NIT, CBI, and CIT tournaments

[ud2]

It was announced on March 9, 2017 that the Vegas 16 tournament would not be held in 2017.


NIT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...ion_Tournament

Richmond is a 6 seed, the only A10 team.

Akron is a 7 seed, the only Ohio team.

Looks like Ohio State declined an invite. That is too bad, they could probably use the extra games and extra practice time to improve.



CBI

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...l_Invitational

George Mason and George Washington participating.



CIT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...son_Tournament

No A10 teams

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[ud2]

Actually, OSU was not invited to play in the NIT.


http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/03..._nit_sele.html:



Asked which two teams were on the outside of the 32-team field, NIT chairman Reggie Minton listed Ohio State and UNC-Asheville.

Minton added that no teams turned down an NIT invitation this year.

An OSU spokesperson told cleveland.com that Ohio State would have accepted a bid had the Buckeyes been invited.

[xubrew]

Not a fan of the CBI, but I really do enjoy the NIT and CIT. The CIT used to be a 32 team field, and I wish it still was. The entire CIT will be streamed here.. They determine the match-ups each round, so it isn't bracketed.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tourna...le-results.php

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ud2 NIT https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...ion_Tournament Looks like Ohio State declined an invite.

Nope. tOSU wasn't invited. The NIT Chair was interviewed last night and said OSU's resume was lacking an NIT bid. I kid you not!

Plus, since the NCAA bought the NIT a few years ago, I don't believe you are allowed to decline an invite. You are assigned a game and you will play. Which is exactly as it should be.

[CE80]

Who is coaching Illinois in the NIT?

[ud2]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/03..._nit_sele.html:



"Thad Matta said after Ohio State basketball was bounced from the Big Ten Tournament by Rutgers that he wasn't sure if the Buckeyes would accept a bid to the National Invitation Tournament."



After hearing the above, the NCAA might have deliberately chosen to not give OSU a NIT bid. I think Matta should not have said that, that may have ticked off the NCAA.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/03..._nit_sele.html: "Thad Matta said after Ohio State basketball was bounced from the Big Ten Tournament by Rutgers that he wasn't sure if the Buckeyes would accept a bid to the National Invitation Tournament." After hearing the above, the NCAA might have deliberately chosen to not give OSU a NIT bid. I think Matta should not have said that, that may have ticked off the NCAA.

I think the more likely scenario would be the NIT committee would have gone out of their way to invite tOSU just to see what Matta and tOSU would have said then. Either way we may have more followers now in the NCAA tourney.

[Smitty10]

Richmond a 6 seed? So the A10 gets no respect in the NIT. I would love to wager on their games. However, with the NIT, you never know which teams are so disappointed they just go through the motions. We've seen that with the Flyers over the years.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[frisco flyer]

The NCAA runs the NIT, and turning them down isn't as easy or as common as it used to be. If North Carolina can accept an invitation to the NIT, so can tOSU and everyone else. Thad's comments about the NIT are dead wrong, and they betray his arrogant musty roots.

[Browns]

Didn't LSU decline an NIT invitation just last year? I don't think any team in obligated to participate in a post season tournament.

[rollo]

C.M. Newton, NIT Selection member:

"The rule is, if they turn down (the NIT), they turn it down at the start of the year," Newton said Saturday. "Quite frankly, I don't know of any school" that has declared it will not play in the NIT. When asked if teams were obligated to play in the NIT, Newton said, "Yeah. Unless they let you know (otherwise at the beginning of the season)."

So it appears that if you're invited to play in the NIT, you must accept. The only way 'out' is to tell the NCAA in November you won't play.

As for LSU, it appears they didn't turn down an NIT offer...instead they simply announced they wouldn't play in any post season tournament before bids were offered. Which, I know, goes against what Newton says above...but LSU's (Ben Simmons admittedly not going to class) situation last season was unique and an embarrassment to the NCAA and LSU so maybe an exception was made.

