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Old 02-18-2012, 10:43 PM
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Like to get them again. They need to get rid of Wolf
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Good look for Dillard. Just did not go.
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Wow. They gave Dillard a great look.
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... Simply did not make enough plays to win.
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Freakin' Jimmy Carter.
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May see them again this year. So close.
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Boy I hope we see them in Atlantic city.
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Too many dumbass TO's. Good effort but not enough. Again X hits shots out of their azz.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:47 PM
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We beat them in AC if we see them again. Luke needs to sack up
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too much dribble penetration in the 2nd half. XU was pretty much all layups and free throws
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A sweep would have been nice, especially this year. Not to be.
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Fought like hell with guys struggling to make bunnies, while there guys are making turn around threes.

Can't blame the refs, but they should've made an equivalent call for Dillard at the end of regulation. Otherwise UDs failure to get ball pressure and stop penetration cost yet again. None of our bigs can step up and dunk the ball.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:48 PM
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UD missed too many chances so not refs fault we lost, but if Tu got fouled with 8 seconds, Dillard definitely was fouled with 1 second. I don't understand those calls ...
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:50 PM
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I really think that our bigs are much better than the X bigs. I'm not saying that our bigs are all that great, but X is very bad outside of their guards. Fabs lack of leapers hurts him around the bucket. He is always overcompensating for getting blocked. I think that led to both missed bunnies for him.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:51 PM
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How do we let them inbound to Tu with 14 seconds. Why not 2x team him?!?!
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Great game by Kav, Dillard, Paul and CJ. We are just a player short. Oliver gave us very little, ditto Parker. And what ever happened to Hill. Barely played last game.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:56 PM
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Bad enough losing to x, but we're now tied for 8th with Duquesne, meaning the winner Wed. stays there while the loser drops to 9th - really need to get over this loss quickly and stay in the mix for a home game in the A10 tournament
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
UD missed too many chances so not refs fault we lost, but if Tu got fouled with 8 seconds, Dillard definitely was fouled with 1 second. I don't understand those calls ...
This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....
If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....
Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by steve View Post
Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.
Sorry Steve, but nearly every play like that in college BB is contact. If you're going to call that BS at the end of a game, then call it both ways. KD was big time hacked and no call. Just be consistent, agreed?
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:05 PM
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Refs swallowed their whistles on the last play, but I wouldnt call it a homer otherwise. Our guards can't keep people in front of them, and then they either play d with their hands our our bigs pick up junk fouls trying to bail them out time after time.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:06 PM
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I also thought that Tu got a foul call on that CJ defensive play that was questionable. If it was a bump, then it was on the floor before the shot the way I remember it. But I guess I'll have to wait for the Youtube version. We didn't get a very good look at Lyons trying to defend the Dillard layup, but from a distance it looked like there was a lot of contact on that one.
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.
Jack, if i'm not too ****ed off tomorrow i will post both plays together. This will take some considerable editing...just too tired and ****ed to do it now but i did record the game. Take my word for it or just look at the box score; this was a major homer job; 37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.
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Sorry Steve, but nearly every play like that in college BB is contact. If you're going to call that BS at the end of a game, then call it both ways. KD was big time hacked and no call. Just be consistent, agreed?
You only had one view of KD' s layup and there was no visible contact from that angle.
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Refs swallowed their whistles on the last play, but I wouldnt call it a homer otherwise. Our guards can't keep people in front of them, and then they either play d with their hands our our bigs pick up junk fouls trying to bail them out time after time.
Check the box score please; you can recant later if you don't have "pride".
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You only had one view of KD' s layup and there was no visible contact from that angle.
Wrong sir; there are several views available...GDit, don't make me do this now; wife is already ****ed at the loss and ****ed at me for cursing....
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:12 PM
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They couldn't keep Lyons or tu in front of them and played with their hands to try and slow them down. I am in fact quite proud of how hard the guys fought, but the refs didn't cost them the game.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.
Considering that UD played on the perimeter (31 3-point attempts) and Xavier played in the paint (12 3-point attempts), the foul shots certainly aren't out of line. Sorry, but I'm not blaming the refs for the outcome.
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RANT.

I have no sympathy for this program. None. Nobody deserves this ridiculous streak more than we do because of the continuous un-fundamentally sound basketball we take down there every season.

No defense, fouling guys every trip down the court, giving up treys when we could only afford to give up twos, gag on layups. Its the same schtick every time.

We just play D- defense and we win by 8-10pts. We play C- defense and we win by 15. We dont wet the punchbowl on layups and we win by 5. We dont foul guys for and-1s at the wrong time, we win by 2-3.

