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Old 12-12-2015, 09:28 PM
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Let's Not Sugar Coat It...

I'm still positive on the season. But this was a bad, bad HOME loss to a team that was missing its top scorer, rebounder and assit leader. So long Top 25 for the rest of the season. Back to reality... we're a good team, can still do good things in the A-10, but we are not a top 25 team. Back to work, chip on your shoulders now,
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Old 12-12-2015, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Donniex3Era View Post
I'm still positive on the season. But this was a bad, bad HOME loss to a team that was missing its top scorer, rebounder and assit leader. So long Top 25 for the rest of the season. Back to reality... we're a good team, can still do good things in the A-10, but we are not a top 25 team. Back to work, chip on your shoulders now,
show progression as the season goes on and we'll be alright
Progression to me will be seeing #21 back on the court, he was certainly missed tonight. And with him we probably are a top 25 team.
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I said in another thread, with Pierre we can be a special team, without I am not sure. I think Once we get him back things will fall together. His leadership is something we are missing. we are still in good shape on the season as long as we win these next three and avoid bad losses. Going into conference play at 10-2 is not bad especially considering two losses against quality opponents without your senior leader. From there, we shall see.
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With how bad they were at 3s last night, why not at least put Mikesell in to try to generate some offense?
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2 View Post
With how bad they were at 3s last night, why not at least put Mikesell in to try to generate some offense?
Well, match ups would have been an issue last night as well, with UTC having smaller, faster guys on the perimeter. Still, since last night's result was a loss anyway, what would it have hurt to stick him in for 3-5 minutes, to see what he could do?
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Well, match ups would have been an issue last night as well, with UTC having smaller, faster guys on the perimeter. Still, since last night's result was a loss anyway, what would it have hurt to stick him in for 3-5 minutes, to see what he could do?
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I agree with you. We had no shooters last night and it was costly. Since we couldn't defend the guards anyway, what difference would it have made?
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With how bad they were at 3s last night, why not at least put Mikesell in to try to generate some offense?


Mikesell cant guard the dribble drive. At all. Until he can defend, he wont see the floor. It is unfortunate, because we could certainly use his stroke from 3.
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So if Mikesell would have played ten minutes and hit three 3's, how many points additional points do you think UTC would have scored? We only scored 59 points against a low major; and we would have only need one three pointer from Mikesell to win.

Ryan Miller dropped the ball on this one...both in strategy and in his post game comments. What is 59 points against a low major??????????
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Hopefully coach Miller waste no time and immediately goes to the erroneously and falsely, and un-fairly treated, Dyshawn Pierre for immediate offensive help. Otherwise UD will not be finishing in the top three of the A-10.
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Old 12-13-2015, 09:52 AM
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The answer is not Mikesell. (Maybe a year from now). If Cooke & Scooch attack the rim like Pollard, it's a different game. Baby D seems to have left his "attack the rim" game in preseason also.....
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Who's Ryan Miller? Archie Mikesell's half brother?

Viperstick is right. Chat's a good team and it was not a trap game. They simply out played us.
And one could feel it coming when one sports talking head said all Dayton has to do is beat Chattanooga and they will replace Vandy in the top 25. For years we have not gotten over this glass ceiling where two wins in a row will put us in the top 25 and keep us there.

Archie got what he facetiously pointed out, that we are better off hungry. A whole week before Furman---yuk.
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I was debunking Flyer fanfan4life comment. Scooch, cooke, and pollard can't carry UD to the ncaa without some offensive help.
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I said in another thread, with Pierre we can be a special team, without I am not sure. I think Once we get him back things will fall together. His leadership is something we are missing. we are still in good shape on the season as long as we win these next three and avoid bad losses. Going into conference play at 10-2 is not bad especially considering two losses against quality opponents without your senior leader. From there, we shall see.
This team has a great group of players, but does not have leader on the court. Scoochie is supposed to be that person, but last night he was not. In the second half he kept looking at the bench for help, direction, answers, . . . He did not know what to do. In addition, KP nearly won the game single handedly by continuing to drive to the basket and getting fouled, only to miss the foul shots. Who else was driving the lane? Where was Scoochie when KP was ready to go to the line. He should have been encouraging Kendall every time. Instead, he was looking to Archie for help. This team needs DP this year for several reasons, most importantly leadership. Without him we still will win 20 games and will probably make the dance, only to bow out early.
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So if Mikesell would have played ten minutes and hit three 3's, how many points additional points do you think UTC would have scored? We only scored 59 points against a low major; and we would have only need one three pointer from Mikesell to win.

