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Old 09-19-2016, 06:12 PM
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Question Red Blue Game?

Can someone please share the date and time of the Red/Blue game?

It's free, and the good Lord knows how much the Marianist love free stuffism.

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Red/Blue scrimmage is Saturday, Oct. 22. Haven't seen start time yet.
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Smile Could be a big deal

Thank you Flyer 79. A month out, it would be a great time for UD to post an article/story containing the details of event.

6-8 weeks would actually be a much better and perfectly normal amount of time to promote. Red/Blue Game is a perfectly wasted fan cultivation opportunity for UD. Could be a tradition of 10 - 13,000++, but the administrative mindset isn't there.
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:03 AM
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I doubt you'll ever get 10-13,000 fans in the arena for what is essentially a glorified practice. There are football games on TV, youth sports to attend, falls leaves to rake, etc, etc, etc.... sure, there are many people that are interested, but are not going to invest the time it takes to make it out to the arena for a practice. I'm one of those people; wanted to take my son out there last year, but he had a 2nd round playoff game that conflicted with the R&B game, similar story this year (assuming we pick up a bye and/or win our 1st game). I'm sure there are many similar stories for people with kids or grandkids in soccer, lacrosse, band, cross country, etc.... People that are very much interested, just don't have the time, or are not willing to push something else aside for a practice.
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:10 AM
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During last springs' Ohio State FB game there were 100K fans in the stands.

For UD BB, if promoted well and at a time and date that enabled working people (and families) to attend, no reason that the attendance couldn't at least approach the lower arena being completely filled.

Freebee's handed out like posters of either women's or men's team, Flyer Towels, etc. Door prize's such as single game tickets to a family. All that to build excitement for fan participation.

I do believe they have a session where they give the opportunity to get some signatures, but not sure what else they provide in the way of building that excitement (besides seeing the players play of course!)
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Thank you Flyer 79. A month out, it would be a great time for UD to post an article/story containing the details of event.

6-8 weeks would actually be a much better and perfectly normal amount of time to promote. Red/Blue Game is a perfectly wasted fan cultivation opportunity for UD. Could be a tradition of 10 - 13,000++, but the administrative mindset isn't there.
We barely get 13k for home games anymore, and if you guy by actual attendance instead of paid attendance, I bet its more in the 11.5-12k range. No way we get 10-13k unless we are coming off of a National Title.

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Drove up from Florida a few years age to attend the red &blue game, vollyball vs. charlotte, and fooball game game all on the same day. would have to say that the least interesting was the R&B '"game". Little more than a practice and unless you were really following the players it was hard to tell who was who. Hard for me to see the general public coming out 13,000 strong for this event. For the avid fan yes, for the casual fan, not so much.
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Hard for me to see the general public coming out 13,000 strong for this event. For the avid fan yes, for the casual fan, not so much.
I'm an avid fan (30+ year season ticket holder), and I won't be there. Too much else going on to take time out for a glorified practice. No way they could ever get 10,000+.
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We barely get 13k for home games anymore, and if you guy by actual attendance instead of paid attendance, I bet its more in the 11.5-12k range. No way we get 10-13k unless we are coming off of a National Title.
Yea the program is really tanking under AM's leadership
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Yea the program is really tanking under AM's leadership
Did I say that? Maybe my vision is not as good as it used to be, but there are a lot of 400 level seats open during games. There are also a lot more scattered 100 and 200 level seats open during games than there used to be. This isn't just happening at UD basketball games. It is happening across the country for many successful college teams. Sports attendance in general is going down. Many people prefer to watch games in the comfort of their own home.
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I've been living in North Carolina the last two seasons and am now back in the Dayton area. What time has the game been the last two years?
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Last year it was scheduled later in the morning so you could leave for the football game and then volleyball later that evening. This year there is no football game or volleyball match scheduled.

They might change it and have it in the evening.
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Just tweeted. Doors open at 1pm.
Women's game starts at 2.
Men's game starts at 3.

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UD wouldn't move game to evening due to conflict with Ohio State Football kickoff time. Perhaps not the only reason, but certainly a smart decision.

Like I noted above in regards to attendance, the administrative mindset isn't there. Trust me, I could put 10 to 13K in arena for Red/BLUE GAMES. It might take me a year or two for it to catch on, but it can be done so easily.
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Like I noted above in regards to attendance, the administrative mindset isn't there. Trust me, I could put 10 to 13K in arena for Red/BLUE GAMES. It might take me a year or two for it to catch on, but it can be done so easily.
You sound JUST like Trump. Beatty for POTUS in 2020!

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You sound JUST like Trump. Beatty for POTUS in 2020!
Maybe he can do it "bigly"
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You sound JUST like Trump. Beatty for POTUS in 2020!
Almost every single fan out there knows this. He would make it 'uge. The best it's ever been. These people have been doing this Black and Blue* thing for 30 years, what makes you think they'll fix it now?

*I never said Black and Blue, I said Red and Blue.
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I know they will not fix it. I said as much in the third post of this thread, I stated, "but the administrative mindset isn't there".

I said I could do it; hell I know their not going to it.

If a single home game produced only 500 shows, UD would say, oh well, basketball just not popular anymore.

So far, I have read nothing in this thread proving you can't draw 10K to red/blue. The only excuse I have seen thus far, is my some kids play sports on Saturday, and the leaves need raked. Based on those conflicts, no one would ever show up at or participate in anything.

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I know they will not fix it. I said as much in the third post of this thread, I stated, "but the administrative mindset isn't there".

I said I could do it; hell I know their not going to it.

If a single home game produced only 500 shows, UD would say, oh well, basketball just not popular anymore.

