Make it a Home Game for Providence This Week

[ruechalgrin]

If Dayton fans want to get into the Big East, a very small but important step, is to be very gracious to Providence and root for them. MAKE IT A HOME GAME FOR PROVIDENCE.

A number of reasons:

(1) It was unfair for Providence to be a 6 seed playing 11 seed Dayton 90 minutes from Dayton. If Dayton was a 6 seed playing 11 seed Providence in Boston, we would have been upset too. We got jobbed being in the First 4, but both Boise State and Providence got jobbed too.

(2) Xavier has a narrative with the Big East that Dayton fans are terrible and we do not want that type of program in the BE. Let's show the President of Providence and the Athletic Director what a great atmosphere we have at UD Arena.

(3) Providence is a Catholic School that is very similar to U.D. USC could not be more dissimilar. Let's show the President of Providence and Athletic Director want a great institutional fit we are.

(4) Archie and Ed Cooley are good friends from the U19 National Team (Coaches are Sean Miller, Archie Miller, and Ed Cooley). A Friend of Archie is a friend of mine.

ROOT FOR PROVIDENCE THIS WEEK IN DAYTON.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

Or don't because it won't make a difference

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin (2) Xavier has a narrative with the Big East that Dayton fans are terrible and we do not want that type of program in the BE. Let's show the President of Providence and the Athletic Director what a great atmosphere we have at UD Arena..

The NCAA knows what kind of fans we have in Dayton. So does everyone else that pays attention. If the Big East wanted us, we'd be in by now. If it's because they believe our, until recently, most hated rival that our fan base is poorly behaved, OF COURSE WE'RE POORLY BEHAVED AGAINST OUR RIVAL.

Eff Xavier. Eff the Big East. We've had success without them and will continue to do so. Go USC.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Fudd]

I prefer to adopt whoever they are playing and root for them as if they were the Dayton Flyers. We are now on our fourth NCAA Tournament berth in a row. I would say the A10 is working out nicely for us. We don't need a different conference to make people realize that we have a program.

[T-Bone 84]

If I was going (and I can't-my busy season), I'd probably root for Providence because:
(a) They're a Catholic school;
(b) They seemed to be indifferent toward our desire to join the NBE (as opposed to other institutions that seemingly black-balled us);
(c) USC used to beat tOSU in the Rose Bowl when I first started following Buckeye football; and
(d) Now that I married into a family that's Notre Dame fans, I have 1 more reason to dislike their athletic department.
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[Beatty Town Coach]

So your argument rest on Dayton will get in the big East if UD fans root for providence; and Providence and UD both promote moral teachings of the Catholic Church???

Oh my dear Lord, my gut hurts...it's about to bust.

Ruechalgrin, you need a pot of coffee to sober up. I hope the little eastern group gets beat-down in every game, of every year, until the end of time.

[maddog07]

Just plain dumb
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[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach So your argument rest on Dayton will get in the big East if UD fans root for providence; and Providence and UD both promote moral teachings of the Catholic Church??? Oh my dear Lord, my gut hurts...it's about to bust. Ruechalgrin, you need a pot of coffee to sober up. I hope the little eastern group gets beat-down in every game, of every year, until the end of time.

As I said, little things matter (did not say this would get Dayton into the Big East - you are misrepresenting my point). Relationships matter. To have the President and AD of Providence have a great experience is important. The Presidents vote on membership to the Big East. People have feelings and remember positive experiences and negative experiences. The NCAA experience is big even for Presidents of Universities and they will have a heightened sense of awareness. Let's make it positive.

Not dispositive, but my experience in business is that relationships and customer experience matter more than other things. Why did Creighton get in and Dayton did not, relationships, relationships, relationships.

Small step, but let's start the small steps with Providence this week. Costs Dayton fans zero, all upside and no downside. Why wouldn't all Dayton fans participate in something that has zero downside and

Beatty Town Coach, not big into personal attacks. But my guess is you are not in the relationship or customer experience business (could be wrong, but you post indicates it). There is a lot of statistical evidence on moments of truth and customer experience and how it establishes long-term brand connections.

Instead of misrepresenting what I said and then personal attacks, I would hope a Dayton degree would have given you a platform for a more logical response.

[TerryK_67]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin .... Why did Creighton get in and Dayton did not.... ......

It begins with J and ends with T! And no Dominican Friar is gonna change that!

[Beatty Town Coach]

The way for the Providence administration to have a good experience, is to win the game. That's on them, not on any UD fan

I know what you are driving at, and in business that can work, but if that's why UD wasn't invited to the BE, then we better stay light years away from the big east.