Ryan Miller dropped the ball on this one...both in strategy and in his post game comments. What is 59 points against a low major??????????
No.
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Mid-Major. And, don't look in the mirror, but..
They may've run us out of our own house with their starting pg, who is their best player.

I agree with the rest. Seems we're missing coaching opportunities by not playing RM against teams we should beat.

I imagine the team will feel the RAM over this loss
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Just make free throws and we win the game for heaven's sake.
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with Pollard, Steve and Kyle on the floor together the Flyers do not have the shooting to space the floor. DD has been poor except for a few minutes against Vandy (he has a bad +/-). Pierre is really starting to be missed.

KP is by far the lowest +/- of the starters this year. He has not rebounded or defended well and he may have scored 20 points but he used an extremely high number of the possessions.
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Part of that KP action can be attributed to him looking around and seeing no one else getting the job done or even taking the initiative. At least he tried and his fg shooting % isn't hateful. Just 3/4 more made free throws and we avoid the loss on a night that otherwise sucked.
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if you are not an effiicient scorer, the defense wins if that player is using a lot of offensive possessions.
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I Must Disagree with Sea Bass on Two Points

1. KP is the swag of this team. He plays both offense and defense very well. He had a
mismatch against Chattanooga that he and Archie exploited.
2. RM will play more minutes when his "D" catches up with his "O". Archie would be doing the
Freshman a great disservice if he treated him otherwise.
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Did anybody else catch Kyle Davis seem to deliberately use his left foot to stomp on the hand/fingers of the Chattanooga player when the Chat player was on the floor on his chest after the Chat player drove the lane in the second half. Kyle and the Chat player sort of got tied up and the Chat player ended up on his chest. Sorry, but it looked like a pretty dirty play. I guess the refs missed it. If the refs had caught that, I think that Kyle would have gotten a technical foul and possibly been thrown out of the game.
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I didn't know which of the 5 threads about last nights game to post this in but let me preface this post by saying that I LOVE archie and everythings hes done for the university.

I do however have questions about his lineups at times this year. We've been in a lot of close games this year and hes gone to lineups without a starter in the lineup for good 3 or 4 minute stretches. Im all in for getting these freshman playing time but I think we need to mix them in with the starters. If im Archie there would never be a minute this whole year where I don't have either scoochie, cooke, or pollard in just for some offense. I look at some of these lineups at times and Im wondering who's going to be able to score the ball?
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I hate to say it, but Scoochie is already playing too many minutes, and it is beginning to show in his play. I am all for giving Crosby more minutes and see if he can spell Scoochie more effectively. These two are the only true PGs on the team and when one of them is not in the game, the offense sputters.
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Many times, if 1 player comes in, while the team is slumping offensively, and makes a bucket or 2, it just seems to break the ice and picks the whole team up. Do I put Mikesell in for 10 minutes? No, but a couple of minutes to see if he provide some offense? Yes.
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Many times, if 1 player comes in, while the team is slumping offensively, and makes a bucket or 2, it just seems to break the ice and picks the whole team up. Do I put Mikesell in for 10 minutes? No, but a couple of minutes to see if he provide some offense? Yes.
Agreed. When we have close to no offense, why not?

Plus is key guys are in while Mikesell is in - can't they hide his weakness for a few minutes? .

With Mikesell I'd have cooke, Steve , Scooch, and Pollard in. That's a pretty good D Squad in. Or Kyle for Cooke.
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KP is by far the lowest +/- of the starters this year.
I've highlighted the above to correct you.

For the year, KP has a 3.333 +/-, with a per40 of 5.122.

