Why We SHOULD Be Ahead of SMU, X, Arkansas, etc.

[ruechalgrin]

Why We Should be Ahead of:
SMU, X, Arkansas, Zags, Pitt, Stanford, BYU, Tenn, Neb, MO, Cal, Providence, Minn., G'Town, Providence ...
And Therefore UD SHOULD BE A LOCK! (But unfortunately isn't ...)

SMU is often rated the best of this bunch and a lock, but our profile is objectively better (and better than all of those bubble teams listed above).

SMU= RPI 44, SOS 119, Top 50 4-5; 51-100 0-1; 101+ 19-2; R/N 8-6; top R/N Wins- 29 Conn, 119 Neutral, 130 Away.
UD = RPI 39; SOS 55, Top 50 4-5; 51-100 4-1; 101+14-3; R/N 9-5; top R/N Wins- 23 Away, 29 Neutral, 59 Neutral.

So Dayton is equal to in 1 category and better in 5 categories, but we are worst in 1 with 3 bad losses and SMU has 2. Are our 4 extra wins 51-100 worth more than our 1 bad loss? Let's dig deeper.
+Top wins = Dayton 13 > SMU 15; Dayton 23 > SMU 29; Dayton 24 > SMU 29; Dayton 30 > SMU 32.
+NCAA Team Wins = Dayton 5.5 > SMU 3 (Dayton wins Umass, St. Louis, Zags, Iona, GW, possibly Cal)
+Top 100 Wins = Dayton 8-6 > SMU 4-6.

I simply do not understand it. I hope the committee follows its prior actions and if so Dayton is a lock and SMU is not -- http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[TerryK_67]

Larry Brown is soooo well connected to the NCAA that SMU is a shoe-in unless they embarrass themselves from here on out. $hit like that just seems to happen in spite of all the claims of using strict criteria...
GO FLYERS!

[TA111]

The Flyers will surprise when selections come out. Dancecard has us a nine seed.

[rollo]

If we're safe at RPI 39 then Toledo should feel safe at RPI 37. Is Toledo safe?

I'm still watching Georgia (SEC 12-6) who is tied with UK and ahead of Mizzou, Tennessee, Ark, etc...in Conference but way behind in RPI. Throw Nebraska and Minnesota in that group of tweeners, too.

And IMHO, it looks to me like the Conference that's going to get the shaft next Sunday is....the BigEast. All their tweeners have gaping holes and no momentum entering the Post Season. Many of the Big10 and SEC teams do...

For the record, I don't want URI in the 1st round. Or GMason.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[TA111]

Has nothing to do with your particular RPI and everything to do with who you beat and where. Toledo has ZERO top 50 wins. Enough said.

[rollo]

Pitt is still hanging around, too.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by rollo Pitt is still hanging around, too.

D@mn Clemson.

[Figgie123]

I'm throwing up in my mouth saying this, but I think the Big East is going to get 4.

Creighton and Villanova are locks, everyone knows that...

Xavier (48) plays Marquette, but without Stainbrook (right?). A loss could knock them out completely, a win might just keep them in. But they split with Prov/Georgetown, so a loss might hurt those 2 teams in the Top50 area.

Georgetown (53) opens with DePaul in a first round game and should win. Increases their 53 RPI, and might even bust into the top50 before losing to Creighton the Quarters. Their 5-5 top 50 is what I think pushes them in. That might be the biggest discussion after the brackets come out I think.

Providence (54) plays St Johns (58) in the quarters, so one of those will be top 50. But, their top 50 wins aren't that high, unless Georgetown gets in and they both pick 1 up. Providence might get top 50 as well if they win. Winner most likely plays Villanova, unless they get upset by Butler/Hall.

I don't think the chips can bounce too badly for the Big East, unless there are upsets. If Georgetown loses to DePaul, send Purnell some rolled up bills in an Easter Basket from UD fans, and mark GTown off the list. If Marquette takes out Xavier, and they split h/h this year, they may be out. Then if the Johnnies win, that might not be good enough maybe. That would have to be the perfect storm, I'd think, for the Big East to only have 2.

But, then, those scheduling issues with playing 3 games in 3 days will not be good to Xavier, right?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Canonball]

I think 6 A10 is a stretch and UD definitely doesn't want to be that team in the 6th slot. Go SLU! Flyers just need to go out and pick up another W in the tournament and buy themselves some insurance.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CE80]

Our Achilles heel is not wins or RPI. It is bad losses. We have 3. We don't need another win as much as we can't afford another bad loss

[Flyer68]

I think this thread is a bit premature - we need two wins in the A10 tournament and at least a strong effort in the third game - then we can feel we have some insurance.