So far, I have read nothing in this thread proving you can't draw 10K to red/blue. The only excuse I have seen thus far, is my some kids play sports on Saturday, and the leaves need raked. Based on those conflicts, no one would ever show up at or participate in anything.
In all seriousness, I'm not even sure why you would want to.
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Inner city social justice project...Marianist style of course.
Recruitment of future student athletes.
Cultivation of fans, donors, etal.
Season ticket holder appreciation day
Additional opportunity for team to play in front of fans and bright lights...especially freshman and transfers, or sophomores who didn't play that much as frosh.
extra media coverage.
dry run day..iron out more kinks for all in involved.
Create a different supply and demand perception
revenue raising for Athletic department
perception that the program commands that level of respect, interest, and love.

I haven't even gotten started yet...believe me, big league, big time, like you have never seen before.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
I know they will not fix it. I said as much in the third post of this thread, I stated, "but the administrative mindset isn't there".

I said I could do it; hell I know their not going to it.

If a single home game produced only 500 shows, UD would say, oh well, basketball just not popular anymore.

So far, I have read nothing in this thread proving you can't draw 10K to red/blue. The only excuse I have seen thus far, is my some kids play sports on Saturday, and the leaves need raked. Based on those conflicts, no one would ever show up at or participate in anything.
There is no better proof than the exhibition game on display every year. The average attendance for this is maybe 5000. What makes you think 2X are going to go to a glorified practice for an hour? Fans don't show up in greater numbers for a complete exhibition game against another opponent which is more entertaining than seeing the guys dribble, dunk, and shake hands/kiss babies? I guess your genius marketing skills could improve both...
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I haven't even gotten started yet...believe me, big league, big time, like you have never seen before.
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If you get to a point where UD Arena is sold out every night and this is the only way some fans can get in (at least easily) during the season, then there's a good chance it'll grow. As it is, most fans that want to come to a game can (and do). But to give up a Saturday for a practice when there are a number of other options, I don't blame anybody.
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Coach is simply taking shots at the Admin. And his case in point, that he could do it easily is an unproveable one. He would never get the chance to do it thus the brave words.
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Coach is simply taking shots at the Admin. And his case in point, that he could do it easily is an unproveable one. He would never get the chance to do it thus the brave words.
This is similar to those who continuously took shots at the administration 7 or 8 years ago - they weren't trying, they didn't care, all they cared about was ticket sales, etc. Then Archie happened and it seemed the shots would stop - but some people are never happy.
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OK, I'll bite.

Inner city social justice project...Marianist style of course.
->I have no idea what you're talking about. Are we still talking about people watching a basketball game?

Recruitment of future student athletes.
->They already get in free to see us play a real opponent, and can attend practice at any time. This is neither of those. Kids are too savvy to be impressed by pep rallies.

Cultivation of fans, donors, etal.
->Donors already get royal treatment at real, live games that someone actually cares about. What are we going to do to cultivate 10,000 fans that we couldn't do during a game? Let them all take a shot during a live game and make the practice last 11 hours?

Season ticket holder appreciation day
->Every game day is season ticket holder appreciation day. They already paid their $. Do you think they'll show up to have their names read 1-by-1 over the loudspeaker? 10,000 of them? Or are you going to give them a free Coke and popcorn--because people who can afford the thousands of $ for season tix can't buy their own 2 liter of pop?

Additional opportunity for team to play in front of fans and bright
lights...especially freshman and transfers, or sophomores who didn't play that much as frosh.
->The lights are the same color no matter how many fans are in the stands. 5,000 fans (or 10,000) that are 1/2 asleep and drinking free Coke does not, and never will, in any way simulate a live game environment.

extra media coverage.
->Local media will cover 10,000 fans the same way they cover 5,000. It will be a paragraph on the 3rd page. No one outside of Dayton will report on this. Ever.

dry run day..iron out more kinks for all in involved.
->Have you seen the ushers? They're 89 years old and they've been doing this for 45 years--same for the rest of the staff. Outside of the parking situation year-to-year, the dry run is no different with 5K fans vs. 10K fans.

Create a different supply and demand perception
->At the end of the day, don't forget to optimize your portfolio of perception assets while equitizing season ticket holder goodwill.

revenue raising for Athletic department
->Charge more for actual games. Less people will come if you charge. The fact that admission is not charged is already a goodwill gesture to the fans. Plus you've got to cover the costs of all that free Coke.

perception that the program commands that level of respect, interest, and love.
->Because being top 25 in the country in home attendance is so overrated.

I haven't even gotten started yet...believe me, big league, big time, like you have never seen before.
->It's too bad every other program in the country doesn't have you. . . and only you. . . who knows how to do this. It must be difficult to keep so much greatness bottled up inside.
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If they bring back the free doughnuts, I bet you get 10K there.
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Not with those bad donuts they used give out. But I love that selfieeee buster, that really captures your personality.

Okay Gazoo, I agree they should cancel red/blue game. Why is it they have it again???

It is amazing the push back and animosity some of you feel in regards to another ticket holder saying the event could be bigger. If that made you mad, get a life...quickly.

Finally, and this is for those that illegitimately attempted to apply my above statements as criticism of the basketball coach, coaches, or team....clearly it was not, not even close.
To the contrary, however, it would be much more realistic, if some of you took honest stock of the situation, and acknowledged that 50 to 90% of UD's success during the last two and half seasons is extensively linked to the current makeup of the Atlantic 10 Conference. When the big three programs left, UD more than coincidencentaly got better. The 2013-14 Flyers had the depth, experience, and talent; but the last teams extensively benniffited from a lesser included A10.

I simply suggested the Red/Blue game could be a nicer, bigger, and better attended event; and it sent several of you into an emotional freenzy.

