Should we have fouled?

[Larry67]

This is academic since we won the game. But when we had 10 seconds left on the clock, a three point lead, and St. Louis had possession and was in-bounding the ball, does anyone think that we should have fouled?

[FlyerGuyer]

No. Contrary to popular belief, it is statistically better to defend than to foul. Too many things can go wrong when you intentionally stop the clock and give up freebies.

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[bigred]

St. Louis is not a great 3 point shooting team. Right decision not to foul.

[Alberto Strasse]

then why fix it?

[jack72]

No, too much time and the throw in was at the St Louis half court.

I think Archie had a great plan: let them have it inside and get two and cover the three line like a blanket. Loe almost took the bait and started for the basket, but then pitched it out, as our guys watched. It was like a play action in football. Our defenders jumped toward Loe, and failed to stay home,

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[TommyGola]

On the game thread, I called for a foul. However, as mentioned above, the Bills "took the bait" and really forced them to take some tough shots during the last 10 seconds. Flyer guy stated above that it is statistically better not to foul, I like the fact of being able to control your own destiny rather than falling to a merely coincidental three-point shot. Regardless, the Flyers really defended the three ball well at the end, so it is now a moot point.

[longtimefan67]

After getting burned on 3's this season in the last few seconds of the game, I personally wanted to foul. Maybe a better strategy is to tell the Flyers taking the court (we are going to defend the 3 and give them the 2) but then tell the refs and the opposing team we intend to foul before they get a 3 point shot off. I think that may tend to create a expectation of getting fouled and possibly confusion. I thought Crews would come up with a better play than what he did. It looked like a BG designed play that Crews came up with...
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[priceg75]

I'm ok with fouling if there is something like 5 seconds left. But 10 seconds is way too long.

I was actually surprised Loe didn't take the layup that was wide open. That would've cut it to one with 6 seconds left, then you are forcing UD to make free throws, and you would still have the ball with 5 seconds or so left with a chance to win or tie depending on the result of the UD free throws.

[ud2]

I definitely would have fouled in that situation, I didn't agree with AM's decision not to foul, I've just seen teams get burned too many times in that situation when they didn't foul. I'd rather it come down to free throws vs. giving them a chance to tie the game.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by ud2 I didn't agree with AM's decision not to foul

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[ud2]

Originally Posted by rollo ....

rollo, I think there is a very big difference between me disagreeing with one of AM's decisions vs. you pretty constantly riding him for the past couple/few months.

[rollo]

I'm proud of you for admitting that you don't agree with Archie on everything...as with one doubt there will come more.

So on the good side, we have more in common that you think.

On the bad side, you've been exposed as a 'hater'.

So, do you want to join my Steel Cage Match tag-team...or Glen's?!

[TerryK_67]

I don't know why you guys feed this guys ego.... he is an .......................

[Smitty10]

Unless the clock starts under 5 seconds, I do not believe in intentially fouling. Anything above, you're asking too much of your players to play solid defense and keep an eye on the 3 point line and the clock at the same time.

If opponent keeps the ball outside the 3 point line you risk some overzealous ref calling a player in the act of shooting if that player decides he was fouled and throws up a shot trying to get the call.

Just play the game and let the chips fall where they may. Intentional fouls are for the team that's behind, not ahead.

[steve]

Let's not act like it was great defense here. A really good St. Louis shooter had a tremendous, wide-open look to tie the game. And a shot everyone knew they were going to have to hit... A good part of me wants to give them credit for a nice play but, again, unless I'm mis-remembering (lol) didn't a couple of our defenders continue to chase the initial guy that caught the inbounds pass to the basket? There's not a poster on this board that would be anywhere near diplomatic had that kid made a very wide-open , uncontested shot..Not a difficult shot like a couple earlier this year.

[cralford]

I think the announcers typically at least have the conversation. Should they or not. The announcers seemed a little rattled in the last few minutes of the game. Maybe they expected the Flyers to be shooting the desperation threes

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by rollo I'm proud of you for admitting that you don't agree with Archie on everything...as with one doubt there will come more. So on the good side, we have more in common that you think. On the bad side, you've been exposed as a 'hater'. So, do you want to join my Steel Cage Match tag-team...or Glen's?!

Ill join your side. He red pipped me for saying i booed on Marcus,London,Kurt,Rob's senior night because of their pathetic season (although i cheered their ceremony and curtain call) i booed the team not the players. calling ti classless and pathetic, yet ive seen him call people "Losers" on here

[Falcon7]

St. Louis did get an open 3, but luckily it was short.

[flyerfanatic86]

I'm normally a fan of fouling, but I'm glad we didn't here. Too much time on the clock to do it on the inbound, and it was too chaotic once the ball was in play. Too many bad things could have happened if we fouled once the ball was in play. At least in my opinion.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Maryland vs. Virginia just went into OT because Maryland fouled with about 4 seconds. He hit the first missed the second and the rebound was tipped out by Maryland . With 1.7 on the clock, VA got the ball and scored.

Maryland did win 75-69 in OT at home

[longtimefan]

Archie said on his show today they wanted to foul on the catch coming out of the timeout but there was a breakdown.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan Archie said on his show today they wanted to foul on the catch coming out of the timeout but there was a breakdown.

Thanks longtimefan!

So, rollo, it looks like Archie, myself, TommyGola, and longtimefan67 were all on the same page in terms of wanting to foul SLU and not give them a chance at a game tying 3 pointer.

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