[ud2]

Interesting experimental rules will be in use during the NIT.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...rimental_rules:

Experimental rules

In February 2017, the NCAA approved a number of experimental rule changes for use in this tournament:[2]

Team fouls will be reset to zero at the 10:00 mark of each half. This effectively divides the game into quarters for purposes of team fouls.

The "one-and-one" foul shot will disappear from the game. Instead, starting with the fifth total foul in each 10-minute period, non-shooting fouls by the defensive team will result in two free throws, with the only exception being administrative technical fouls. This mirrors foul counting in NCAA women's basketball, which has been played in quarters since the 2015–16 season.

In a feature unique in the college game, but similar to that used by the NBA and WNBA, overtime will be considered a separate period for purposes of accumulating team fouls. The team foul limit will be three per overtime period, with all non-shooting team fouls thereafter by the defense resulting in two free throws.

The shot clock will be reset to 20 seconds when the ball is inbounded in the frontcourt.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 The shot clock will be reset to 20 seconds when the ball is inbounded in the frontcourt.

What does this mean?

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer What does this mean?

Rollo, could you please help me with this? Thanks.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ud2 Rollo, could you please help me with this? Thanks.

Assume Team A scores...Team B gets 30 seconds once they get the ball inbounds to take a shot. Of that 30, Team B can use 10 seconds to get the ball over midcourt....which leaves them with 20 seconds in the frontcourt.

Therefore, when inbounding a ball in the frontcourt, the NIT rule basically takes away the 10 seconds given to get the ball over midcourt because that it's no longer necessary.

30 - 10 = 20.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Assume Team A scores...Team B gets 30 seconds once they get the ball inbounds to take a shot. Of that 30, Team B can use 10 seconds to get the ball over midcourt....which leaves them with 20 seconds in the frontcourt. Therefore, when inbounding a ball in the frontcourt, the NIT rule basically takes away the 10 seconds given to get the ball over midcourt because that it's no longer necessary. 30 - 10 = 20.

So more like the NBA by continuing to shorten the shot clock so that the game becomes more of a one on one game and the super stars can shine. I don't like it.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer So more like the NBA by continuing to shorten the shot clock so that the game becomes more of a one on one game and the super stars can shine. I don't like it.

As an official, what do you do when the ball is inbounded from the frontcourt to the backcourt? Is there still a 10-second count? I assume yes.

Whatever...it's just a way to increase scoring opportunities. As long as both teams play with it, no harm done.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by rollo Assume Team A scores...Team B gets 30 seconds once they get the ball inbounds to take a shot. Of that 30, Team B can use 10 seconds to get the ball over midcourt....which leaves them with 20 seconds in the frontcourt. Therefore, when inbounding a ball in the frontcourt, the NIT rule basically takes away the 10 seconds given to get the ball over midcourt because that it's no longer necessary. 30 - 10 = 20.

Isn't the ball always inbounded in the backcourt though? When is the ball ever inbounded in the frontcourt?

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ud2 Isn't the ball always inbounded in the backcourt though? When is the ball ever inbounded in the frontcourt?

Jumpball under the basket...maybe an offensive rebound...

[CE80]

Originally Posted by rollo Jumpball under the basket...maybe an offensive rebound...

Foul before shooting?
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[rollo]

Originally Posted by CE80 Foul before shooting? Posted via Mobile Device

The shot clock doesn't reset on a foul. The new 20-sec clock is only used when it's reset, which isn't often.

[UDDoug]

Inbounds in the front court happen all the time. Pass deflected out of bounds by the defense. Blocked shot goes out of bounds. Non-shooting defensive foul. Timeouts.

Not sure which of those, or if all of those, they are resetting to 20 seconds. Sure doesn't feel appropriate to reset the clock to 20 seconds if someone drives to the hoop in a late shot clock high pick and roll, and the defense knocks a dump off pass out of bounds or blocks a shot out of bounds with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Perhaps it's just to reduce time if more than 20 seconds, or after a non-shooting foul.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by rollo The shot clock doesn't reset on a foul. The new 20-sec clock is only used when it's reset, which isn't often.

