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Yes...2nd team AA with Kelly Tripuka if I remember right.
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Perhaps they didn't see Bill Paxton on the list of All Americans
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Perhaps they didn't see Bill Paxton on the list of All Americans
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according to this:
https://www.basketball-reference.com...l_america.html
He was not an AP all-american. Don't know if that is accurate or not.
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Further review shows Paxson was a 1979 BBWAA 2nd team AA. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it!
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The consensus 1979 College Basketball All-American team, as determined by aggregating the results of four major All-American teams.[1] To earn "consensus" status, a player must win honors from a majority of the following teams: the Associated Press, the USBWA, The United Press International and the National Association of Basketball Coaches.
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Consensus First Team
Player Position Class Team
Larry Bird F Senior Indiana State
Mike Gminski C Junior Duke
David Greenwood F Senior UCLA
Magic Johnson G Sophomore Michigan State
Sidney Moncrief G Senior Arkansas
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Bill Cartwright C Senior San Francisco
Calvin Natt C Senior Northeast Louisiana
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Jim Paxson G/F Senior Dayton
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What a great article. Obi's dad was a playground star at Rucker park in Harlem, can still do a 360 dunk in street clothes (age 40). His nickname is "Dunker's Delight." I have to also mention that Obi's dad and twin brother were charged with murder in Florida in 2011. The brother was aquitted and Obi Sr. pled guilty to "accessory after the fact" whatever that means. So not all roses in the article. But you will love Obi even more (if thats possible) after reading it.
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Yep, and of course favors the blue bloods. And it would hurt us. The great equalizer we have now, the experience of having quality juniors and seniors vs one and done freshmen would vanish. The Kentuckys, Dukes and NCs of the basketball world would be plucking them from us to supplement their one and dones with our experienced talent. Obviously we could do the same to lesser programs, but seasons like this year will vanish also as it would be much more unlikely for us to peak with the right talent to compete with those guys when they are using us as a farm system.
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Is there any way we would benefit from this? I doubt it. The grad transfer rule by and large seems to have only helped the p5. This just seems like an extension of the grad transfer rule. This seems like it would be massively damaging to the little guy.
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
Yep, and of course favors the blue bloods. And it would hurt us. The great equalizer we have now, the experience of having quality juniors and seniors vs one and done freshmen would vanish. The Kentuckys, Dukes and NCs of the basketball world would be plucking them from us to supplement their one and dones with our experienced talent. Obviously we could do the same to lesser programs, but seasons like this year will vanish also as it would be much more unlikely for us to peak with the right talent to compete with those guys when they are using us as a farm system.
I will never understand how the Haves of the college basketball world do not realize that the fact the little guy can periodically rise up and compete with them is what makes this game a truly national treasure.
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Is there any way we would benefit from this? I doubt it. The grad transfer rule by and large seems to have only helped the p5. This just seems like an extension of the grad transfer rule. This seems like it would be massively damaging to the little guy.
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Guys, this rule would work both ways. Players that go to these schools for a year and transfer out. Sibert or Ibi could come and not have to sit out a year. We would also benefit from players transferring up. Guys who only have an offer from Drexel and kill it for a year and transfer up to us.
Also, I do not think this rule affects UD as much as other A10 schools. We already provide most of what the P5 schools can. We play on a national level, we have proved we can be a top 5 team. The schools this is going to hurt is UMass, GW, LaSalle, Duquesne, and the Bonnies. The traditional bottom to mid-pack teams that get a good player and make a run with them. Players like Tre Mitchell.
Will UD lose a player to this? Yeah, its possible. But I do not think this hurts us as much as it could help us.
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Agree it would probably help the P5s, but it's not like we haven't benefited from transfers for quite a long time. The P5s could grab some top performing mid major players, but I imagine we'll continue to grab P5 players that aren't getting the PT they want/expect.
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FWIW, Trey Landers has 902 points, so at current averages he'll need 10 games to reach 1000.
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FWIW, Trey Landers has 902 points, so at current averages he'll need 10 games to reach 1000.
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I recall the VCU broadcasters saying he was approaching 900...sure would be nice if it happens. If anyone deserves this milestone, after the freshman year he had, it's Trey.
