BG breaks the silence about job opportunities...

[MD Flyer Pride]

Thanks to Doug Harris and Arch for these two DDN articles....

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...s-1119831.html

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...t-1119812.html

From the article, BG states...
“Have other schools contacted me about their open head-coaching positions? Yes. But I’m not going to mention or name the schools,” Gregory said. “They contacted me in confidence, and I’m not going to break that confidential agreement by talking about it.

“As of right now, I don’t have an offer. I haven’t accepted a job to be head coach anywhere. ... (These schools) also know, as these situations have come up in the past, how I feel about Dayton and the special program we’re building here.”

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[lilrudy4787]

cant trust a word in this article, all media posturing and coach speak

thanks for nothing doogie.

[THirt]

Interesting to read the contrast in the two articles (and also the potshot at eggsavier - nice work Arch!).

Harris seemed to imply that he was staying, Arch that he was leaving if the opportunity arose.

Hmm.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[backtolife]

"like sands of the hourglass... so our the days of our lives"

-Bill and Ted circa 1990?

[AC91]

Originally Posted by backtolife "like sands of the hourglass... so our the days of our lives" -Bill and Ted circa 1990?

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

[Tony T 71]

Based on that info I would up his chances of leaving from the 10% I thought to a solid 50% that he finds another job. That means 50% of the board will be happy.

[longtimefan]

How many agree that UD will not bring in the same kind of academically-at-risk players that some of our competition in the A-10 does? I could name several who will say it is nonsense, but Arch feels there is something to it. I know this was almost 30 year ago, but that is the very reason we passed on Ron Harper. I'm still ticked off about that.

[smitch425]

that they are holding a team meeting tomorrow. So maybe there will be an official announcement of some sort shortly.

[AC91]

Originally Posted by longtimefan How many agree that UD will not bring in the same kind of academically-at-risk players that some of our competition in the A-10 does? I could name several who will say it is nonsense, but Arch feels there is something to it. I know this was almost 30 year ago, but that is the very reason we passed on Ron Harper. I'm still ticked off about that.

Could he be referring to Jesse Berry? I, for one, support the approach Arch describes and don't have a problem with strict standards...but this is the same thing that prevented Urban Meyer from taking his "dream job" at Notre Dame and can create challenges for a school when only looking at W/Ls in a vacuum.

All my digits are crossed for BG to stay. I really like the guy and he has done a great job buying into the University's mission and standards. i also don't agree with the level of criticism he has received as a coach. I will argue forever that much of the heat he is taking has to do with execution....how many bunnies and open jumpers were missed. Any offense will look bad if guys don't hit shots. But, I'm not trying to get into it any more. I'm tired and disappointed in this whole mess.

[Jets Flyer]

“As of right now, I don’t have an offer. I haven’t accepted a job to be head coach anywhere. ... (These schools) also know, as these situations have come up in the past, how I feel about Dayton and the special program we’re building here.”

This sounds like "I don't have an offer that I like $$$ yet"

[Chris R]

Who is academically at-risk at Xavier and Richmond? And Temple? These dont strike me as rogue programs bringing in a bunch of Wingfields and Satterfields.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[THirt]

Maybe Justin Martin, who was not academically eligible this season.

[ClevelandFlyer05]

Originally Posted by longtimefan How many agree that UD will not bring in the same kind of academically-at-risk players that some of our competition in the A-10 does? I could name several who will say it is nonsense, but Arch feels there is something to it. I know this was almost 30 year ago, but that is the very reason we passed on Ron Harper. I'm still ticked off about that.

Does Xavier bring in those types of players?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[shocka43]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebask...ia-Tech-032711

[OSU Flyer]

Mark Lyons and Justin Martin both had to sit out their freshman season's for academic reasons

X has taken on some guys like Taylor (transfer from Monmouth), Drew Lav and others with "character" concerns

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Chris R Who is academically at-risk at Xavier and Richmond? And Temple? These dont strike me as rogue programs bringing in a bunch of Wingfields and Satterfields.

Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05 Does Xavier bring in those types of players?

I don't know. Ask Arch.

[UACFlyer]

The Journal Constitution's equivalent of Doug and Arch has a piece on the matter in which BG's name is mentioned along with several others. But the article does not suggest that BG is high on the list; in fact it indicates that there has been some negative reaction locally to his name.

I agree with Arch,....he's gone if the right offer comes. Tim knows that too. Suppose the "right" offer does not come....how does that affect BG's tenure at UD and his relationship with TW?

Here's a possible scenario: Since Tim "knows" BG would have left if an attractive offer came along, that positions Tim to take a hard line toward BG's future performance. And, rather than having to hire a replacement in a hurry, it buys time for Tim to carefully select and prioritize BG replacement targets.

Bottom line: The developments of recent days have essentially ended BG's career at UD. That is, since BG has let it be known that he would/will leave now for the right offer...that's close to saying I'm gone and provides Tim with a degree of flexibility that he didn't have before. If BG stays and things don't show obvious improvement Tim will be better positioned to make a change. And if BG stays and things do improve as we hope....the BG will get that "right offer".

Either way he's gone, now or after one or two more years.

In the past when BG's name came up he quickly spoke out dismissing the rumors and clearly stated his devotion to UD. This time he did not....and Tim knows exactly what the implications of that are.

[NCkevi]

BG says he doesn't have an offer, which I believe; however, it's possible he's talking with Tech in terms of: what would it take for you to accept an offer if we were to make one? That way BG can truthfully say he has no offers and if he doesn't go, Tech can make someone else their official first choice.

[OSU Flyer]

Temple under Chaney got those type of guys, not sure about Dunphy

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Chris R Who is academically at-risk at Xavier and Richmond? And Temple? These dont strike me as rogue programs bringing in a bunch of Wingfields and Satterfields.

I've heard that the forward that they recruited out of Baltimore (freshman last year, can't remember his name) is struggling academically, preventing him from traveling to the A10 tournament. I'm not sure if he was considered an academic risk coming in, but they have had their share of ineligible players recently.

Has anyone seen my cell phone?

[UDan71]

XU has had several Prop 48 players over the years. They also pride themselves on their academic tutor, Sr. Rose Ann Fleming, who's ushered their b-ball players through the academic programs there with apparently great success.

She has her own page on their athletics website, as well as this page (http://www.goxavier.com/ot/xavi-academics-main.html) that discusses their academic support services for athletes and also prominently mentions her. Note that she has been inducted into their Athletic Hall of Fame. She began working with the athletes in 1985, but was, at one time, President of Trinity College in Washington, D.C.

Also recall the big stink last summer up at Akron St Vincent-St Mary, when their coach accused the XU coaches of reputedly messing with his prize player, Jakarr Sampson, by telling the kid and his mom that he wouldn't be NCAA eligible if he stayed at SVSM with the academic record he had. He then transferred to Brewster Academy, in the East, which really PO'ed the SVSM coach. He later committed to St. John's

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[TommyGola]

If the recruits can't pass the academic requirements of a university or the NCAA, then they leave or try to get caught up. If a young man doesn't want to work with the tutors and/or speech therapists (as the aforementioned Ron Harper had to do at Miami), then one must drop them from the program. Personally, I think this whole academic thing is a bit of an excuse. Notre Dame, Princeton, Butler, Gonzaga, Syracuse, Xavier, and Bucknell all made the NCAA tournament and had good seasons...and they do it without academic compromise. If indeed BG hinted at this, I think it is a mis-statement of the situation.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Fudd . Has anyone seen my cell phone?

It's over there on the floor, under where the drinking fountain used to be.

