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Archie Watch 2017...NC ST AND OTHERS
This topic is coming up in a number of different threads and now that Gottfried has been officially fired I thought it would be a good idea to post all rumors/articles/discussions as it relates to the inevitable coaching carousel that will happening over the next few months with NC State, OSU, Indiana, etc.
David Jablonski on Twitter:
Archie Miller said he has not been contacted by N.C. State.
Archie Miller: "If I'm the best at anything, I'm the best at not paying attention to anything but the task at hand."
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Originally Posted by UDFlyer23
This topic is coming up in a number of different threads and now that Gottfried has been officially fired I thought it would be a good idea to post all rumors/articles/discussions as it relates to the inevitable coaching carousel that will happening over the next few months with NC State, OSU, Indiana, etc.
David Jablonski on Twitter:
Archie Miller said he has not been contacted by N.C. State.
Archie Miller: "If I'm the best at anything, I'm the best at not paying attention to anything but the task at hand."
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I am sure Archie hasn't been contacted by N.C. State, but I am sure that his agent has been. This is how coaches can publicly deny they have spoken to other schools about jobs.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I am sure Archie hasn't been contacted by N.C. State, but I am sure that his agent has been. This is how coaches can publicly deny they have spoken to other schools about jobs.
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Absolutely, no school program or whatever wants to admit they contacted a coach who turned them down or a coach want to admit hes been contacted to upset his present team fans etc.
All discussions are handled by others, agents or persons of interest who know and can act as a go between.
No one wants to show their hand this early in the process or this late in the season in progress and games still left to be plaid.
How many good qualified coaches unemployed are there; besides BG.
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Here is my thought on the whole "Archie Watch".
If UD wasn't a good basketball team we wouldn't have to worry about this topic at all. So be happy that the Flyers are good and enjoy the rest of the season.
After the season is over Archie will weigh his options and make a decision whether to stay or go to one of multiple schools that may offer him a job. At that point we'll either be thanking him for staying, or thanking him for the years he gave us. Don't spend the next 5 weeks being miserable and getting trolled by fans of other teams and schools who want him as their coach. Take it as compliment and enjoy the rest of the season.
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Yeah, it feels like this is the offseason of reckoning. Indiana and Ohio State's natives are restless. He is the supposed "prodigal son" of NC State.
What can we do but sit back and watch?
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Originally Posted by priceg75
Yeah, it feels like this is the offseason of reckoning. Indiana and Ohio State's natives are restless. He is the supposed "prodigal son" of NC State.
What can we do but sit back and watch?
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Unless you have a very large checkbook this is all any of us can do. Maybe Rollo can make him an offer he can't refuse to stay.
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Taking EVERYTHING into consideration Illinois is at-best a lateral move from UD.
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State just fired Gottfried. Get the checkbook out and raise money from the alumni if you have to.
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Originally Posted by OCFlyer85
State just fired Gottfried. Get the checkbook out and raise money from the alumni if you have to.
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Money is not going to be the reason that he leaves and it won't be the reason that he stays.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Money is not going to be the reason that he leaves and it won't be the reason that he stays.
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Don't know what might make him stay or go, personally I don't think he goes anywhere for years to come, but a packed house for the remainder of the season wouldn't hurt the chances of him staying.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I am sure Archie hasn't been contacted by N.C. State, but I am sure that his agent has been. This is how coaches can publicly deny they have spoken to other schools about jobs.
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I thought Archie doesn't have a agent and did everything by himself. Now this could have changed
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Destination job, continuity.
Dayton is a good job,...a very good job,...but not a destination job for coaches. There may be exceptions, of course. But success at UD is essentially a stepping stone, in my opinion.
Perhaps we'll be lucky and have AM for a long time. But that seems unlikely; and this may well be the year we lose him. I don't know any of the assistants. But I hope that one of them stands out and has the ability to replace AM as our head coach.
A coaching change is so disruptive....program continuity should be a priority if at all possible. The women's program emphasized continuity and it's paid off. I only hope we're as lucky with the men's program.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10
I thought Archie doesn't have a agent and did everything by himself. Now this could have changed
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That's what I heard as well. Although maybe had to get one to deal with the "noise" as he has called the speculations every year.
