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Old 01-10-2009, 02:53 PM
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KH just fouled out...
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This never would have happend if

Huelsman had made the trip!!!!!!!!!!!
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Luke Bonner must be a soccer player because he flops like those weasels do.
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Gregory looks ticked off at our play. He just stared PW and RL down hard.
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That flop against KH was a joke
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That flop against KH was a joke. Bonner was moving into him. Pathetic
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KH fouls out with no attempts, xero points, 2 rebs, 5 fouls....how sweet....tell me again how he does so much
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Another turn over. Bad pass by Lowery.

Is anyone watching this Bonner? It looks like a sniper is in the rafters shooting him every time we touch him. If he played for UD I would be happy though since he has drawn 3 charges.
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Old 01-10-2009, 02:59 PM
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Down 12, 4 possession game. Have to step up the D. Need a stop every time down .
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atta boy Luke!! Wish we had some fouls to give. First time I ever remember KH fouling out.
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Originally Posted by VirgM View Post
KH fouls out with no attempts, xero points, 2 rebs, 5 fouls....how sweet....tell me again how he does so much
I bet his minutes were close to 10 today. Hard for anyone to put anything into the stat book when you have to sit on the bench most of the 1st half in foul trouble.
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MESSAGE FROM BG or WHIO

We are experiencing technical difficulties, Please stand by. Is that Message from Coach BG or WHIO?

I'm Waiting!!!!
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:00 PM
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comeback time.
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BG's unleashed LUUUUUUUUUUUUKE
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comeback time.
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UH, now I think we've lost.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:04 PM
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when Lowe plays well Umass is a solid team ... he dominated the game today
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:04 PM
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please take all the other ledge-walkers with you. 14-2 and you just went over. if we make the ncaas, please do not purchase tickets.

Tell me why you would even accept an effort like this?
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:04 PM
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Thumbs down Yeah it's not his fault again-

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I bet his minutes were close to 10 today. Hard for anyone to put anything into the stat book when you have to sit on the bench most of the 1st half in foul trouble.
The refs are against him. Don't want him to shine.

Give me a break. He did nothing AGAIN. Having a terrible saeson. Oh we're 14-2 we should be happy, going to the NIT, maybe.

Go Kurt keep it up. Sheech
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:05 PM
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This should end the top 25 talk for this season unless the offense improves.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:07 PM
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Why is London in there dead tired instead of RL and where is CJ?
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:08 PM
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Not real happy. We have to keep the score in the sixties for us to have a chance to win. Needless to say I hate UMass! Let's get ready for Fordham.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:10 PM
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Time to fire BG, sell UD Arena, fold the team up and donate all the jerseys and shorts to goodwill. We lost. Season's over. Never going to win another game. Centers are terrible. Guards are awful, forwards are terrible too. Assistant coaches are useless, fans are terrible, NIT here we come, NCAA tourney never going to happen.

Good by all, I'm off to go and jump in front of a train. UD Basketball is no more.

14-2 is too much for me to deal with...
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This should end the top 25 talk for this season unless the offense improves.
Seems like the past couple of times we're ready to break in, we end up with a loss.

Thought to break into the top 25 if we beat Creighton and lost.

26th coming into this week with potential to break in again with a win today and another loss.

Granted the ranking would be nice, but I'll settle for a season that takes us into the NCAA.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:13 PM
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This team is 14-2 and I'm happy with that.. What I'm not happy about is that we can't win away from home against a decent team (and UMass is borderline a decent team), for this team to go anywhere we have to prove it in the A10. We will see in the next couple of weeks whether this team can handle the A10 and I hope Gregory shows that he can handle the A10 because up to this point it's debatable (I apologize if i spelled that wrong) that he can. I love UD and I love the guys on the team, but it comes down to the next 15 games and we better show something more than we showed tonight. A win is a win and a loss is a loss, but this was a BAD loss. I still believe... but it's up to the team.
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Wow that sucked. UMass earned the win and we deserve the loss. Let's hope the Flyers can put this behind them and move on with some better play...
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I bet his minutes were close to 10 today. Hard for anyone to put anything into the stat book when you have to sit on the bench most of the 1st half in foul trouble.
15 Minutes
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:15 PM
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Flyers had nothing for Lowe, he dribble pentrated at will.
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Before the usual suspects get out the pitchforks and torches and head out after KH, I'll be the first to admit he did not play well. I'll also point out that no one played well. No one. Not one person on this team played a good game, so be sure to spread the love around.