[Browns]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 I think this thread is a bit premature - we need two wins in the A10 tournament and at least a strong effort in the third game - then we can feel we have some insurance.

Stop reading too much in to what Lunardi is saying. We're in easily right now and we definitely don't need two wins in the A10 tournament, one is plenty.

[DGO67]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 I think this thread is a bit premature - we need two wins in the A10 tournament and at least a strong effort in the third game - then we can feel we have some insurance.

Exactly! This talk about the Flyers "in already" is nonsense. In addition to the selection committee weighing positive criteria (Wins, RPI, SOS), they also look at negatives such as bad beats and quick exits from conference tournaments.
Two wins in tournament play for a dance lock.
At this point, we're a lock in the NIT.

[Canonball]

Originally Posted by CE80 Our Achilles heel is not wins or RPI. It is bad losses. We have 3. We don't need another win as much as we can't afford another bad loss

This is why you can't $&@( the bed against URI etc. Personally I believe they've done enough, but I don't think the committee will see it that way if UD is sixth behind UMass. IMO it's a coin flip between those two teams for the fifth and final A10 spot. Despite the Flyers winning head to head, that four game stretch and the bad losses might keep the Flyers on the bad side of this deal. Win a game in the A10 and prove they're tournament ready, 9-1 over the last 10, good showing in Maui, good road record. That's hard to ignore.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Flyer69ers]

Georgetown??? Even a win over DePaul (in the tourney) won't help their 53 RPI . . .

Only the BE eye-candy can get them in - but of course we know that is totally possible.

But I digress - GO FLYERS! No time to worry about Georgetown or anyone else.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Canonball This is why you can't $&@( the bed against URI etc. Personally I believe they've done enough, but I don't think the committee will see it that way if UD is sixth behind UMass. IMO it's a coin flip between those two teams for the fifth and final A10 spot. Despite the Flyers winning head to head, that four game stretch and the bad losses might keep the Flyers on the bad side of this deal. Win a game in the A10 and prove they're tournament ready, 9-1 over the last 10, good showing in Maui, good road record. That's hard to ignore.

Of our bad losses, that URI road game is the one that sticks in my throat the most. The Ill st game was against a pumped up team playing a ranked opponent. Against USC, shots just did not fall. The at URI game was a sh&tty performance against a sh&tty team. Win that one and we are in no doubt.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 I think this thread is a bit premature - we need two wins in the A10 tournament and at least a strong effort in the third game - then we can feel we have some insurance.

I keep reading posts such as this. What FACTS do you have to support this opinion?

There are 2 things that could keep UD out of the tourney and only 1 is fact based:
1) the A10 cannot get 6 bids. Is that a rule somewhere that I missed?
2) three sub 100 losses. Take a look at the other bubble teams, most have 2 (or 3) themselves.

Here are the FACTS that support a UD bid:
1) RPI at 40 or so
2) road/neutral record
3) record against top 50
4) record against top 100

I intentionally left out 9-1 in last 10 games. That is as unofficial a stat as 6 a-10 teams. Yet, it is much more compelling than the committee sitting there and talking to themselves: " Gee, did everyone realize that if we include UD, we'll have SIX from the A10...we better go look at (insert team X) again and take them even though they are significantly deficient to UD"

Show me the 8-10 bubble teams that are better than UD and I'll believe there is work to do.

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by rollo If we're safe at RPI 39 then Toledo should feel safe at RPI 37. Is Toledo safe? I'm still watching Georgia (SEC 12-6) who is tied with UK and ahead of Mizzou, Tennessee, Ark, etc...in Conference but way behind in RPI. Throw Nebraska and Minnesota in that group of tweeners, too. And IMHO, it looks to me like the Conference that's going to get the shaft next Sunday is....the BigEast. All their tweeners have gaping holes and no momentum entering the Post Season. Many of the Big10 and SEC teams do... For the record, I don't want URI in the 1st round. Or GMason.

This x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (sorry Rollo, it won't let me do scientific notation)

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 I think this thread is a bit premature - we need two wins in the A10 tournament and at least a strong effort in the third game - then we can feel we have some insurance.

Still believe we need two more wins (as much if not more than no bad loss).

24-10 looks a lot better to the eye test than 22-10.