Go back to your presidents club meeting, get down on your red and blue knees, and thank God Dayton is a member of the lesser included A10.
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And while you are on your knees, please pray for more division II opponents on UD's big time schedule. As Mrs. Beatty and myself have lots of leaf raking, and we have 19 nieces/nephews who play sports, are in plays, and band concerts. So keep the Division II and low end DIII games coming...we know you will. And GO FLYERS, beat the crap out of those D2 teams, and scrimmage low end Illinois who hasn't done anything in twenty years. Those two things together are sure to make you a national contender and immediate member of the BIG EAST.
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I know BTC's plan.

No, to wash down the donuts, they could have big vats of red and blue Kool Aid. Archie could grab the mike preach about the utopia he was creating. He would then encourage people to come down out of the stands and drink the Kool Aid.
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Okay Gazoo, I agree they should cancel red/blue game. Why is it they have it again???
They have it as a highly effective (measured by cost / excitement generated) official kickoff to the season, allowing fans to get up close and personal to the court where most cannot usually sit. If 10,000 fans were there, this would cease to be true. The fans who already will see 15 games a year from that angle just aren't that interested.

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It is amazing the push back and animosity some of you feel in regards to another ticket holder saying the event could be bigger. If that made you mad, get a life...quickly.

I simply suggested the Red/Blue game could be a nicer, bigger, and better attended event; and it sent several of you into an emotional freenzy.
No, what you said was, "Red/Blue Game is a perfectly wasted fan cultivation opportunity for UD."

So I would imagine that when Mrs. BTC burns a meatloaf, you suggest that the meal could have been nicer by saying, "this is a perfectly wasted opportunity to eat good food." Because that's how normal people talk to each other in your world.

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To the contrary, however, it would be much more realistic, if some of you took honest stock of the situation, and acknowledged that 50 to 90% of UD's success during the last two and half seasons is extensively linked to the current makeup of the Atlantic 10 Conference. When the big three programs left, UD more than coincidencentaly got better. The 2013-14 Flyers had the depth, experience, and talent; but the last teams extensively benniffited from a lesser included A10.
Are we still talking about the red / blue game? Because I really didn't realize that Boise State, Providence, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Syracuse, Stanford, and Florida were DII and DIII teams. I'll have to recheck my sources on that but I'm like 99% sure they're DI.
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To the contrary, however, it would be much more realistic, if some of you took honest stock of the situation, and acknowledged that 50 to 90% of UD's success during the last two and half seasons is extensively linked to the current makeup of the Atlantic 10 Conference. When the big three programs left, UD more than coincidencentaly got better. The 2013-14 Flyers had the depth, experience, and talent; but the last teams extensively benniffited from a lesser included A10.

I simply suggested the Red/Blue game could be a nicer, bigger, and better attended event; and it sent several of you into an emotional freenzy.

Go back to your presidents club meeting, get down on your red and blue knees, and thank God Dayton is a member of the lesser included A10.
I assume that you are referring to Butler, Temple, and Xavier. Charlotte has not been that strong for a while now.

Regular season RPI's for the last 3 years since Butler, Temple, and Xavier left:

Xavier 7, 30, 47 average 28
Dayton 22, 43, 32 average 32.3
Butler 56, 31, 150 average 79
Temple 60, 34, 175 average 89.7


The numbers don't really support your argument.

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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
And while you are on your knees, please pray for more division II opponents on UD's big time schedule. As Mrs. Beatty and myself have lots of leaf raking, and we have 19 nieces/nephews who play sports, are in plays, and band concerts. So keep the Division II and low end DIII games coming...we know you will. And GO FLYERS, beat the crap out of those D2 teams, and scrimmage low end Illinois who hasn't done anything in twenty years. Those two things together are sure to make you a national contender and immediate member of the BIG EAST.
I think the only person getting worked up over this conversation is you...
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
Not with those bad donuts they used give out. But I love that selfieeee buster, that really captures your personality.

Okay Gazoo, I agree they should cancel red/blue game. Why is it they have it again???

It is amazing the push back and animosity some of you feel in regards to another ticket holder saying the event could be bigger. If that made you mad, get a life...quickly.

Finally, and this is for those that illegitimately attempted to apply my above statements as criticism of the basketball coach, coaches, or team....clearly it was not, not even close.
To the contrary, however, it would be much more realistic, if some of you took honest stock of the situation, and acknowledged that 50 to 90% of UD's success during the last two and half seasons is extensively linked to the current makeup of the Atlantic 10 Conference. When the big three programs left, UD more than coincidencentaly got better. The 2013-14 Flyers had the depth, experience, and talent; but the last teams extensively benniffited from a lesser included A10.

I simply suggested the Red/Blue game could be a nicer, bigger, and better attended event; and it sent several of you into an emotional freenzy.

Go back to your presidents club meeting, get down on your red and blue knees, and thank God Dayton is a member of the lesser included A10.
Not worked up at all. YOU stated that YOU could get 10-13k fans to attended this event and bashed UD for not trying harder to get the 10-13K at the R&B game. I simply disagreed.
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Maybe if they play Wright State during the Red/Blue game it'll get more attention........
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The so called numbers might not, but Butler for sure and likely Temple, are easily having better numbers playing in the low end A10. The numbers are relative in the since that both Xavier and Butler play in a conference with the National Champions; and Temple plays in conference with a very recent national champion, a team ud lost to, even when that team wasn't playing well...at all. Like I said, thank goodness for the lesser included A10.
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I think they could make it a bigger event but i can honestly say that I dont mind driving close to the arena with little traffic for the red blue game
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Offseason ****ing contests are the best.... i miss them
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While I don't think the Red-Blue games are the most exciting things in the world, it is nice to have for those that are not able to get to games during the season because they don't have season tickets or just can't get their hands on tickets or can't afford them. Plus it's nice for the kids. I've enjoyed the ones I've been too. I think it's worth keeping them, but that's just my honest opinion.
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These "First Look" events are only paid attention to by fans and media for those institutions that the media itself designate as elite level, and even then, only those institutions that can and do pour money into said event as to make it an "Entertainment Spectacle".