Go Flyers.
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Time to fire BG, sell UD Arena, fold the team up and donate all the jerseys and shorts to goodwill. We lost. Season's over. Never going to win another game. Centers are terrible. Guards are awful, forwards are terrible too. Assistant coaches are useless, fans are terrible, NIT here we come, NCAA tourney never going to happen.

Good by all, I'm off to go and jump in front of a train. UD Basketball is no more.

14-2 is too much for me to deal with...
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:17 PM
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Before Today: Pomeroy's predictions:

Sat Jan 10 Dayton vs. (188) Massachusetts (sr) Semi-Away (Springfield, MA) W, 69-58[70] (87%)
Wed Jan 14 Dayton vs. (315) Fordham (sr) Home W, 75-50[66] (99%)
Sat Jan 17 Dayton vs. (111) Duquesne (sr) Away W, 71-67[72] (68%)
Thu Jan 22 Dayton vs. (218) George Washington (sr) Away W, 63-54[65] (87%)
Sun Jan 25 Dayton vs. (181) St. Bonaventure (sr) Home W, 72-56[71] (94%)
Thu Jan 29 Dayton vs. (165) St. Louis (sr) Home W, 61-48[61] (94%)
Sun Feb 1 Dayton vs. (107) Saint Joseph's (sr) Home W, 63-53[63] (88%)
Wed Feb 4 Dayton vs. (128) La Salle (sr) Away W, 67-62[67] (72%)
Sun Feb 8 Dayton vs. (118) Charlotte (sr) Away W, 66-61[67] (70%)
Wed Feb 11 Dayton vs. (17) Xavier (sr) Home L, 62-61[68] (48%)
Sat Feb 14 Dayton vs. (96) Richmond (sr) Home W, 67-57[65] (86%)
Sat Feb 21 Dayton vs. (165) St. Louis (sr) Away W, 58-51[61] (80%)
Wed Feb 25 Dayton vs. (48) Rhode Island (sr) Away L, 72-69[70] (38%)
Sat Feb 28 Dayton vs. (62) Temple (sr) Home W, 62-57[65] (75%)
Thu Mar 5 Dayton vs. (17) Xavier (sr) Away L, 65-58[68] (20%)
Sat Mar 7 Dayton vs. (111) Duquesne (sr) Home W, 75-63[72] (88%)
Projected record** 26-5 12-4
Chance of undefeated record 0.34%

A couple of predictions:

* Pomeroy is way off this year. We will not do better than 8-8 in the A10 again. Losses - UMASS, X twice, URI, @Duq, Charlotte, and 2 unknowns. It will be interesting to see his updates tomorrow.

* Brian Kollars, Pendelton, & Ludwig of DDN will come out of hiding and omce again question why we don't play Wright State. I'll get upset and cancel my subscription for 6 months again...., but

* I'll be wearing my Flyer Red and cheering them in the NIT in March.

We are not a Top 25 team we might be Top 60.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:18 PM
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please take all the other ledge-walkers with you. 14-2 and you just went over. if we make the ncaas, please do not purchase tickets.

Tell me why you would even accept an effort like this?
Where do you see anyone is accepting this effort. Difference between you, your ledge walkers and intelligent UD fans is that we realize this is just one game.

While Ud got beat in all facets of the game it is just one game. I'll take this loss gladly if we can take X once or twice.

