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The yearly countdown is back! Started a few days ago with the Fighting Illini.
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Love it or hate it, I look forward to this countdown every year. Just helps me with a timeline till I get to visit my winter home.
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And already a potential opponent. Cal State Northridge checking in at #143.
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John Groce was already on the hot seat last year, this is more bad news for him. He should have stayed at OU! Lol. Go Cats!
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Fordham in at #134
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13295
Picked #8 in the conference, so obviously there will be 7 more A10 teams on the list.
I really like what Neubauer is doing with Fordham. He has them on the right path. It was not a surprise when he made the decision, but it was sad to see Rhoomes leave. With him and Sengfelder up front, and Chartouney running the show, the Rams would have been an exciting team to watch.
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Imagine if that coach and stable of players had something other then the worst facilities in the Top 10 Conferences? And an arena that was being used before my Grandmother was born? Literally
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Green Bay won the HL tournament last year, seems like they will be better than #133.
That seems about right, last year there were 8 A10 teams at #122 or better, #9 was #162.
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21 St. Joseph's 16-4 27-7 0.6066 57 0.5549
22 Dayton 14-5 25-7 0.6063 49 0.5573
30 St. Bonaventure 13-5 22-8 0.5927 81 0.5415
37 VCU 14-5 24-10 0.5876 59 0.5524
63 Davidson 2-1 19-12 0.5703 58 0.5524
68 Geo. Wash. 11-7 23-10 0.5665 102 0.5262
120 Rhode Island 9-9 17-15 0.5288 86 0.5384
122 Richmond 8-10 16-16 0.5282 71 0.5464
162 Duquesne 6-11 15-16 0.5029 114 0.5190
170 UMass 7-12 14-18 0.4977 95 0.5294
176 Fordham 7-11 16-13 0.4960 168 0.4932
202 George Mason 4-13 11-21 0.4809 89 0.5370
206 Saint Louis 5-14 11-21 0.4785 85 0.5388
232 La Salle 5-14 8-22 0.4627 65 0.5492
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I never understand why #132 Penn State is not better in basketball...they have a huge football fan base, huge football stadium, make a ton of money on football I assume, legendary Joe Paterno legacy, countless alumni that play or played in the NFL...you just need to get a fraction of those people to go to the basketball games.
4 NCAAT since 1991...won the NIT in 2009...15k seat arena but only draw about 8k fans/home game.
Support from the administration is poor per this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn...ow_of_football:
At a school where the football program captures the vast majority of media and fan interest, the basketball program has historically struggled for relevance. According to ESPN.com writer and Penn State graduate[2] Dana O'Neil,
“ For years the basketball team has been a little sister of the poor stepchild to football, a winter afterthought given all the tending and care of a vegetable garden positioned in the middle of a nuclear field. Administrative support waffles between tepid applause and casual indifference.[3] ”
In O'Neil's view, the "stepchild" status of the program was most starkly illustrated by the last weeks of the 2010–11 season. The team normally practices at a dedicated facility within the Bryce Jordan Center. However, for nearly a week in February, while the team was making a run for an NCAA at-large bid, Bon Jovi took over the entire BJC—including the practice facilities—for rehearsals for their upcoming concert tour, which opened at the BJC. The following week, the team was evicted from the BJC for a career fair[2] and for the Penn State IFC/Panhellenic Dance Marathon.[4] On both occasions, the team was forced to practice at the nearby Intramural Building, a facility normally used by Penn State's volleyball teams. Although retrofitted with basketball hoops, the space left much to be desired. Multiple holes for volleyball net stanchions had to be taped over. During the Bon Jovi rehearsals, the hoops had been visibly lower than regulation height. While this error was corrected the following week, one of the hoops remained visibly misaligned.[4]
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Clearly Penn State is a football school in a huge football area. They are located out in the middle of nowhere, which hurts traveling in the winter, unless you are a rare basketball fan. Beautiful campus, great arena, but the focus is football.