UD looks silly begging and pleading to be liked by the other big East kids. SILLY!!!!

[Smitty10]

I have a feeling that the crowd is going to be for Providence for many reason, the ones your present aren't any of them. They're closer(after all, they do have a conference team within 60 miles of us). USC doesn't drum up any warm and fuzzies, they are looked at from the midwest as UCLA light. Providence isn't Xavier and we've actually had a long, consistent history of success against them. The most passionate fans there for that game will be for Providence.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[sheg]

Do it for any of a million reasons, but don't do it for the Big East. See, those decisions are made by sober, rational, grownup college presidents that couldn't give two ****s about fans' opinions.

That said, I think the administration at Xavier has rational reasons to desire that Dayton not be a member of the same conference, that those reasons have nothing to do with petty fans and rivalries, and that their fellow college presidents will respect their colleague's wishes in that regard.

Root for whomever you wish. I'll be rooting for Providence.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin (2) Xavier has a narrative with the Big East that Dayton fans are terrible and we do not want that type of program in the BE. Let's show the President of Providence and the Athletic Director what a great atmosphere we have at UD Arena.

This narrative does absolutely exist...many X fans talk crap about UD fans all the time...many X fans actively campaign against UD getting into the BE.

[UDGutter2]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin As I said, little things matter (did not say this would get Dayton into the Big East - you are misrepresenting my point). Relationships matter. To have the President and AD of Providence have a great experience is important. The Presidents vote on membership to the Big East. People have feelings and remember positive experiences and negative experiences. The NCAA experience is big even for Presidents of Universities and they will have a heightened sense of awareness. Let's make it positive. Not dispositive, but my experience in business is that relationships and customer experience matter more than other things. Why did Creighton get in and Dayton did not, relationships, relationships, relationships. Small step, but let's start the small steps with Providence this week. Costs Dayton fans zero, all upside and no downside. Why wouldn't all Dayton fans participate in something that has zero downside and Beatty Town Coach, not big into personal attacks. But my guess is you are not in the relationship or customer experience business (could be wrong, but you post indicates it). There is a lot of statistical evidence on moments of truth and customer experience and how it establishes long-term brand connections. Instead of misrepresenting what I said and then personal attacks, I would hope a Dayton degree would have given you a platform for a more logical response.

Rooting for them or against them will not affect how they feel or what they believe about Dayton fans, it is how you act while cheering either way. You can cheer against a team, while still being gracious hosts.

[CT Flyer]

So the BE might not be good with "terrible" Dayton fans but they're OK with the thugs that X regularly puts on the floor?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin If Dayton fans want to get into the Big East, a very small but important step, is to be very gracious to Providence and root for them. MAKE IT A HOME GAME FOR PROVIDENCE. A number of reasons: (1) It was unfair for Providence to be a 6 seed playing 11 seed Dayton 90 minutes from Dayton. If Dayton was a 6 seed playing 11 seed Providence in Boston, we would have been upset too. We got jobbed being in the First 4, but both Boise State and Providence got jobbed too. (2) Xavier has a narrative with the Big East that Dayton fans are terrible and we do not want that type of program in the BE. Let's show the President of Providence and the Athletic Director what a great atmosphere we have at UD Arena. (3) Providence is a Catholic School that is very similar to U.D. USC could not be more dissimilar. Let's show the President of Providence and Athletic Director want a great institutional fit we are. (4) Archie and Ed Cooley are good friends from the U19 National Team (Coaches are Sean Miller, Archie Miller, and Ed Cooley). A Friend of Archie is a friend of mine. ROOT FOR PROVIDENCE THIS WEEK IN DAYTON.

You really have no clue how this stuff works do you? Do you think they let Rutgers into the Big10 because their fans cheered them on at the NCAA tournament sites when it is in East Rutherford? I have a bridge for sale if you really believe this. It's all about money and what teams bring. They could care less if our fans root for their fans.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Source]

m21eagle 45 is correct. Heck most X fans really do not care about UD anymore. I wish them the best against Wichita.

[Gazoo]

Root against Providence and root lowd, so Providence knows just how passionate UD fans really are.

Let them know that UD's rabid fan base makes an insane atmosphere, one of the best in college BB, and is a great addition to any conference up to and including the ACC.

[Bucketnight]

It doesn't matter that X fans don't like UD fans. As best my small mind can recall, that works both ways. I sincerely doubt the school presidents factor those opinions. Using that as an excuse to root for or against seems to scream insecurity.

