Long term implications for college sports from Covid-19

[Runnin' Rebel]

Seems we need some optimism on his board, so I'll try...

Nationally, every single indicator was down last week:

Deaths
8/18 - 1,184
8/11 - 1,318

Cases
8/18 - 39,449
8/11 - 54,967

Hospitalizations
8/18 - 43,341
8/11 - 48,054

Positive %
8/18 - 6%
8/11 - 7.5%

Also, here are the 7 day average of new Covid cases in Ohio:

7/27 - 1,287
8/3 - 1,258
8/10 - 1,107
8/17 - 1,046

and the last 3 days have all been under 1,000 new cases.

I'm pretty sure that if the country can handle millions protesting (with no social distancing) over the last 2 months... it can also handle the kids back on campus and back in sports competitions.

[BeckysTXA]

Here is the link to UD campus cases. Good job by UD to post this so their stakeholders will be informed. Last thing people need are rumors spreading throughout campus. Currently campus is classified as Green 1 - the lowest risk classification.

https://udayton.edu/coronavirus/case_dashboard.php

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Flyerferd I think Chapel Hill has made their decision clear. It’s not much of a test. Posted via Mobile Device

I agree, no test there. That was a shutdown looking for a reason. The NC governor is singing the party song louder than anyone, that is make the Virus sound as bad as possible, and keep the state and country shutdown until after November. NC is still stuck in Phase II, almost no in-person schooling, and one of five states to not let gyms be open, no bars open, and yet our virus stats have been good to great from the start.

UNC is run by the governor's puppets. Contrast it with their neighbor, Duke, who says, "We are open and any student violating correct protocol will be suspended, put off campus and/or be permanently thrown out of Duke." You have to give these kids structure, especially for the first few weeks, which are party time.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel Seems we need some optimism on his board, so I'll try... Nationally, every single indicator was down last week: Deaths 8/18 - 1,184 8/11 - 1,318 Cases 8/18 - 39,449 8/11 - 54,967 Hospitalizations 8/18 - 43,341 8/11 - 48,054 Positive % 8/18 - 6% 8/11 - 7.5% Also, here are the 7 day average of new Covid cases in Ohio: 7/27 - 1,287 8/3 - 1,258 8/10 - 1,107 8/17 - 1,046 and the last 3 days have all been under 1,000 new cases. I'm pretty sure that if the country can handle millions protesting (with no social distancing) over the last 2 months... it can also handle the kids back on campus and back in sports competitions.

To expand on that, cases in the US have been down constantly from a seven day average of 66,690, a month ago, to 49,102. That is per the NY Times, and is 26% decrease. Deaths have decreased from a seven day average of 1,226, three weeks ago, to 1,062. That is a again a 26% decrease. The graphs are straight down with no blips.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by jack72 To expand on that, cases in the US have been down constantly from a seven day average of 66,690, a month ago, to 49,102. That is per the NY Times, and is 26% decrease. Deaths have decreased from a seven day average of 1,226, three weeks ago, to 1,062. That is a again a 26% decrease. The graphs are straight down with no blips.

And to celebrate all that positive news, UNC, ND and MSU have gone to virtual only classes.

[hawkoooo]

Gonzaga and Baylor just scheduled an OOC game. Zags lost 3 games with Pac12 opponents. This idea of local or regional bubbles is catching on. I heard the example of Nashville where 3 schools are in walking distance (Lipscomb, Belmont and Vanderbilt). If you did 2-3 "pods" of this size you could fill out most of a non conference slate.

Maybe an all-Ohio bubble is asking a lot, but a more localized bubble could be feasible.

Cinci, X, UD, NKU, Wright St. and Miami are all located in withing 2 hours driving distance of each other.

[UDEE79]

I'll say it: play WSU this year, it doesn't have to be a long term commitment. This year is unique, to say the least.

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 I'll say it: play WSU this year, it doesn't have to be a long term commitment. This year is unique, to say the least.

Maybe we could schedule the game on MLK Day.

[ud2]

MI Dem governor Whitmer is apparently blocking a 6 team, 10 game Big Ten football schedule that Ohio State had proposed...sounds like OSU, Iowa, NE, PSU, WI, and Michigan are all on board, but they need Whitmer on board to make it all work.

https://www.outkick.com/report-michi...football-plan/

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by ud2 MI Dem governor Whitmer is apparently blocking a 6 team, 10 game Big Ten football schedule that Ohio State had proposed...sounds like OSU, Iowa, NE, PSU, WI, and Michigan are all on board, but they need Whitmer on board to make it all work. https://www.outkick.com/report-michi...football-plan/

Challenge her! This tyrant doesn’t have the power or legal authority to block anything. Time to push back against all of this illegal authoritarianism.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by ud2 MI Dem governor Whitmer is apparently blocking a 6 team, 10 game Big Ten football schedule that Ohio State had proposed...sounds like OSU, Iowa, NE, PSU, WI, and Michigan are all on board, but they need Whitmer on board to make it all work. https://www.outkick.com/report-michi...football-plan/

Screw Michigan. They had their chance. Move on. Pick up any other Big 14 team and roll with the 6 team plan. Or roll with 5 teams and only play 8 games if needed. Maybe even a disgruntled PAC 12 school would be interested in teaming up on this venture this season. Play Ball!