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You have the mother of all fan bases. You own Pennsylvania. You've got the conference and the money. But I dont think PSU has ever had good coaching for MBB. Sort of 3rd and 4th options on their wish list, retreads, or folks just way over their head. Penn State is routinely toward the top in the Learfield standings or whatever they call it now. The DNA is there to be good in anything. I suppose you could say competing in the Big10 in basketball is too tough -- not enough wins to go around in that league. But other than Northwestern, everyone has had their day in the sun. Its certainly never negatively impacted their WBB program. Nobody is consistently bad. You should be able to matriculate up the ladder every few years and make noise in MBB.
Would be interesting to know what Sullivan thinks -- he's a PSU grad.
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Richmond #112, #7 in the A10.
Cline averaged 18.3 ppg last year, that's pretty impressive.
I am guessing that Mooney may be feeling some heat: 11 years at UR, 2 NCAAT, 1 NIT.
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They will go as far as Cline takes them. That may not be very far if the supporting cast isn't any better.
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Not very flattering or inspiring and if I were a Spyder fan, I would not be looking forward to another middle of the pack season and possible appearance in the CBI, CIT or V16 whatever that is.
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Mooney is Richmond's BG. By all accounts a great guy, the players are good citizens and they are never horrible enough to have the fans revolt, but they sure do seem to be mired in mediocrity over the past 5 years.
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Bonnie's #79, #6 in A10... Richmond was #112 and #7 in A10... Fordham #134, #8.
The Bonnies are projected as a NIT team.
Jaylen Adams, 18 ppg last year, returns.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13478
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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For basketball? Recent national champ Villanova? Pitt? Temple?
I think tOSU owns Ohio football unlike any other college in any other state. Penn State gets about 100K per home game while Pitt gets slightly less than half that, in the high 40's. tOSU gets over 100K per game while UC gets much less than half that (~40K last year, record attendance for UC). Ohio University, Akron, Toledo, BG, nobody else comes close.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
For basketball? Recent national champ Villanova? Pitt? Temple?
I think tOSU owns Ohio football unlike any other college in any other state. Penn State gets about 100K per home game while Pitt gets slightly less than half that, in the high 40's. tOSU gets over 100K per game while UC gets much less than half that (~40K last year, record attendance for UC). Ohio University, Akron, Toledo, BG, nobody else comes close.
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Then there are the Wolverines at 110,000+. And that's with another top team in the state.
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Then there are the Wolverines at 110,000+. And that's with another top team in the state.
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Then there are the Wolverines at 110,000+. And that's with another top team in the state.
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Go Blue! Harbaugh is ready to bring the pain in the Shoe this year!
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Cool. That would be their third win in 16 years.
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Yeah, it's been less a rivalry and more a regularly scheduled butt whoopin' the last decade and a half.
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Yeah, it's been less a rivalry and more a regularly scheduled butt whoopin' the last decade and a half.
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Yes, but, the point is that neither team owns the state like tOSU owns Ohio football. MSU is not dominated on home attendance like schools in Ohio are.
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Not Michigan's fault that Ohio can't produce two top clubs. Urban has done a great job with the Bucks, and I am really not a fan of Harbaugh. Didn't like him when he coached at San Diego against out Flyers in the PFL. But admit that in the short term he can get a program going. Whether he can do it long term is a ? I believe he will wear out his welcome, time will tell. It's good for the BIG if both OSU and UM are strong.
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Hoke had a 25% success rate over Ohio State. Compare that with the 13% win rate UM has over the last 15 years, and Hoke's was nearly double.
Not sure why he got fired at that rate. You put him on defense and RichRod on the offense, man that's gotta be virtually unbeatable.
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I believe Schmidt has been looked at, and he's passed them by. In 2014, Boston College came calling.
And speaking of Schmidt, he was signed to an extension only yesterday, through the 2021-22 season. (Yes, I know, that means nothing. Buick/Lexus, amirite?)
