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Old 03-26-2019, 06:53 PM
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I just searched 247 sports on McNeil. He has several offers, including my other team. 247 shows him having no interest in UD. Do we have a realistic shot at him?
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Old 03-26-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OregonMike View Post
I just searched 247 sports on McNeil. He has several offers, including my other team. 247 shows him having no interest in UD. Do we have a realistic shot at him?
I believe he just came out and said Dayton was in his top 6.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OregonMike View Post
I just searched 247 sports on McNeil. He has several offers, including my other team. 247 shows him having no interest in UD. Do we have a realistic shot at him?
Thank goodness 247 doesn't call the shots. They no not of which they speak. In other words they are full of c**p.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:39 PM
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Getting an official this soon after opening up a scholly is huge. Makes me think the wheels have been turning on JD and McNeil news for awhile.
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Taking an official visit to UD when you are a cab ride away seems to indicate something to me.
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McNeill is on campus Today and wed for a official visit .No interest I guess LOL.
I like the sound of this!!!
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Two other 3 point sharpshooters in college both played from 2007-2011 for two different teams. Jon Diebler for Ohio State and Jimmer Fredette for BYU. Sean McNeil could be better than both of them! Diebler a 6'6" SG shot 29% on 3's as a freshman, 42% as a soph. and jr. and 50% as a senior. Fredette a 6'2" SG shot 34% on 3's as a freshman, 38% as a soph, 44% as a jr. and 40% as a senior.

The thought of seeing Sean McNeil in a Flyer uniform is something we will have to wait and see but every time I watch his you tube videos I have never seen such a pure shooter! Many of his shots are 5-7 feet behind the three point line and you can almost tell when he releases the ball that it is going in!

Donald Smith was the last pure shooter for the Flyers that I can remember. There was no defense for his step back fade away jump shot from any distance.
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Two other 3 point sharpshooters in college both played from 2007-2011 for two different teams. Jon Diebler for Ohio State and Jimmer Fredette for BYU. Sean McNeil could be better than both of them! Diebler a 6'6" SG shot 29% on 3's as a freshman, 42% as a soph. and jr. and 50% as a senior. Fredette a 6'2" SG shot 34% on 3's as a freshman, 38% as a soph, 44% as a jr. and 40% as a senior.

The thought of seeing Sean McNeil in a Flyer uniform is something we will have to wait and see but every time I watch his you tube videos I have never seen such a pure shooter! Many of his shots are 5-7 feet behind the three point line and you can almost tell when he releases the ball that it is going in!

Donald Smith was the last pure shooter for the Flyers that I can remember. There was no defense for his step back fade away jump shot from any distance.
I'd cool the Jets a bit on any talk of being better than them mainly Ferdette. I'd love to see him just be able to blend in nicely with the team and be that consistent knock down shooter they've not had in several years.
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Maybe I missed it, I know he's been great at sinclair, but what did he do before that? Why was he already not at a D1 school?
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The Jimmer was a whole lot more than a sharp shooter in college.
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Maybe I missed it, I know he's been great at sinclair, but what did he do before that? Why was he already not at a D1 school?
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Two other 3 point sharpshooters in college both played from 2007-2011 for two different teams. Jon Diebler for Ohio State and Jimmer Fredette for BYU. Sean McNeil could be better than both of them! Diebler a 6'6" SG shot 29% on 3's as a freshman, 42% as a soph. and jr. and 50% as a senior. Fredette a 6'2" SG shot 34% on 3's as a freshman, 38% as a soph, 44% as a jr. and 40% as a senior.

The thought of seeing Sean McNeil in a Flyer uniform is something we will have to wait and see but every time I watch his you tube videos I have never seen such a pure shooter! Many of his shots are 5-7 feet behind the three point line and you can almost tell when he releases the ball that it is going in!

Donald Smith was the last pure shooter for the Flyers that I can remember. There was no defense for his step back fade away jump shot from any distance.
Jimmer would have averaged 50 at a JUCO.
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He seems to fit one role we need which is sniper. Can he keep guys in front of him or would UD have to plug holes in other ways?
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Jimmer would have averaged 50 at a JUCO.
Agreed, but all we need is someone who can hit wide-open uncontested threes at a 38-40% clip and play decent D. We had essentially no one this year who could consistently hit open outside shots.
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I just searched 247 sports on McNeil. He has several offers, including my other team. 247 shows him having no interest in UD. Do we have a realistic shot at him?
247 also lists Darrell Davis as on our roster.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:39 AM
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Hopefully the addition of Jordy, and the maturation of Obi means that UD will have a couple of rim defenders next year (and beyond). Obi showed signs of that late in the season however that was never Josh's strong suite; hence once the opponent was beyond the guards there wasn't much of a challenge. I'm hoping this allows UD's guards to play more aggressive on the perimeter knowing that there is strong resistance at the rim.