UK is the prime example. They know these are shows, not practice sessions. They pay for appearances by top musical acts, laser shows. It's more Vegas than Lexington.

UNC and Michigan State do these as well.

One of the main reasons these schools can do this is because of the revenue that can be generated for sponsorships of the event itself.

UD will not allocate the necessary funds to put on a show of this calibre. Dayton area companies will not fork out the sponsorship money for this because there is not a high enough ROI.

For UD, as an institution, to even be interested in putting on a Midnight Madness type event again, a rich Donor will have to be the one to approach the administration with a demand that a large portion of the donation be used specifically for the event.

UD has many high level donors, but I doubt a Phil Knight type of donor will walk through their doors.
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From a pure basketball stand point, the red blue basketball is not very good. The players are nowhere close to midseason form and the chemistry is most often not present. The games are very sloppy AND often the best player on the court was the redshirt player who was not going to play that year; such as Vee Sanford or Jordan Sibert.

I learn very little about the team watching the scrimmage.
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The UD Red/Blue game has always been about watching the players by true UD fans. How do the new players look? How much have players improved? And I think that attendance is good when it doesn't even receive much mention if any on the local sports segments.

I actually liked it in the mornings but understand that players and other might not want to get up that early to entertain fans with a practice.

Despite the lack of freebies I am looking forward to the Red/Blue game
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Interesting that I heard Colin Cowherd mention the other day that virtually all sports ratings were down and it was attributed to the presidential election and all the attention it is drawing. I think the off season p!ssing contests in Mens Basketball are fewer this year because most of the p!ssing contests are being held in the Off Topics Gibberish forum.
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I actually liked it in the mornings but understand that players and other might not want to get up that early to entertain fans with a practice.
I prefer the morning or at least noon schedule as well.
As for the players, there was at least one year where they had a morning practice and then came back for the "show." They all looked tired and the shooting was awful. Archie doesn't like to give up practice time.
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[QUOTE=SeasonTicketFan;465968]From a pure basketball stand point, the red blue basketball is not very good. The players are nowhere close to midseason form and the chemistry is most often not present. The games are very sloppy AND often the best player on the court was the redshirt player who was not going to play that year; such as Vee Sanford or Jordan Sibert.

It looked like all the team was going to be eligible this year which would mean there would be no best player in the game. Perhaps this is why the Greek has now been put in a position of possibly not being eligible to play this year. The Greek has to sit out the year for the good of the Red and Blue Game.
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From a pure basketball stand point, the red blue basketball is not very good. The players are nowhere close to midseason form and the chemistry is most often not present. The games are very sloppy AND often the best player on the court was the redshirt player who was not going to play that year; such as Vee Sanford or Jordan Sibert.

It looked like all the team was going to be eligible this year which would mean there would be no best player in the game. Perhaps this is why the Greek has now been put in a position of possibly not being eligible to play this year. The Greek has to sit out the year for the good of the Red and Blue Game.
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My lawn looks a little high, and the leaves are starting to hit the lawn, and my nieces and nephews are in a thousand activities this weekend; but I might squeeze in the red/blue game, because it's one of the few times UD will play Division I ncaa tournament caliber competition at the UD Arena this year.

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My lawn looks a little high, and the leaves are starting to hit the lawn, and my nieces and nephews are in a thousand activities this weekend; but I might squeeze in the red/blue game, because it's one of the few times UD will play Division I ncaa tournament caliber competition at the UD Arena this year.

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Yeah, because St. Mary's, Vandy, VCU, Rhode Island, Bonnies, Richmond and St. Joe never make the tournament or are tournament quality.
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I don't know why so many "fans" are complaining about the Red and Blue scrimmage. It's called that for a reason--It's a SCRIMMAGE! It's not meant to be a real game with players at full strength or ability like they will be later in the season It's a chance for fans to see them up close. The players switch sides and are not exclusively red or blue. Get a grip! They just started real practices last week. I look forward to this preview and don't judge them for not being in the best form yet.
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I look forward to the red/blue
Get to sit in close up seats
Can park close to Arena
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Biggest ? - how is Pollard able to play
I doubt Pollard plays, why risk it... I wonder if he plays next weekend against Marquette in the secret scrimmage (Shhh lol)

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I doubt Pollard plays, why risk it... I wonder if he plays next weekend against Marquette in the secret scrimmage (Shhh lol)

Have him ready for the Findlay game
I agree that Pollard won't play in the Red/Blue game. I'll be surprised if he plays against Findlay, but if he does play it won't be very many minutes at all.
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Any word on video streaming the R/B game? Findlay? Actually, I don't see any streaming on the Dayton Flyers website.
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Any word on video streaming the R/B game? Findlay? Actually, I don't see any streaming on the Dayton Flyers website.
Sounds like the R&B Game won't be streamed.

The Findlay game probably will... just the link wasn't made public yet
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Yeah, because St. Mary's, Vandy, VCU, Rhode Island, Bonnies, Richmond and St. Joe never make the tournament or are tournament quality.
Notice, I said one of the few times; I did not say there are no opponents of that caliber.

I grant you Saint Joes...cant dispute it.

I grant you VCU based on recent history; 8 of last 10 years, but not much prior to that...only seven times in program history prior to ten years ago.