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Just a hunch, but I am guessing dad (John Miller) is a heck of an agent.
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It has to do with money and how the package is setup. There's no way Archie goes to NCState getting payed the same as here, plus Archie probably has a buyout. Now NCState has to pay Gottfried 2.8 mil on his remaining contract. Some schools are probably shock what Archie is getting paid here
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Taking EVERYTHING into consideration Illinois is at-best a lateral move from UD.
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It's a demotion. Good luck reaching the tourney every 4 years.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10
It has to do with money and how the package is setup. There's no way Archie goes to NCState getting payed the same as here, plus Archie probably has a buyout. Now NCState has to pay Gottfried 2.8 mil on his remaining contract. Some schools are probably shock what Archie is getting paid here
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Exactly. Archie is getting more than Gottfried. That program is a dumpster fire right now. You see what happened to BG when left for a middle of the pack P5 school.
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Exactly. Archie is getting more than Gottfried. That program is a dumpster fire right now. You see what happened to BG when left for a middle of the pack P5 school.
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BG's seat was getting pretty warm, that may have factored into his decision to leave for GT.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10
I thought Archie doesn't have a agent and did everything by himself. Now this could have changed
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That's what I heard as well. Although maybe had to get one to deal with the "noise" as he has called the speculations every year.
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I do not know if Archie has an agent or not but if he doesn't I am still sure they have reached out to the people the help Archie and are close to him. Too much smoke out there saying they have already reached out.
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Just my opinion...but, I would think that AM would consider it very distasteful to be contacted during the season.
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Archie may not have an agent, but I'm sure he has an attorney.
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I think if NC State was in a good position with their program and looking for a coach because current coach retiring, has had high levels of recent success and moving on to bigger program, etc.. then AM would be gone and would do a great job in ACC. But that's not the case right now. NCST is a mess and he would not be in a position to succeed.
Why go to a job with pressure to win but a program that is not yet ready to win? In that conference it is much easier to lose then win and I think AM is in the comfortable position and young enough that he can wait for the perfect opportunity to win at a school of his choosing.
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Right now those second tier ACC jobs, and anyone not named Florida or Kentucky in the SEC are set to implode no matter who takes the helm. Archie is so much wiser than that. Now if Sean Miller moved on, hmmm...... But there is no reason he would right now unless that retirement contract in the pros drops in.
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Wait they fired Gottfried, but he will coach till the end of the season. Seriously? That is bizarre. I hope Archie is watching that show.
Not sure money, or any other issue, has anything to do with Archie taking it. It comes down to whether Morgan and Archie have the yearning to go back home.
Interesting that Morgan will be visiting home a week from tomorrow, as she grew up near Davidson. Do you think they will get some pressure from the relatives and natives?
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I don't think he would leave for the Davidson job
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I thought Archie doesn't have a agent and did everything by himself. Now this could have changed
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He has better than an agent......Morgan
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Goodman on espn just now discussing the nc st job. He said according to his sources Archie would be a long shot to want the job.
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Originally Posted by cj
Unless you have a very large checkbook this is all any of us can do. Maybe Rollo can make him an offer he can't refuse to stay.
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Rollo can "knight" him. Sir Archie sounds good to me. Throw in some of the kingdom's estate land and I think we are good for another 6-7 years.
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Two stations down here just had interviews with Archie on the 6 News. He of course gave the usual I love Dayton bit, but went on to say how much NCSt means to him and how he loves the people there. The bad news, and this was my wife's comment, who is not much of a sports fan, "He sure went out of his way to say a lot of nice things about NCSt. He does not sound like a guy who does not want the job."
Of course we can all say if Archie said that he is the Dayton coach and he is not interested in any other job, then that would be the kiss of death. Archie did not say that.
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Well, he is going to be asked about it in interviews from now until he issues a definitive statement that he is not interested or until the job is filled. Hopefully, it does not become a distraction to the team.
Let the parsing of words commence.
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Originally Posted by jack72
Two stations down here just had interviews with Archie on the 6 News.
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Wait, Archie is doing interviews with local news stations in North Carolina?