We could have walked the dog in this game. If you can't win tonight, you simply cannot win. Period. Xavier basically ran a layup line all evening and nothing more. All we do is keep them from making 15 layups and cut that to 12-13 and we win.

We spend a timeout telling everyone to deny Tu Holloway the ball on the inbounds, and in 0.5 seconds he gets open for an easy inbounds pass. How in the name of all that his holy does this happen. I cant even reconcile some of these kinds of mistakes in my head. A point here, two points there, a bad foul here, fouling a three point shooter there, missing a layup here, missing one there, turning it over here, another one there, guys not understanding their skill sets and taking shots outside of their skill set, etc.

At the end of the game you look at things and realize you wrapped 20pts in gifts to the opposition.

You lose 27 in a row because of night's like tonight. When Xavier brings their A game, we have nothing better than a B+ game. If Xavier brings their C- game, we bring our D game.

I cant tell you how disappointed I am. Never should have even been close in the last 4 minutes. So many mistakes compounded themselves to put us on a spot we never should have been in.

There are no moral victories. This streak is embarrassing. The guys on the team nor the coaches do not bear the entire burden of it. But it is an inexcusable albatross nonetheless.

Tonight was a microcosm of 31 years. And it may be another 31 years if we continue to go down there and make the same mistakes.

After every bonehead mistakes, I kept telling myself "This is why you lose 27 in a row at Xavier." Some games are closer than others, but the thread in every one of them is we just wet the bed at the wrong times.

We could have easily won 7-10 of those 27. A blind squirrel might have won 3-5 of them. And yet we've lost all 27.

Its ridiculous. Its just so dam ridiculous. People outside the program cant even wrap their head around it because the reality of it is so massively unfathomable.

All Xavier did tonight was make layups. Thats it. When what layups they missed, they got fouled on and got points at the line. The fact that is was so close is just an indication of how poor Xavier's defense was as well and how we made some shots to keep it tight. The techs also helped.

You aren't gonna beat Austin Peay on a night like tonight however if you give up 15 layups.

I counted the 6 layups surrendered in the first 9 offensive possessions of the second half by Dayton. On another, we gave up a trey. Every trip down the court in the first 15 minutes of the second half, XU got points.

You lose 27 in a row because you do things like that.

I'm done. I am so done. Like i said, the current team should not be burdened with the last 31 years. Theyve had a lot of help. There is so much culpability to go around. The faces change but the play largely remains the same.

Not only should we have won tonight by 8-10pts, we should have won a half dozen other ones down there over the last 15-20 years.

This Xavier team is very mediocre. They didnt much of anything tonight. At times they tried to hand the game right back to us.

About the only comparison to our defense I can make that adequately describes its impossibly non-existent resistance is the Washington Generals guarding the Harlem Globetrotters. But even at that, I buy my ticket knowing the ridiculousness is scripted.

I got nuthin' left. Nuthin. Im tapped out. Please continue the discussion without me.
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Key plays CJ fouling and KD not fouled

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If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQLZcAz41lo
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I think the only thing that disappoints me at this point under Archie is the non development of our defense so far. I was not too disappointed in our play tonight. I am definitely nowhere near as agitated as Chris over this. At no point did I ever feel this was our game. It felt like it could end up falling either way right until the end. That's a world away from where we used to be down there. I think we would have won that game on a neutral court. Both teams are flawed. X is terrible on the interior and with their foul shooting. Dayton lacks athleticism with their bigs and good perimeter defenders, IMO. We would be a heck of a lot better if we had some bigs capable of blocking shots. We need some erasers inside the way our guards get beat off the dribble.
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We need some erasers inside the way our guards get beat off the dribble.
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Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQLZcAz41lo
Wow if one is a foul the other, Dillard, is a foul.
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My thoughts:
--extremely entertaining game, only other recent OT game vs. X in Cincinnati was the last game at the Cincinnati Gardens in 2000 under OP.

--offense: They got 11 points from Kavanaugh and 6 from Gavrilovic, that's not bad, but Kavs just seems a step slow sometimes.

Not enough dribble drive penetration by UD. Too much reliance on the outside shot. The offense is too predictable, Johnson, Parker, and Williams have to drive more. UD settled for too many tough outside shots. I'm not sure if the reliance on the outside shot is by design or is because of the lack of ability of the players to penetrate more. If Archie can get some players who are able to penetrate and also hit the outside shot, then I think that would be a major improvement. More dribble drive penetration helps get the other team in foul trouble quicker.

Also, too many turnovers, had the ball stolen by X too many times, too many bad passes, etc.

