Cinderella Has Arrived

[Marysville Flyer]

What an ending to the VA - Furman game.
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer What an ending to the VA - Furman game. Posted via Mobile Device

Furman isn't going to go on long run IMO. Virginia's lack of offense for long stretches cost them. There aren't too many Daytons and Virginias in the NCAA in rounds of 32 and 16.

[CoffeeCan]

VA was only a 5.5 favorite, this was supposed to be close

[Hyde Park Flyer]

When you don’t score many points, the opponent doesn’t have to score many to win!
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[MrFlyerFanatic]

5 years ago today UMBC 74 - UVA 54.
March 16th gives no love to the Cavaliers.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Furman isn't going to go on long run IMO. Virginia's lack of offense for long stretches cost them. There aren't too many Daytons and Virginias in the NCAA in rounds of 32 and 16.

Well, maybe I should retract that. Watching their next opponent(whoever advances between College of Charleston and San Diego St) they both look like defensive teams that are capable of going through scoring droughts.

[longtimefan67]

The might Arizona Wildcats out

[superfan99]

Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are.

I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by superfan99 Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are. I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition Posted via Mobile Device

Agree, the ncaat team selection process is totally rigged to favor the p5, it is blatantly obvious, very crooked. They should use metrics, that have public formulas, to make the selections. P*sses me off. And the p5 ain't all that.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by superfan99 Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are. I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition Posted via Mobile Device

Agreed. And, with the way the tournament is structured, we’re subjected to an 8/9 matchup like Iowa/Auburn, where the combatants were a combined 39-25: only 14 games over .500 COMBINED. Iowa finished only 6 games over .500, with a 19-13 record, and a schedule that included 18 home games and 4 neutral site games. The way I see it, that puts Iowa 1 game UNDER .500. And that’s good enough for an 8 seed? Give me a fukeing break!
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ud2 Agree, the ncaat team selection process is totally rigged to favor the p5, it is blatantly obvious, very crooked. They should use metrics, that have public formulas, to make the selections. P*sses me off. And the p5 ain't all that.

And they don’t even have the bag of chips, either!
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[CoffeeCan]

Now we have a Cinderella. Well done Princeton!

[longtimefan]

I believe the P5/6 got 31 of the 36 at-large bids this year. Princeton strikes again! I was at the game when Princeton beat defending National Champion UCLA in 1996 at the RCA Dome. Good times!

[UD62]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Now we have a Cinderella. Well done Princeton!

So far a 2 and a 4 have bit the dust. Love it, congrats to Princeton and Furman

[T-Bone 84]

Anyone watching The Battle of The Decayed?
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[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Agreed. And, with the way the tournament is structured, we’re subjected to an 8/9 matchup like Iowa/Auburn, where the combatants were a combined 39-25: only 14 games over .500 COMBINED. Iowa finished only 6 games over .500, with a 19-13 record, and a schedule that included 18 home games and 4 neutral site games. The way I see it, that puts Iowa 1 game UNDER .500. And that’s good enough for an 8 seed? Give me a fukeing break! Posted via Mobile Device

Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.

My point exactly!
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[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Now we have a Cinderella. Well done Princeton!

Cinderella’s story isn’t about her being homely or ugly.
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[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.

All 4 - 12 seeds are mid major teams. Fortunately, a mid major grabbed a 5 seed. I’m not sure it’s some sort of cabal.
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[ChampCar]

Seen here before but worth another look.

https://youtu.be/cxyPeME9TbI
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[zmz723]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.

2017 Wichita State was Kenpom #8 and they were a 10 seed. Of course UD gets the 7 seed. **** like that happens every year
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[Southwest]

Originally Posted by ChampCar Seen here before but worth another look. https://youtu.be/cxyPeME9TbI Posted via Mobile Device

“and the University of Dayton Flyers were the first team out.” 😜🙄

[Flyers98]

Anybody think Tony Bennett should be fired? Just wondering, I mean I know he won a national championship but what have you done for me lately other than "choke" in the tourney. For the record, I don't think he should be fired.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 Anybody think Tony Bennett should be fired? Just wondering, I mean I know he won a national championship but what have you done for me lately other than "choke" in the tourney. For the record, I don't think he should be fired.

I posted in another thread that he is lucky he won that National Championship or else the seat would be pretty hot right now with how commonplace early exits have been for him lately. A National Championship can make up for a lot of blemishes, but I have to believe the fan base must be getting a bit antsy these days.