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Isn't that the team that has such a superiority complex over us? As they say, we are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Id be ok with those pompous a-holes never making the tournament again....along with _avier,Notre Dame and Georgetown
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Ive got an idea Jack72, lets send Marquette a sort of NCAA collage. Vee's runner against The University of Ohio State at Columbus, Crafts ensuing miss,Jordan's 30 foot dagger against Syracuse, screen shot of KP's line from his breakout game against Stanford, Jordan's dagger against Boise (again), 20 second collection of Kyle OWNING Kris Dunn, still of Kendall's super human chase down block, Darrell going bonkers on Oklahoma from 3, and last but not least the entire bracket from last year with Dayton comfortably in losing to a Final Four team with "Marquette" no where to be seen. All on a background of Devin Oliver reading "How you like me now?"
You know, so they can have a taste too.
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Isn't that the team that has such a superiority complex over us? As they say, we are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Ive got an idea Jack72, lets send Marquette a sort of NCAA collage. Vee's runner against The University of Ohio State at Columbus, Crafts ensuing miss,Jordan's 30 foot dagger against Syracuse, screen shot of KP's line from his breakout game against Stanford, Jordan's dagger against Boise (again), 20 second collection of Kyle OWNING Kris Dunn, still of Kendall's super human chase down block, Darrell going bonkers on Oklahoma from 3, and last but not least the entire bracket from last year with Dayton comfortably in losing to a Final Four team with "Marquette" no where to be seen. All on a background of Devin Oliver reading "How you like me now?"
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I could care less about Marquette, but come on man...31 NCAA appearances, 16 Sweet 16's and a NC. Their history is much better than ours. That's the type of comment that make us look bad.
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I could care less about Marquette, but come on man...31 NCAA appearances, 16 Sweet 16's and a NC. Their history is much better than ours. That's the type of comment that make us look bad.
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You know what, you are right. Im sending an apology to the Athletic Director, fruit baskets to all the players,buying an Authentic Dwayne Wade Bulls jersey and lowering my Dayton flag to replace it with a Marquette flag. Such a travesty. Im the type of fan UD needs. Standing up,yelling and screaming,living and dying with every play and impatiently pacing....thats when i watch on TV. I won't get into when I'm at games.
Frankly i don't have time for political correctness
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
You know what, you are right. Im sending an apology to the Athletic Director, fruit baskets to all the players,buying an Authentic Dwayne Wade Bulls jersey and lowering my Dayton flag to replace it with a Marquette flag. Such a travesty. Im the type of fan UD needs. Standing up,yelling and screaming,living and dying with every play and impatiently pacing....thats when i watch on TV. I won't get into when I'm at games.
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You seem to be really impressed with the type of fan you are. As a fan for over 65 years, it is safe to say my yelling and screaming days are long past, I guess I'm not the type of fan UD "needs"
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You know what, you are right. Im sending an apology to the Athletic Director, fruit baskets to all the players,buying an Authentic Dwayne Wade Bulls jersey and lowering my Dayton flag to replace it with a Marquette flag. Such a travesty. Im the type of fan UD needs. Standing up,yelling and screaming,living and dying with every play and impatiently pacing....thats when i watch on TV. I won't get into when I'm at games.
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I am not questioning your fanhood. I know you are a passionate fan, but act like we have been there before. There is a reason that UD fans get looked at the way they do by other fan bases and it's because of an elitist attitude that we have not earned.
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I am not questioning your fanhood. I know you are a passionate fan, but act like we have been there before. There is a reason that UD fans get looked at the way they do by other fan bases and it's because of an elitist attitude that we have not earned.
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I think the point is that the Marquette administration AND fans have an elitist attitude. They think we are garbage. All we are saying is that we have been to 3 NCAA's in a row (including an Elite 8) and have beaten them 5 of the last 6. If that is garbage I'll take it. (They also finished LAST in the Big East in 14-15.)
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Comparing us to other programs in the manner described in this thread makes us sound like "wanna be like you". If in fact we are equal or superior to the programs mentioned,no dissing of their programs is necessary. We stand on our own record, not theirs.