KD has a 3.111 +/-, with a per40 of 5.082.

So, KP isn't "by far" the lowest of the starters. Both KP and KD are 5-6 points behind in +/- and per40 from the other 3 starters. (SMc 10.667/19.728, CCo 10.444/13.540, SSm 9.000/11.270)
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KP has not played well. There is no way around it.
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KPs Offensive Rating is 101.2, lowest of the starters. Scoochie is the highest at 120.8 Charles is next at 113.6

KPs defensive rating is 96.3, same as Kyle and Scoochie. Steve far and away has the highest defensive rating at 88.7

Basically the don't play well on offense without Scooch and their defense is exceptional when Steve is on the floor.

DD has been a disaster, ORtg of 92.6 and DRtg of 99.6

That was a really dumb foul committed at the end of the game.
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His ORtg and DRtg tell a different story. The numbers don't lie as they simply are points per 100 possesions when on the floor. Game to game they may not be definitive but after 9 games they are very paint an accurate picture. The bench players getting minutes are a disaster except for XW.

Kendall also has the lowest TS% of all of the starters.
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Those who expected Kendall to take a quantum leap in performance this season are going to be a bit disappointed. But his numbers just aren't far off of last season. What he misses is Dyshawn as a wing man.

Kendall is getting a lot of focus from the defense which was shared with Pierre last season. I think his game will benefit from Pierre's return.

Pollard is a lot like Medicare, you may not like it, but think where we would be without it.

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KPs ORtg last year was not good last year. The key is really the difference between a players ORtg and DRtg. Scoochie has a spread of 24 and Charles of 17, Steve 14, Kyle 10 and Kendall 5.

BTW, the difference between KPs ratings last year was 5. Jordan led the team last year with a difference of 23, DP was second with a difference of 17, Kyle was 16, Scoochie was 6.
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When the offense is dead I say let RM in long enough to see if his shot is on. His defense can be hid that long. Everybody is weak at something. LF couldn't play D either.
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I knew things were going to be bad when the game ball got doused with beer a minute into the game and it had to be replaced. Bad omen.
I was thinking kind of the same thing......bad omen someone's glass of beer got hit and wasted by the game ball.
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I was thinking kind of the same thing......bad omen someone's glass of beer got hit and wasted by the game ball.
C'mon - It wasn't so bad. That glass was probably half empty.
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KPs Offensive Rating is 101.2, lowest of the starters. Scoochie is the highest at 120.8 Charles is next at 113.6

KPs defensive rating is 96.3, same as Kyle and Scoochie. Steve far and away has the highest defensive rating at 88.7

Basically the don't play well on offense without Scooch and their defense is exceptional when Steve is on the floor.

DD has been a disaster, ORtg of 92.6 and DRtg of 99.6

That was a really dumb foul committed at the end of the game.
So, based on those metrics, what would you suggest Archie should do with the lineup and the minutes distribution?
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We can nit-pick all the details we want, but make 70% of free throw attempts - which should not be that hard - and it's a win.

I noticed that Pollard's motion has improved. Up through last year he brought the ball far behind his head and toward his left shoulder. Now he's bringing it back only to his head and it looks straighter - a simpler better motion - but still with little results to show for it. If Pollard can get to even 2 out of 3 free throws made he'll be difficult to hold down.
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So, based on those metrics, what would you suggest Archie should do with the lineup and the minutes distribution?
Not sure it changes the minutes distribution much without Pierre. Archie is short on options. The one thing he might want to try is giving Mikesell some of DD's minutes. Mikesell has an ORtg of 135, admittedly with a small sample size. Why isn't Mikesell playing? Probably Archie is not seeing what he wants in practice because Archie has always liked using his bench.

Archie made an interesting comment on DD after the Vandy game, said the DD was not all in early in the season. It made me raise an eyebrow. Interesting to watch his minutes going forward and see what happens after the season.
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DD may be having grief related issues affecting his being able to be all in.

Clearly he has not played well.
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DD may be having grief related issues affecting his being able to be all in.