[TXFlyerFan]

Fran McCaffery has made the tournament a lot at Iowa, but has rarely made it past the first game. Lot's of people there are very unhappy with him.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan Fran McCaffery has made the tournament a lot at Iowa, but has rarely made it past the first game. Lot's of people there are very unhappy with him.

He's also a crazy person. I can't imagine putting up with his antics when he can't even advance in the tournament out of the Big Ten.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 He's also a crazy person. I can't imagine putting up with his antics when he can't even advance in the tournament out of the Big Ten.

I CAN imagine putting up with him. Winning buys you a lot of leeway.

He brought a proud program back to prominence. Winning matters.


Iowa Hawkeyes NCAA tournament appearances
1955, 1956, 1970, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023

Fran took over in March 2010. From 2000-2010, 11 years, they only made the ncaat 3 times. He brought them back to life. They go to the ncaat almost every year now.

[Furio]

halftime score kennesaw st 43 xavier 36
14 seed vs 3 seed

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Marysville Flyer]

I think St Mary’s should be a good matchup for VCU.
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[Smitty10]

X certainly looks more like a 16 seed than they do a 3 seed. They are just getting punked.

[udx2]

Kennesaw State went ice cold for a critical period in the second half (something we have seen) after it looked like it would wear the slipper today. For a while it was dominating X, which had an injury issue.

[Smitty10]

Ace Baldwin bricked a 3 and came down funny on his right leg. Didn't look good and if he's out or hampered, it's lights out for VCU.

[Smitty10]

Well, if it's ever questioned whether the A10 has fallen deep, our conference champion and only representative in the dance looked very much like a 15th seed rather than a 12.

This conference is to college basketball what SVB is to the banking industry.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Well, if it's ever questioned whether the A10 has fallen deep, our conference champion and only representative in the dance looked very much like a 15th seed rather than a 12. This conference is to college basketball what SVB is to the banking industry.

It is almost impossible to win if you only score 51 points. 63-51 Saint Mary's wins.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by ud2 It is almost impossible to win if you only score 51 points. 63-51 Saint Mary's wins.

I've said all along VCU is the worst inside shooting team I ever saw and you concentrate on stopping their 3s, you should win. But yet St. Mary's kept them from hitting inside shots all game long and Deuce and Camara couldn't. This whole conference is crap to make VCU look as good as they did.

[longtimefan67]

I see St. Marys beat VCU like a drum…

[CoffeeCan]

I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year.

I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today.

I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year. I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today. I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.

UNC Asheville is the only one I can see. Since we actually did beat them.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 UNC Asheville is the only one I can see. Since we actually did beat them.

You can add ISU to the short list 2 for 22 in the second half. 30 pts with under 6 to go.
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[Canonball]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year. I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today. I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.

Found it very hard to watch the Flyers this year. The guys frequently looked listless and resigned to going through the motions. Compare that to watching Kennesaw State against X. Overmatched on talent, but they play with purpose and pop. Their program is like 5 years old. When UD seems to thrive they've got coaches and players that reflect the blue collar grit, never say die attitude of the city itself.

In the meantime - Sláinte. In honor of how we all feel, go out and light a dumpster on fire!

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer You can add ISU to the short list 2 for 22 in the second half. 30 pts with under 6 to go. Posted via Mobile Device

Since the Panthers are my only 11 seed picked to advance, I love it.

[foolishpride]

Down goes #1 Seed Purdue!

[longtimefan67]

Woooohooo
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[Smitty10]

Who here were at the game that FDU almost took down #1 seed Michigan at UD Arena in 1985? Right before Dayton lost to Nova who went on to win championship? So twice a 16 has won against a #1 seed, FDU has one of those plus the next closest.

[jack72]

It was so painful to watch Purdue play the shortest team. Deja Vu of Dayton. Double team their awesome big and let all the other Purdue players shoot and miss threes, 5-26. And their coach made zero adjustments. I hope the Dayton coaches watched that game.

BTW in Dec, at the half Richmond 42 and FDU 9.
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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[foolishpride]

The athleticism of FDU was impressive!

[cj]

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/for...basketball.30/

Enjoy

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by cj https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/for...basketball.30/ Enjoy

Looks like the same FWF on this board. Can’t coach, etc…some of the comments are copy and paste from UDPride.