[ud2]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan Screw Michigan. They had their chance. Move on. Pick up any other Big 14 team and roll with the 6 team plan. Or roll with 5 teams and only play 8 games if needed. Maybe even a disgruntled PAC 12 school would be interested in teaming up on this venture this season. Play Ball!

Politically, Indiana and Purdue I assume would be on board, and I assume MD, Rutgers, NW, IL, MSU, and MN are out.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by ud2 Politically, Indiana and Purdue I assume would be on board, and I assume MD, Rutgers, NW, IL, MSU, and MN are out.

But if we go by current trends and positive case counts, Rutgers would be the best school as only 1% positive in NJ, 2% in Maryland. Of course Michigan is next best at only 2% as well, but as you said, politics.

[BeckysTXA]

Better idea...leave MI in just don’t play any home games due to the governor. Good luck getting the votes of 100,000 season ticket holders in MI when Whitman runs for re-election.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Monster Man Challenge her! This tyrant doesn’t have the power or legal authority to block anything. Time to push back against all of this illegal authoritarianism.

I agree that we should get rid of those who think it's the government's job to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies!!


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"The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people, probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick. That was a terrible situation." Donald Trump (August 2020)

[Monster Man]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I agree that we should get rid of those who think it's the government's job to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies!! -------------------------- "The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people, probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick. That was a terrible situation." Donald Trump (August 2020)

The last time I checked, abortion is legal in this country. American citizens are allowed to have differing opinions on the issue without fear of being canceled. My point is a governor does not have the legal authority to block college football games. What is your stupid point?

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by jack72 To expand on that, cases in the US have been down constantly from a seven day average of 66,690, a month ago, to 49,102. That is per the NY Times, and is 26% decrease. Deaths have decreased from a seven day average of 1,226, three weeks ago, to 1,062. That is a again a 26% decrease. The graphs are straight down with no blips.

We're just thinning the herd. In 2 years the death rate will below the long term trend, then it will all come back into the normal range.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I agree that we should get rid of those who think it's the government's job to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies!!

I agree, Mr. Biden. Diet Coke is worse than asparagus.

[jack72]

"Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski said Tuesday that he doesn't think the NCAA can afford to lose another postseason tournament, which generates more than 90% of the NCAA's annual revenue."

Krzyzewski's comments follow reports that the cancellation of the 2020 NCAA tournament cost the organization more than $375 million.

"We're the thing that the NCAA is most concerned about because men's college basketball and the tournament pays for something like ... it produces 98% or more of the money for the NCAA," Krzyzewski said on Tuesday's edition of Keyshawn, JWIll & Zubin on ESPN Radio."

[BeckysTXA]

No 2021 tournament would be a death blow. Two words...

Government bailout.

But how many colleges would survive? You can’t bail everyone out. So college sports could die. A lot of dominos would fall if there is no tournament this year. Anyone know the split on tv revenues vs ticket sales?

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA You can’t bail everyone out.

Federal reserve: "Hold my Econ book."

[CE80]

Originally Posted by jack72 "Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski said Tuesday that he doesn't think the NCAA can afford to lose another postseason tournament, which generates more than 90% of the NCAA's annual revenue." Krzyzewski's comments follow reports that the cancellation of the 2020 NCAA tournament cost the organization more than $375 million. "We're the thing that the NCAA is most concerned about because men's college basketball and the tournament pays for something like ... it produces 98% or more of the money for the NCAA," Krzyzewski said on Tuesday's edition of Keyshawn, JWIll & Zubin on ESPN Radio."

So Coach, was it right to shut down a good portion of the economy to protect the citizens of the US from the coronavirus? Because the NCAA may go bust, the NCAA basketball tournament should be held even if it puts many at risk?

I was and am not a proponent of shutting things down but I find it amusing that the economic need outweighs the risk when it comes to NCAA sports but not the economy in general.
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[BeckysTXA]

I don’t think Coach K was saying it should have been held, or it should be held in 2021. I think he was just stating college sports are in trouble if it’s not held this season at some time. The men’s tournament is everything holding this “industry” together.

It puts even more pressure on the NCAA to find a safe way to start the season, complete the season and have a tournament. I’ve said it before...we are all on vaccine-watch.