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I watched that, and it isn't surprising to hear him say good things about his alma mater. I mean, he was asked directly if he had fond memories of the school he attended, so what else is he going to say? Also, he went on to say (WRAL-TV) that after college, people then follow their own path, or words to that effect. I came away from that thinking he's pretty happy with his lot in life as it is. I'm not saying he won't end up at NC State, but I thought he was making it clear it's not forefront in his mind. And that's exactly as it should be. He has plenty of time to figure this out and an important stretch of games to get through in the meantime. Also, it looked like an interview in Dayton that the Raleigh stations merely picked up.
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Originally Posted by The Fly
I watched that, and it isn't surprising to hear him say good things about his alma mater. But he also went on to say (WRAL) that after college, people then follow their own path, or words to that effect. I came away from that thinking he's pretty happy with his lot in life as it is. I'm not saying he won't end up at NC State, but I thought he was making it clear it's not forefront in his mind. And that's exactly as it should be. He has plenty of time to figure this out and an important stretch of games to get through in the meantime. Also, it looked like an interview in Dayton that the Raleigh stations merely picked up.
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Anybody see it on a Dayton station?
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Anybody see it on a Dayton station?
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Yes. This was footage from the typical Thursday afternoon media availability.
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
Wait, Archie is doing interviews with local news stations in North Carolina?
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I'm pretty sure they probably just got the interviews from their Dayton affilliates. Here is a link to it from a Fox 45 guy. I'm sure the NC station cut to just the NC State part at the end.
https://twitter.com/JamesRRider/stat...28182107889665
Is this what you saw jack72?
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
Wait, Archie is doing interviews with local news stations in North Carolina?
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It was Archie doing his regular Thursday Q&A after practice with Dayton media. The stations in the Triad picked it up for their news.
Here is the video clip of him talking about NC State:
https://twitter.com/JamesRRider/stat...28182107889665
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Oh okay, that makes sense. I was gonna say, seems totally out of character for Archie to be doing interviews with out-of-state local news stations in the middle of the basketball season. LOL
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That's the same interview.
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I am pleased to hear his statment about enjoying NCSt but tieing it back to how his current UD players enjoy UD playing in front of large crowds, etc. Also as Fly above stated I very much liked the way he ended the interview stating that in "real life you go on your own path" and that is where he's at today...
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I am sure Archie hasn't been contacted by N.C. State, but I am sure that his agent has been. This is how coaches can publicly deny they have spoken to other schools about jobs.
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I am 100% sure Archie does not have an agent. So impossible for Archie to be contacted via his agent.
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Just a hunch, but I am guessing dad (John Miller) is a heck of an agent.
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100% sure as well John Miller has not and is not being used as an intermediary agent for Archie.
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Archie will NOT go to NC State, Illinois, Missouri, Washington, LSU, Clemson, Georgetown, Arkansas, Kansas State, etc. 1 in 100 chance Archie goes to any of them (previously stated 1/20 for NC State, but Goodman's source had to be Archie and absolutely dumpster fire that make NCAA 4/6 seasons and fired mid-season so up to 1/100 for NC State too).
However, we all should worry about Indiana, Ohio State (only if Thad resigns), Louisville, etc. 1 in 2 chance Archie leaves Dayton if offered a top 15 program like these.
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If he did leave, would any current assistant want, or be considered for, the UD head job?
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With a decent recruiting class coming in this could be a bad year to lose Arch and possibly all those kids. Next year with only one scholarship to give would be a lot better.
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Here's a hint.....if you see Morgan, don't ask her about staying vs going back, she doesn't appreciate it.
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Here's a hint: She ought to be **** grateful her husband this over paid and underworked job in life.
Someone could just tell both of them, if you don't want to be fired midseason in five years; you better keep the gig you got.
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Alternatively, you could just tell her how much you appreciate Archie and how glad you are he is UD's coach!
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Here's a hint: She ought to be **** grateful her husband this over paid and underworked job in life.
Someone could just tell both of them, if you don't want to be fired midseason in five years; you better keep the gig you got.
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Alternatively, you could just tell her how much you appreciate Archie and how glad you are he is UD's coach!
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I did that too, but the damage was done.
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My response was aimed at the silliness of blue minis post.
But yes, I have said what I have said. College basketball coaches make a ton of money for the comparative intellectual work of other peofessions. In other words, they are over paid for work that is not any more important or difficult than dozens of other peofessions.