[CoffeeCan]

Purdue's last three NCAA Tournaments:

2023: Lose to 16-seed FDU
2022: Lose to 15-seed St. Peter's
2021: Lose to 13-seed North Texas

[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Purdue's last three NCAA Tournaments: 2023: Lose to 16-seed FDU 2022: Lose to 15-seed St. Peter's 2021: Lose to 13-seed North Texas

BG, Archie, Grant, Painter, whoever…I’d be calling for them to be fired too

[FlyerinChicago]

And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose.
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose. Posted via Mobile Device

You keep repeating that nonsense.

So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?

[Ready Action]

Purdue's problem is obviously their conference affiliation. They should do whatever it takes to get into the Big East 😀
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[Radar]

Originally Posted by TX Flyer BG, Archie, Grant, Painter, whoever…I’d be calling for them to be fired too

Because that's just what you (and others) do.

[Clear Prop]

"Purdue's problem is obviously their conference affiliation. They should do whatever it takes to get into the Big East ��
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I wish this forum had a "Laugh Thanks" button, Good one!!!

[Clear Prop]

"You keep repeating that nonsense.

"So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?"

Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Clear Prop "You keep repeating that nonsense. "So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?" Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.

True it took Coach K four years, then he virtually went to the NCAA every year. So are you saying Coach G will start his ascent when, next year, the year after?

[OSU Flyer]

I would be shocked if UD ever makes the tournament again under AG
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[zmz723]

It’s been 6 years and the program is on a clear decline…
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by zmz723 It’s been 6 years and the program is on a clear decline… Posted via Mobile Device

There’s some folks who will be shocked how this team looks without Holmes and Camara
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by Clear Prop "You keep repeating that nonsense. "So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?" Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.

When does the 4 year clock start? 2037?

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Clear Prop "You keep repeating that nonsense. "So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?" Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.

2 things.

1. I wasn't arguing in this post about whether Grant deserves slack, I'm sick of this and other posters who say the coach isn't responsible for bad plays by players. Enough bad plays lead to bad losses. Enough bad losses lead to a bad record. If the college coach is not responsible for that, since he builds the roster, what the hell is he responsible for?

2. If Coach K took 4 years to rebuild a "terrible Duke team", how does that compare to CAG who took over a program with 4 straight NCAA appearances? And as mentioned, he's now completed 6 years.

[bcross]

The same people convinced themselves that greatness was around the corner with BG are managing to do it again with AG. Truly remarkable watching history play out the same way.

[longtimefan67]

Because I couldn’t watch the VCU game, just read that Ace Baldwin got hurt in the game; why wouldn’t Mike Rhoades have a competent backup pg on the bench, wtf was he thinking? Didn’t he learn anything from seeing Mali hurt at Dayton multiple times? What a poor decision…
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[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 You keep repeating that nonsense. So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?

He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way.
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way. Posted via Mobile Device

Outlier? Pick any coach that has made the NCAA more than 4 times in their 15 year or shorter career. Why are they more successful? Because their players made plays and CAG isn't that lucky? Or better yet, pick any coach that has made the tournament more than 1 in the past 6? There are many.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way. Posted via Mobile Device

Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want.
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	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by longtimeBonehead Because I couldn’t watch the VCU game, just read that Ace Baldwin got hurt in the game; why wouldn’t Mike Rhoades have a competent backup pg on the bench, wtf was he thinking? Didn’t he learn anything from seeing Mali hurt at Dayton multiple times? What a poor decision… Posted via Mobile Device

OMG. So much wrong with this. Again, why my pet name for him is Bonehead.

Losing Ace to them would be like losing Deuce or Camara to us. It would be like if we had lost Obi in 2019-2020. Until Mali is star of the team, this is just another Bonehead comment.

Oh, and they would've lost anyway. They weren't playing against a terrible coach like they did in the A10 championship.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want. Posted via Mobile Device (this is why Duke players generally play better than Dayton players- they ARE better.

So what, we are not Duke, or Ky or Houston. Can we not be VCU or X or Zaga?

Why did Kennard not go to OSU? And why did Holmes come to UD and not AZ? Kids like to go out of state and always have.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want. Posted via Mobile Device (this is why Duke players generally play better than Dayton players- they ARE better.

Shhhhh....Smitty talkin real smart like.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 OMG. So much wrong with this. Again, why my pet name for him is Bonehead. Losing Ace to them would be like losing Deuce or Camara to us. It would be like if we had lost Obi in 2019-2020. Until Mali is star of the team, this is just another Bonehead comment. Oh, and they would've lost anyway. They weren't playing against a terrible coach like they did in the A10 championship.