Clearly he has not played well.
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Didn't he have a grandmother or aunt pass away recently?
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One thing that has become clear is that this year the offense has been less adept at creating open three point opportunities.
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One thing that has become clear is that this year the offense has been less adept at creating open three point opportunities.
I think they are there, we just don't have confident dead eye shooter.
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Defensive issues...lack of toughness and rebounding in the paint...free throw shooting...

Those are much more concerning than the 3 ball...defense transitions into offense...we aren't doing the two most important things...defend and rebound.
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We can nit-pick all the details we want, but make 70% of free throw attempts - which should not be that hard - and it's a win.

I noticed that Pollard's motion has improved. Up through last year he brought the ball far behind his head and toward his left shoulder. Now he's bringing it back only to his head and it looks straighter - a simpler better motion - but still with little results to show for it. If Pollard can get to even 2 out of 3 free throws made he'll be difficult to hold down.
His motion is improved, but it's still not good. I noticed on a couple of attempts in the 2nd half against UTC that he had his left hand on top of the ball as he was going into his release, as if he was trying to suffocate it. If you watch good shooters, they have their "guide" hand next to the ball, not on top of it. By putting his "guide" hand on top of the ball, it's negating whatever good form he's trying to show with his "push" hand.

"Your right hand says 'Yes, yes', but your left hand says 'No, no'." Sorry if that could be misinterpreted, but KP's form is just so conflicted.
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...lack rebounding in the paint...free throw shooting...
While the beat us by 3 in rebounding, they had 7 additional "RB off FT" opportunities (they missed 5, we missed 12; this was pointed out to me in a post game discussion). I don't have the RB stats off of missed FTs, but they tend to go to the inside/defensive team.

While you can improve all parts of the game, shooting 54% from the FT line will greatly increase your chances of losing (especially when some of them are front-ends of 1&1).
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I've seen Archie shoot and his release is text book, straight from the top of his forehead. That's why he was rarely off. Once straight-line shooting is mastered then the shooter only has depth perception as his/her obstacle. I'm disappointed in the progress of our shooters in this regard. Kyle still pulls his head off to the side. You can't shoot a good % from two like that let alone three-point-land. Pollard needs to forget about rebounding his own foul shots' clanking back iron and concentrate more on shooting a soft shot just over the front of the rim. I've noticed as a whole that our freethrow form has been off as a team. I think we're rushing. I consider Scoochie to have the best form on the team.
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Defensive issues...lack of toughness and rebounding in the paint...free throw shooting...

Those are much more concerning than the 3 ball...defense transitions into offense...we aren't doing the two most important things...defend and rebound.
they only gave up 61 points in a 63 possession game, they only scored 59. Defense was not the reason they lost. KenPom has the Flyers as the 27th rated defensive team.

The issue was an inability to take care of the ball and make jump shots and free throws.

The Flyers are 11th in the country in 2 pt FG defense. They got a few bad breaks as well as a couple of blocks turned in to scrambles that led to open shots.

The play that sticks is my mind more than any other is the pass that DD floated against the press that Pryor turned into a open trey and a tie game at 46.

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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
So if Mikesell would have played ten minutes and hit three 3's, how many points additional points do you think UTC would have scored? We only scored 59 points against a low major; and we would have only need one three pointer from Mikesell to win.

Ryan Miller dropped the ball on this one...both in strategy and in his post game comments. What is 59 points against a low major??????????
Really? Archie hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt?
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they only gave up 61 points in a 63 possession game, they only scored 59. Defense was not the reason they lost. KenPom has the Flyers as the 27th rated defensive team.

The issue was an inability to take care of the ball and make jump shots and free throws.

The Flyers are 11th in the country in 2 pt FG defense. They got a few bad breaks as well as a couple of blocks turned in to scrambles that led to open shots.