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FWIW, Trey Landers has 902 points, so at current averages he'll need 10 games to reach 1000.
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He should actually be at 900 points, there is a contradiction on Trey's bio page. I've emailed the SID for more clarity. If you look at his game-by-game, he has 281 this year, but his career says he has 283 this year. Figstats has him at 281, and 900 for the career.
As for 10 games ... that would be NCAA Sat/Sun game, if we make it to A10 Championship game, or further in NCAA if we don't.
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He should actually be at 900 points, there is a contradiction on Trey's bio page. I've emailed the SID for more clarity. If you look at his game-by-game, he has 281 this year, but his career says he has 283 this year. Figstats has him at 281, and 900 for the career.
As for 10 games ... that would be NCAA Sat/Sun game, if we make it to A10 Championship game, or further in NCAA if we don't.
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Guys, this rule would work both ways. Players that go to these schools for a year and transfer out. Sibert or Ibi could come and not have to sit out a year. We would also benefit from players transferring up. Guys who only have an offer from Drexel and kill it for a year and transfer up to us.
Also, I do not think this rule affects UD as much as other A10 schools. We already provide most of what the P5 schools can. We play on a national level, we have proved we can be a top 5 team. The schools this is going to hurt is UMass, GW, LaSalle, Duquesne, and the Bonnies. The traditional bottom to mid-pack teams that get a good player and make a run with them. Players like Tre Mitchell.
Will UD lose a player to this? Yeah, its possible. But I do not think this hurts us as much as it could help us.
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I agree. We benefit much more from either move ups or move down into the program. Meachum is the only move up, out of the program, that I can recall.
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He should actually be at 900 points, there is a contradiction on Trey's bio page. I've emailed the SID for more clarity. If you look at his game-by-game, he has 281 this year, but his career says he has 283 this year. Figstats has him at 281, and 900 for the career.
As for 10 games ... that would be NCAA Sat/Sun game, if we make it to A10 Championship game, or further in NCAA if we don't.
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So, you're adding up Trey's points instead of calculating "Predict the Score" results?
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I agree. We benefit much more from either move ups or move down into the program. Meachum is the only move up, out of the program, that I can recall.
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I have been given the noble title of, "Director of Correcting the King at all Costs". And, yes, 900 is correct. It was the North Florida game with the "dunk count" controversy, and the "steal/assist" controversy with Chatman and Landers.
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He transferred to West Virginia.
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Sort of, transferred "up" to Penn St, then 1 month later, his coach transferred "up"(?) to Navy (where he remains), from there Staten re-transferred to West Virginia.
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/archiv...8a60fa587.html
I assumed you would remember that part of his journey, Marshall HS to Oak Hill to UD to PSU to WVU, all w/n 4 years.
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Sort of, transferred "up" to Penn St, then 1 month later, his coach transferred "up"(?) to Navy (where he remains), from there Staten re-transferred to West Virginia.
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/archiv...8a60fa587.html
I assumed you would remember that part of his journey, Marshall HS to Oak Hill to UD to PSU to WVU, all w/n 4 years.
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Guys, this rule would work both ways. Players that go to these schools for a year and transfer out. Sibert or Ibi could come and not have to sit out a year. We would also benefit from players transferring up. Guys who only have an offer from Drexel and kill it for a year and transfer up to us.
Also, I do not think this rule affects UD as much as other A10 schools. We already provide most of what the P5 schools can. We play on a national level, we have proved we can be a top 5 team. The schools this is going to hurt is UMass, GW, LaSalle, Duquesne, and the Bonnies. The traditional bottom to mid-pack teams that get a good player and make a run with them. Players like Tre Mitchell.
Will UD lose a player to this? Yeah, its possible. But I do not think this hurts us as much as it could help us.
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If our goal is to close the gap between us and the blue bloods it hurts us. If our goal to widen the gap between us and most of the Mid-majors it helps us.
For one, over time, it would make sense that players that transfer out of the major programs would not be as talented as players that transfer into them. Also, one of the reasons transfers have helped us so much is we get them in years 4 and 5 while they get year 3 to learn our system on the practice floor. Instead we will be getting the discontents because they aren't getting playing time and not getting the benefit of them learning without using up eligibility.