Vandy only once in last four years, and that was a "first four" defeat (by 20 points). Vandy has a total of ten ncaa tourney wins in history. Not exactly Kentucky. (you might have a small argument with Vandy... but small argument).

But that's all you get; the rest are not even close.

Saint Mary's only 8 NCAA Tourney appearances in history...very low number of appearances, that is including both 1958 and 1959; and zero times in the last three years; so, no "standard" four year senior on their squad has ever been in the NCAA's.

I cannot believe you attempted to imply the great NCAA Tournament StallWorthism of SLU, Bonnies, Richmond, or Rhody. Oh my Lord, you didn't! And yet, you did.

Rhody has not made an NCAA appearance in 18 seasons. Even if they might be better this year, not worth discussing as an example.

SLU, only 9 NCAA appearances in school history...that's very low. That includes 1952 and 1957. Haven't been in three years (only their senior class has seen NCAA tourney; they were horrible last couple of years. 11-21 both of last two seasons....laughable.

Bonnies six times in history, including 1961, 1968, 1970, and 1978. Made two appearances in 40 years; zero wins in ncaa tourney since 1970; one appearance in last 16 seasons,; and zero appearances in past four seasons (so no four year senior on this years team has played in NCAA's). I like the Bonnies, and I always enjoy their games against the Flyers, but this is a pathetic example on your part...not even worthy of discussion.

The might Richmond Spiders might be good at beating Brian Gregory Coached teams in the A10 final, but they have only made a total of nine ncaa tourney appearance in school history...another very low number per your ncaa tourney StallWorthism list...pathetic. Spiders only have two appearances in last 12 years; nothing in the last six seasons, and only one in NIT in thirteen years. Another low end example for which you have provided.

Based on this logic, I am surprised that you didn't include the ncaa powerhouses of Duquesne, George Mason, and mighty LaSalle.

I rest my case upon reality; and you rest yours on fantasy land thinking. Go figure!

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Are we still talking about the red / blue game? Because I really didn't realize that Boise State, Providence, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Syracuse, Stanford, and Florida were DII and DIII teams. I'll have to recheck my sources on that but I'm like 99% sure they're DI.
Gazoo, which one of the above listed schools did UD schedule to a one way game, a home and home, or home and away?????????

Unlike you, I don't have to do any checking; because I am like 100% sure!

Not a one! Nor will any of them be doing so (Boise possibly, not likely), in this lifetime. Well maybe in a thousands years, but not my lifetime.
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Gazoo, which one of the above listed schools did UD schedule to a one way game, a home and home, or home and away?????????

Unlike you, I don't have to do any checking; because I am like 100% sure!

Not a one! Nor will any of them be doing so (Boise possibly, not likely), in this lifetime. Well maybe in a thousands years, but not my lifetime.
Kentucky, DePaul, North Carolina, Louisville, Creighton, Cincinnati, Seton Hall, New Mexico, Alabama, Arkansas, Marquette, Ole Miss, NW, Pitt, USC, etc...scheduling is getting tougher with 20 game league schedules on the horizon...St. Mary's was a major coup.

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I agree, Saint Mary's is a good pick-up. I have no problem with that. And, I never suggested any one team was not acceptable for a schedule. But I wouldn't count Alabama, Northwestern, DePaul, as significant two way contracts. Their okay, but is Northwestern an actual two way contract, or just a one time game in their home town? At-least DePaul is a rival, but they have not been good in at-least 12 years, and really not for about 25 or 30 years.

Aside from the Findlay Oilers exhibition game, UD plays no schools from Ohio, has no out of conference rival, and very little in the way of in-conference rival. Following three NCAA appearances, is there still no chance or willingness to go out an play at-least one major powerhouse program. Could we not have just chucked the DII game for a one-way against a really compelling national program??? Exempt tournaments are good band aide, but only if you draw the right opening game, and only if the other right teams win game one, and you yourself when games in it. Otherwise the exempt games work against you in many regards, and you don't necessarily come out of them with big name opponents.

20 game conference schedule? Are sure about that? Don't you mean 18 game conference schedule?
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20 game conference schedule? Are sure about that? Don't you mean 18 game conference schedule?
ACC going to 20 game league schedule in 2019...I think that the ACC is the first p5 league to do this.


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Okay, that's interesting, but that's not UD, and the ACC is only one conference; and its not 2019 yet. Obviously, it has nothing to do with why UD cannot schedule one Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, level of game.

I have to believe that anything short of a National Championship, which will be tough to come by, UD has zero intentions, or apparent ability to schedule one such game. Amazing! Not to mention boring!
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What is amazing is people still complaining about the schedule, especially those not in Pride+ who have not read Chris' detailed explanations of how the schedule is built, and how difficult it is for UD to schedule.
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Okay, that's interesting, but that's not UD, and the ACC is only one conference; and its not 2019 yet. Obviously, it has nothing to do with why UD cannot schedule one Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, level of game.

I have to believe that anything short of a National Championship, which will be tough to come by, UD has zero intentions, or apparent ability to schedule one such game. Amazing! Not to mention boring!
You might have a point about playing a one way game at like Duke instead of playing the d2 school.

The d2 school does not hurt the rpi, whereas Duke, win or lose:

-actually helps the rpi a lot I think
-the sos is helped a lot too
-plus, you have a chance at getting a tremendous win.
-Also, you get paid to play at their place.

But a loss to Duke does hurt the top 25 and top 50 record.

UD would lose the home game revenue though, that is a huge problem and is probably a deal breaker.

Would Duke buy UD for a game? How much would they pay vs. how much UD makes from one home game?

