough. People are still talking about it.
Pregame intros don't make live TV. They are paying bills at that time with commercials...

Yes...a recording on Instagram, Facebook, or youtube is about the only replay you will see and the only place to see it unless you watched it in person live.
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People wanting this light show because it would put us " over the top" may be the same folks that think our arena and facilities alone should be able to get us into almost any conference like the Big Least ... So far that isn't working is it?

Lights, Bells Etc isn't the magic missing for the program. Consistent winning is.
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People wanting this light show because it would put us " over the top" may be the same folks that think our arena and facilities alone should be able to get us into almost any conference like the Big Least ... So far that isn't working is it?

Lights, Bells Etc isn't the magic missing for the program. Consistent winning is.
I agree here. However, does not mean that pursuing other methods of being a great choice for the "student athletes" shouldn't be considered.
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How you dress up 2 minutes of introductions are way down the list of the bell/whistles players look for in choosing a program. Laser/light shows are for the fans and to sell tickets, period. UD has had no problem selling tickets.
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