--defense: had a very hard time stopping Holloway and Lyons from penetrating. Did a good job on Frease though.

Overall, I thought UD gave themselves a good chance to get the win. Fabrizius missing the layup in OT was a critical mistake, I think he missed around 2 of those close-in type layup shots. I'd like to see him dunk those if he can. Kavs getting blocked in OT was also a big play, I'd like to see Kavs be quicker in the post to prevent the help defense from shifting over onto him.

I just felt more confident at this year's game with Archie at the helm. I thought Archie put the team in position to be able to win the game, UD just came up a little short. I do think Archie will end the streak relatively soon, within the next few years. I feel more confident in Archie being able to end the streak than I did with BG coaching, I just feel like Archie is not as predictable.

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Jack, if i'm not too ****ed off tomorrow i will post both plays together. This will take some considerable editing...just too tired and ****ed to do it now but i did record the game. Take my word for it or just look at the box score; this was a major homer job; 37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.
No, sorry, with all due respect, IMO UD did not get homered at all. In fact, I'd say that UD had a very slight advantage with respect to the fouls that were called.

X penetrated more on offense, UD did not penetrate enough on offense. Penetration leads to fouls being called more often on the defense. That was the reason for UD getting called for 5 more fouls than X. UD relied on the outside shot too much. Johnson, Parker, and Williams have to penetrate more.
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I just felt more confident at this year's game with Archie at the helm. I thought Archie put the team in position to be able to win the game, UD just came up a little short. I do think Archie will end the streak relatively soon, within the next few years. I feel more confident in Archie being able to end the streak than I did with BG coaching, I just feel like Archie is not as predictable.
If you look at the last three games at x, there isn't much difference down the stretch - UD was in position to win each of the 3 games

2010: down 3 with 48 seconds left and couldn't get a stop or hit a basket.
2011: had the ball down by 3 with 19 seconds left. PW missed a 3, MK gets the board and misses a layup that would have pulled us within one with 10 seconds left.
2012: Up 1 with 20 seconds left and couldn't get a stop and then down by 2 with 32 sec. left in OT and once again couldn't get it done

If anything, I found this year more frustrating because we weren't playing from behind and had the lead with under a minute but couldn't get a stop
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I honestly feel it might be next year. Here's why. Tu and Kenny are gone. Granted we lose CJ, but we do get JB back for his Sr. year. I think Archie will learn from this game and with his guys get it done. I hope(maybe expect) that a 5-10 point victory next year that will end the streak.
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I hope all of you are right, but we have ate that same spread of buffet line food for 31 years and the only ones we can commiserate with are one another. Just telling ourselves its going to change soon doesn't make it so.

I look back on tonight's game and the more I think about it, the more aggravated I become. Guys definitely made some plays at the end. CJ with a huge three. Paul hit a huge three. Kevin made a pair at the line, and then had that big driving layup with 1 second left.

Which makes this loss all the more neurotic when you start tabulating all the nucking futs moments over the first 37 minutes that put us in a position of being 3-4 points down rather than 8-10 points up and simply salting this bad boy away Red Auerbach style. Dayton should have never been in the position to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat late in this game. But the defense was so offensive again. At times, among the worst its been all season.

The fact is this game was lost in the first 8 minutes of the second half. We carried a 5pt halftime lead into the locker room and then left the building for drinks in Newport.

Here is what our defensive intensity looked like coming out for the second half:

19:44 XU missed jumper
19:19 XU GOOD 3pter Lyons
18:44 XU GOOD layup Lyons and fouled (missed FT)
18:18 XU missed jumper (Holloway)
17:43 XU GOOD layup (Walker)
17:15 XU GOOD dunk (Wells)
16:39 XU GOOD layup (Wells)

At this point UD calls a timeout. XU has scored on FIVE of their first SEVEN possessions of the second half. Three of which were layups, one was a layup and a foul where they did not complete the three point play, and one was a made three pointer.

You couldnt script a worse defensive stretch of three and a half minutes if you tried.

15:52 XU GOOD layup (Wells - off of missed Lyons trey)
14:57 XU GOOD 2 FTs (Walker)
14:15 XU GOOD layup (Davis)

At this point, we have given up six layups in 5:45, including 2FTs which is basically like a seventh layup because they are uncontested.