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What is amazing is people still complaining about the schedule, especially those not in Pride+ who have not read Chris' detailed explanations of how the schedule is built, and how difficult it is for UD to schedule.
Its nice that Chris explains that, and I have subscribed to pride plus before; but with all do respect, do you honestly believe I have been a UD fan, been to the NCAA coaches and players awards banquets at the final four, am a season ticket holder, and you seriously think I don't know all minutia and strategy about the so called scheduling model???

You actually believe that?? This isn't about my lack of information; but rather my dismay at this tired old boring bull**** formula. You cannot possibly cling to the money excuse on lost revenue?? can you?? One Division II (packed to the rafters no less) gate revenue minus the incoming revenue check from a one way road game to Kansas or UK, is maybe 100k plus; every two to four years or so. Is that really too much to expect?? The answer is no, it is not!

Besides, I am confident, that with the guarantee of such a game, most Season ticket holders would gladly pay the same price for tickets, and do away with not only the DII game, but half the non-conference schedule as well. I am sure most would rather pay the same price, skip VMI at UD Arena, and head down to Lexington, East Lansing, Columbus, Louisville, or about ten other places, to see the Flyers play a true a national game.

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Does the A10 prohibit A10 teams from being bought? That would prevent the cellar dwellers from tanking every year in exchange for a paycheck.
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In the volleyball forum figgie123 did a great job explaining how the rpi calculation worked. I was shocked that it was almost totally based upon how many games you won, how many games your opponents won and how many games their opponents won. There are bonus points for beating really high rpi teams.

So if you want to understand rpi you can go to the vball forum. Figgie123 might chime in here if I screwed up the explanation. It is interesting that you can get more rpi points for beating a high level team with a great record from a smaller conference than beating a middle range team from a power 5 conference. But, playing against a team with a bad rpi will cause your rpi to drop even if you beat them by 50, margin of victory doesn't matter
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach View Post
I agree, Saint Mary's is a good pick-up. I have no problem with that. And, I never suggested any one team was not acceptable for a schedule. But I wouldn't count Alabama, Northwestern, DePaul, as significant two way contracts. Their okay, but is Northwestern an actual two way contract, or just a one time game in their home town? At-least DePaul is a rival, but they have not been good in at-least 12 years, and really not for about 25 or 30 years.

Aside from the Findlay Oilers exhibition game, UD plays no schools from Ohio, has no out of conference rival, and very little in the way of in-conference rival. Following three NCAA appearances, is there still no chance or willingness to go out an play at-least one major powerhouse program. Could we not have just chucked the DII game for a one-way against a really compelling national program??? Exempt tournaments are good band aide, but only if you draw the right opening game, and only if the other right teams win game one, and you yourself when games in it. Otherwise the exempt games work against you in many regards, and you don't necessarily come out of them with big name opponents.

20 game conference schedule? Are sure about that? Don't you mean 18 game conference schedule?
UD seems to be doing pretty well...

What is really astonishing is that UD hasn't hired you as a consultant to get their problems fixed.

With all the ****ing and moaning when things are going pretty well, you would think there were trolls disguised as season ticket holders on this board.
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Obviously, it has nothing to do with why UD cannot schedule one Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, level of game.
What makes you think they would agree to play us on a date that works for both schools?
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Anyone know the names of the new walkons?
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Notice, I said one of the few times; I did not say there are no opponents of that caliber.

I grant you Saint Joes...cant dispute it.

I grant you VCU based on recent history; 8 of last 10 years, but not much prior to that...only seven times in program history prior to ten years ago.

Vandy only once in last four years, and that was a "first four" defeat (by 20 points). Vandy has a total of ten ncaa tourney wins in history. Not exactly Kentucky. (you might have a small argument with Vandy... but small argument).

But that's all you get; the rest are not even close.

Saint Mary's only 8 NCAA Tourney appearances in history...very low number of appearances, that is including both 1958 and 1959; and zero times in the last three years; so, no "standard" four year senior on their squad has ever been in the NCAA's.

I cannot believe you attempted to imply the great NCAA Tournament StallWorthism of SLU, Bonnies, Richmond, or Rhody. Oh my Lord, you didn't! And yet, you did.

Rhody has not made an NCAA appearance in 18 seasons. Even if they might be better this year, not worth discussing as an example.

SLU, only 9 NCAA appearances in school history...that's very low. That includes 1952 and 1957. Haven't been in three years (only their senior class has seen NCAA tourney; they were horrible last couple of years. 11-21 both of last two seasons....laughable.

Bonnies six times in history, including 1961, 1968, 1970, and 1978. Made two appearances in 40 years; zero wins in ncaa tourney since 1970; one appearance in last 16 seasons,; and zero appearances in past four seasons (so no four year senior on this years team has played in NCAA's). I like the Bonnies, and I always enjoy their games against the Flyers, but this is a pathetic example on your part...not even worthy of discussion.

The might Richmond Spiders might be good at beating Brian Gregory Coached teams in the A10 final, but they have only made a total of nine ncaa tourney appearance in school history...another very low number per your ncaa tourney StallWorthism list...pathetic. Spiders only have two appearances in last 12 years; nothing in the last six seasons, and only one in NIT in thirteen years. Another low end example for which you have provided.

Based on this logic, I am surprised that you didn't include the ncaa powerhouses of Duquesne, George Mason, and mighty LaSalle.

I rest my case upon reality; and you rest yours on fantasy land thinking. Go figure!
You are questioning VCU because they didn't do much before their last 10 years? Really??? That has nothing to do with the current team, their roster today is definitely NCAA quality.

Vandy was a top 15-20 team last year until injuries totally destroyed their season right before they played us. Coach Drew is a winner, and will definitely improve on what Stallings built over the last 15 years.