Many of you act as if this is a pro Bono profession. As if we should beg him to stay. A coach either wants their job, or he doesn't. At some point, there is a limit to how much money, fringe, and arse kissing that you can offer, before it becomes diminishing.
But my original response was to blue minis for thinking they needed to remind the rest of us on how to act or what not say.
Morgan hasn't suffered because she is married to the head basketball coach. Quite the contrary! If they leave, so be it!
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach
My response was aimed at the silliness of blue minis post.
But yes, I have said what I have said. College basketball coaches make a ton of money for the comparative intellectual work of other peofessions. In other words, they are over paid for work that is not any more important or difficult than dozens of other peofessions.
Many of you act as if this is a pro Bono profession. As if we should beg him to stay. A coach either wants their job, or he doesn't. At some point, there is a limit to how much money, fringe, and arse kissing that you can offer, before it becomes diminishing.
But my original response was to blue minis for thinking they needed to remind the rest of us on how to act or what not say.
Morgan hasn't suffered because she is married to the head basketball coach. Quite the contrary! If they leave, so be it!
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Just saw your reply while I was editing my previous post.
You are nuts if you think college basketball coaches shouldn't make the money they do because they "make a ton of money for the comparative intellectual work of other peofessions." Do you have the "intellectual" ability to coach a D1 college basketball team which involves way more than just coaching a game because it take a lot of thought and planning to run a D1 basketball program? Are you on call 24 hours a day for 365 days a year? Did you work your way up as a poorly paid assistant coach? Does Archie's successful team help promote the overall University? Does Archie's team winning help the athletic department funding the rest of it's teams? Do you get criticized all the time on internet message boards pretty much every game win or lose? I can go on if you need me to.
Also the amount of "intellectual work" a person does has nothing to do with how much money they make. The Kardashians make a ton of money and I can guarantee they don't do a whole lot of "intellectual work".
As for Morgan I would be annoyed and upset with people asking me in public if I wanted to go to NC State (or whatever BlueMiniS said) if I were her. People should simply leave her alone and at most say something along the lines of "Can't wait for the game Saturday". I for one would say absolutely nothing to her. Let her live her life in peace. She and Archie know people want them to be here and some random fan saying something about the situation doesn't help anything.
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Awesome. This makes 3 threads about Archie POTENTIALLY leaving.
R-E-L-A-X. Archie isn't going anywhere.
Also, why is Ohio State constantly referred to as a Top 15 program?
Archie is king. Archie has arguably the best recruiting class coming in he's ever had. Archie has a 6'10" kid coming in that is the brother of one of the Top 5 players in the NBA, plus he can handle the ball. Archie has more job security then the Queen of England.
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Originally Posted by C-time
Just saw your reply while I was editing my previous post.
You are nuts if you think college basketball coaches shouldn't make the money they do because they "make a ton of money for the comparative intellectual work of other peofessions." Do you have the "intellectual" ability to coach a D1 college basketball team which involves way more than just coaching a game because it take a lot of thought and planning to run a D1 basketball program? Are you on call 24 hours a day for 365 days a year? Did you work your way up as a poorly paid assistant coach? Does Archie's successful team help promote the overall University? Does Archie's team winning help the athletic department funding the rest of it's teams? Do you get criticized all the time on internet message boards pretty much every game win or lose? I can go on if you need me to.
Also the amount of "intellectual work" a person does has nothing to do with how much money they make. The Kardashians make a ton of money and I can guarantee they don't do a whole lot of "intellectual work".
As for Morgan I would be annoyed and upset with people asking me in public if I wanted to go to NC State (or whatever BlueMiniS said) if I were her. People should simply leave her alone and at most say something along the lines of "Can't wait for the game Saturday". I for one would say absolutely nothing to her. Let her live her life in peace. She and Archie know people want them to be here and some random fan saying something about the situation doesn't help anything.
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This reminds me of when Chris Alvarez played for UD. His mom came from Miami to see him play once, and I saw her at the Arena at the souvenir stand. I approached her and told her how much my wife and I enjoyed watching him play. She threw her arms around me and began crying on my shoulder telling me how happy she was the fans accepted her son and how well he was treated at UD. She was so thankful I told her that.