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Comparing us to other programs in the manner described in this thread makes us sound like "wanna be like you". If in fact we are equal or superior to the programs mentioned,no dissing of their programs is necessary. We stand on our own record, not theirs.
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I agree, Marquette has had a much better program the last 50 years, they are one of the top 20 programs over that time period. Dayton has had a great 3 year run, but we do not have to denigrate other programs.
I wish we were in the Big East, but am no longer envious. Dayton has had the 2nd best run the last 3 years among Big East and A10 schools as all about NCAA wins. I am content and actually now root for Big East schools as they are similar to Dayton, small private Catholic schools.
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You seem to be really impressed with the type of fan you are. As a fan for over 65 years, it is safe to say my yelling and screaming days are long past, I guess I'm not the type of fan UD "needs"
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Alabama #64...NIT projection...I obviously like our chances if #64 is an accurate ranking.
Avery Johnson seems like a good coach.
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GW #58...#5 in A10...NIT projection.
No mention at all of Coach Lonergan's controversy regarding his coaching/player treatment.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13527
Bonnie's #79, #6 in A10...NIT... Richmond was #112 and #7 in A10... Fordham #134, #8.
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Lonergan was fired so GW will probably be lucky to do that well
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WOW! Here is a story. If you read the college sports madness article referenced above by UD2, you see that the head coach (Craig Neal) has a son (Cullen Neal) who was playing basketball on the varsity team. Something happened and the coach's son is transferring out of New Mexico and going to Mississippi.
When I first read this article, I thought here is a father/son duo that didn't work out. So, I was curious and did some web searches. Attached below is the most amazing cover-up explanation that I have ever read. In the following article, they blame overzealous New Mexico fans of the team who drove the kid away from his father and the university that he loves. What! Wait a minute? The father (Head Coach) can not protect the son? The university can not protect the student?
Here you read the story......
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...her-craig-neal
I think we've all seen various combinations of father/son duos in both college and the pros. We've seen brothers playing with brothers on the same team. We've seen brothers who coach on the same team (one as head coach and one as assistant). We've seen brothers each as head coaches. I'm not sure that I have seen brothers as head coaches, coach against each other, yet? I'm not sure that I have seen a father (as head coach of one team) coach against a son (playing for another team?
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North Carolina State #52, NIT, #12 in ACC.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13540
Coach Gottfried at NCSU:
NC State (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2011–present)
2011–12 NC State 24–13 9–7 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2012–13 NC State 24–11 11–7 T–4th NCAA Round of 64
2013–14 NC State 22–14 9–9 7th NCAA Round of 64
2014–15 NC State 22–14 10–8 T–6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2015–16 NC State 16–17 5–13 13th
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Nobody is predicting this year? I guess we all know how fickle these things are.
but hey, why not! I"m going to say 28 to 34. (could be higher, depends what they think of Cunningham and some others).
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North Carolina State #52, NIT, #12 in ACC.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13540
Coach Gottfried at NCSU:
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2011–12 NC State 24–13 9–7 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2012–13 NC State 24–11 11–7 T–4th NCAA Round of 64
2013–14 NC State 22–14 9–9 7th NCAA Round of 64
2014–15 NC State 22–14 10–8 T–6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2015–16 NC State 16–17 5–13 13th
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Vanderbilt #48, #4 in SEC, NIT.
Maybe only 3 SEC teams going to the NCAAT, that seems surprising...Kentucky I'm sure, along with Florida? and Texas A&M?
New hc Bryce Drew for Vanderbilt from Valpo.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13545
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Off-topic.
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2016-2017 Overall Rank: #46
Conference Rank: #7 Big Ten
NCAA projection.
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So the brief analysis of mine is:
DP had an off year, and missed partial year. Good locker room and team guy.
Scoochie wasn't 100% himself, and we all hope Cooke and Scooch have patched things up and are able to put issues in the past.
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1) Improve at Point Play
2) Improve at outside shooting. I will first mention some subs first -
Mikesell gets more and more quality shots.