13:45 XU missed jumper (Robinson)
13:09 XU turnover
12:50 XU GOOD 1-2 FTs (Frease)
11:27 XU turnover
10:48 XU GOOD 1-2 FT (Lyons) XU grabs board which leads to...
10:45 XU GOOD 2FT (Frease)
10:07 XU GOOD 2FT (Holloway)
09:33 XU missed layup (Walker)
09:17 XU GOOD 2FT (Holloway)
08:50 XU GOOD jumper (Holloway)
08:05 XU GOOD 3FT (Holloway)

Over the last five minutes, Xavier scored on 7 of 11 possessions, making 10 free throws, one three pointer, and a deuce. Holloway had 9pts in the last 2:02 of that -- 7 of those being FTs.

So over the first 12 minutes of the second half, Xavier scored on 15 of 21 possessions which included six layups or dunks, one trey, and 13 made free throws.

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

At this point the score is 63-59 Xavier. The score SHOULD be around Dayton 57 Xavier 47 had we just shown even the slightest resistance on defense. We had no business not being firmly in the lead because our offense continued to score -- as it has for most of the season.

Our defense once again completely wet the bed every which way but loose and that's why this game was even close at the end.

We should have been walking the dog with five minutes to go. Instead, in the first 12 minutes we gave up 6 layups and 13 free throws, which is the same as 12.5 layups.

How can you possibly compete at a level we aspire to when you install velvet ropes and red carpet to the rim like that. This is the kind of defense you see when out-manned HS teams get clobbered 59-10 in a first round HS sectional.

The fact that we figure out ways to score and knock down shots is just masking the inexcusable defensive lapses into feeling like they are less damaging than they really are. We scored PLENTY of points tonight to win. We made enough shots, and we sank enough FTs.

What we didnt do was what we haven't done all season -- guard anybody on the other end of the court.

I'm tired of watching everybody completely mail it in (except CJ the last cpl of games) on D. Defense is 50% of basketball. We are a .500 team in the A10 because we play 50% basketball. We are exactly where the numbers should put us. In years past we would play defense and look like lost souls on offense. And we'd finish .500 in the league as well.

I'm not overlooking the depleted roster, new coaches, and obvious defections over the offseason. Archie has his work cut out for him. A lot of this consists of circumstances he did not create; rather, he was handed an unfavorable situation.

We aren't going to ever finish better than .500 in this conference -- nevermind beat Xavier at Xavier -- if we continue to gift-wrap success to the opponent in ways that would make Santa Claus jealous.

At some point the insanity has to end, folks have to buck up, and the results have to be there. Every year we have a new excuse. Injuries, defections, roster turnover, coaching changes, sun spots, the Loch Ness monster.

Ugh. Just ugh. You better hope Obama wins another term or the next time UD travels to Xavier, the XU student section will be erecting a seventh presidential head shot to their mug shot lineup.
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I can;t tell anything from that film of Dillard in final seconds. It's too far away and I can't see if defensive player swipes and hits KD.s arms.

Refs aren't going to call that unless it's real clear. On Holloway's drive there were two body bumps and maybe arm contact.... can't really tell either. Either way it was a great shot by Holloway to get it in.

Hats of to EGGS for closing it out. either team had opps to win, and their studs in Wells, Lyons and Holloway came out ahead. Great UD effort.

This is progress , however disappointing. Usually it's a ten or more point loss down there and it was game the entire way!!!!
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The reason I feel we will have a better shot at winning this game in the near future is the weakening of X overall. Also, I'm not sure if our talent will actually significantly improve over the next few years (always seems to be a crap shoot), but Archie had the guys as poised as I have ever seen them at Cintas last night. I thought the team actually looked relaxed and made mostly good decisions in a very hostile environment.

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I was mad & frustrated last night. I'm more analytical now. Chris's "Game Trak" of X's 2nd half possessions pretty much hits it on the head. If we played average D last night, we'd have won by 10. But we didn't, so the streak is at 31 years and counting. But I have hope.

Holloway was by far their best player last night, and was truly the best player on the court last night for either team. He won't be there next year. Frease, for all his issues, was still a big body in the paint. He won't be there next year, either. Granted, we'll lose some experienced wing players & a lot of 3-point shooting ability. And CJ's motor will be sorely missed. BUT...

We'll have Benson back, we'll have 2 freshman studs in Scott & Robinson, & we should see some year-to-year improvement from Kavs & Gavs. With all that, we should be able to dominate them inside offensively, and do a better job of covering for deficiencies in perimeter D. We'll still be thin on the perimeter (Isaiah Cousins, are you listening?), and far less experienced than we are now. But if the new guys can bring better D than what we saw last night, then with the edge we should have in the paint next year, I honestly believe next year is the year we can start bring George Bush posters to the Arena, and they won't have a reason to bring Reagan posters in 2013.

And if not, then I'll just have to go back to UD to get a 2nd undergrad degree, since the last time we beat 'em down there, I was a freshman.