[NJFlyr71]

Silliest thing I ever heard

So we approach this as "Let's be nice to them, so they will be nice to us"? syndrome.

Now I don't mean be disrespectful toward them ... just be respectfully LOWD cheering against them!

[cj]

The UD inferiority complex kicks in again.

[Browns]

I'll be cheering for both teams! I think everyone who plays is a winner.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Browns I'll be cheering for both teams! I think everyone who plays is a winner.

With a name like 'Browns' your way of thinking is not a surprise.

[NJFlyr71]

Based on the thought behind this Thread I have something to do .................


"Bless me Father for I have sinned. I have had many evil thoughts about the BE. "

[oRed]

OMG, this is an easy 1. Enjoy SC's cheerleaders and pep band and root for the Catholics over the Convicts.

[shocka43]

If anyone needs tickets for Wednesday, PM me. 110 Row G. Face value and I'll throw in parking. Tickets are 65 each. 2 seats available.

[MrFlyerFanatic]

Two years ago Ed Cooley claimed the team playing in Dayton has an advantage in the next round because the opponent doesn't know who to game plan for.
Since Providence apparently doesn't have to game plan for USC and is already planning for and unsuspecting SMU squad, I'm rooting for USC just because I want SMU to have a fair chance on Friday.

[moville]

How can anyone pull for the Friars with the USC Song Girls in the house.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 You really have no clue how this stuff works do you? Do you think they let Rutgers into the Big10 because their fans cheered them on at the NCAA tournament sites when it is in East Rutherford? I have a bridge for sale if you really believe this. It's all about money and what teams bring. They could care less if our fans root for their fans.

Your conventional and skimming the surface thinking would last about two minutes in Silicon Valley, maybe less.

Why did Creighton get into the Big East and why did Dayton not get into the Big East? Expected $ return for the Big East for both schools was about the same in terms of TV market size, fan base traveling to away games/BE Tournament, reputation of programs (Creighton has never won 2 consecutive NCAA games), etc., etc. Arguments could be had on both sides. But bottom-line there was very little difference in how much $ Creighton or Dayton would make the Big East.

Creighton got in over Dayton because they had better relationships with Presidents and Athletic Directors in the Big East and they had a few champions among Presidents/ADs (like Marquette) who really pushed for their inclusion.

If and when the Big East expands, we want great relationships with Presidents, Athletic Directors, and even key donors at those schools -- all these constituents will be in Dayton this week -- so we have champions for our case when there are two schools with similar profiles competing for a space in the Big East. Let's help create those advocates and champions.

My company trains our sales team on long-term relationship building and one of the key focus areas is creating small memorable moments as the statistical causation between small memorable moments and long-term profitable relationships is high. Conversely, one bad memorable moment can set-back relationship building for years. Hence, we orchestrate everything when we have individuals we are are trying to build relationships with, from the smallest to the biggest things, whenever they visit our campus or we visit theirs. We go down to small details like interviewing drivers who will drive them from San Francisco Airport to our campus.

The biggest thing for Providence this week will be whether they win or lose. A bunch of studies show home teams 3-5 points better in college basketball than a neutral court. One of the big reasons is that fans actually influence referees (sorry Rollo, but it has been shown refs want to please the home crowd) and teams respond to positive encouragement as well (Providence will not get the advantage of no travel, familiar arena, etc.). So we could help Providence win even if the home crowd support would be ever so slight. At my company, we would try to help influence even small things like this. Admittedly, this will be a very very small impact if any.

The other aspect is how they are treated in Dayton including fan support. Greg Marshall of Wichita State, his President, and AD all rave about their treatment at UD last year. When we want to schedule a home and home with them, little things like this matter. We want the Providence President, AD, and key donors to walk out with a great experience in Dayton, small, but a bunch of small memorable moments equal a good brand impression. I want Dayton to not only have a good, but actually leave a great brand impression on key decision makers who we are actively trying to influence.

Bunch of studies that show small memorable moments can help further long-term relationships, why wouldn't Dayton fans help create some of those small memorable moments for key decision makers at Providence? This is a no brainer for me. The President, AD, and donors of Providence are key decision-makers in our bid to get into the Big East. Why wouldn't Dayton and its fans do everything possible to give them a fantastic experience including a home crowd at UD Arena?!?!?!

[CE80]

So rue, what do you do when the NCAA decides to award the First Four to another city because the USC people complain that UD was using the First Four games as a marketing tool to get into the Big East and it is not fair when their fans all root for the BE teams?