One of the reasons we've been able to keep players to their senior season is because they don't want to sit out a year. This opens the door for more players to use UD as a stepping stone up while we replace them with the players stepping down.
Where would be this season if Trey and Ryan had decided they wanted to transfer or in 2014 if DMO decided the same. When we had a change of coaches, the main reason we had players stay and try to live with new coach was due to the mandatory year off. Who's to say we wouldn't have lost CJ, DMO, Mikesell, Trey and others if they wouldn't have had to sit those seasons?
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Overall, transfers have made our program better not worse. This rule will likely expand the transfer market, which I think will benefit us in the long run. Grant is a player's coach, and I don't see him chasing players out of the program unless there's a good reason for it, in which case the program will be better for it.
I don't remember a season of late where a transfer (or more) was a major contributor. I think this is going to be the norm going forward regardless if the rule changes or not, but if it did there's just going to be that many more transfers who could end up playing at UD.
One area where this change could have an impact is recruiting. Coaches could start recruiting elite players that they know won't come to their school as a first choice, but might chose to transfer there down the road.
The rule which I think will have the greatest impact is player compensation. Depending on how this is structured and regulated, it could tip the balance in a major way toward big schools with a long list of sleazy boosters willing to write the checks.
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Fair argument, but I'd counter that I'd much rather play for Gonzaga than play for Washington State.
On transfers..I think in the end, no matter the mechanisms in place, good players are going to want to play for good programs and coaches. Its up to UD to make that work for them.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer
Overall, transfers have made our program better not worse. This rule will likely expand the transfer market, which I think will benefit us in the long run. Grant is a player's coach, and I don't see him chasing players out of the program unless there's a good reason for it, in which case the program will be better for it.
I don't remember a season of late where a transfer (or more) was a major contributor. I think this is going to be the norm going forward regardless if the rule changes or not, but if it did there's just going to be that many more transfers who could end up playing at UD.
One area where this change could have an impact is recruiting. Coaches could start recruiting elite players that they know won't come to their school as a first choice, but might chose to transfer there down the road.
The rule which I think will have the greatest impact is player compensation. Depending on how this is structured and regulated, it could tip the balance in a major way toward big schools with a long list of sleazy boosters willing to write the checks.
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You make some really good points but I doubt very much schools are going to recruit and spend time recruiting high-level recruits they don't have a prayer with, just hoping that player remembers them down the road..Recruiting is tough enough and you better put that energy into the guys you really can get...Remember, in recruiting it's never the guys you don't get that can hurt you but the guys you do get that you might not really be sure of...
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
If our goal is to close the gap between us and the blue bloods it hurts us. If our goal to widen the gap between us and most of the Mid-majors it helps us.
For one, over time, it would make sense that players that transfer out of the major programs would not be as talented as players that transfer into them. Also, one of the reasons transfers have helped us so much is we get them in years 4 and 5 while they get year 3 to learn our system on the practice floor. Instead we will be getting the discontents because they aren't getting playing time and not getting the benefit of them learning without using up eligibility.
One of the reasons we've been able to keep players to their senior season is because they don't want to sit out a year. This opens the door for more players to use UD as a stepping stone up while we replace them with the players stepping down.
Where would be this season if Trey and Ryan had decided they wanted to transfer or in 2014 if DMO decided the same. When we had a change of coaches, the main reason we had players stay and try to live with new coach was due to the mandatory year off. Who's to say we wouldn't have lost CJ, DMO, Mikesell, Trey and others if they wouldn't have had to sit those seasons?
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You can play the what if game on the guys who could have transferred out in the past all day. Fact of the matter is, I do not think any of the players you mentioned stayed because they didn't want to sit out if they transferred somewhere else. Trey and DMO are the only ones that did not get significant playing time right away, and they are the ones on the list I would have been least worried about transferring as they have both been team guys from day 1.
As a whole, transfers have been a net positive for us, and I do not see that changing. We recruit high character players, and even more so under Coach Grant.