[backtolife]

Originally Posted by fudd has anyone seen my cell phone?

nice! Lol

[OSU Flyer]

George Washington's program basically blew up because of Washington Post article about the Colonials taking people that were borderline academically

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by TommyGola If the recruits can't pass the academic requirements of a university or the NCAA, then they leave or try to get caught up. If a young man doesn't want to work with the tutors and/or speech therapists (as the aforementioned Ron Harper had to do at Miami), then one must drop them from the program. Personally, I think this whole academic thing is a bit of an excuse. Notre Dame, Princeton, Butler, Gonzaga, Syracuse, Xavier, and Bucknell all made the NCAA tournament and had good seasons...and they do it without academic compromise. If indeed BG hinted at this, I think it is a mis-statement of the situation.

Dayton employs academic advsiors dedicated to the athletes as well. I believe Dayton basketball has a stigma that is hard to overcome. So, I don't believe academics is the biggest stigma.

[415 Kiefaber]

I am betting on a press conference after BG meets with the team tomorrow. Time will tell how his potential departure works out for UD, but if BG wants to coach at a "big time" program with national exposure, now is the time for him to make the move.

If he goes, we will soon find out what kind of AD and President we have

[Fudd]

There has been so much conflicting info out there from every clucker with a blog trying to make a name for himself.

I would like you all to know that I, Fudd, "broke" the Dillard committing to UD story right here on UDPride (by watching his Twitter account at 1:00 AM when I had nothing better to do). I expect all of the respect and adulation that goes with that.

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by longtimefan How many agree that UD will not bring in the same kind of academically-at-risk players that some of our competition in the A-10 does? I could name several who will say it is nonsense, but Arch feels there is something to it. I know this was almost 30 year ago, but that is the very reason we passed on Ron Harper. I'm still ticked off about that.

This is BS. Yuanta Holland & Tony Stanley were both academic question marks that matriculated. Jesse Berry was another who was released due to character issues. We may have passed on Harper back in the day, but our recent past indicates we wouldn't pass now on a good basketball recruit who may have classroom issues.

[UDBrian]

The university makes a very big deal out of graduating all of it's players. Is that the number one priority of the coach or is the number one priority to win games and the secondary priority to graduate all of your players? BG wants to compete for a championship and if he has decided that his hands are somewhat tied and he cannot do it here then he is probably ready to leave.

There may have been more players that were considered 'risks' than we know about.

[UDBrian]

WE ARE NOT WORTHY, WE ARE NOT WORTHY! While bowing of course

Originally Posted by Fudd There has been so much conflicting info out there from every clucker with a blog trying to make a name for himself. I would like you all to know that I, Fudd, "broke" the Dillard committing to UD story right here on UDPride (by watching his Twitter account at 1:00 AM when I had nothing better to do). I expect all of the respect and adulation that goes with that.

[John R]

Originally Posted by lilrudy4787 cant trust a word in this article, all media posturing and coach speak thanks for nothing doogie.

And what information did you provide?

[John R]

Originally Posted by smitch425 that they are holding a team meeting tomorrow. So maybe there will be an official announcement of some sort shortly.

A 7:30 A.M meeting with the players today.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Looks pretty official now. BG is gone to Georgia Tech....

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...y-1119831.html

[Medford]

monty Scott had to sit out a season as well. Perhaps OP had more freedom recruiting the academically challenged? Doesn't look like its BG's problem any more. How often does a coach move to another school similar to this situation, and a large % of the fans at the previous school feel happy about it? Can't be that often.

[FlyingArrow]

Medford - probably not all that often. But as another thread put it - BG and UD went as far they're going to. If he stayed 20 years or more he might get a Sweet 16 eventually, but we've seen what we're going to get. The next couple years will likely be rougher than past years, and the recruiting would have been tougher for him after the Staten mess and Wright (likely) not getting drafted.

I think he's more likely to be successful at GT than here at UD. And I think another coach is more likely than BG to succeed here. Transitions are always tough, but this is the best year for it. So, yeah, I think it was good timing. Good luck to Brian Gregory!