[College B-Ball Fan]

No team is "perfect" but as numerous posters have said---the "body" of work favors UD over many mentioned including SMU. How can they deny our top 25 and top 50 wins, our nuetral wins and away wins, our conference record and record in the last 10 played, etc. (all of which have been cited in the past as very important factors by the committee)?

Stranger things have happened and too many times we've been on the outside looking in....but I think we DESERVE to dance this year and I believe the committee will give us a shot!

Isn't Wright states president Hopson on the selection committee---wonder if that would help or hurt?

[ruechalgrin]

Latest dance card shows we are so in IF the committee follow the same criteria - but that is the big IF. http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[ud2]

Originally Posted by TA111 Has nothing to do with your particular RPI and everything to do with who you beat and where. Toledo has ZERO top 50 wins. Enough said.

I'd say the rpi at least carries some weight though. You have to be at least fairly good to have a good rpi. I'd say it's a combination of rpi and SOS.

[longtimefan]

The committee says it does NOT pay any attention to how many teams from a particular conference get in. The A-10 has 6 deserving teams (assuming we win one more game), and if six don't get in it will be a screw job on a mid-major.

[number21]

What we don't need is a first round loss or a bottom feeder getting the automatic. If a bottom feeder gets auto they don't take 7.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Latest dance card shows we are so in IF the committee follow the same criteria - but that is the big IF. http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

Dance Card is not static. Your ranking moves after wins and losses by both you and other teams.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by CE80 Dance Card is not static. Your ranking moves after wins and losses by both you and other teams.

Agree, but it took Umass, St. Louis, and Richmond wins for us to move from 45 to 30 -- so 3 huge wins and moving ~5 spots each. I don't see losing even 1st round us going from 30 to 45 (perhaps 30 to 38-42 at worse).

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Viperstick Still believe we need two more wins (as much if not more than no bad loss). 24-10 looks a lot better to the eye test than 22-10.

How about 23-10 and the loss coming to a Top 50 team.

[Viperstick]

There's still work to do.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...y/bubble-watch

We can all mentally perturbate over how we should be in the tourney because our record looks better than team X (literally), but everyone who gets paid to have an opinion about this stuff still thinks we sit right on the razor's edge. As I've said before, we need two wins in the A-10 tourney to really feel secure.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ct-to-one-game

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bask...ebraska-bubble

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ology/6228743/

[SC_Flyer]

I posted this data in the A-10 Number of Bids thread, but thought that I would cross-pollinate it here. I definitely think that there is data to support 6 bids in the A-10 (see below) and don't think at all that Dayton "has to win 2 in the A-10 tourney" to get in. 5 bids was the old record, but that was before we shed that dead weight to the NBE.

                            
  OOC   |
Winning |
   %    |         Year      |   Bids  | 
--------+-------------------+---------|
  .702     2014 Atlantic 10   X bids
  .654     2013 Atlantic 10   5 bids
  .643     2008 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .643     2008 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .624     2012 Atlantic 10   4 bids
  .624     2010 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .593     2009 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .587     2004 Atlantic 10   4 bids
  .587     2011 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .559     2000 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .556     2001 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .555     2006 Atlantic 10   2 bids
  .541     2007 Atlantic 10   2 bids
  .536     2003 Atlantic 10   3 bids
  .522     2002 Atlantic 10   1 bid
  .406     2005 Atlantic 10   1 bid
--------+-------------------+---------|

Notes:
   5 bids is most in conference history
   Also received 5 bids in 1997 and 1998

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by TA111 The Flyers will surprise when selections come out. Dancecard has us a nine seed.

We are now ahead of Ohio State in Dance Card! Haha nice. There are currently 17 teams between Dayton and the bubble burst line. Considering that Dance Card has correctly predicted 73 of the past 74 at-large bids, the odds are looking good.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't go out and win the A 10 tournament, of course. I understand the psychology of "urgency" to get more wins. Go Flyers!

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer We are now ahead of Ohio State in Dance Card! Haha nice.

...and yet the USA Today bracket currently has Ohio State as a 6 playing Dayton as an 11. Ha. Must be the eye test...

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by number21 What we don't need is a first round loss or a bottom feeder getting the automatic. If a bottom feeder gets auto they don't take 7.

The committee is not supposed to care and I don't think they do care. If an A 10 team comes out of nowhere and wins thee tournament they bump the last guy on the bubble not the last A10 team.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer ...and yet the USA Today bracket currently has Ohio State as a 6 playing Dayton as an 11. Ha. Must be the eye test...