The shot clock doesn't reset on a defensive foul?

[NorthwestFlyer]

I think you have to remember, that the shot clock begins to run at the beginning of a possession, a lot of what you mentioned is not a change in possession, therefore the shot clock picks up where it left off.

Surprised the Bonnies didn't show up in CBI, they lacked quality wins, but I think they have the chops to get a few games in either the CBI or NIT for that matter.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by rollo The shot clock doesn't reset on a foul.

Wait, what? I am pretty sure during the A10 tournament the shot clock was reset on a defensive non-shooting foul. Are the A10 officials doing something wrong?

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Wait, what? I am pretty sure during the A10 tournament the shot clock was reset on a defensive non-shooting foul. Are the A10 officials doing something wrong?

I knew those A10 officials didn't know what they were doing. Just one more reason why we need to be in the BE.

[BRob2Perryman3]

They should remain these Tournaments, "The Boeheim Invitational" The Orange Bracket" and "Carrier Dome Classic"

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer I think you have to remember, that the shot clock begins to run at the beginning of a possession, a lot of what you mentioned is not a change in possession, therefore the shot clock picks up where it left off. Surprised the Bonnies didn't show up in CBI, they lacked quality wins, but I think they have the chops to get a few games in either the CBI or NIT for that matter.

It doesn't reset currently on most of those. Defensive non-shooting fouls reset to 30 and kicked balls under 15 reset to 15. I have no idea what they are doing with the expiremrntal rules. If I had to guess they are only resetting those two to 20. But I have not seen anything that explains it.
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[Smitty10]

So the NIT has become the new testing ground for new rules that will make future college basketball look like the NBA. How exciting for participating teams to be invited to such a prestigious experiment.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by CE80 I knew those A10 officials didn't know what they were doing. Just one more reason why we need to be in the BE.

No such thing as "A-10" officials. Officials work for many conferences, including the NBE, SEC, ACC, MAAC, and others.

[ud2]

NIT results...

Richmond wins at Alabama, 71-64

Akron wins at Houston, 78-75



CBI results...

Loyola of Maryland wins at George Mason, 73-58...1,400 in attendance

Toledo loses at GW, 73-69...1,016 in attendance.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

3 seed Indiana falls at 6 seed Georgia Tech, 75-63, in the NIT.

^Indiana AD Fred Glass declined to host a home game at Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall citing concern it would "devalue it"




I have never heard that before. The IU AD did not want to devalue Assembly Hall, so he declined to host a NIT game. So, I guess hosting a NIT game is beneath IU. That is interesting.

[ud2]

The official reason for IU declining to host the NIT game has shifted from the arena being under renovations to the students being on Spring Break to not wanting to devalue Assembly Hall.



http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/3/...hall-tom-crean:


“Assembly Hall is iconic,” said Glass. “You’ve gotta be careful not to devalue it.”


The comments are interesting, as Indiana has hosted NIT games in the past. The comments are also intriguing because of the nature of some of the home games Indiana has already hosted this season.

Games at home against Houston Baptist, Southeast Missouri, and Mississippi Valley State make for a fun argument against the value of an NIT game.

[CE80]

Indiana didn't want to show up on TV playing in front of a nearly empty home arena with the few people there booing Crean.

[UDTradition]

Can UD sneak into the NIT as a late add...at least they'll get a win or 2 ?

[ud2]

The NIT Championship is tomorrow, Georgia Tech vs. TCU.

Josh Pastner gets GT to the NIT Championship in his first year there.

Akron lost in the 2nd round at Texas Arlington.

Richmond lost in the 3rd round at TCU.



GW lost in the 2nd round of the CBI at UIC.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[DallasFlyer]

Darn it! I came here hoping this was a coaching thread too so I could match UD's candidates to their ceilings.

Kidding (mostly).

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by ud2 Josh Pastner gets GT to the NIT Championship in his first year there.

That's gotta be rough for BG.