Not necessarily related to McNeil, I have no clue on his ability to defend; I just know we need to be able to cheer for someone nick named "hot boy"
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I read in the articles that McNeil is already 20 years of age. So, he is not a young teenager. I remember when Dayton was recruiting the Carter kid (related by marriage to Beyoncé) that he was very young in age. This extra age is an advantage to provide physical maturity.
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I read in the articles that McNeil is already 20 years of age. So, he is not a young teenager. I remember when Dayton was recruiting the Carter kid (related by marriage to Beyoncé) that he was very young in age. This extra age is an advantage to provide physical maturity.
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Yep, just look at Obi.

Don't tell me we are going to take another risk on a kid who had no D1 offers out of HS. How did that last one turn out?
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Agreed, but all we need is someone who can hit wide-open uncontested threes at a 38-40% clip and play decent D. We had essentially no one this year who could consistently hit open outside shots.
While I'm not on the better-than-Jimmer hype train (sorry Cville Flyer), I am hoping for better than 38-40%. But I hear you ... and agree.

DANGIT. I'm talking as if we've already landed this kid. Aargh.

I don't like that Oregon and TT are in the Sweet 16.

My gut tells me it's all about the girlfriend.

If he can't stand the thought of being away from her (she's at UK), you'd think UD or maybe WV look like the best options.

If he picks Oregon or Texas Tech, I think she might have some heartbreak headed her way.
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247 also lists Darrell Davis as on our roster.
Well, there’s nothing like timely reporting (and THAT is “nothing like” timely reporting).
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I read in the articles that McNeil is already 20 years of age. So, he is not a young teenager. I remember when Dayton was recruiting the Carter kid (related by marriage to Beyoncé) that he was very young in age. This extra age is an advantage to provide physical maturity.
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I like how you just skipped over the blood relation to Jay Z (richest musician in the US with a net worth of $900M) to a relation to Beyonce through marriage.

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Well to be fair, what red-blooded American male doesn't fail to notice Jay-Z when Beyonce walks into the room?
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If you look at the current transfer portal, it's not the end of the world if we don't get McNeil
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I think West Virginia is the one to watch here. Their guards were a disaster last year
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I hope Oregon loses in the ACC Tourney, or they will have an immediate marketing edge.
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I hope Oregon loses in the ACC Tourney, or they will have an immediate marketing edge.
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I think it's down to UD, WVA and Ole Miss.
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Can anyone confirm that McNeil took an official visit to UD this week? Hot Boy's twitter has been silent the last 8 days.
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Lamonte West transferring from WVU. Wonder how/if this factors into McNeil? WVU already had plenty of scholarships available.
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Can anyone confirm that McNeil took an official visit to UD this week? Hot Boy's twitter has been silent the last 8 days.
That's the rumor on Twitter, no idea if it's legit or not

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Lamonte West transferring from WVU. Wonder how/if this factors into McNeil? WVU already had plenty of scholarships available.
West Virginia's guard play was really bad this past season. They had two guards transfer out including their most productive G in James Bolden. They had a freshman get some major minutes in Jordan McCabe.

They're bringing in a freshman guard from Moeller but that's the only G signed right now

Whoever WV targets in the spring has a great chance to get a starting spot and major minutes
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:37 PM
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Ole Miss having an "in-home visit" w/ Hot boy, per Sinclair's coach Jeff price
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I can't speak the accuracy of this podcast but according to this Ole Miss Rivals podcast, it's down to West Virginia & Ole Miss per the Ole Miss Rivals guy. He asks Corey Evans a national recruiting analyst about him and he says watch out for Huggins with his ties to Greater Cincinnati but doesn't offer a prediction on where he goes

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I'm not sure what the connections of Huggins to Cincinnati has to do with anything? I thought McNeil was from Kentucky anyhow? Personality would have to figure into things - as some players probably wouldn't want to play for Huggins for just that reason. AG couldn't be more opposite of him. Without knowing anything about McNeil, transferring to Dayton re: potential playing time, potential team strength, facilities, fan support, environment, coaches connections to next level, as was mentioned (girlfriend?), proximity to home/family, etc... those all have to weigh pretty strongly in favor of UD. Ole Miss - bigger conference, yes - middle of the pack. WV - last in their conference this year and a rugged travel schedule during conference play. It'll be very interesting to see where he lands, no doubt. I don't think these guys in the podcast have any more of a clue than any of us :-)
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McNeil is from Boone County which is essentially suburban Cincinnati
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. I don't think these guys in the podcast have any more of a clue than any of us :-)
People definitely over value what is said in some podcasts. I know I work for the biggest podcast hosting company and have been podcasting since 2004.