Maybe somebody switched them by accident.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 Maybe somebody switched them by accident.

Switched at birth, USA Today version...

[FlyerGuyer]

To illustrate how good the A 10 is this year, the team with the best RPI (UMass at 17) finished 6th in the conference...

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[bobber]

No one can breath easy until the Committee announces its decisions. Twenty four wins would seem like a lock, but you never know.

[Canonball]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer To illustrate how good the A 10 is this year, the team with the best RPI (UMass at 17) finished 6th in the conference...

.... and behind UD! I think the Flyers are now playing for a seed, but rather than leaving it up to others they need to just go out and erase any remaining doubt.

[Sit_Down_Digger]

We should be at least an 11 seed , possibly a 10 seed in the NCAA's. So please no Wright St. match up in the tourney (if they get in) and if they do get in they will be a likely First Four team.

[FlyingArrow]

One prognosticator who has us knocked off the bubble:

http://www.nj.com/college-basketball...days_unti.html

(in the RIGHT direction for once.)

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer To illustrate how good the A 10 is this year, the team with the best RPI (UMass at 17) finished 6th in the conference...

Ok, VCU is now the top RPI dog in the A 10 at 13, but you still get the point.

[ruechalgrin]

Joey Brackets has us last 4 in. Palm has us last 4 buy in. I think these are madness based upon our objective profile, but some dance card author articles from a year ago talk about the incredible bias the committee has toward BCS, committee members conference teams (sounds like basic appearance of corruption as conference share NCAA unit $s), etc.

So I am more worried now as human subjectiveness could kill us. We could be first team ever to make it clearly in Dance Card Methodology at 100%, but be denied due to human subjectiveness. (And first team to make it 2x in dance card and denied 2x by committee).

Again, let's look at Neb. versus Dayton. Neb. has passed SMU as the latest "cool" lock.

-RPI = Dayton 39, Neb. 41 = tie
-OOC SOS = Neb. 96, Dayton 98 = tie
-Road/Neutral = Dayton 9-5, Neb. 4-10 = ++ Dayton
-R/N Deep Dive = Dayton 18 Win Away > Neb. 24 Win Away; Dayton 26 Win Neutral > Neb. 73 Win Neutral; Dayton 55 Neutral Win > Neb. 91 Away; Dayton 86 Away Win > Neb. 133 Away; Dayton 103 Away > Neb. No More R/N Wins; Dayton 146, 149, 180 Away Wins > Neb. No More R/N Wins. == ++ Dayton in Terms of Quality and Number of R/N Wins
-top 25 = Dayton 3-2, Neb. 3-6 = ++ Dayton
-top 50 = Dayton 4-5; Neb. 3-7 = + Dayton
-top 50 deep dive wins = Neb home win 5 > Dayton home win 17; Dayton away 18 > Neb home 23; Neb away 24 > Dayton 26 neutral; Dayton home 30 > Neb. losses; Nebraska average top 50 win is 18 > Dayton average top 50 win is 23, but Dayton has 4 wins versus Neb. 3 wins = tie
-top 51-100 = Dayton 5-1; Neb. 5-1 = tie
-51-100 deep dive wins = Dayton 55 Neutral > Neb. 51 Home (yes neutral gives Dayton +); Dayton 58 home > Neb. 68 home; Neb. 73 Neutral > Dayton 72 Home; Dayton 86 Away = Neb. 91 Away; Dayton Home 90 = Neb. Home 90; Dayton Average Win 51-100 74 = Neb. Average 51-100 Win is 75 so Tie == Tie perhaps slight edge to Dayton
101+ = Dayton 13-3 - Neb. 11-3 = tie, perhaps slight edge to Neb.

Dayton wins or ties every category except perhaps slight edge to Neb. in that they are 11-3 in bad games versus Dayton 13-3. Take the names off the jerseys and the BCS conference away and I honestly don't see why people are calling Neb. a lock.

[ruechalgrin]

Just reviewed the best bracketologists over the past years and we are looking good in their current brackets.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Again, let's look at Neb. versus Dayton. Neb. has passed SMU as the latest "cool" lock.

Hahaha! Oh my, so true and funny. Nebraska is SO the new "hip" and "trendy" lock. All the cool bracketologists and hipsters seem to love Nebraska now. Haha...