[Medford]

he's a novel idea, why not cheer for (hopefully) great basketball, nothing more, nothing less.

[ClevelandFlyer05]

If the Big East were formed tomorrow from scratch with no prior history, Providence probably wouldn't be a member. They're a legacy program that I suspect has little pull in swaying other members on issues such as expansion. I'm not saying that we should be disrespectful, but I don't think it matters much to bend over backwards for their administrators, players, and fans.

Regardless of any of that, I will certainly be rooting against every single Big East team in every single tournament game this year, as in every year.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Your conventional and skimming the surface thinking would last about two minutes in Silicon Valley, maybe less. Why did Creighton get into the Big East and why did Dayton not get into the Big East? Expected $ return for the Big East for both schools was about the same in terms of TV market size, fan base traveling to away games/BE Tournament, reputation of programs (Creighton has never won 2 consecutive NCAA games), etc., etc. Arguments could be had on both sides. But bottom-line there was very little difference in how much $ Creighton or Dayton would make the Big East. Creighton got in over Dayton because they had better relationships with Presidents and Athletic Directors in the Big East and they had a few champions among Presidents/ADs (like Marquette) who really pushed for their inclusion. If and when the Big East expands, we want great relationships with Presidents, Athletic Directors, and even key donors at those schools -- all these constituents will be in Dayton this week -- so we have champions for our case when there are two schools with similar profiles competing for a space in the Big East. Let's help create those advocates and champions. My company trains our sales team on long-term relationship building and one of the key focus areas is creating small memorable moments as the statistical causation between small memorable moments and long-term profitable relationships is high. Conversely, one bad memorable moment can set-back relationship building for years. Hence, we orchestrate everything when we have individuals we are are trying to build relationships with, from the smallest to the biggest things, whenever they visit our campus or we visit theirs. We go down to small details like interviewing drivers who will drive them from San Francisco Airport to our campus. The biggest thing for Providence this week will be whether they win or lose. A bunch of studies show home teams 3-5 points better in college basketball than a neutral court. One of the big reasons is that fans actually influence referees (sorry Rollo, but it has been shown refs want to please the home crowd) and teams respond to positive encouragement as well (Providence will not get the advantage of no travel, familiar arena, etc.). So we could help Providence win even if the home crowd support would be ever so slight. At my company, we would try to help influence even small things like this. Admittedly, this will be a very very small impact if any. The other aspect is how they are treated in Dayton including fan support. Greg Marshall of Wichita State, his President, and AD all rave about their treatment at UD last year. When we want to schedule a home and home with them, little things like this matter. We want the Providence President, AD, and key donors to walk out with a great experience in Dayton, small, but a bunch of small memorable moments equal a good brand impression. I want Dayton to not only have a good, but actually leave a great brand impression on key decision makers who we are actively trying to influence. Bunch of studies that show small memorable moments can help further long-term relationships, why wouldn't Dayton fans help create some of those small memorable moments for key decision makers at Providence? This is a no brainer for me. The President, AD, and donors of Providence are key decision-makers in our bid to get into the Big East. Why wouldn't Dayton and its fans do everything possible to give them a fantastic experience including a home crowd at UD Arena?!?!?!

Wow... that's a lot of typing. It just doesn't support your argument. There will be many small moments, good and bad. The way the crowd conducts itself is far more important than the rooting interest.

For the record, you may want to let the nice self congratulatory people of silicon valley know that most industries have actually figured out the concept of small moments, surprise and delight moments, etc as well. Actually, sports venues have been working on it for years. It's a lot easier to control the actions of one driver than it is a crowd.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Root against Providence and root lowd, so Providence knows just how passionate UD fans really are. Let them know that UD's rabid fan base makes an insane atmosphere, one of the best in college BB, and is a great addition to any conference up to and including the ACC.

Yes, make the Friar fans so angry that they want to beat our butts two or even three times a year.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by Bucketnight Wow... that's a lot of typing. It just doesn't support your argument. There will be many small moments, good and bad. The way the crowd conducts itself is far more important than the rooting interest. For the record, you may want to let the nice self congratulatory people of silicon valley know that most industries have actually figured out the concept of small moments, surprise and delight moments, etc as well. Actually, sports venues have been working on it for years. It's a lot easier to control the actions of one driver than it is a crowd.

My last note on this subject, we agree to disagree overall, but do agree on sports venues doing a good job on creating memorable moments.

I just think it costs Dayton fans nothing to root for Providence with all upside, don't know why we wouldn't do it.