If you do not think St. Mary's is NCAA quality then I do not think you watch enough college basketball. Since 2005 they have been to the NCAA tournament more than us, so does that mean we are not NCAA quality? They have also been to the NCAA or NIT every year since 2008...we haven't been.

I never said SLU, look again.

RI is another top 25 team this year. They may not have a history of being good, but that doesn't mean this years team isn't NCAA caliber. You can't choose to ignore that. And the A10 media just picked them second right behind us in a strong A10 this year. They are NCAA Caliber.

Weren't the Bonnies Co-A10 Champs last year? They return a lot of talent from that team? Again look at the current team. What they did in the 50's and 60's doesn't affect that the current program.

Richmond in my opinion is a stretch, but they have Klein who is one of the better players in the league. On any night they can beat anyone in the league.

I am noticing a trend here. You could care less what the teams currently look like, only what they did 40 years ago. Look at these teams as they are today, and you will see they are NCAA quality or in the discussion. All of these teams, barring injury, will be in the discussion for an NCAA birth except for probably Richmond. But that does not mean they are not a quality team to come to the arena. But you keep living in the past.
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I assume that there is no A10 prohibition against being bought...Rhode Island, as one example, has done it a few times recently...one time games: at Texas, at Nebraska, at Arizona, at Virginia Tech, etc.
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Anyone know the names of the new walkons?
daytonflyers.com has them up now

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Gazoo, which one of the above listed schools did UD schedule to a one way game, a home and home, or home and away?????????

Unlike you, I don't have to do any checking; because I am like 100% sure!

Not a one! Nor will any of them be doing so (Boise possibly, not likely), in this lifetime. Well maybe in a thousands years, but not my lifetime.
Uh, no, you will not be re-writing history to your liking. You said:

"To the contrary, however, it would be much more realistic, if some of you took honest stock of the situation, and acknowledged that 50 to 90% of UD's success during the last two and half seasons is extensively linked to the current makeup of the Atlantic 10 Conference. When the big three programs left, UD more than coincidencentaly got better. The 2013-14 Flyers had the depth, experience, and talent; but the last teams extensively benniffited from a lesser included A10."

We benefited from beating teams outside our conference, namely, those in the NCAA tournament WHO ARE NOT in our conference. Sorry, you're wrong.
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Its nice that Chris explains that, and I have subscribed to pride plus before; but with all do respect, do you honestly believe I have been a UD fan, been to the NCAA coaches and players awards banquets at the final four, am a season ticket holder, and you seriously think I don't know all minutia and strategy about the so called scheduling model???

You actually believe that?? This isn't about my lack of information; but rather my dismay at this tired old boring bull**** formula. You cannot possibly cling to the money excuse on lost revenue?? can you?? One Division II (packed to the rafters no less) gate revenue minus the incoming revenue check from a one way road game to Kansas or UK, is maybe 100k plus; every two to four years or so. Is that really too much to expect?? The answer is no, it is not!

Besides, I am confident, that with the guarantee of such a game, most Season ticket holders would gladly pay the same price for tickets, and do away with not only the DII game, but half the non-conference schedule as well. I am sure most would rather pay the same price, skip VMI at UD Arena, and head down to Lexington, East Lansing, Columbus, Louisville, or about ten other places, to see the Flyers play a true a national game.
Arguments stem from assumptions. Always.

It appears to me that you want UD to schedule based on the assumption that the fans want the highest caliber schedule. Or, at a minimum, a "higher" caliber schedule.

UD administration is basing their assumptions on the idea that the best thing for the school is to have the highest possible probability of making the NCAA tournament. Success, and $, follow that.

We could add another true road game, there's certainly nothing financially or schedule-wise that makes this truly impossible. Difficult, but not impossible.

The question is WHY?! Just so BTC can turn on the tube and tell his friends "look guys, we're playing Duke! Aren't we special?" That and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee. You know what most fans would rather say? "Look guys, we're in the NCAA tournament, and we won our first game, and the next game we're playing Duke! Aren't we special?"
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But that's all you get; the rest are not even close. . .

. . . Saint Mary's only 8 NCAA Tourney appearances in history...very low number of appearances, that is including both 1958 and 1959; and zero times in the last three years; so, no "standard" four year senior on their squad has ever been in the NCAA's.
Well isn't that special: http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13667
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daytonflyers.com has them up now

6'3" Freshman Adam Goines from Cincinnati
6'3" Freshman Ben Kanieski from Cincinnati
6'5" Junior Jack Parsley from Granville (maybe he can become our new Wehrli lol)
Thanks. I was looking for that. Ben Kanieski is actually from Brecksville. Son of HOFer Mike.
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Yes -- free parking in any lot.
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For the Red and Blue game, is parking at the Arena free?
I like to ride the shuttle. hopefully its running for the Red and Blue game
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Thoughts on the game

2 hours after I get home and still no one has commented on the game. Geeze, you all must have a life afterall.

Quick thoughts on a few of our guys-

Williams- looks stronger, think he will be a pleasant surprise for us this year.

Mikesell- Looked much quicker on defense, seems to be in the right spot at the right time frequently.

D. Davis- 6 assists total, 3 for each team he played for. Shots still not falling. Love to see him get back to his freshman form.

Cunningham- has good hands. Should be a great asset.

Cooke- Hit the floor hard a few times, lets put an end to that ASAP. Nice shooting.

Archie- Put more miles on his Nikes today than anyone on the floor, with his frequent switching of benches.
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I went to the Red/Blue event. I have been to it many years now. I did my usual checking out the individual players, looked for potential recruits behind the bench, etc,.. but, I just couldn't stop thinking about Steve. Go Flyers.
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Red Blue game is sloppy and rough. Today was no exception. Hard to get a feel especially with so many walk ons playing. Air balls, bad passes, missed defensive assignments and switches. The usual....