[FlyingArrow]

Looking at our profile I'm truly confused - how are all these bracketologists putting us below teams that literally are behind us in every single category that is supposedly used to determine who gets a bid? Dayton should be a lock.

[ruechalgrin]

Guy who was #3 in bracket accuracy last year said this before the Richmond game.

Dayton: Another one of the country’s sneakiest profiles got even better, as the Flyers (21-9, 9-6 Atlantic 10) won 72-67 at Saint Louis. Armed with a top-50 RPI, a 9-5 record away from home and an 8-6 mark against the top 100, just how is this team getting excluded if it beats Richmond to close out the regular season?

BTW, we are now 9-6 versus top 100! And 39 RPI.

http://www.syracuse.com/patrick-stev...ins_at_sa.html

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Guy who was #3 in bracket accuracy last year said this before the Richmond game. Dayton: Another one of the country’s sneakiest profiles got even better, as the Flyers (21-9, 9-6 Atlantic 10) won 72-67 at Saint Louis. Armed with a top-50 RPI, a 9-5 record away from home and an 8-6 mark against the top 100, just how is this team getting excluded if it beats Richmond to close out the regular season? BTW, we are now 9-6 versus top 100! And 39 RPI. http://www.syracuse.com/patrick-stev...ins_at_sa.html

Did you see his first round match-up for UD? Vs. OSU in Buffalo.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CE80]

Jerry Palm lost credibility with me with this tweet:


Jerry Palm @jppalmCBS

At least RT @AKraemer23: Jerry, does UD (Dayton) need to beat GM/Fordham and St. Joe's in A10 tourney to get in?

[Medford]

well I have no idea what Jerry is saying there.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Looking at our profile I'm truly confused - how are all these bracketologists putting us below teams that literally are behind us in every single category that is supposedly used to determine who gets a bid? Dayton should be a lock.

My guess, is its the human nature of things for the guys that update this every week or multiple times a week. They had UD up pretty high coming out of Mauii and even a little past Mauii, then UD went into a "slump" started out 1-5 in conference play and were no where to be found, so as UD kept moving down and down in their bracket that kind of "sticks with you in your memory". Then UD started turning things around, but aside from an injuried GW team, it was against teams an NCAA tournament team is "supposed to be beat" so most of their movement was based upon them not losing while others dropped a game or two along the way. Then just as UD was getting comfortable and the picture looked clear, they got blown away at Saint Joes which again probably left a sour taste in their collective mouths. If they were getting blown away by SJU, how the heck were they going to beat UMass @ SLU and Richmond? So when they knocked off UMass they took notice, but "heck we've been down this road before" then they won at SLU and they took a little more notice, but were still waiting for the shoe to drop, then finally they knocked off Richmond and they had to recognize that the body of work was pretty solid, but the periods of greatness and the periods of lousy were mostly grouped together, kind of like a poop sandwhich on artisan bread.

What I believe the NCAA committee does is they talk about these teams and teams in their assigned region all season long thru conference calls, however they haven't made a single bracket yet other than the ones in their individual collective minds. When they start meeting today/tomorrow they'll start setting out their brackets and taking the begining of 100+ votes on teams/seedings over the next couple of days. by doing it this way, they'll be more free to look at a teams' entire body of work, they won't be mentally burned by a team that started strong and faded, nore mentally excited about a team that started slow, then started catching up (if that makes sense).

I believe this is what Dance Card is suppose to represent, a path at looking at teams w/o any emotional attachment due to including them in articles in mid December. Remember, when the committee sets the field, they'll go back thru groups of teams and figure out if someone needs to move up in comparision to other teams ahead of them (or vice versa). The arcticle linked to the Dallas paper talked about how a few seasons ago, near the end of the bracket process someone brought up VCU's name and how it had been bugging him that they didn't look at that team closer. So everyone took a closer look and found that they agreed with him, that their resume was stronger than some teams they had at the bottom of the bracket, so they got sent to Dayton and the first four, only to reward the committee (to the chagrin of several talking heads) with a run to the final 4.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[CE80]

I think it is the 3 bad losses. That is my only concern. Is there anywhere to look it up as to the history of teams getting in with 3 bad losses. Even then, I think we are safe. It would be the 4th that could provide a knock out.