I would not give that podcast any more cred then you would a tweet by one of their fans. Or a post in this forum for that matter.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:56 PM
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I'd like to see him in a UD uniform, I think the upside UD has spells a quicker route to the NCAA but whatever school he picks is good for Sinclair and sounds like he's definitely put himself in this position with lots of hard work; after losing a very good player in JD, it would sure take the sting out of his departure a bit. Whatever happens, happens.
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Anybody watch the Cline kid from Purdue go off in the second half? If McNeil can do anything close to that rollo should open the vault.
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Feel very confident he'll be a Flyer. No other visits scheduled as of now and I can't see him committing to a school without ever being on campus. Look for the commitment soon.
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Anybody watch the Cline kid from Purdue go off in the second half? If McNeil can do anything close to that rollo should open the vault.
I know Carson Edwards had a big game, but Cline won that game for PU. He kept taking ridiculous shots deeper and deeper and most weren't even splashing the net. Seemed like 5 in a row. I kept telling my wife "They should intentionally foul him before he shoots just to limit the damage to 2 points"...
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I know Carson Edwards had a big game, but Cline won that game for PU. He kept taking ridiculous shots deeper and deeper and most weren't even splashing the net. Seemed like 5 in a row. I kept telling my wife "They should intentionally foul him before he shoots just to limit the damage to 2 points"...
Wow, it was like he channeled Rick Mount into his 6'6" body. I swear he had his eyes closed on a couple of those. Interesting story. Cline, as a soph, was found unconscious in his car with the car running. He had a marijuana/drug overdose. Purdue suspended him for three games?? Now he comes back to thank their light sentence.
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I was hoping to see the "welcome to the Family" thread by now.....
I have it locked and loaded... we gotta be a little patient lol
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I have it locked and loaded... we gotta be a little patient lol
Oh my!

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Looked him up a little while ago and this was labeled "top story". If this is accurate, he plans to take more visits.
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He had a marijuana/drug overdose.
The old "I've smoked too much." A reckoning of sorts. Definitely not wise to be on that journey behind the wheel of a car.
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Oh my!

This coming from lhsgolf19 has me hopeful. Downright giddy.
No lol I don't know anything... I'm just saying every one hold your horses and take a deep breath, it might be a little bit we don't know... If he commits, he commits
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I like our chances. A young man who dropped out of Bellarmine Univ after a week, a school in Louisville, 50 some miles from his home, then goes to JUCO 60 miles from home, is now prepared to go half way/all the way across the country to Oregon and Tx Tech? Ole Miss is not exactly a national hoop power. If not WVa I say we get him.
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Looked him up a little while ago and this was labeled "top story". If this is accurate, he plans to take more visits.
https://www.nkytribune.com/2019/03/f...college-teams/
If he's taking more visits, we're probably toast. That's never a good sign after publicly announcing he'd narrowed it to 6 schools (unless those visits are to the 6 he's narrowed it to, then that's different).

Plus, I don't think CAG is going to wait around too long to fill this need/spot.

Just my $.02. I didn't read the article/link.
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No lol I don't know anything... I'm just saying every one hold your horses and take a deep breath, it might be a little bit we don't know... If he commits, he commits
Boo hiss.

Ok, expectations tempered again.
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Boo hiss.

Ok, expectations tempered again.
The life of a mid-major....
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If he's taking more visits, we're probably toast. That's never a good sign after publicly announcing he'd narrowed it to 6 schools (unless those visits are to the 6 he's narrowed it to, then that's different).

Plus, I don't think CAG is going to wait around too long to fill this need/spot.

Just my $.02. I didn't read the article/link.
Said he plans on visiting the five other schools. Mentioned already visiting Dayton via a text message to the NK writer. Doesn't know when he expects to make a decision. On to the next one's boys, I'm sure AG has multiple targets on his list.
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Do you guys actually think he's not going to take other visits? use your heads here guys. He has narrowed his list down to a handful of schools and he's going to visit some of them. He probably likes UD alot but he would be an absolute fool not to take other visits and go thru the process and be sure. Plus, nice to be able to wine and dine it on someone else's tab on places he would never visit any other time.

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Texas Tech has certainly enhanced their resume in the last two weeks.
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If I'm Hot Boy I'm visiting every school that's in my Top 6. Just like a normal student goes to visit universities. He should visit them then decide which school/situation feels best for him. Sorry if this is too reasonable for some.