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[KGB26]

Archdeacon quotes BG as saying he couldn't compete against A-10 "front runners" because he couldn't bring in the same academically at-risk players.

Archdeacon says that there "is some validity to it."

I would like to see the evidence for this if UD has been made to suffer unfair competition, (none was cited in the paper), or both Gregory and Archdeacon run the risk of blaming our lack of success on some unproven accusation.

Archdeacon & Gregory: Make your case! If it is true then lay it out!

KGN26

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[AC91]

Actually, here is the exact quote from Arch's blog. BG did not say it at all...it is Arch speculating (maybe he has specific things that would have led him to this conculsion, but he offers nothing up. Based on what Arch wrote, you cannot hang it on BG at all...

"I believe he feels he can’t bring in the same academically at-risk players that some Atlantic 10 front-runners can and because of that he can’t compete with those schools on a year-after-year basis. While that may sound like an excuse to some — especially those who say the Flyers’ problems in league play are based on his predictable offense — I think there is some validity to it."

[MD Flyer Pride]

From DDN:
Gregory broke the news to the Flyers during what one player described as an emotional meeting at 7:30 a.m. today.

“I know I’ve been hearing a lot, and I didn’t want it to be true,” junior co-captain Josh Parker said. “When he called the meeting, there was a lot going through my head.

“Everybody pretty much had tears. Even though he won’t be around here, we have to continue to work and stay hungry.”


http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...g-1119831.html

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[JMU]

Originally Posted by KGB26 Archdeacon quotes BG as saying he couldn't compete against A-10 "front runners" because he couldn't bring in the same academically at-risk players. Archdeacon says that there "is some validity to it." I would like to see the evidence for this if UD has been made to suffer unfair competition, (none was cited in the paper), or both Gregory and Archdeacon run the risk of blaming our lack of success on some unproven accusation. Archdeacon & Gregory: Make your case! If it is true then lay it out! KGN26

According to the NCAA's APR report, and on the basis of academic success, there's virtually no validity to it. Here are the NCAA's multi-year APR numbers through 2008-2009 (the last year available). An APR of 925 represents a 50% graduation rate.

Xavier - 985
Dayton - 975
Richmond - 967
Temple - 934

And for comparison, Butler's APR is 1000, while VCU's is 975 (identical to Dayton's).

Now, while UD might not like that 934 for Temple, the average for the other A-10 schools, plus Butler and VCU is 981, and any APR in the 960-980 range is very good for basketball.


Terribly disingenuous comment by Gregory, and worse reporting by Archdeacon. The "They just won't let me recruit morons.." excuse doesn't hold much water...unless of course those are the only players he feels comfortable coaching.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[AC91]

Originally Posted by JMU Terribly disingenuous comment by Gregory, and worse reporting by Archdeacon.

please read what Arch wrote...he never said BG stated that. Arch said that HE BELIEVES BG can't bring in the same academically at-risk players....

I have no idea if BG feels this way, but as far as we know, he never said it.

I like the data you posted, but felt compelled to reiterate my earlier post.

[JMU]

Originally Posted by AC91 please read what Arch wrote...he never said BG stated that. Arch said that HE BELIEVES BG can't bring in the same academically at-risk players.... I have no idea if BG feels this way, but as far as we know, he never said it. I like the data you posted, but felt compelled to reiterate my earlier post.

I did. Do we really want to parse the meaning of what the phrase "But from talking to him as the season wore down..." actually means? If I'm talking to a coach who runs that notion up the flagpole, I'm going to say "OK Coach. I hear you. But are you telling me that it's just not possible for a program to be competitively and acaedemically successful at the same time?"

[AC91]

I just read it differently than you ... I read it as Arch grasping at something. And here's Doug Harris' latest blog post from his conversation with BG this morning...Sounds like he's taking the GT job, in part, because of similar academic requirements that GT has. here's BG's quote. which blog do i go with...the one with an actual quote or one where the blogger says he believes someone thinks some way?