[Medford]

There are a lot of teams in consideration with 2, 3 or even 4 bad losses. 2 of those bad losses came on the road which I think helps (though I don't know how it compares to other teams with 2, 3, or 4 bad losses) You also have to account for a team like Pitt, they have no bad losses, but only 1 tip 50 win. UD has as many or more top 25, top 50 and top 100 wins then most of the teams on the bubble or considered locks.

the one area I haven't looked at much are things like the sags and kenpom and how they've faired against teams that have done well there. But using solely the rpi (the committe will go beyond rpi and will look at sags, kenpom and others) UD has a lot of things going for them and their warts are not nearly as bad as some on this board fear (in relative terms to the bubble). It will all shake out sunday, though I would love to see UD make that moot point by winning the A10 and turning it into a conversation strictly on seeding.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Medford There are a lot of teams in consideration with 2, 3 or even 4 bad losses. 2 of those bad losses came on the road which I think helps (though I don't know how it compares to other teams with 2, 3, or 4 bad losses) You also have to account for a team like Pitt, they have no bad losses, but only 1 tip 50 win. UD has as many or more top 25, top 50 and top 100 wins then most of the teams on the bubble or considered locks. the one area I haven't looked at much are things like the sags and kenpom and how they've faired against teams that have done well there. But using solely the rpi (the committe will go beyond rpi and will look at sags, kenpom and others) UD has a lot of things going for them and their warts are not nearly as bad as some on this board fear (in relative terms to the bubble). It will all shake out sunday, though I would love to see UD make that moot point by winning the A10 and turning it into a conversation strictly on seeding.

Define a lot. I only see these.

NC (3 bad losses)
BYU (4)
Neb (3)
Tenn (4)
X (3)
Gtown (3)

Of those, only NC is a lock. Neb looks pretty good on Dance Card and wtih other bracketologists. Tenn is on the outside looking in. Both X and Gtown can ill afford a first round loss in the conference tourney. BYU is what gives me comfort. They are safely in on Dance Card and Lunardi has them in but Palm does not.

[Medford]

cross threading a bit, but this is what I posted in part of a post on the bubble watch thread yesterday:

Nebraska : 3 Saint Joe: 1 Stanford: 0 SMU: 2 (including 1 vs 200+) Gonzaga : 2 BYU: 4 Dayton : 3 Tennessee: 4 Pitt: 0 Xavier: 3 Minnesota: 2 Missouri: 2 Providence: 1 Georgetown: 3 (including 1 vs a 200+ team) Cal: 1 Arkansas: 2

Is there a ton of difference b/w 2 or 3 "bad losses" I don't know, but that was my baseline for "a lot of these teams have 2, 3, or 4 bad losses" The list above is every team listed as "should be in" or "on the fence" on yesterday's bubble watch at cbssports. By my count, that is 11/16 teams on that list that have 2, 3 or 4 "bad losses" this season. UD is definently above the medium, but its not like we're talking about 5 bad losses. And I said above, when you compare the teams w/ 1 or 0 bad losses, you've got Cal (whom UD beat rather handily) and Pitt with only 1 top 50 win. UD really isn't that much worse than the rest of the bubble teams when it comes to "bad losses" and frankly, they trump them collectively with top 25, top 50 and top 100 wins.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

I am with you Medford. I think we are good but as I said, the only thing that gives me concern is the bad losses. We are so good in all the other categories. I will breathe easier after a win on Thursday.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 Jerry Palm lost credibility with me with this tweet: Jerry Palm @jppalmCBS At least RT @AKraemer23: Jerry, does UD (Dayton) need to beat GM/Fordham and St. Joe's in A10 tourney to get in?

What does RT mean? I'm not hip to the Twitter lingo. Round Two? Round Three? Russia Times?

[BRob2Perryman3]

Retweet

[CE80]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer What does RT mean? I'm not hip to the Twitter lingo. Round Two? Round Three? Russia Times?

RT is retweet. What follows the RT is the original question asking does UD (Dayton) need to beat GM/Fordham and St. Joe's in A10 tourney to get in?

His answer was At Least.

To me if we win both those games, we are looking at a 9 seed.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[xubrew]

I think Dayton is fine. If they miss the bus to the A10 Tournament, they'll still get in.

They have one good win at Saint Louis. That's they're only one, but they have a lot of other decent wins.

Neutral floor wins against Gonzaga and Cal come to mind. Cal is a bubble team at worst, and Gonzaga is in the field. When you beat multiple tournament teams away from home, you're typically in good shape.

Georgia Tech and Ole Miss aren't tournament teams, but they managed a combined record of 22-12 at home, so to get those road wins are at least decent.