Of course he transferred at the end of the season, so take it for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by C-time
Just saw your reply while I was editing my previous post.
You are nuts if you think college basketball coaches shouldn't make the money they do because they "make a ton of money for the comparative intellectual work of other peofessions." Do you have the "intellectual" ability to coach a D1 college basketball team which involves way more than just coaching a game because it take a lot of thought and planning to run a D1 basketball program? Are you on call 24 hours a day for 365 days a year? Did you work your way up as a poorly paid assistant coach? Does Archie's successful team help promote the overall University? Does Archie's team winning help the athletic department funding the rest of it's teams? Do you get criticized all the time on internet message boards pretty much every game win or lose? I can go on if you need me to.
Also the amount of "intellectual work" a person does has nothing to do with how much money they make. The Kardashians make a ton of money and I can guarantee they don't do a whole lot of "intellectual work".
As for Morgan I would be annoyed and upset with people asking me in public if I wanted to go to NC State (or whatever BlueMiniS said) if I were her. People should simply leave her alone and at most say something along the lines of "Can't wait for the game Saturday". I for one would say absolutely nothing to her. Let her live her life in peace. She and Archie know people want them to be here and some random fan saying something about the situation doesn't help anything.
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While you're pretty much correct in everything you say there's the elephant-in-the-room that has not been discussed: The amount of interest, $ and overall value to the product, the UD and Flyer brand, and the contribution that the successful programs (which UD is certainly now) bring to what is a multi-billion dollar entity....We can discuss all day the real importance of all of this in regards to teachers, cops, fireman, and the researcher working 24/7 in finding ways to defeat cancer but when the NCAA and CBS/ESPN sign billion plus dollar deals there's a huge relevance somewhere in there.
While Archie did not invent the wheel, the game of basketball, the UD brand, or the play-in games, he's taken what has already been established to new national heights never been seen before at the school regarding the financial success, notoriety, and interest levels. A dollar value is certainly put on that, thus, the reason Archie is every bit worth what he is being paid presently and probably more as he and the program flex more muscle.
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As the apparent ASN regular watcher, happened on the Hofstra/CollegeOfCharleston game last night. They finished way early (15 minutes before 9), so they went to the studio where ASN College Basketball Analyst, Mark Adams (hometown coach) was on.
They did the take on the CAA, moved to the CUSA, then poof, straight to Gottfried being canned.
They listed 5 people. Cronin, but stated he's turned them down before. Archie, who Adams said "should be their #1 choice". Keatts (UNC Wilmington?). Marshall ("He's making 3.5 million in Wichita") and Wade.
Mark Adams then said, paraphrashing, "I know NC State fans are going to call me crazy, but the Dayton job is better than the NC State job. It's true, Dayton is better than NC State. Do you sell out your arena during your out-of-conference schedule? Dayton does. Dayton fans are always there, and the university supports their basketball team like no other. If I were to give advice to Archie, it would be to stay in Dayton."
Awesome to hear. Granted, I was probably the only one watching in America, but I did hear it.
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As the apparent ASN regular watcher, happened on the Hofstra/CollegeOfCharleston game last night. They finished way early (15 minutes before 9), so they went to the studio where ASN College Basketball Analyst, Mark Adams (hometown coach) was on.
They did the take on the CAA, moved to the CUSA, then poof, straight to Gottfried being canned.
They listed 5 people. Cronin, but stated he's turned them down before. Archie, who Adams said "should be their #1 choice". Keatts (UNC Wilmington?). Marshall ("He's making 3.5 million in Wichita") and Wade.
Mark Adams then said, paraphrashing, "I know NC State fans are going to call me crazy, but the Dayton job is better than the NC State job. It's true, Dayton is better than NC State. Do you sell out your arena during your out-of-conference schedule? Dayton does. Dayton fans are always there, and the university supports their basketball team like no other. If I were to give advice to Archie, it would be to stay in Dayton."
Awesome to hear. Granted, I was probably the only one watching in America, but I did hear it.
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Like during the broadcast of our comeback vs Duquesne last year with crowd going nuts when Mark (again) stated, "this is why UD Arena is the best venue in college basketball!" (paraphrasing). His play-by-play partner said, "at least tonight"....to which Mark quickly responded: "every night!"