"Until Mali is star of the team"...talk about bone-headed comments.

[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Outlier? Pick any coach that has made the NCAA more than 4 times in their 15 year or shorter career. Why are they more successful? Because their players made plays and CAG isn't that lucky? Or better yet, pick any coach that has made the tournament more than 1 in the past 6? There are many.

lmao..I'm done with you.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago "Until Mali is star of the team"...talk about bone-headed comments.

You want to elaborate? Or is it as simple as you think Mali is the star of the team. Your ignorance is very difficult to decipher.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago lmao..I'm done with you.

Translation "I, FlyerinChicago am too stupid to defend my position, so instead of admitting I was wrong, I'm done with this battle of wits when I'm unarmed."

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by Ready Action Purdue's problem is obviously their conference affiliation. They should do whatever it takes to get into the Big East 😀 Posted via Mobile Device

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The reason Purdue lost was due solely to their weak pep band. Fairleigh Dickinson hired the UD pep band to play for them -BOOM- winner winner, chicken dinner . . .

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by N2663R You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The reason Purdue lost was due solely to their weak pep band. Fairleigh Dickinson hired the UD pep band to play for them -BOOM- winner winner, chicken dinner . . .

Nope their coach didn’t call the magic timeouts when he should have. That and they don’t have the most knowledgeable fans in the country making them entitled to more.
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[UD62]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago lmao..I'm done with you.

Use ignore, it's like eliminating a toothache.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by UD62 Use ignore, it's like eliminating a toothache.

That’s what I did to Sh1tty10
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago Shhhhh....Smitty talkin real smart like.

LMAO
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by jack72 So what, we are not Duke, or Ky or Houston. Can we not be VCU or X or Zaga? Why did Kennard not go to OSU? And why did Holmes come to UD and not AZ? Kids like to go out of state and always have.

OK jack, riddle: why does Duke and Kentucky always get their pick of a FULL ROSTER of 5 star recruits? (Not just the occasional 1)
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[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 That’s what I did to Sh1tty10 Posted via Mobile Device

I’ve only put one person on ignore..now two, I can’t handle the “battle of wits” ..what a d*****bag.
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[rollo]

I’m ready for another UDPride vacation. There’s only so much Stuuuuuuupid Super Rollo can take.

See y’all in November. If you’re worthy.
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[jack72]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 OK jack, riddle: why does Duke and Kentucky always get their pick of a FULL ROSTER of 5 star recruits? (Not just the occasional 1) Posted via Mobile Device

Are you serious? Let’s see Duke had the best coach in the best basketball school, great academics ( not that many players cared, but it is a bragging right), a beautiful campus, great support, nice weather and sends a bunch to the pros. Probably ditto for KY, but I am not a fan.
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[Smitty10]

Okay, I knew the Flyers play slow on offense. But my eyes didn't tell me how slow.

Watching these good teams in the tournament, I see a lot of ball movement, and juking and driving, inside out passing, and then realizing that the shot they want isn't there, they move the ball out and reset the offense. I think to my self "wow, they better hurry!" and then look at the shot clock and there's still 13 seconds on it. I swear when I see the same kind of thing with the Flyers, there's usually about 6 seconds or less on the shot clock.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by jack72 Are you serious? Let’s see Duke had the best coach in the best basketball school, great academics ( not that many players cared, but it is a bragging right), a beautiful campus, great support, nice weather and sends a bunch to the pros. Probably ditto for KY, but I am not a fan. Posted via Mobile Device

Seriously Jack? You think maybe it has something to do with the conference that either Duke or Kentucky are in? Think that might be a leading factor? Dayton made future success in the middle to late 70’s very difficult as long as they continue to cling to those decisions and put the arena first and the revenue it generates vs the conference affiliation they should value but don’t.
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[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose. Posted via Mobile Device

The late. great Al McGuire: . . . it's 95% talent, 5% coaching.

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[ud2]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Okay, I knew the Flyers play slow on offense. But my eyes didn't tell me how slow. Watching these good teams in the tournament, I see a lot of ball movement, and juking and driving, inside out passing, and then realizing that the shot they want isn't there, they move the ball out and reset the offense. I think to my self "wow, they better hurry!" and then look at the shot clock and there's still 13 seconds on it. I swear when I see the same kind of thing with the Flyers, there's usually about 6 seconds or less on the shot clock.