The play that sticks is my mind more than any other is the pass that DD floated against the press that Pryor turned into a open trey and a tie game at 46.
Doesn't matter what they are ranked as even good teams have bad nights...UD was slow to react, slow to switch, and had a front row seat minus the buttered popcorn in watching Big Steve try single-handedly to defend the low post with swats.. You can say FT's cost them but you had a 50% FT shooter make, yes, 50% of his freebies..
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One thing that has become clear is that this year the offense has been less adept at creating open three point opportunities.
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With how bad they were at 3s last night, why not at least put Mikesell in to try to generate some offense?
Anyone else think Mikesell may redshirt??
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Doesn't matter what they are ranked as even good teams have bad nights...UD was slow to react, slow to switch, and had a front row seat minus the buttered popcorn in watching Big Steve try single-handedly to defend the low post with swats.. You can say FT's cost them but you had a 50% FT shooter make, yes, 50% of his freebies..
Well he also shot quite a few more than normal, no?
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Anyone else think Mikesell may redshirt??
99% sure that that ship has sailed, he has already played in 7 games...IIRC the limit is 10% or less or 20% or less of the season, either way, 7 games is more than 10% or 20% of 30 games.

The 10/20 thing I think is for a medical redshirt...a regular redshirt I believe requires the player to not play at all.

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Anyone else think Mikesell may redshirt??
He can't. He already played in a game. The only way he could is if there is some totally undisclosed injury preventing him from playing. That seems unlikely.
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His motion is improved, but it's still not good. I noticed on a couple of attempts in the 2nd half against UTC that he had his left hand on top of the ball as he was going into his release, as if he was trying to suffocate it. If you watch good shooters, they have their "guide" hand next to the ball, not on top of it. By putting his "guide" hand on top of the ball, it's negating whatever good form he's trying to show with his "push" hand.

"Your right hand says 'Yes, yes', but your left hand says 'No, no'." Sorry if that could be misinterpreted, but KP's form is just so conflicted.
While he has changed his form from last year, it is still not satisfactory. As long as he changed, why didn't he go all the way to "standard" form holding the ball in front of his face. I still think if Andrea Hoover is in town, AM should hire her as a special assistant/consultant to work with KP on foul shooting.
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Really? Archie hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt?
We'll know what Archie believes about Mikesell in the next 3 or 4 games. Could be he's down on DD and can get him minutes. Could be he REALLY isn't physically ready for 10 to 12 minutes of defense.

I'd like to find out on the Court some more.

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I've seen Archie shoot and his release is text book, straight from the top of his forehead. That's why he was rarely off. Once straight-line shooting is mastered then the shooter only has depth perception as his/her obstacle. I'm disappointed in the progress of our shooters in this regard. Kyle still pulls his head off to the side. You can't shoot a good % from two like that let alone three-point-land. Pollard needs to forget about rebounding his own foul shots' clanking back iron and concentrate more on shooting a soft shot just over the front of the rim. I've noticed as a whole that our freethrow form has been off as a team. I think we're rushing. I consider Scoochie to have the best form on the team.
That is how I was taught on shooting foul shots. Look at the front of the rim and concentrate on shooting the ball over front of the rim
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Archie just said on his show that he should have found minutes for Mikesell on Saturday. Talked about what a terrific person he is. ( This was in a response to a question from Larry re should anything be read into Mikesell's absence the last two games)
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It is pretty late to be teaching things that should have been done years ago in middle school.
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It is pretty late to be teaching things that should have been done years ago in middle school.
Yes...and no. Pretty late? Yes. Too late? No.

NBA HOFer Karl Malone only shot 48% from the line in his rookie season. But with the right coaching, he improved to 60% in his 2nd year, 70% in his 3rd year, and then 74% or higher for the next 5 seasons.

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Archie just said on his show that he should have found minutes for Mikesell on Saturday. Talked about what a terrific person he is. ( This was in a response to a question from Larry re should anything be read into Mikesell's absence the last two games)
Give him credit for admitting a mistake then, I guess. I think it's pretty obvious that this kid knows how to play offense, so if we need a boost on that end he should be one of the first off the bench.
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Maybe we have simply run into teams with really good free throw defense.
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they only gave up 61 points in a 63 possession game, they only scored 59. Defense was not the reason they lost. KenPom has the Flyers as the 27th rated defensive team.

The issue was an inability to take care of the ball and make jump shots and free throws.