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Geno's name comes up just about every year under the "why not" thought pattern, so I'm not sure I'd call it out of left field. Personally, I'd love to see him do it, at this point what his there to accomplish in the women's game? I have little doubt that he could coach very well in the Men's game as well, basketball is basketball and he clearly knows basketball. The biggest issue that he would face is the unrealistic expectations that would be heaped upon him. People would call him a failure at anything less than a final 4. On the women's side he gets most of the top players, and keeps them around 4 years to develop, he wouldn't get that luxury in the men's game.
On the NC State job in general, I thought this was an interesting piece:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...ouch-that-job/
In following their boards off and on for the last month or so, I've picked up the exact same vibe. Their expectations are so off the charts high that I don't think they even realize the challenge they are facing.
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Thanks.. that was a well thought out analysis of the NCst job and AM future. I agree that NCst should pursue AM and that he will politely decline but if/when OSU opens up I think he is taking that job. I wish he would stay at UD forever but great coaches do not stay at their first job forever and AM deserves the chance to be a great coach.
As others have stated, you can not be an A10 team that is both winning in the NCAA and has a coach that P5 schools do not want. If you win, your coach will be coveted.
We need to enjoy the ride and be thankful that we are winning and have a coach that others want. Xavier showed that you can sustain success at this level but you need to keep finding quality coaches.
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Providence College toyed with the Auriema idea a number of years ago and I think they were very close to making it happen.
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Take it for what it's worth, but I have talked to some people that are in the know when it comes to coaching searches. The names I continue to hear are Chris Holtmann and Will Wade for the NC State job. It is still extremely early, I am sure NC State will still make are run at Archie (As they should), but those are the 2 names that I have heard to lookout for. Like I said, take it for what it's worth. You can never really predict how these searches will go, especially this far out. But Holtmann and Wade are who I would watch.
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Have heard if Brownell doesn't get to the NCAAs at Clemson this year, Wade would be their top choice. Wade was their Director of Basketball Ops for a couple of years and graduated from there.
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And I bet Shaka is ready to come back to VCU. Great city and university in Austin and great contract, but I hope Archie is taking note of where that has gone.
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Better ACC jobs than NC State:
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Better ACC jobs than NC State:
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Good article. Can you imagine the amount of publicity that hiring Geno would generate.
My initial reaction was I wonder if teenage boys would be reticent to play for a "girls's coach" regardless of his success out of some misplaced feeling of machismo or peer pressure. But then I thought that a kid (and the people in his ear) might recognize the opportunity for publicity. Interesting to consider even if it is unlikely.
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Archie wants to win championships, at UD he will be in the hunt every year. At NC ST maybe one in 5 years. I think if Indiana opens he would consider it. Biggest fear is OSU of course.
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This article is a year old, but worth revisiting. Not saying Curran speaks for Archie, but I would assume they had discussed Archie's long term plans.
He mentions there are 8-10 jobs that you couldn't pass over. The other thing he mentions (which worries me a little) is how big a factor the current senior class is.
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...6UF6JAZzehtgP/
I try not to worry too much about all of this. Someone else mentioned this (I should find it and thank them for the post!), but if he does go to another school it will mean we were able to enjoy several years of sustained success. We should be thankful for that.
And if he stays - even better.
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If I only thought this would work Every year its the same old thing. I guess some people enjoy speculating so that some day they can say I told you so. Whatever we say on this board is not going to make a difference. Enjoy the moment
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Just to play devils advocate - Cralford, if we did what you suggest "whatever we say on this board is not going to make a difference. Enjoy the moment" wouldn't that defeat the purpose of message boards? Isn't UDPride designed to be a place where we can discuss meaningless topics ad nauseam with people who share a love for UD?
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While you're pretty much correct in everything you say there's the elephant-in-the-room that has not been discussed: The amount of interest, $ and overall value to the product, the UD and Flyer brand, and the contribution that the successful programs (which UD is certainly now) bring to what is a multi-billion dollar entity....We can discuss all day the real importance of all of this in regards to teachers, cops, fireman, and the researcher working 24/7 in finding ways to defeat cancer but when the NCAA and CBS/ESPN sign billion plus dollar deals there's a huge relevance somewhere in there.
