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Old 12-15-2012, 11:08 PM
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Illinois State Game Thread

The game on Wednesday starts the 3 game stretch of big-time tests... Illinois State is a very good team... One of the highest scoring teams in the country (Going into Saturday, they were averaging about 81 a game, 15th in the country)

They have 2 scorers averaging at least 17 a game, (Carmichael 17.6 & Brown 17.5)

Potential Starting Lineup:

G 2 Bryant Allen 6’0” 180 JR Maplewood, Missouri
G 44 Johnny Hill 6’3” 180 SO Glendale Heights, Illinois
G 1 Tyler Brown 6’4” 185 SR Owensboro, Kentucky
F 22 Jon Ekey 6’7” 220 JR Independence, Missouri
C 32 Jackie Carmichael 6’9” 240 SR Manhattan, Kansas

If we play like how we have in the last 3, we will be just fine... Go Flyers!

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G: Kaza Keane, Fr, 6'1", 185 lbs, 5.2 APG leads the team, 3.7 PPG, bad shooter (14% FT, 36% FT)
F: Jon Wilkins, Sr, 6'9", 230 lbs, 5.6 PPG, 3.2 RPG, Soft European Big, will shoot the 3
G: Nick Zeisloft, Fr, 6'4", 185 lbs, 5.1 PPG, 1.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, 48% 3pt, 25% FT
C: Jordan Threloff, So, 6'10", 255 lbs, 3.6 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 0.2 BPG, raw big, should have trobke with our athletic bigs
G: Geoffrey Allen, So, 6'6", 180 lbs, 3.5 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 0.7 APG, 3 of 5 3pt, 0-5 FT than year

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•Brown (6.3) and Allen (4.8) will take the makority of their 3 point attempts
•Carmichael is their only genuine imposing post presence. The other guys either like to play outside or are very raw. If he gets in foul trouble it is a huge dropoff.
•They get 9 steals a game, but also give up 15 TO a game. Given that and their high scoring (12th in NCAA), high assists (7th) and FG% (8th), I think they will push a very frenetic pace. 10 guys get 8+ MPG
•Carmichael's 7.3 RPG and 2.3 BPG along with his veteran leadership will be important to contain. This team plays on his and Allen's backs.
•With how thin they are in the post and how well Carmichael plays around the rim, I expect we'll see a lot of zone defense. Vee and Derenbecker may get a lot of open 3 pt looks.
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For those of you in the chicago area or with access to some sort of sports package, this game is being carried by Comcast Sportsnet-Chicago. Just noticed it on my program guide.
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Starting Lineups:

ISU: Allen, Hill, Brown, Ekey & Carmichael
UD: Dillard, Sanford, Pierre, Oliver & Benson

The two matchups to watch... JB vs. Carmichael... Can Vee defend Mr. Brown?
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as expected , very fastpaced!

gotta limit turnovers, and fouls
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The game is close because they are shooting poorly and we are rebounding very well.
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Too many threes by us and too many missed point blank.
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down 11-8 and could easily be 18-8.
they have us out of sync.
on offense, as well as defense.

Let's own this guys. Go UD!
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Derenbeckers' second shot inside the arc. No way
Missed the drive but going to the line!
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flyers have no answer for their big men...could be a long night
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This team can be so frustrating to watch--get a TO and then they turn it over and then Carmichael with a 3 points
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don't think we've played a team that goes pell mell like this!

gotta get em out of our heads and jockstraps.

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WOW, on a pace for >25 TO's
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flyers have no answer for their big men...could be a long night
Why is it that other teams don't have an answer for UD's big men?
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Our ball-handling is atrocious so far. Josh needs to be far less lackadaisical with ball. This game feels very much like the Weber State game so far.
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We just struggle with these scoring drouths.
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This is like watching BG's teams shooting 3's
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 View Post
flyers have no answer for their big men...could be a long night

YEP. Looks their guards have two guidelines.