Ehh, I don't know. I still see some/maybe several teams whose offense I am just not real impressed with. IMO, good offense seems to be about passing/sharing the ball, off-the-ball movement/back door plays, screens, and ball movement. Work the ball around the court looking for the open shot. Make the defense work. Inside-out play. Keep the ball moving, limit the amount of pointless dribbling. Make the defense adjust.

I see some of these teams just do a lot of dribbling running down the shot clock, lazy settling for 3 pointers, individual one-on-one dribble driving. Their offenses don't look too complex.

Seems like good offense beats good defense. You don't see many teams going far if they only score in the 50's or 60's. Good offense takes good coaching, and the players buying into the team concept/sharing the ball. I don't see a lot of great offenses and great offensive coaches.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Seriously Jack? You think maybe it has something to do with the conference that either Duke or Kentucky are in? Think that might be a leading factor? Dayton made future success in the middle to late 70’s very difficult as long as they continue to cling to those decisions and put the arena first and the revenue it generates vs the conference affiliation they should value but don’t. Posted via Mobile Device

My bad, I forgot to list conference affiliation. Certainly true for the ACC, but up until the last few years the SEC was lacking in great teams, other than KY.

Of course now the NIL money will have a huge influence, but most five star kids are all about getting to the NBA.

[Jack D]

My observations vs some of the games I watched

UD is slow
UD lacks outside shooters


I like our height and length but we should play 3 guards and 2 forwards to compete against the teams I watched

[TommyGola]

It's a guard's game in D-1 basketball today. You need a point guard who can penetrate and dish and three other guard/forwards who shoot the three-ball. It is not complicated. We were not strong in the guard-game. We had two big studs who played their roles quite well, but we lacked a penetrating point guard and the accompanying shooters. Maybe Coach Grant knew that and thought the only way he could win games is to slow down the offense and rely on Camara and Holmes. His strategy worked to some degree, until we played the quick guards who could shoot the three-ball.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Canonball Found it very hard to watch the Flyers this year. The guys frequently looked listless and resigned to going through the motions. Compare that to watching Kennesaw State against X. Overmatched on talent, but they play with purpose and pop. Their program is like 5 years old. When UD seems to thrive they've got coaches and players that reflect the blue collar grit, never say die attitude of the city itself. In the meantime - Sláinte. In honor of how we all feel, go out and light a dumpster on fire!

Couldn't be closer to the truth.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by TommyGola It's a guard's game in D-1 basketball today. You need a point guard who can penetrate and dish and three other guard/forwards who shoot the three-ball. It is not complicated. We were not strong in the guard-game. We had two big studs who played their roles quite well, but we lacked a penetrating point guard and the accompanying shooters. Maybe Coach Grant knew that and thought the only way he could win games is to slow down the offense and rely on Camara and Holmes. His strategy worked to some degree, until we played the quick guards who could shoot the three-ball.

And we're never going to have it when out of 4 guards, 2 of them are 6'6 and 6'8. You can tell by his recruiting that AG has fallen in love with height over speed, quickness and ball handling.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose. Posted via Mobile Device

Who in the hell is responsible for the players?

Provost? Team bus driver with Buckeye Charter? Janitor? Guys directing traffic?

Is amazing how a guy making 1.8 million a year isn't responsible for the results.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 And we're never going to have it when out of 4 guards, 2 of them are 6'6 and 6'8. You can tell by his recruiting that AG has fallen in love with height over speed, quickness and ball handling.

I tend to agree. Look what those quick guards on Bonnie, GW, and VCU did to us. Quickness trumps height in today's D-1 basketball.

[jack72]

Anybody watch Penn St almost beat TX. They had four quality guards on the floor, and a few times five. Farleigh Dickenson had six good guards, and a 6'6 and 6'4" forwards.

[zmz723]

Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here Posted via Mobile Device

Not one, but two players.

Good coaches overcome adversity.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CoffeeCan]

But but but but look at how LONG Dayton is! They have such and advantage in height!

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here Posted via Mobile Device

You mean Xavier didn't have to rebuild for 6 years following a coaching change?

Can't wait to hear the defenders rationalize this one. Coach makes a difference or he doesn’t?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by shocka43 You mean Xavier didn't have to rebuild for 6 years following a coaching change? Can't wait to hear the defenders rationalize this one. Coach makes a difference or he doesn’t?

Dude took over there and got them to the Sweet 16 in his first year after the previous coach went 1/4 or maybe 0/4.

But it is all about the players, the coach doesn't make any difference.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.