From everything I've read on McNeil it doesn't seem like he's all that interested in school so he may end up at WVU, TT or Ole Miss. Larger schools, better conferences, more pro scouts.
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No interest in Dayton? Check back Thursday and see where he says he is going
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I predict he takes no visits

Thursday has passed.
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He seems like a pretty quiet kid that would like to stay close to home. Made a mistake once (his interpretation), close to his family, close to his former coach, has a GF. How close is anyone's bet but I'd say both UD and WVU would be his top choices.

He has everything needed at UD (except top level conference) to excel and pretty much the same with WVU that is in a top conference.
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Isn't he only allowed like three official visits?

If he goes to Ole Miss in the spring, he may never come back. He better take his girlfriend with him on that visit.
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Isn't he only allowed like three official visits?

If he goes to Ole Miss in the spring, he may never come back. He better take his girlfriend with him on that visit.




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He seems like a pretty quiet kid that would like to stay close to home. Made a mistake once (his interpretation), close to his family, close to his former coach, has a GF. How close is anyone's bet but I'd say both UD and WVU would be his top choices.

He has everything needed at UD (except top level conference) to excel and pretty much the same with WVU that is in a top conference.
If he is as good as everyone thinks, he has everything he needs at UD. With the squad we should be putting on the floor next year, there will be plenty of national attention and plenty of scouts hanging around.
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If he is as good as everyone thinks, he has everything he needs at UD. With the squad we should be putting on the floor next year, there will be plenty of national attention and plenty of scouts hanging around.

I am as big of a UD fan is anybody and I think that we are going to be very good next year regardless of if he comes. However, other than Western Kentucky he would get much more exposure at the other four schools by far as compared to UD. More ESPN coverage more games on other networks, etc.

Hopefully we have a shot because he went to several UD games and the atmosphere and experience at UD arena has grown on him. The fact that his girlfriend is at UK and geographically UD is closer to Lexington than any of the other schools could be a factor .

If I were a betting man I would say he's headed to Texas Tech.

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Isn't he only allowed like three official visits?

If he goes to Ole Miss in the spring, he may never come back. He better take his girlfriend with him on that visit.
He is allowed five official visits
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I did not realize his girlfriend goes to UK. I hate to throw another one out there, but what if KY now offers him a scholly. Gone.
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Thursday has passed.
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I have no idea what McNeil is thinking , but I think the whole idea of exposure is a thing of the past...there is so much media outside conventional networks that pro scouts will know who he is. How much exposure does a kid have at community college in Dayton on ESPN or other media outlets?? yet the whole country has heard of him. His pro stock does not Change in the least if he plays at Kentucky or at prairie view, as long as he scores consistently in D1
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The question or concern may also be does he want to go play at LaSalle and at Fordham and at Richmond and St Bonnie. Maybe the kid wants to play against the best competition out there too or play against multiple top 20 teams and be on national TV a lot.

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The question or concern may also be does he want to go play at LaSalle and at Fordham and at Richmond and St Bonnie. Maybe the kid wants to play against the best competition out there too or play against multiple top 20 teams and be on national TV a lot.
He currently plays at Sinclair and yet the world has beaten a path to his door.
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I have no idea what McNeil is thinking , but I think the whole idea of exposure is a thing of the past...there is so much media outside conventional networks that pro scouts will know who he is. How much exposure does a kid have at community college in Dayton on ESPN or other media outlets?? yet the whole country has heard of him. His pro stock does not Change in the least if he plays at Kentucky or at prairie view, as long as he scores consistently in D1
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Reality is that McNeil is an undersized white guard. Let's say he commits to UD and averages 19ppg and shoots 39% from 3 and earns first team A10. Then follows that up with 21ppg the next year.

If he put up those same numbers at let's say Ole Miss (SEC) or TTU or WVU (Big 12) they absolutely mean more. Those conferences have more athletes, more cameras, more exposure. No debate.

You're right if he averages 27ppg and shoots 41% from 3 at 6'4 but that's Steph Curry territory. That's rarified air. Steph was drafted 7th in 2009. One spot behind Johnny Flynn from Syracuse. If Steph was wearing a Cuse jersey instead of Davidson during college he's probably going top 2 in that draft behind Blake Griffin.
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Reality is that McNeil is an undersized white guard. Let's say he commits to UD and averages 19ppg and shoots 39% from 3 and earns first team A10. Then follows that up with 21ppg the next year.

If he put up those same numbers at let's say Ole Miss (SEC) or TTU or WVU (Big 12) they absolutely mean more. Those conferences have more athletes, more cameras, more exposure. No debate.