Sam Miller more consistent.
Darrell Davis improves percentage and shot selection (not rushed)? We can hope.
Cooke and Kyle D hopefully are steadier from 15 feet and out.
Shooting couldn't really get worse than last year, could it? Predicting slight Net Positive.
3) Rebounding - should be steady or improve with Josh C. A healthy Kendall and Sam and the boys up front. The obvious big loss here and in shot blocking esp is the loss of Big Steve. Hopefully X Williams starts pulling down more boards, and is committed to rebounding. Should or could be Net Positive here.
4) Ball Control - a weakness last year. Must improve the turnover amount. Hoping Crosby can and the rest can keep it together. Should be a plus this year. Have feeling John Crosby is much crisper this year, and DD improves his handle and decision making.
Then there are rookies are second year guys. Questions marks for the rest on ball handling.
Hopefully - a Net Postive on ball control . Unsure or neutral for now.
5) Defense is a big question for me this year. Cooke is an All Star Defender.... Scooch and Kyle can steal the ball and SS otherwise a so so defender. Let's see what defense Sam, Mikesell, Cunningham and some of the new guys can bring.
Dyshawn P didn't have his best defensive year last year. So we'll call Defense a Neutral issue for now. I think we have guys who can defend and RM must defend better to play. The loss of Big Steve on the court may play out to be an even bigger negative if other teammates don't step it up.
Could be a Net Negative on defense this year. 3 to 6 guys can play D. We'll see about the rest
6. Free throw shooting : seems new recruits are better at shooting the rock from the FT line. Let's see how things play out in league play. CC must shoot it better in crunch times!
Predicting Slight Net Positive here. Can we get over 70 to 72% consistently?
7. Team Chemistry - another big question. All players seem positive and focused. Team chemistry was pretty bad in parts in second half of the year. We need more team cohesion and unselfish play. I"m hoping Mikesell, Crosby and others help with this. AS CC played selfishly many times last year. Not in synch with the offense.
Predicting a Net Positive on Chemistry.
8. Bench X Williams has put on weight, and hopefully gives us some inside game around the basket to replace some of DP's points and style some. Lots of hope and potential here.
Hard to know what we get out of Trey Landers . Ryan I am high on,and John Crosby I have more faith in. Williams should improve overall, giving more quality minutes. DD i'm not speculating much on. Very hard to say how well he fits and what he gives us. I'm assuming he is 6 or 7th man.
Should be a Net Positive with our bench.
9. Coaching: Coach Miller had some off games mid to late season. OVERALL, a great team of assistants and Head Coach. Don't need say much more on coaching. VERY Net Positive.
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2016-2017 Overall Rank: #45
Conference Rank: #4 Atlantic 10
NCAA projection...4 A10 teams to NCAAT.
Jack Gibbs 23.5 ppg last year...hard to believe that he is not on the top 100 board of nbadraft.net.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13572
http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard
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He certainly was a scary guy to face in our league. But he is a volume shooter with marginal effectiveness on defense and a pedestrian ability to get to clear to the hoop. Probably the kind of player that really would need a year in the NBADL to test his overall skills. Actually his shooting from 3pt was only .335 last season---a significant drop from the year before.
But just like Jordan Sibert, he is not a guy you want to have the ball in the clutch if you are the opponent.
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He certainly was a scary guy to face in our league. But he is a volume shooter with marginal effectiveness on defense and a pedestrian ability to get to clear to the hoop. Probably the kind of player that really would need a year in the NBADL to test his overall skills. Actually his shooting from 3pt was only .335 last season---a significant drop from the year before.
But just like Jordan Sibert, he is not a guy you want to have the ball in the clutch if you are the opponent.
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2016-2017 Overall Rank: #42
Conference Rank: #3 SEC
NCAAT projection.
I think every team from here on out will be a NCAAT team.
Playing in the Wooden Legacy.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13598
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Virginia Tech #36...also in the Wooden Legacy.