Game ended in 40-40 tie. Got very exciting during the last minute.

Just about every player had really good moments and shake your head moments. Red/Blue game....

Leading scorers were Charles and Josh I believe.



Observations.
- Cunningham is good, very good. I'm impressed
- Scoochie looks like a senior leader. Can have an exceptional year.
- Four sophomores look better. I wish a whole lot better. Crosby looks more under control. Williams and Mikesell have bigger bodies. Sam looks slimmer.
- Sam still has a temper but a smaller one.
- Trey Landers is a physical specimen, but I am sure he can get stronger.


Interesting matchups in this week's practice and the red/blue game. Miller vs Cunningham and Cooke vs. Scoochie. Cunningham wins most of his battles. He is fast, stronger and jumps better than Sam. Scoochie vs. Cooke is going to make each work on their D much harder. In both practice and red /blue game never saw Sam and Josh or Sccochie and Charles together. Based upon last year's rumors, I worry about their team chemistry. Watch for that. I expect to see Scoochie and Charles on the floor together a lot this year. You have some real offensive weapons with Scoochie, Charles, Josh and Kendall.


Sam showed some flashes, but it is clear he will match up against only certain types of centers. Josh is a true four, but I could see him playing the post a lot. he can really rebound and battle inside.

- Kendall did not suit up but did play in practice this week.

- Kostas has a nice outside shot. Long and tall. Needs weight room work. Did not play. was in street clothes.

Josh will step in nicely. Not sure what kind of year sophomore class has. If they step up, big things can happen. Not sure about chemistry. Will the team be selfless? There is one ball and lot of guys who can score.


Spectator trivia. I saw Matt Kavanaugh at the game. Someone said Pierre was there. I did not see him. I thought he was in Germany.
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Here is an almost three and a half minute video from today. Was a good time to start recording as this is an uninterrupted stretch of gameplay. Charles Cooke is the star of this video as he scores early and often in this clip.

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I went to the Red/Blue event. I have been to it many years now. I did my usual checking out the individual players, looked for potential recruits behind the bench, .
This is one game I think would not be a positive for recruits. Granted, I have never seen one Red/Blue game, but many reports give it a meh. Just don't think it's our best foot forward.
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For fun or serious?

Is the season-starting game(s) for fun..or is it it serious? if it's for fun UConn has a really fun way to do it.
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Was Archie smiling and having fun? Watching poor shooting, bad ball movement, and 19 turnovers? I dunno. The game is for avid fans like UD has to get a peek at the new talent.

Probably accomplished that. My guess is Arch is happy it's over and no one got hurt.
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This is one game I think would not be a positive for recruits. Granted, I have never seen one Red/Blue game, but many reports give it a meh. Just don't think it's our best foot forward.
It's funny you mention this. As I was sitting there watching yesterday, the 5th or 6th time I have made it to the Red/blue game, I was thinking I am glad our much heralded possible recruit chose to not come to town yesterday, and instead wait till November. Crowd not real pumped up, sloppy play, no band or cheerleaders, less than half our normal crowd. This is a good event to wet your Flyer appetite a bit, but far from the normal game day experience.
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First Red Blue game for me. I enjoyed it, but I agree it isn't a great recruiting tool. My thoughts:

Cunningham: Extremely physical, and we'll need it. Looks like a beast. I don't think he dunked, but he was effective on both ends. Maybe he didn't get an opportunity, maybe he didn't want to dunk on a teammate.

Cooke: Looked great on both ends. Leading scorer, but didn't really push it. Very smooth. Harassed Scooch on D a couple times.

Scoochie: In control. Looks bigger/stronger than last year. I always feel like he's just waiting and watching to turn it on offensively, which he did at the end of the game with a coast-to-coast drive to tie the game. 3-pt shooting looked pretty good.

K. Davis: Didn't notice him a ton in the game, but I was watching offense over defense mostly. I did notice in pregame warmups that he was engaged, smiling, having fun and definitely being a leader.

D. Davis: 3-pt shot wasn't there, and was wayy off a couple of times. That's concerning. However I thought DD looked much more athletic and aggressive at times. Made some very nice passes. So other parts of his game do seem improved.

Miller: Everyone sitting around us thought he looked much lighter on his feet. More athletic and decidedly quicker. Did a pretty nice job matching up with Cunningham all game. Cunningham won the matchup, but Sam held in there. Sam should be very dangerous from 3pt this year.

XW: I thought he looked good early then disappeared a little offensively. 3pt shot looked good. Did a good job rebounding.

Mikesell: With Pollard out he played more of a stretch 4 role. Looked improved from a confidence perspective to me. I've been wondering since the Spain trip where he started one of the games at the 4 if that's the plan for him this year. I didn't notice him being attacked or exposed on D.

Crosby: Looked to be in much more control out there. Very effective driving the ball. Hit a 3 and his form looked better to me. I remember last year he had an odd delivery, which I didn't see this year.

Landers: He's a giant guy physically, but still able to move well and is definitely a good athlete. I was kinda wondering if he'd used as more of an undersized post player, but he wasn't.

Westerfield/Gruden: Both looked more confident/comfortable out there than I expected. Westerfield hit a 3 and looked to have a decent handle.

Overall it looked like a return to True Team. Everyone seemed to engaged and happy.
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Overall it looked like a return to True Team. Everyone seemed to engaged and happy.
I thought the montage of pictures that was posted a few days ago showed that same thing.
A lot of comfortable smiling players, with Charles and Scoochie next to each other as well.
Did not catch any vibe that off court issues might have persisted between them. A half year is an eternity in the life of a student. Time heals.
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