The Flyers are 11th in the country in 2 pt FG defense. They got a few bad breaks as well as a couple of blocks turned in to scrambles that led to open shots.

The play that sticks is my mind more than any other is the pass that DD floated against the press that Pryor turned into a open trey and a tie game at 46.
They struggle guarding a ball screen or pick and roll. We get torn up on it.
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Well he also shot quite a few more than normal, no?
Can't blame him for being aggressive can you with others NOT taking the ball to the hoop? I'd never, and hope AM never does either, tell KP to stop being the player he is when the match-ups favored KP almost the entire game like it did saturday night..

They lost that game giving up way too many drives to the bucket not getting off screens and switching off...
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In his radio show, Archie said if you shoot like they did from the arc and the line, you better do everything else perfect. Obviously they did not.
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Yes, I thought we would beat Chattanooga.

However, if you had asked me at the beginning of the season if I would be happy with a 7-2 record, including wins over Iowa and at Vanderbilt, with Pierre being out, then I would have said yes.

We are still in good shape. Other than making the NCAA tournament again, it would be nice to get ranked this year for longer than a week or so, that would be a nice feather in the cap.

It has been ages since UD made the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row.
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As a matter of fact, UD has only made the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row, once in the entire history of the program.

1965, 1966, and 1967.

Archie is going to be on everyone's short list of targeted coaches this off-season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton...nament_results

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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Yes...and no. Pretty late? Yes. Too late? No.

NBA HOFer Karl Malone only shot 48% from the line in his rookie season. But with the right coaching, he improved to 60% in his 2nd year, 70% in his 3rd year, and then 74% or higher for the next 5 seasons.

So it can be done. The questions are:
Will it be done? And, if so,
When?
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It can be done. But rebuilding your shooting mechanics is something usually done during the off-season. It requires time and repetition. I don't mind so much the ball being above his head. It's his left hand that is screwing it up, and imparting off-rotation of the ball. Instead of spinning backwards off his right fingertips, his left hand is causing it to go off kilter, instead of just guiding the ball.
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They struggle guarding a ball screen or pick and roll. We get torn up on it.
Archie spoke about guarding that play and said Steve needs to improve in that area. I think Steve is not the only one having trouble there.

I know that the UD staff has work hard with Kendall's shooting form ever since he stepped on campus. Archie said he tracks his shots in practice and it is 75%. The problem with Kendall is his form and technique. It is very hard to unlearn old bad habits. Saturday, Kendall seemed to return to his old style under pressure.
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Yes, I thought we would beat Chattanooga.

However, if you had asked me at the beginning of the season if I would be happy with a 7-2 record, including wins over Iowa and at Vanderbilt, with Pierre being out, then I would have said yes.

We are still in good shape. Other than making the NCAA tournament again, it would be nice to get ranked this year for longer than a week or so, that would be a nice feather in the cap.

It has been ages since UD made the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row.
'65,66 and 67 to be exact.
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The jury is out. We can't stumble again.

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Yes, I thought we would beat Chattanooga.

However, if you had asked me at the beginning of the season if I would be happy with a 7-2 record, including wins over Iowa and at Vanderbilt, with Pierre being out, then I would have said yes.

We are still in good shape. Other than making the NCAA tournament again, it would be nice to get ranked this year for longer than a week or so, that would be a nice feather in the cap.

It has been ages since UD made the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row.

This finish to the OOC is extremely important. We should be favored at home in all three games. But we were favored in the last four games and we all know how that started out Saturday. We are not a team that can just show up. We have to bring it. Especially because we start the A10 with 2 of 3 away games. Critical 6 game stretch ahead of us.
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As a matter of fact, UD has only made the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row, once in the entire history of the program.

1965, 1966, and 1967.

Archie is going to be on everyone's short list of targeted coaches this off-season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton...nament_results
I would be ecstatic if Dayton makes 3 straight again and the third year has a similar, or better result as they had in the third year last time. Does that make sense?
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I would be ecstatic if Dayton makes 3 straight again and the third year has a similar, or better result as they had in the third year last time. Does that make sense?
Perfect sense! Dayton Flyers NCAA Champions! Yeah!
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