Junior Justin Bibbs from CJ...Justin Bibbs is a junior guard that can stretch opposing defenses with his sharp shooting prowess from the perimeter. Bibbs shot 45 percent from behind the three-point line while averaging 11.7 points per game
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A little disappointed to see us this low, but I will give them credit -- the summary on our team is well written and isn't just the cookie cutter facts.
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The amount of love for a team that has done squat, like URI, is mind-boggling... There is no way they should be ranked ahead of us.
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Conference opponents used to say this about us every year. All that matters are the standings at the end of the season. I'm confident we can knock them off.
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The amount of love for a team that has done squat, like URI, is mind-boggling... There is no way they should be ranked ahead of us.
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They were pretty good last year with a team that was killed by injuries. They get a projected first round NBA pick back in Mathews who played a whole 10 minutes last year, Hassan Martin back at full strength after playing very banged up, and get a second year of Kuran Iverson. I am not saying they are better than us, but they are definitely on par. I have no problem with people ranking them slightly ahead of us.
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The amount of love for a team that has done squat, like URI, is mind-boggling... There is no way they should be ranked ahead of us.
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Amen. Last year they had all the injuries which killed them, but the year before if I remember correctly people thought they would be pretty good too. Then they couldn't score at all. They may have a great roster according to all the experts but until they actually do something I'm going to remain skeptical. Their problem could also be Hurley being out of control most of the time and that he may not be a very good coach.
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They were pretty good last year with a team that was killed by injuries. They get a projected first year NBA pick back in Mathews who played a whole 10 minutes last year, Hassan Martin back at full strength after playing very banged up, and add get a second year of Kuran Iverson. I am not saying they are better than us, but they are definitely on par. I have no problem with people ranking them slightly ahead of us.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying URI blows... But I still really surprised right now any one will pick URI over UD, I might actually pick VCU over URI because they have actually proved it. Plus, EC coming back from ACL reconstruction is never a sure thing.
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Rhode Island is a home and home correct? Can someone refresh my memory on our pod this year? Hope VCU also, i know UD was pushing the league for the best teams to get in the pod with the best teams.
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Our glaring weaknesses in the stats were turnovers and scoring. If we solve those two, we can be Top 25.
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Free-Throw Percentage: 66.8 (286, 13)
Being #286(#13 in the A10)in free throw percentage is an area where I think they could do better.
Otherwise though, an optimistic write-up.
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Rhode Island is a home and home correct? Can someone refresh my memory on our pod this year? Hope VCU also, i know UD was pushing the league for the best teams to get in the pod with the best teams.
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We play VCU, Rhode Island, St Louis, Duquesne, and St Bonnie twice.
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I agree, but still like us in the second position. Let all that #1 pressure work on URI. Someone can go ahead and call them a lock for the Elite Eight. Pump them up some more.
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I think the review was fair and well written. Seemed a lot more positive on the status and condition of Pollard than is being told the team. Front court being an issue was not a secret but we have options with some playing experience and not depending on just Pollard. Poor free throwing (#286) has always driven me crazy and appears to be borne out by the stats. I don't know or follow stats but, assuming that 70% is the national average, I'll bet we lost at least five or more points per game with missed free throws. That is a speculation from just watching. Somebody out there in Flyer Nation probably has better info. While I would certainly rather be #1 in the A10 going in and #1 coming out of the A10, but because of the toughness of the league, I can live with #2 both times. But if it has to be #2 after the league tournament, please let it not be to the whine master at URI!!!
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Not to be Cap'n Bringdown, but I feel like the FT shooting talk is overblown.
We shot 66.8% last year, on an average of about 23 free throws taken per game. While yes, I would love to get that average up, because it is frustrating to waste those opportunities... increasing to just the national average would be an increase of about 0.8 points per game.
Yes, it will help in close games, of which we had more than we would like last year. But our average scoring margin was +6.6 points. Increasing that to +7.4 or so isn't going to significantly move the needle.
The key at the end of the game is getting the ball into the good free throw shooters' hands... do that, and you'll be fine.