But done with the thread now.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Your conventional and skimming the surface thinking would last about two minutes in Silicon Valley, maybe less. Why did Creighton get into the Big East and why did Dayton not get into the Big East? Expected $ return for the Big East for both schools was about the same in terms of TV market size, fan base traveling to away games/BE Tournament, reputation of programs (Creighton has never won 2 consecutive NCAA games), etc., etc. Arguments could be had on both sides. But bottom-line there was very little difference in how much $ Creighton or Dayton would make the Big East. Creighton got in over Dayton because they had better relationships with Presidents and Athletic Directors in the Big East and they had a few champions among Presidents/ADs (like Marquette) who really pushed for their inclusion. If and when the Big East expands, we want great relationships with Presidents, Athletic Directors, and even key donors at those schools -- all these constituents will be in Dayton this week -- so we have champions for our case when there are two schools with similar profiles competing for a space in the Big East. Let's help create those advocates and champions. My company trains our sales team on long-term relationship building and one of the key focus areas is creating small memorable moments as the statistical causation between small memorable moments and long-term profitable relationships is high. Conversely, one bad memorable moment can set-back relationship building for years. Hence, we orchestrate everything when we have individuals we are are trying to build relationships with, from the smallest to the biggest things, whenever they visit our campus or we visit theirs. We go down to small details like interviewing drivers who will drive them from San Francisco Airport to our campus. The biggest thing for Providence this week will be whether they win or lose. A bunch of studies show home teams 3-5 points better in college basketball than a neutral court. One of the big reasons is that fans actually influence referees (sorry Rollo, but it has been shown refs want to please the home crowd) and teams respond to positive encouragement as well (Providence will not get the advantage of no travel, familiar arena, etc.). So we could help Providence win even if the home crowd support would be ever so slight. At my company, we would try to help influence even small things like this. Admittedly, this will be a very very small impact if any. The other aspect is how they are treated in Dayton including fan support. Greg Marshall of Wichita State, his President, and AD all rave about their treatment at UD last year. When we want to schedule a home and home with them, little things like this matter. We want the Providence President, AD, and key donors to walk out with a great experience in Dayton, small, but a bunch of small memorable moments equal a good brand impression. I want Dayton to not only have a good, but actually leave a great brand impression on key decision makers who we are actively trying to influence. Bunch of studies that show small memorable moments can help further long-term relationships, why wouldn't Dayton fans help create some of those small memorable moments for key decision makers at Providence? This is a no brainer for me. The President, AD, and donors of Providence are key decision-makers in our bid to get into the Big East. Why wouldn't Dayton and its fans do everything possible to give them a fantastic experience including a home crowd at UD Arena?!?!?!

Creighton got into the Big East because their President was on the Board of Directors at Marquette or something similar to that. Not because their fans cheered for them. They play in a bigger TV market (slightly) and program that averages over 17k a game. Creighton also expanded the Big East footprint. The thing that hurt UD the most was their location. Too close to Xavier and Butler in the eye of the Big East. They are also a Jesuit school, which aligned more with the Big East.

As far as Gregg Marshall and Wichita St and the home and home, we did reach out and they turned us down. So how did that work out for us? UD can put on a good show and do a great job hosting Providence, but I can promise you, how our fans treat them will have absolutely no affect on this process. It didn't with Wichita St.

I get what you are trying to say, but we are just going to have to agree to disagree. If they do not already know our reputation of having great fans and a great place to play then those making decisions should not be. I won't be rooting for them because it will have no affect on us getting in, and I did not like the way their fans complained about us when we played in Columbus.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Creighton got into the Big East because their President was on the Board of Directors at Marquette or something similar to that. Not because their fans cheered for them. They play in a bigger TV market (slightly) and program that averages over 17k a game. Creighton also expanded the Big East footprint. The thing that hurt UD the most was their location. Too close to Xavier and Butler in the eye of the Big East. They are also a Jesuit school, which aligned more with the Big East. As far as Gregg Marshall and Wichita St and the home and home, we did reach out and they turned us down. So how did that work out for us? UD can put on a good show and do a great job hosting Providence, but I can promise you, how our fans treat them will have absolutely no affect on this process. It didn't with Wichita St. I get what you are trying to say, but we are just going to have to agree to disagree. If they do not already know our reputation of having great fans and a great place to play then those making decisions should not be. I won't be rooting for them because it will have no affect on us getting in, and I did not like the way their fans complained about us when we played in Columbus.

We agree to disagree.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin We agree to disagree.