Illinois State really isnt' as bad a loss as it appears because they were 12-3 at home.

Saint Bonaventure was 9-4 at home. That's another decent win.

Dayton did what the committee has said for several years in a row that teams are supposed to do. They played away from home, and they won away from home, and they beat three teams who are either on the bubble or solidly inside of it away from home. No one else on the bubble has done that minus maybe BYU, who beat Stanford and Texas away from home, and beat a full strength Utah State team on a neutral floor, and a Saint Mary's team that was good at home).

Dayton is fine. They don't need to do anything else. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to win to continue to improve themselves, but unless all forty teams in the top forty fail to win their conference tournaments, Dayton is in no matter what.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[The Fly]

One good win? On the road at St. Louis is a great win. Their other good wins are Gonzaga (neutral) and UMass and GW (home). I count four good wins to RPI No. 17, 18, 20 and 29.

I don't care how you do the math, that's more than one good win.

And Cal is No. 55. Now that's a decent (neutral court) win.

I'm not saying RPI is a determining factor, but it is A factor in determining what qualifies as a good win.

Anyway, I digress. I agree with the gist of your post, Brew. The Flyers are looking good ... at least on paper.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by CE80 Jerry Palm lost credibility with me with this tweet: Jerry Palm @jppalmCBS At least RT @AKraemer23: Jerry, does UD (Dayton) need to beat GM/Fordham and St. Joe's in A10 tourney to get in?

This worries me A LOT. Any idea what kind of track record does Palm have in terms of predicting the bracket?

Originally Posted by College B-Ball Fan Isn't Wright states president Hopson on the selection committee---wonder if that would help or hurt?

I did some research on this. Wright State's president does not appear to be a member of the 10 person NCAA D1 men's basketball tournament selection committee. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing.

I was curious what the breakdown of BCS or non-BCS committee members was. There are 4 BCS folks and 5 non-BCS folks. I'm not sure what I'd call Creighton's AD, I guess he's non-BCS.


Anyway, here are the 10 committee members for this year:

BCS-Ron Wellman-Wake Forest AD, committee chairman, born in Celina, Ohio, he was a pitcher on Bowling Green's baseball team
BCS-Joe Castiglione-Oklahoma AD
BCS-Joe Alleva-LSU AD
BCS-Mark Hollis-Michigan State AD

non-BCS(sort of)-Bruce Rasmussen-Creighton AD-ex-Xavier AD/Georgia Tech AD Mike Bobinski's replacement on the committee

non-BCS-Scott Barnes-Utah State AD
non-BCS-Doug Fullteron-Big Sky conference commissioner
non-BCS-Judy MacLeod-Conference USA executive associate commissioner
non-BCS-Jamie Zaninovich-West Coast Conference commissioner
non-BCS-Peter Roby-Northeastern University AD


This is the last year for Wellman and Fullerton on the committee, they are being replaced by folks from Stanford and UNC-Asheville. Castiglione was reappointed to the committee for another 3 year term after his term expired last year.

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/...basketbal.html

http://www.bracketography.com/selection-committee/

http://nebraskaradionetwork.com/2013...all-committee/

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/articl...ball-committee

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by xubrew I think Dayton is fine. If they miss the bus to the A10 Tournament, they'll still get in. They have one good win at Saint Louis. That's they're only one, but they have a lot of other decent wins. Neutral floor wins against Gonzaga and Cal come to mind. Cal is a bubble team at worst, and Gonzaga is in the field. When you beat multiple tournament teams away from home, you're typically in good shape. Georgia Tech and Ole Miss aren't tournament teams, but they managed a combined record of 22-12 at home, so to get those road wins are at least decent. Illinois State really isnt' as bad a loss as it appears because they were 12-3 at home. Saint Bonaventure was 9-4 at home. That's another decent win. Dayton did what the committee has said for several years in a row that teams are supposed to do. They played away from home, and they won away from home, and they beat three teams who are either on the bubble or solidly inside of it away from home. No one else on the bubble has done that minus maybe BYU, who beat Stanford and Texas away from home, and beat a full strength Utah State team on a neutral floor, and a Saint Mary's team that was good at home). Dayton is fine. They don't need to do anything else. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to win to continue to improve themselves, but unless all forty teams in the top forty fail to win their conference tournaments, Dayton is in no matter what.