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Not to be Cap'n Bringdown, but I feel like the FT shooting talk is overblown.
We shot 66.8% last year, on an average of about 23 free throws taken per game. While yes, I would love to get that average up, because it is frustrating to waste those opportunities... increasing to just the national average would be an increase of about 0.8 points per game.
Yes, it will help in close games, of which we had more than we would like last year. But our average scoring margin was +6.6 points. Increasing that to +7.4 or so isn't going to significantly move the needle.
The key at the end of the game is getting the ball into the good free throw shooters' hands... do that, and you'll be fine.
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Interesting that getting FT % up to national average would not even be good for a point a game. What that says it is not just us. FT shooting % is just not good all over college bball.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
Not to be Cap'n Bringdown, but I feel like the FT shooting talk is overblown.
We shot 66.8% last year, on an average of about 23 free throws taken per game. While yes, I would love to get that average up, because it is frustrating to waste those opportunities... increasing to just the national average would be an increase of about 0.8 points per game.
Yes, it will help in close games, of which we had more than we would like last year. But our average scoring margin was +6.6 points. Increasing that to +7.4 or so isn't going to significantly move the needle.
The key at the end of the game is getting the ball into the good free throw shooters' hands... do that, and you'll be fine.
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This is an example where an average is a statistic, but not a descriptive statistic. The 0.8 per game may be a fact all things being equal, but the bigger issue is the strategic advantage it gives other teams.
Example: we're out of timeouts. St. Joe's has the ball in a tie game with a 1 point deficit and 15 seconds on the clock but only 2 on the shot clock. St. Joe's breaks the huddle with their biggest lineup, clearly looking to throw the ball at the rim and then go get the rebound. Dayton is 15-25 from the line and Pollard is 1-7 on the night and 50% on the year, while our other 3 post players haven't missed all night, and are each over 80% on the year.
Now, rebounding the ball is job A-1, and if Pollard gives us the best chance at that, he's on the floor. No debate there. But what if AM decides that we're equally as likely to get the rebound without Pollard on the court, but can increase our chances of making both FT's after the ensuing foul with him on the bench?
What if the other team is using a hack-a-shaq strategy? We're up 1 and need to go the length of the court against pressure, and Williams is in the game instead of Pollard--and then Williams dribbles it off his foot. No missed FT is recorded but we lose the game.
Or how about a team that's a great FT shooting team? The defense spends an extra 10 seconds trying to steal the ball in a critical situation because they know instant fouls are automatic 2 points. That's 2 less possessions, that's 4 less FT's with a team's best FT shooters on the court, and so the box score shows that great FT shooting team took less FT's than they otherwise would have (all things being equal).
Yes, averaging out the FT% across the whole year makes a fairly trivial difference, but if a player is a poor FT shooter it limits critical flexibility a coach can use in any given situation. That doesn't show up in the box score and tends to pull averages toward the middle.
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The problem is, one of the guys that gets to the line most is our worst free throw shooter. When KP shot well from the line (for him like 4-6 or 5-8) then the team percentage was normally well above average. When KP had a 1-7 game, the team's percentage was well below average.
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
Nobody is predicting this year? I guess we all know how fickle these things are.
but hey, why not! I"m going to say 28 to 34. (could be higher, depends what they think of Cunningham and some others).
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
This is an example where an average is a statistic, but not a descriptive statistic. The 0.8 per game may be a fact all things being equal, but the bigger issue is the strategic advantage it gives other teams.
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That's why I said "yes, it will help in close games". But the average is the average. Some games, it might cost you a win, other games it might save you down the stretch depending on who's shooting well or who's not... but that's similar to many other statistics. Like any other average, this doesn't mean you'll be 67% in every game... in some you'll be 45% and others maybe 85%. I just don't think FT shooting was really killing or holding this team back last year at all in retrospect. FT shooting certainly didn't make a lick of difference vs. Syracuse.
It is definitely frustrating to watch at times, though.
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Rhode Island checks in at 25 out of 144 and 1st in the A10.