2 final ranting points regarding the TV coverage:
-Did you know that UD hasn't beaten Xavier in Cincinnati since 1981, when Steve Wolf was a Sophomore on the Xavier squad? I don't think we heard that NEARLY enough during the broadcast - only @ 40-45 times, by my last count.
-How in the %^$#* can CBS Sports assign an announcer to the game, who has such close ties to one of the 2 schools? Wolf is a known toady for the Musties.

And 1 final comment regarding the stripes. They actually seemed fairly competent & unbiased from my seat @ Chumps in Englewood. And there may have been a discrepancy between what was called and not called @ the end of the game, but I thought it took some stones for them to have the guts to T-up Spalding-Face & Da Brat on their own home court. If we'd had the same kind of officiating we used to see when David Waaaah-est was in uniform, we'd have lost by 20. Can't blame this one on the stripes - we just didn't defend the perimeter well enough.
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Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.
Actually - Tu bumped CJ and then fell away like he always does. It should have been a no call since Tu initiated the contact with a slight lean in and then fade away. The shot was still amazing, but should have put them up by 1, not 2. That is in part why he shoots so many foul shots. He initiates a little bump and then falls away hoping for a call.

Even so, X probably plays different D if it is a one point, vs. two point game, so you never know what the outcome would be. I would say that Luke's two missed point blank shots and our inability to stop their penetration had more to do with the loss than that last call.

I am very proud of how the Flyers played, but it was just not quite enough to get the W last night.
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I thought it took some stones for them to have the guts to T-up Spalding-Face & Da Brat on their own home court. If we'd had the same kind of officiating we used to see when David Waaaah-est was in uniform, we'd have lost by 20. Can't blame this one on the stripes - we just didn't defend the perimeter well enough.
Even X fans didn't criticize the "T" calls on their board.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 88flyer View Post
Actually - Tu bumped CJ and then fell away like he always does. It should have been a no call since Tu initiated the contact with a slight lean in and then fade away. The shot was still amazing, but should have put them up by 1, not 2. That is in part why he shoots so many foul shots. He initiates a little bump and then falls away hoping for a call.

Even so, X probably plays different D if it is a one point, vs. two point game, so you never know what the outcome would be. I would say that Luke's two missed point blank shots and our inability to stop their penetration had more to do with the loss than that last call.

I am very proud of how the Flyers played, but it was just not quite enough to get the W last night.
I agree. Could have easily been a no call.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:24 AM
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Face it. This ending up being a 1 possession loss. There are a number of plays that if they went the other way, we could be looking at a W instead of an L and the X fans would be doing what we are doing now. With 1 possession, look no futher than the tip off in OT. They won it, scored and never played from behind.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
Face it. This ending up being a 1 possession loss. There are a number of plays that if they went the other way, we could be looking at a W instead of an L and the X fans would be doing what we are doing now. With 1 possession, look no futher than the tip off in OT. They won it, scored and never played from behind.
Absolutely. It's. Joke we have people jumping off the ledge here. Is there one negative we saw last night that we did not see during the 4 game skid? Of course there's not but there was not the frustration magnitude during those games that there was last night based on the losing streak to X. Luke makes a couple simple layups and/or we get 2-3 more rebounds in the first half and we win the game then everybody on the board is happier than a pig in s____t. So with a W are the problems and issues with the defense swept away?? Of course they're not. It just goes to show you that this one game based on a couple plays in a matter of seconds took us from the drivers seat to the back seat in just seconds. It also proves you're never as good or bad as you think you are.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:54 PM
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The fact Frease won't be there next year is a negative for UD. The reason he didn't start and hardly played, despite being in foul trouble is that X knows Dillard and Kavs kill him on the pick and roll. He cannot defend it, he is too slow. As mentioned above, X's bigs are bad. Props to Archie for running that pick and roll every possible time they could with Frease out there. Mack knew this, this is why he didn't want to play him. He was forced to because those other sorry bigs they have couldn't rebound.

The window is closing or has closed between UD and X. It's now just a matter of time before this streak ends. We now unquestionably have the better coach and we are bringing in better talent. Tu will finally be gone, and I don't see Chris Mack bringing in talent anywhere near that level.

Mack is a big dropoff from Gillen, Prosser, Matta and Miller and its catching up with X. I agree with others, Archie will have a win down there in the matter of 2-3 years tops.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:04 PM
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Frease has gone through the worst regression I have ever seen at Xavier. He was practically useless for them last night. I'm stunned at how bad all of their big men are this year. The new guys they have coming in should have a good shot at tons of minutes when they arrive.
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