You're right if he averages 27ppg and shoots 41% from 3 at 6'4 but that's Steph Curry territory. That's rarified air. Steph was drafted 7th in 2009. One spot behind Johnny Flynn from Syracuse. If Steph was wearing a Cuse jersey instead of Davidson during college he's probably going top 2 in that draft behind Blake Griffin.

Not to quibble but I don't think 6'4 is under sized for a shooting guard in college.

The Final Four starting SG's are 6'3(Brown), 6'2(Guy), 6'5(Mcquaid), and Texas Tech's 3 guard lineup has two SG's, 6'2(Moretti) and 6'6 (Culver).
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Steph was drafted 7th in 2009. One spot behind Johnny Flynn from Syracuse. If Steph was wearing a Cuse jersey instead of Davidson during college he's probably going top 2 in that draft behind Blake Griffin.
I dont think going to Davidson has held back Steph Curry's pro career. I dont think going to Syracuse put a tailwind in the back of Jonny Flynn to salvage his pro career. I dont see where being an Orange helped him at all. Steph has already made more money than Jonn Boy will ever see or touch.

Steph was a household name due to the NCAA tourney. He wasnt lacking for much of anything. Ja Morant plays college basketball in Murray, KY, and will go in the top three in the draft. I dont think playing for the Racers has held him back either -- and thats under the immediate nearby shadow of the Big Blue. With TV contracts now almost every game is on TV. If you're any good, youll be found. Pick a school that wants you and needs you and checks your boxes.
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Reality is that McNeil is an undersized white guard. Let's say he commits to UD and averages 19ppg and shoots 39% from 3 and earns first team A10. Then follows that up with 21ppg the next year.

If he put up those same numbers at let's say Ole Miss (SEC) or TTU or WVU (Big 12) they absolutely mean more. Those conferences have more athletes, more cameras, more exposure. No debate.

You're right if he averages 27ppg and shoots 41% from 3 at 6'4 but that's Steph Curry territory. That's rarified air. Steph was drafted 7th in 2009. One spot behind Johnny Flynn from Syracuse. If Steph was wearing a Cuse jersey instead of Davidson during college he's probably going top 2 in that draft behind Blake Griffin.
Doesn't mean nearly as much as you think. The 2 guard doing the same thing in the SEC/ACC is going against elite athletes just like the kid in the A10 is going against. There is so much good to great guard play in every conference. The difference in the conferences is the BIGS.Look at all the transfers in the A10 from power 5 conferences.

Now, maybe a scouting report on an elite guard with good size from a power 5 conference may say he gets to the rack at will and can take it to the 6'9 players easily and, yes, that kid probably will get more exposure for the NBA but if you have the size, the athletic ability, can shoot and score and you can play the game then they find you wherever you are and you will be known. Don't care if you're a white kid in the ACC or the A10...

And no 6'2/6'3" G that was as thin, weak and not a leaper at all like Steph was going to be picked #2 in any draft. Now, you want to talk Ja Morant who can run like a deer and jump thru the roof then that's different.

You're going to get to showcase yourself in the AS games and the pre-draft events, too..

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Not to quibble but I don't think 6'4 is under sized for a shooting guard in college.

The Final Four starting SG's are 6'3(Brown), 6'2(Guy), 6'5(Mcquaid), and Texas Tech's 3 guard lineup has two SG's, 6'2(Moretti) and 6'6 (Culver).
But he got the white part right.
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But he got the white part right.
I mean, it's totally irrelevant, but yeah he nailed that part.
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So you are saying, he really is not very good. If he never would see the floor at UK, then I doubt we want him, because we want guys who compete at that level. Is that what you are saying, and have you seen him play?
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I mean, it's totally irrelevant, but yeah he nailed that part.

I didn't mean intend to start such a debate. I think some of you may have interpreted and or focused on some aspects of my post more than I intentioned. My post was in regards to exposure and professional (NBA) prospects. I wanted to simply make the point that if a potential first-team player in A10 posted the exact same statistical line for a P5 program that player in the P5 conference would get more exposure.

Nowadays, scouts evaluate every player at every level. Evaluation and exposure (name recognition) are different. Larger conferences get more exposure across national media outlets. From an NBA perspective, McNeil is undersized for a SG. Regardless of where the kid ends up (hopefully it's here), he will need to produce and showcase some elite skills to get a shot professionally.

Let's just hope we can get him to don a Flyer uniform and worry about contributions later
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Cart before the horse. Too early to talk about McNeil and pro ball before he plays a minute of D1 ball. I think the debate is will he get more exposure at a football school than UD. That is silly. The pro scouts will find you wherever you play, and stats is only one of their measuring sticks.
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