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Zach Kent update: 10/15 official visit to Tennessee. Warm on Tennesse and cool on Dayton.
Isaac Kante update: last activity was 09/15. Cool on everbody including Dayton.
Jayvon Graves update: last activity was 09/16. Warm on Buffalo, Fordham, Toledo and Kent State. Not so much on Dayton. Crystal ball is 100 percent Buffalo.
Daryl Morsell update: per this blog he cancels trip to Dayton. Warm on Maryland, Notre Dame and Dayton. Crystal ball is 100 prrcent on Maryland.
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Sorry put the above in the wrong folder, intended for recruiting.
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What exactly is a "tie game with a 1 point deficit"?
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My bad! Re-wrote and missed deleting that.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
The key at the end of the game is getting the ball into the good free throw shooters' hands... do that, and you'll be fine.
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Bingo. That's always been the hope, and for the most part we have succeeded. It would be interesting to know what our ft shooting % was for games under a 5 point spread with less than 5 minutes left. I dunno, but it just feels like we do ok.
Our ft defense is pretty good. We shoot 2.5% better than our opponents. So yes, maybe we are missing an opportunity, but all other things being equal, we are not losing games at the line--on average.
We also shoot and make, substantially more ft's than our opponents. So we got that going for us as well. So yes, looking at our ft % in a vacuum, we are a miserable 292 places from the top, but there is more to the story.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
That's why I said "yes, it will help in close games". But the average is the average. Some games, it might cost you a win, other games it might save you down the stretch depending on who's shooting well or who's not... but that's similar to many other statistics. Like any other average, this doesn't mean you'll be 67% in every game... in some you'll be 45% and others maybe 85%. I just don't think FT shooting was really killing or holding this team back last year at all in retrospect. FT shooting certainly didn't make a lick of difference vs. Syracuse.
It is definitely frustrating to watch at times, though.
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I think you're thinking of this in terms of the total points on the board at the end of the game, not "how" those points got there. For example, a big first half lead gets built because of missed FT's during a critical stretch, which leads to more pressure over halftime, which leads to pressured 3-point shots while trying to get back in the game, which leads to stressed substitution patterns, which leads to a comfortable 10 point loss where UD hits 5 pressure-free FT's in a row at the end of the game and we make our 66% average.
The tipping point causes the impact to be much, much larger than 0.8 points, and the impact is felt more often than just the last 5 minutes of a close game.
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http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13667
Saint Mary's #24, #2 in the WCC...I assume that Gonzaga is #1 in the WCC.
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If you don't think the ft's we missed coming out of the half against the cuse didn't have a tremendous impact on that game then my friend that is a sad display of knowledge regarding college bb especially in tournament play!!!
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We were sadly outplayed and obviously deficient totally on the offensive end in the second half. Free throws were but a small piece of that. We were awol in the second half. Any knowledgeable fan could see that---my friend.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
We were sadly outplayed and obviously deficient totally on the offensive end in the second half. Free throws were but a small piece of that. We were awol in the second half. Any knowledgeable fan could see that---my friend.
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Momentum is a funny thing, and I'm not just talking about p=mv.
Anyone who insists on thinking FT's only matter in the final 5 minutes is really, in my opinion, just clinging to a trite cliche and ignoring extremely important factors.
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I read as far as "I can't prove that momentum does or does not exist"
And yet, 1 of about a billion Google results that conclude that mental state matters to performance:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/roger-c..._b_892562.html
One might conclude that making a few in a row impacts your mental state. Or, your teammates making a few in a row gives you confidence.
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Originally Posted by Shawnee2
SDF I truly believe you r a good guy and Flyer Fanatic but I respectfully disagree!
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Sometimes the next morning I disagree with myself. (but this isn't one of them)
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
Sometimes the next morning I disagree with myself. (but this isn't one of them)
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I disrespectfully disagree with myself quite a bit - especially on the golf course.
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I concur with both of you gentleman but those missed free throws seemed to send us spiraling??? But who knows?
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