Glad you got off the ledge, could be slippery out there.
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Let's face it - the minutemen played a great game and the Flyers were flat and they couldn't buy a call from the refs - all adds up to a big loss. All is not lost. Hope BG can use it as a learning curve step forward. The Flyers are better than they showed today, but they will run up against this kind of team several more times this season. They have changed my expectations but not my hopes. I'd rather cheer for David over Goliath anyway.
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As soon as BG was getting on my good side he directs weak defense. Playing like we are up with 8 to go instead of being down. Since we are top heavy on Athletes vs. Basketball Players, why don't we take advantage of that and trap in the full court? We already overplay passing lanes and over hedge picks to where we get beat up on backdoor cuts. Why not press aggressively and trap in the half court as well? If we are going to get beat on D, at least give it an effort.

And to keep my vent in this thread and not another, week long bash thread....

I swear if I see Little play half ass post D or not fight through one more screen I am going to go nuts. You can't have that type of effort out of an upperclassman.

I can deal with mistakes. I can't stomach poor effort.

This team is aggressive in some aspects of the game, and weak in others. That weakness is going to get us beat a few more times this season. Part of the game is clock management. You don't manage the clock with allowing them to juice the shot clock every possession. Pressure takes care of that, not weak D.
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Where do you see anyone is accepting this effort. Difference between you, your ledge walkers and intelligent UD fans is that we realize this is just one game.

While Ud got beat in all facets of the game it is just one game. I'll take this loss gladly if we can take X once or twice.

Glad you got off the ledge, could be slippery out there.
Unless we develop an offensive presence, we will be humiliated twice by X. Be relsitic. Our defense will not win those types of games.
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Not hard to figure really. For what ever reason UMass seems to have our number.

When a better team (based on W/L) comes in with an 80% effort and the lesser team comes in with a 120% effort, this is the result one would expect.

The tell all was the first half discrepancy with rebounds UD 9 -19. Effort wasn't there today.

We got beat in all aspects of the game. When you play poorly don't expect the refs to bail you out.

BUT, and its a big but, its only one game and the boys got a wake up call. The only question is.....will they answer it.
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Sea Bass is right....we had no answer for Lowe. He was the difference.That and being outscored on the foul line and getting out rebounded. Tough to get defensive rebounds when the opponent shoots well. I'm not going to go on suicide watch because of a loss to UMass. I am disappointed but there is a lot of hoops left. Everyone must remain positive.
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Unless we develop an offensive presence, we will be humiliated twice by X. Be relsitic. Our defense will not win those types of games.

Thats why the games are played on a court. On paper we don't match up well, but thats what a fan is supposed to be, optimistic. Do you think the UMass fans weren't optimistic about todays game. Some would have laughed at their chances today, but it was played on a court, throw out the stats, records, etc.
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I thought London played fairly well. I thought his defense was as good at times as it had been all year. I realize UMass got a lot of penetration, but thats where you practice help defense -- and the interior guys were equally culpable for not recognizing and moving quick enough.

I think a main problem was Kellogg "Travis Ford'd" us. Ford threw the double on Roberts and forced everyone else to win it. Kellogg played 4 on 5 on defense and totally ignored London. This made doing anything in the paint difficult. We predicted when we'd see a team first try this approach, and now we have the answer.

It is the second loss on the season. I remain excted until I have a good reason not to be. 14-2 is not a reason to no longer be excited when 14-1 was a reason to. If we're 16-6 in a couple weeks, thats another story.
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As soon as BG was getting on my good side he directs weak defense. Playing like we are up with 8 to go instead of being down. Since we are top heavy on Athletes vs. Basketball Players, why don't we take advantage of that and trap in the full court? We already overplay passing lanes and over hedge picks to where we get beat up on backdoor cuts. Why not press aggressively and trap in the half court as well? If we are going to get beat on D, at least give it an effort.

And to keep my vent in this thread and not another, week long bash thread....

I swear if I see Little play half ass post D or not fight through one more screen I am going to go nuts. You can't have that type of effort out of an upperclassman.

I can deal with mistakes. I can't stomach poor effort.