I would also think we look good for going on the road and playing a "lesser" conference team. I know the MVC had a few better years than the A10 but generally they are below the A10.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[TA111]

The Flyers are fine. Right now they are looking at a 8-9 seed based upon several very good metrics-4 top 30 wins, 9 top 100 wins, 9-5 away from home. The Dancecard guys have determined that away record is one the most important factors. If you look at the ten most important factors the committee generally looks at, the Flyers are better than all the bubble teams in pretty much every one except 100 losses. Interestingly, Dan Gavitt, who is the liason for the committee recently stated that top 50 wins were very important because in the tourney you play mainly top 50 teams and you need to show the committee you can beat these teams.

[TerryK_67]

So is the reason for all these new positive karma vibes that the "moles" have come out after the first few votes?

[CE80]

I just noticed, Dance Card has SMU below the bubble bursting line. I assume that it would be a first if a top 25 ranked team did not make the tourney. Not that they belong in the top 25 anyway.

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by TerryK_67 So is the reason for all these new positive karma vibes that the "moles" have come out after the first few votes?

What positive karma are you referring to?

[xubrew]

Originally Posted by CE80 I would also think we look good for going on the road and playing a "lesser" conference team. I know the MVC had a few better years than the A10 but generally they are below the A10.

You look better than you would have had you played them at home and lost. That's for sure.


I pay so little attention to what the pundits are saying anymore. I guess that just makes me a free thinker. Anyone here that took the time to do it could guess the committee about as well as Joe Lunardi or Jerry Palm or Bleacher Report or Sports Illustrated or anyone else could. Well, maybe not in regards to your own team. People always seem to see the good in their own team and not the bad. But, if you can get past that, it's not rocket science. It's just assessing the values of wins and losses.

I wouldn't be surprised if the committee took a team like Belmont, or Green Bay, or both. One of the spots in the First Four has seemingly gone to a team from a perennial one-bid league. The team has always managed a few decent wins, played a ton of road games, and won a ton of road games. Belmont didn't play as many as Iona did from a few years ago, but they played a lot. Their wins are better, and their losses aren't as bad, and two of the bad losses that they do have were without two key starters. They actually have better wins than Middle Tennessee did from a year ago.

I won't go so far as to predict it, but it wouldn't shock me at all.

Green Bay led Wisconsin for 37 minutes of that game. They just couldn't hang on in the final minute. Even though that game was back in November and wasn't talked about much at the time, had Green Bay won that game I think they'd be in even though they lost in the HL Tournament.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by CE80 I just noticed, Dance Card has SMU below the bubble bursting line. I assume that it would be a first if a top 25 ranked team did not make the tourney. Not that they belong in the top 25 anyway.

SMU is a really close call, imo. So is Pitt. These teams have horrendous OOC resumes. It will be interesting to see if the committee punishes them for the poor OOC. I think SMU has a slight advantage over Pitt because of the top 25 wins. Pitt's best win is over Stanford (RPI 44).

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by ud2 non-BCS-Jamie Zaninovich-West Coast Conference commissioner

Well that explains why everyone has BYU bumped up a couple notches than I think they should be. And based on that I agree - they're in. And they were in even if they lost yesterday.

[sheg]

BCS-Ron Wellman-Wake Forest AD, committee chairman, born in Celina, Ohio, he was a pitcher on Bowling Green's baseball team

And grew up in Dayton. Wilbur Wright '66.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...Vsu8nWdRZsc6sw

[flyerfever]

Ron Wellman was an outstanding three sport athlete. I was two years behind Ron at WW.
He was a high character guy who earned a baseball scholarship to Bowling Green SU. I was a scrawny sophmore who was eager to see the court, and, Ron always made time to help me improve my game. He was AD at Northwestern before going to Wake. I hope he gets this one correct. After all, I say for this year and the years to come..."Why not us?"

[ruechalgrin]

We are closer to NC in profile than bubble teams.

RPI = NC 23 > UD 39
R/N = UD 10-5 > NC 805
Top 50 = NC 5-4 > UD 4-5 (both 1 Away win, 1 Neutral win)
51-100 = UD 6-1 = NC 6-1 (both 2 Away wins, 1 Neutral win)
101+ = UD 12-3 = NC 12-3 (both 1 Home and 2 Away Losses)
Best wins = NC 8 Home > UD 18 Home; UD 16 Away > NC 25 Away; UD 16 Neutral > NC 21 Neutral.

But they are a 4-5 and we are a 11-12?!??! Yes deeper dive they are slightly better in some numbers, but honestly not much ....