While Archie did not invent the wheel, the game of basketball, the UD brand, or the play-in games, he's taken what has already been established to new national heights never been seen before at the school regarding the financial success, notoriety, and interest levels. A dollar value is certainly put on that, thus, the reason Archie is every bit worth what he is being paid presently and probably more as he and the program flex more muscle.
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Good point. From the perspective of the college BB game, I have no doubt Coach Miller is worth what UD pays him. The larger, more interesting, question is: Why does a university need to be in the entertainment business to maximize its brand recognition?
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Good point. From the perspective of the college BB game, I have no doubt Coach Miller is worth what UD pays him. The larger, more interesting, question is: Why does a university need to be in the entertainment business to maximize its brand recognition?
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Because high school kids live in a bubble and they eventually become students and pay tuition. I had no idea the University of Dayton even existed until I was watching them play in a basketball game on TV. Sure kids in Ohio probably know and guidance counselors at Catholic high schools probably point out UD as an option but beyond that some people have never heard of UD.
Except those Chinese kids listening to the Mandarin broadcasts of the games!
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Because high school kids live in a bubble and they eventually become students and pay tuition. I had no idea the University of Dayton even existed until I was watching them play in a basketball game on TV. Sure kids in Ohio probably know and guidance counselors at Catholic high schools probably point out UD as an option but beyond that some people have never heard of UD.
Except those Chinese kids listening to the Mandarin broadcasts of the games!
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But then they come to UD and don't go to games. See Students thread.
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But then they come to UD and don't go to games. See Students thread.
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Because high school kids live in a bubble and they eventually become students and pay tuition. I had no idea the University of Dayton even existed until I was watching them play in a basketball game on TV. Sure kids in Ohio probably know and guidance counselors at Catholic high schools probably point out UD as an option but beyond that some people have never heard of UD.
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Tom Crean will get fired at Indiana for one probable non-NCAAT year? I am skeptical.
Indiana Hoosiers (Big Ten Conference) (2008–present)
2008–09 Indiana 6–25 1–17 11th
2009–10 Indiana 10–21 4–14 T–9th
2010–11 Indiana 12–20 3–15 11th
2011–12 Indiana 27–9 11–7 5th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2012–13 Indiana 29–7 14–4 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Indiana 17–15 7–11 T–8th
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2016–17 Indiana 15–12 5–9
Indiana: 163–131 (.554) 69–89 (.437)
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It is all marketing. I went to a small school Hillsdale College. I probably only became aware of it because I saw Chester Marcol kick for the Green Bay Packers. Sports for the vast majority of people is entertainment and marketing.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Tom Crean will get fired at Indiana for one probable non-NCAAT year? I am skeptical.
Indiana Hoosiers (Big Ten Conference) (2008–present)
2008–09 Indiana 6–25 1–17 11th
2009–10 Indiana 10–21 4–14 T–9th
2010–11 Indiana 12–20 3–15 11th
2011–12 Indiana 27–9 11–7 5th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2012–13 Indiana 29–7 14–4 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Indiana 17–15 7–11 T–8th
2014–15 Indiana 20–14 9–9 T–7th NCAA Round of 64
2015–16 Indiana 27–8 15–3 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2016–17 Indiana 15–12 5–9
Indiana: 163–131 (.554) 69–89 (.437)
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He'll get fired for never getting past the Sweet sixteen in 9 seasons. It's Indiana, they think they are God's gift to basketball. This is unacceptable.
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02-17-2017, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dogdaddy
Just to play devils advocate - Cralford, if we did what you suggest "whatever we say on this board is not going to make a difference. Enjoy the moment" wouldn't that defeat the purpose of message boards? Isn't UDPride designed to be a place where we can discuss meaningless topics ad nauseam with people who share a love for UD?
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Yeh, you are probably right Dog Daddy. As long as it makes you feel better go for it man I was just concerned some people were actually fretting over this
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Originally Posted by priceg75
He'll get fired for never getting past the Sweet sixteen in 9 seasons. It's Indiana, they think they are God's gift to basketball. This is unacceptable.