“But the academic part of the school really fits the type of school I want to be associated with. That’s really important. At Georgia Tech, you can recruit the highest quality player without compromising the important character components necessary for success. They have great tradition there. I’m excited about re-establishing that tradition and re-energizing the program — and getting the former players back, like we did here, and becoming engaged in the community, like we did here.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...cxtype=feedbot

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by JMU I did. Do we really want to parse the meaning of the what the phrase "But from talking to him as the season wore down..." actually means? If I'm talking to a coach who runs that notion up the flagpole, I'm going to say "OK Coach. I hear you. But are you telling me that it's just not possible for a program to be competitively and acaedemically successful at the same time?"

Lets not forget this is the same Arch who wrote an article about seeing a car around town owned by someone who disliked BG so much they had a FIRE BG license plate. Turned out it was on a volkswagen bug with flames painted on it and FIRE BUG was taken

[JMU]

Originally Posted by AC91 “But the academic part of the school really fits the type of school I want to be associated with. That’s really important. At Georgia Tech, you can recruit the highest quality player without compromising the important character components necessary for success. They have great tradition there. I’m excited about re-establishing that tradition and re-energizing the program — and getting the former players back, like we did here, and becoming engaged in the community, like we did here.” http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...cxtype=feedbot

Better check that out. Georgia Tech's multi-year APR was an alarming 908 through the 2008-2009, which would put them on the "academic watch" list for possible scholarship sanctions. As a practical matter, they'll be content to keep it as near 925 as necessary, and no higher. (They actually lost 2 scholarships in '08-'09)

So, just to be very clear. Despite what he says, the (local) story here actually is "I just couldn't coach in an environment where the majority of my players were expected to graduate.

[Gazoo]

Harvard seems to do OK.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Harvard seems to do OK.

If BG's conference record over 8 years is a point of criticism why would we bring in a coach with a 106-114 record in conference play over 14 years?

[UDDoug]

The academic issue was something OP talked about from time to time. There were players he wanted to recruit and could not. Often by being td they wouldn't be admitted. Holland and Scott were exceptions. Stanley couldn't get admitted until he got a qualifying SAT. The difficulty of getting the ok to offer Scott supposedly really wore on him. That doesn't happen other places where they are
more willing to take partial qualifiers if they want to take advantage of the resources provided for academic success. Is it the primary issue. No. Is it a nonissue. No.
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[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Harvard seems to do OK.

And when did Harvard last win an NCAA Tournament game or an NIT Championship?

[TA111]

Originally Posted by JMU Better check that out. Georgia Tech's multi-year APR was an alarming 908 through the 2008-2009, which would put them on the "academic watch" list for possible scholarship sanctions. As a practical matter, they'll be content to keep it as near 925 as necessary, and no higher. (They actually lost 2 scholarships in '08-'09) So, just to be very clear. Despite what he says, the (local) story here actually is "I just couldn't coach in an environment where the majority of my players were expected to graduate.

If that is correct it is a sad state of affairs for college sports when graduating isn't the norm. We are hanging alot of these kids out to dry. How many play in the pros-maybe 1-2%.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by TA111 If that is correct it is a sad state of affairs for college sports when graduating isn't the norm. We are hanging alot of these kids out to dry. How many play in the pros-maybe 1-2%.

Fans don't care about academics at all. How often has the UD graduation rate been mentioned on the message board? Not often.

Did anyone mention the amount of class on campus the team missed while at the A10 tournament and in the NIT?

The discussions in college sports center around winning and losing. Academics and D1 college football and basketball are generally a farce.

[JMU]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Fans don't care about academics at all. How often has the UD graduation rate been mentioned on the message board? Not often.

No doubt they don't, but that wasn't really the point. At issue was the suggestion that Gregory couldn't recruit certain players due to their academic standing.

My point was that there are any number of comparison-worthy schools with graduation rates in the neighborhood of UD'd who don't use that excuse, and are as successful as UD claims that it wants to be.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.