This team is aggressive in some aspects of the game, and weak in others. That weakness is going to get us beat a few more times this season. Part of the game is clock management. You don't manage the clock with allowing them to juice the shot clock every possession. Pressure takes care of that, not weak D.
I was wondering the same thing. I do question why we don't jump the ball in situations like we were in at the end of today's game, from say the 5 minute mark on. We were playing D with no sense of urgency.
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KH fouls out with no attempts, xero points, 2 rebs, 5 fouls....how sweet....tell me again how he does so much
I have no idea.....all these "intangible" things that he does must mean ALOT!.....so sad that our starting center is averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds....that would not stand at any other school.
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I think LW played a decent game. MJ quietly had a good game. Majority of the others, eh...

LF...Green light needs to turn red from time to time.

CW...How about a jump stop? Nice turn around J and some work around the hoop. But a jump stop is going to some in handy when it comes to him staying out of foul trouble.

CL...Am I the only one that watches him thinking he is at about 60%? Did he break a sweat? If he would only play as hard as we have seen him in the past, I wouldn't be typing this now.

KH...Tough couple games for the big fella. Needs to keep his head up. Tough to have a breakout game when nothing else is flowing with the O, at all.

CJ...kid plays 110% every minute he is in the game. How can you not appreciate that?

Depending on what UMass team showed up, determined the outcome. This game isn't as important as how the next couple are played. That will determine what these guys are made of.
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A silver lining...

I know no one wants to hear this in a loss, but the team did shoot 44% from the 3 pt line.

And as interior players go, Tony Gaffney is one of the better players we've seen to date. Perhaps that should be considered as we continue to discuss this contest. I didn't see if KH was guarding him, but since the team defense was not up to snuff, it may not matter all that much whether Gaffney was KH's direct responsibilty.

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flyers don't play the same defense on the road
It doesn't have so much to do w/ the road...as it does that we are playing a team that has as much or most likely more talent than us. Our D still is playing pretty well overall....but It's just not as easy when you are playing legit teams. I knew this would happen...and it will continue to happen when we try to play D the same way we do against the likes of Bethune Cookman etc..

The person who said: "Back off of Lowe, he wants to drive and isn't bothered by the pressure" was right on. This is why I was shocked at how well we played against Marquette and their guards. I hope that BG continues to make adjustments to the PT going through league play...we can't afford to have LF on the floor being a defensive liability and chucking up threes. It's a hit or miss...and tonight it was a miss. He came in and it was 44-40 UMass. He came out a few minutes later and it was 53-42. Like I said it's hit or miss...If he makes those then it's great...but if he misses THAT happens. Oh well...just my 2 cents. I also can't understand why CJ doesn't play more. And I also can't understand why MJ wasn't in from about the 9:00 mark until about the 3:30 mark. Like i said...I like the "depth" that we have....but in games where the talent is equal or greater we need to have our studs in there more!
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Originally Posted by shocka43 View Post
I think LW played a decent game. MJ quietly had a good game. Majority of the others, eh...

LF...Green light needs to turn red from time to time.

CW...How about a jump stop? Nice turn around J and some work around the hoop. But a jump stop is going to some in handy when it comes to him staying out of foul trouble.

CL...Am I the only one that watches him thinking he is at about 60%? Did he break a sweat? If he would only play as hard as we have seen him in the past, I wouldn't be typing this now.

KH...Tough couple games for the big fella. Needs to keep his head up. Tough to have a breakout game when nothing else is flowing with the O, at all.

CJ...kid plays 110% every minute he is in the game. How can you not appreciate that?

Depending on what UMass team showed up, determined the outcome. This game isn't as important as how the next couple are played. That will determine what these guys are made of.

I basically echo your thoughts mostly. Especially the one about CW developing a JUMP STOP!!!! Oh well...Like everyone says...We are 14-2...but we are 2-2 against legit teams. That will hurt us in the A'10. We are just a solid team who will probably go 9-7 or 8-8 in the league. It's tough to play on the road in the A10...no matter who the team is, and this team hasn't done anything yet to show me that they can be consistent enough to win more than 1 or 2 games on the road in the A-10.
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