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Crean's whole act/demeanor is a little strange too. Fans can look past that kind of stuff when you are living up to their expectations(inflated as IU fans are), but if you aren't they use all those weird things he does against him. It's almost like he's trying to be like his brother-in-law Jim Harbaugh.
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Everybody look what's going down
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92-52 vs. 90-47
Those are the coaching records after 4 years for Mark Gottfried and Archie Miller, respectively. Gottfried has 4 NCAA appearances in 6 years as will Archie after this year. One could argue that AM and Dayton are heading in a different direction than Gottfried and NC St. are headed and that is right.
I would argue that, while we would, as a fan base, not be happy to have two mediocre seasons; however, would the fan base call for Archie's job after two mediocre seasons? THAT is why the NC St. job is a poor choice for AM!
From a different perspective, I would ask how does NC St. compare to the UNC's, Duke's, Louisville's, and Syracuse's of the ACC vs. UD in the A10? UD has a huge competitive advantage against its peers that is not available to the head coach at NC St.
I believe AM will look at the NC St. job through these two aspects and decide to stay put FOR THE TIME BEING.
The same cannot be said for the Indiana and OSU jobs which are very similar to the job at Arizona. In the PAC 12, Arizona was right there with UCLA. The Miller's are not stupid...
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Originally Posted by jack72
And I bet Shaka is ready to come back to VCU. Great city and university in Austin and great contract, but I hope Archie is taking note of where that has gone.
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I believe Texas has a top ten recruiting class coming in. I know they're lousy this year, but they don't have a point guard, and would probably be a lot better had he not kicked Tevin Mack of the team. And, good for him because that took a lot of balls and it showed he's not under pressure to the point of being unwilling to send a message. Mack may be allowed back next year, so if he's back, and they have this recruiting class coming in which includes a player who's expected to be one of the better point guards in the country, Texas should be fine. I don't think he has any regrets, nor do I think he won't be able to win. Most Texas fans I know actually feel really good about things.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
I would argue that, while we would, as a fan base, not be happy to have two mediocre seasons; however, would the fan base call for Archie's job after two mediocre seasons? THAT is why the NC St. job is a poor choice for AM!
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Some posters were calling for Archie's head in the middle of his third season.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
Those are the coaching records after 4 years for Mark Gottfried and Archie Miller, respectively. Gottfried has 4 NCAA appearances in 6 years as will Archie after this year. One could argue that AM and Dayton are heading in a different direction than Gottfried and NC St. are headed and that is right.
I would argue that, while we would, as a fan base, not be happy to have two mediocre seasons; however, would the fan base call for Archie's job after two mediocre seasons? THAT is why the NC St. job is a poor choice for AM!
From a different perspective, I would ask how does NC St. compare to the UNC's, Duke's, Louisville's, and Syracuse's of the ACC vs. UD in the A10? UD has a huge competitive advantage against its peers that is not available to the head coach at NC St.
I believe AM will look at the NC St. job through these two aspects and decide to stay put FOR THE TIME BEING.
The same cannot be said for the Indiana and OSU jobs which are very similar to the job at Arizona. In the PAC 12, Arizona was right there with UCLA. The Miller's are not stupid...
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I have been saying for awhile that there were only @ a dozen jobs in the country for which Archie would leave UD. Not to speak for the man, but it's obvious he's a guy who doesn't take a back seat to anyone for long. For that reason, I think he'll avoid a "football factory" school, and for that reason, I'm not so sure that he takes tOSU if offered.
Indiana, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. Football is an afterthought there. Hoops is king. And if Crean can't satisfy the masses, I think they'll come knocking on Archie's doorstep, and that would be a difficult offer for him to refuse. Imagine having the opportunity to be the guy who restores that program to Knight-era glory.
I see IU, Louisville, UK, Kansas, and a handful of others as the most likely "destination" jobs for Archie. It's going to have to be someplace that has what UD can already offer in terms of a rabid fan base and fairly consistent University support. It'll also need to afford him a decent shot at Sweet Sixteens (or better) 3 out of every 4 years (and we could make it 2 out of 4 with a good closing run this year), and the heftier paycheck that comes from "state school money". I think he and his family like it here, and we as a fan base need to do what we can to make sure they stay comfortable here. Beyond that, it's out of our hands.
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