1. Run it
2. find the big men down low


And 3) create havoc D against UD offense
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Archie needs to go to a zone immediately. We cannot defend this team inside.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Scott in there to see if he can slow down Carmichael. None of the interior players so far managed to do it.
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This is like watching BG's teams shooting 3's
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Need to shoot better than 50% from the FT line
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time to go zone...lot of players in foul trouble
Do we possess Zone capability.?
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Alex fouled him 3 times before they called it
Yeah, but the ref closest to the play never called it
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Do we possess Zone capability.?
i would hope archie works on it a bit every practice...gotta have it in the tool bag
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We are way, way too quick in shooting the ball from three-land. Price shot that ball from nearly 30 feet a couple of ticks into the shot clock. No reason to do that.
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That was awesome by Pierre
Disagree, that was playground crap that happened to work. D1 college basketball is not 25 dribbles, 3 spin moves, twice through the legs, pump fake, and shoot it while 4 other guys stand and watch.
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their big guys just man handle our bigs. just bigger and stronger than benson, gavs, and robinson
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We look like crap

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Up and down we go... UD down 6... entertaining game so far, even though it has been sloppy
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agreed Gazoo.. NOt in flow of our offense.

however there is no flow tonight.


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Up and down we go... UD down 6... entertaining game so far, even though it has been sloppy
Get it down to 4 and then in a split second it's back to 8
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we just gotta keep this close and regroup during halftime
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ISU shooting 80 % inside the arc.
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Disagree, that was playground crap that happened to work. D1 college basketball is not 25 dribbles, 3 spin moves, twice through the legs, pump fake, and shoot it while 4 other guys stand and watch.
When was the last time we had wings that could do that?
I agree this was not textbook team basketball, but it is nice to see a UD wing that can handle the ball this well.
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Worst call all year. Price beat him to the spot.
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Terrible call on Price! We took a shot in the gut in the first half and came back now the first 3-4 minutes of the 2nd half will tell us a lot.
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All things considered, I'm glad it's only a two point game. We looked better toward the end of the half. We cut down on the turnovers, and started making some shots. Let's hope we come out sharper in the second half.
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Need to shoot better than 50% from the FT line
Fixed that one for you-- 75% at half.
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No turnovers in the last 9 minutes, that got us back in the game.

X up by 2 on UC at the half.
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How bad must Devon Scott be doing in practice--4 front court guys with 2 fouls each and he doesn't see the floor until there are like 10 seconds left.
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How bad must Devon Scott be doing in practice--4 front court guys with 2 fouls each and he doesn't see the floor until there are like 10 seconds left.
I have watched Devon Scott since the pre-season and I have been impressed with him, including on the defensive end. He surely looks like he is in Archie's doghouse for something.
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How bad must Devon Scott be doing in practice--4 front court guys with 2 fouls each and he doesn't see the floor until there are like 10 seconds left.
yeah...thats kind of scary to think about. if anything hes a bit bigger/more broad shouldered, could at least put a body on carmichael
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ISU made more free throws (9) than we got to shoot (8). That's got to change.

Plus they shoot 70 % from the field inside the arc. That's really got to change.

All things considered, we should be ok if we play just a tad better in the second half.
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Oliver needs to own this half after laying an egg in the first half.
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No turnovers in the last 9 minutes, that got us back in the game.

X up by 2 on UC at the half.
And they have 4 at the 16 minute TO this half
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Wow, either ISU is a superb defensive team or we just struggle with the ball.
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wow...dude throws a bow and no call...these refs are trash
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Why would it not surprise me if there was a flagrant elbow and yet no foul called on the play by Carstensens?
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These refs are absolutely horrible
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Nice little elbow the refs missed.
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Nice little elbow the refs missed.
ref was standing right there too...had to be blind as a bat to miss it
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Tied at 54.
If they keep playing zone I think we will be in good shape.
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Devon Oliver needs to be on the bench
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I think Josh's game is at 19 feet. No matter where he shoots from, the ball goes 19ft.
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