Can any business survive a two year shutdown of 98% of its revenue? I doubt it and that’s what the NCAA is facing basically in a 12-month period of time. The timing of when this all hit last March makes the NCAA situation unique.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by CE80 So Coach, was it right to shut down a good portion of the economy to protect the citizens of the US from the coronavirus? Because the NCAA may go bust, the NCAA basketball tournament should be held even if it puts many at risk? I was and am not a proponent of shutting things down but I find it amusing that the economic need outweighs the risk when it comes to NCAA sports but not the economy in general. Posted via Mobile Device

Where did he say that the tourney should be held? He was making an objective statement with no opinion of what should be done. I suspect if you asked Coach K directly he would say shut it down till it can be done safely.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Can any business survive a two year shutdown of 98% of its revenue? I doubt it and that’s what the NCAA is facing basically in a 12-month period of time. The timing of when this all hit last March makes the NCAA situation unique.

This is key. This is also precisely why UD came at the ST holders with the fine print argument that your ticket seat license is theirs regardless of a season.

You hit it. This isn't just about the NCAA as an organization. How many jobs at UD are furloughed just in athletics? How many young adults that work at UD in their mid 20's at a pretty **** financially stable university are out of work because of sports.

The long term implications are quite simply a huge reduction in UD sports, revenue, and jobs....not to mention the impact on student athletes.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by shocka43 This is key. This is also precisely why UD came at the ST holders with the fine print argument that your ticket seat license is theirs regardless of a season. You hit it. This isn't just about the NCAA as an organization. How many jobs at UD are furloughed just in athletics? How many young adults that work at UD in their mid 20's at a pretty **** financially stable university are out of work because of sports. The long term implications are quite simply a huge reduction in UD sports, revenue, and jobs....not to mention the impact on student athletes.

I’m a firm believer that the other shoe has yet to drop

[OSU Flyer]

@JonRothstein
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Source: With mid-major programs bracing for a different kind of non-conference schedule in college basketball, a big factor is the cost and availability of testing for COVID-19.

Regular tests are currently $150 each.

Saliva based tests could be as low as $10.

@JonRothstein
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The cost of testing is one of the main reasons why traditional non-conference games between power conference teams and mid-majors appear to be unlikely for the upcoming college basketball season.

[OSU Flyer]

@MattNorlander
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CBB's 2020-21 starting model will be hashed out this week + next. Meetings sked:

Wed—MBB cmte, MBB oversight cmte
Thurs—Conf. commissioners, NABC
Fri—WBB cmte, WBCA Board of Dir.
Mon—Joint oversight cmtes

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...etball-season/

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer @JonRothstein · 57m Source: With mid-major programs bracing for a different kind of non-conference schedule in college basketball, a big factor is the cost and availability of testing for COVID-19. Regular tests are currently $150 each. Saliva based tests could be as low as $10. @JonRothstein · 57m The cost of testing is one of the main reasons why traditional non-conference games between power conference teams and mid-majors appear to be unlikely for the upcoming college basketball season.

In another thread someone posted UD is handing out tests like candy??? To the level some students feel almost pressured to continue to be tested multiple times.

[BeckysTXA]

FDA just approved a $5 rapid test where you can get results to your cell phone. A medical person has to administer it (not home test) but that can be a nurse practitioner. Abbott labs product. Could be a game changer for sports teams that need to test multiple times a week with immediate results. Costs just when way down.

[Flyerferd]

Ivy league cancels winter season.
https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/the-ivy...-to-do-so.html
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[cj]

First Four being moved from Dayton this season.

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by cj First Four being moved from Dayton this season.

Indy is in negotiations to host ALL rounds.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ss/6311740002/

[Figgie123]

Let's just wait to see if any games get played or if we even get close to 27. Izzo and Boeheim tested positive and at least 6 schools have halted team activities. Iona, Siena , Vermont (thru 12/18), Winthrop, Youngstown State (cancelled 11/25 thru 11/28 games) and Loyola Chicago.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Let's just wait to see if any games get played or if we even get close to 27. Izzo and Boeheim tested positive and at least 6 schools have halted team activities. Iona, Siena , Vermont (thru 12/18), Winthrop, Youngstown State (cancelled 11/25 thru 11/28 games) and Loyola Chicago.

Add Delaware and Massachusetts who have halted activities. And New Mexico State is moving to Phoenix Arizona to get ready for the year.

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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Let's just wait to see if any games get played or if we even get close to 27. Izzo and Boeheim tested positive and at least 6 schools have halted team activities. Iona, Siena , Vermont (thru 12/18), Winthrop, Youngstown State (cancelled 11/25 thru 11/28 games) and Loyola Chicago.

Vermont is going conference only for their schedule