That was four more words.

[TX Flyer]

This makes perfect sense. We should also all go register on the holy land board to tell them how much we love them.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach So your argument rest on Dayton will get in the big East if UD fans root for providence; and Providence and UD both promote moral teachings of the Catholic Church??? Oh my dear Lord, my gut hurts...it's about to bust. Ruechalgrin, you need a pot of coffee to sober up. I hope the little eastern group gets beat-down in every game, of every year, until the end of time.

The BE doesn't give a crap what we do for this game. It's about money. Period.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by sheg Do it for any of a million reasons, but don't do it for the Big East. See, those decisions are made by sober, rational, grownup college presidents that couldn't give two ****s about fans' opinions. That said, I think the administration at Xavier has rational reasons to desire that Dayton not be a member of the same conference, that those reasons have nothing to do with petty fans and rivalries, and that their fellow college presidents will respect their colleague's wishes in that regard. Root for whomever you wish. I'll be rooting for Providence.

One other reason for me to root for Providence over USC: I think Don Donoher and Mullaney (the Providence coach "back in the day") got along fairly well. And any friend of Coach Donoher is a friend of mine.

Biggest reason for me to root for Providence is: they never spanked the Buckeyes in football that way USC did. Of course, they never played the Buckeyes in football, but that's beside the point - the "c0nd0ms" did.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[longtimefan]

I won't be rooting for Providence because Cooley was a whiny bee-otch the year we played them.

[maddog07]

Providence up big at half. UD probably buying Big East floor decals already!!
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[rasta man]

Well USC came back from the dead so rooting for Providence didn't help.

Me? I was rooting for USC, why? 3 words: USC Song Girls

[SeasonTicketFan]

Crowd was very tame tonight. It appeared that Providence had more fans in attendance than they had in Columbus two years ago. Still not very large compared to other traveling fans groups that I have seen over the years.

The fans were just watching the game, not rooting for either side it seemed.

I am baffled. Did USC outplay Providence or did Providence just tank? I lean towards believing Providence blew it.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Crowd was very tame tonight. It appeared that Providence had more fans in attendance than they had in Columbus two years ago. Still not very large compared to other traveling fans groups that I have seen over the years. The fans were just watching the game, not rooting for either side it seemed. I am baffled. Did USC outplay Providence or did Providence just tank? I lean towards believing Providence blew it.

Ed Cooley is their coach. They blew it.

[priceg75]

My son and I were 5 rows off the floor, rooting HARD for USC. Was glad they pulled it out in the second half. Providence just went to sleep in the second half.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Count me in the corner of those pulling for USC. That was beautiful. Tired of the Big East attitude. We'll be just fine, this team has/will have building stand-alone value.

To hell with the Big East and it's teams.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by rasta man Well USC came back from the dead so rooting for Providence didn't help. Me? I was rooting for USC, why? 3 words: USC Song Girls

Before i got past the second sentence i correctly predicted Rollo "thanked" the post.

[NJFlyr71]

Oh NO! Does this mean we don't get the invite to the BE?

At the half I thought for certain someone in the BE front office was already licking the stamp to put on the envelope!

[NJFlyr71]

I believe I know why the Friers lost last nite.

Ed Conley had prep'ed for the game against SMU!

[Radar]

Originally Posted by C-time Ed Cooley is their coach. They blew it.

Don't be silly.

Providence to Dayton = 808 miles
LA to Dayton = 2183 miles

It was practically a home game for USC...just ask Doug Gottlieb!

[CE80]

All of you guys are ruining it for the rest of us. We know that the holy land of hoops has spys on here and will report back to the group, Dayton will never get in the big east now. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Crowd was very tame tonight. It appeared that Providence had more fans in attendance than they had in Columbus two years ago. Still not very large compared to other traveling fans groups that I have seen over the years. The fans were just watching the game, not rooting for either side it seemed.

It's hard to get excited about a middling NBE team.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by CE80 All of you guys are ruining it for the rest of us. We know that the holy land of hoops has spys on here and will report back to the group, Dayton will never get in the big east now. I hope you are all proud of yourselves.

As a proud baby boomer (BB) growing up in the 60's .... Yes I am proud of myself! As a group, us BB's ruined a lot of things.

[Beatty Town Coach]

Enjoy the off season coach cooley. Oh, and you might want to stay away from the TV around 7pm Friday night, because the Dayton Flyers are playing a home game in a Dayton suburban area known as Indianapolis.

Columbus, Dayton, Indianapolis, it's all one big spot.