As far as the gap widening because we would be getting lesser players than the ones transferring in to the P5 schools. I do not think that is always the case either. Sometimes those high 4 and 5 star guys are not ready to play day one. Coach will bring in a guy who may be less talented but ready to play now. Every situation is different, but you can't assume they will always be taking our best player and giving us scraps. With this system it will work both ways.
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You can play the what if game on the guys who could have transferred out in the past all day. Fact of the matter is, I do not think any of the players you mentioned stayed because they didn't want to sit out if they transferred somewhere else. Trey and DMO are the only ones that did not get significant playing time right away, and they are the ones on the list I would have been least worried about transferring as they have both been team guys from day 1.
As a whole, transfers have been a net positive for us, and I do not see that changing. We recruit high character players, and even more so under Coach Grant.
As far as the gap widening because we would be getting lesser players than the ones transferring in to the P5 schools. I do not think that is always the case either. Sometimes those high 4 and 5 star guys are not ready to play day one. Coach will bring in a guy who may be less talented but ready to play now. Every situation is different, but you can't assume they will always be taking our best player and giving us scraps. With this system it will work both ways.
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Well, we can't say anything for sure by speculating. But let me put it this way. The P5s have to be a lot more careful with transfers having to sit out a year than they do with transfers that can play immediately. It's easier to see your situation next season and the season after than it is the season after and the season after that. They don't need to sign a Jordan Sibert and then find out they have no scholarships left 2 years down the road to sign a 4 or 5 star guard because of it. A Jordan Sibert becomes a lot more valuable to them when the need is immediate. My point being that there would've been a lot more competition from the bigger programs for Sibert if he were allowed to play immediately.
Dayton on the other hand can look at a Jordan Sibert and easily realize that he's a top get for them compared to what they might be able to recruit and they're not risking losing a better get down the road.
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https://watchstadium.com/could-a-one...ll-02-20-2020/
"Dayton’s Anthony Grant had better be ready. Same for San Diego State’s Brian Dutcher, even Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard, and basically every non-blue blood coach with high-major players".
"Mooney isn’t alone among A-10 coaches that will have to ward off the big boys. Grant had better watch out because they will be coming after junior point guard Jalen Crutcher."
I mean, who would you rather have? A freshman point guard or a proven floor leader who makes big shots on a team that has already won 24 games this season. I’ll take Crutcher over North Carolina’s Cole Anthony, regarded by most as the top freshman point guard in the nation, any day.
It’s a no-brainer.
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This rule proposal is really bad for college basketball. I do not understand who will vote this in besides about 60 schools. There will be about 300 opposing it. Who gets the vote?
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Lifelong Flyer Fan: This is an excellent point. In effect, this would become the equivalent of "annual free agency" in college basketball. It would allow the Kentucky/Duke types to siphon off players from virtually everyone else to fill the void of their "one and dones." Even the lower level Power 5 teams would suffer greatly.
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Well one and dones will be going away soon, or at least severely minimized, whenever the next CBA is up in the Association. Kids will once again be able to make the jump straight from HS to the NBA/G-League. Might mean that the top plays for Coach Roy may have to actually take a real class, one they may even be required to show up for?
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Conversely, if you are a blue blood and you have a 4 or 5 start player riding the pine instead of playing 30 minutes a game, they will jump to a lower level program that has PT available at their position.
While it is hard to predict how a rule change like this will impact a program, I still think UD will come out ahead.
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UD will not come out ahead if this rule is approved.... crazy to think otherwise. Low level P5 schools and mid majors will now be like junior college to the big boys. Yeah we want you.... but go play in the A10 for a year and we'll talk to you next year.
That said I am in favor of waiving the 1 year rule if the coach leaves or is fired.
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How many Coach's would have been in Obi's ears? This can't be good for anyone but the top of the stack. Can you just think of the money the two big blue schools will be throwing around?????
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Just heard Mark Few on Sirius XM and he is not for this rule. He didn't really go into detail but said it would hurt non P5 schools, but like the good soldier he is he said "but if it does happen we will all need to adjust."
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There are only so many roster spots. The top P5 schools are not going to be able to bring in all the top freshman AND all the top mid major players. Like I have said, this rule will work both ways.Also, rumor has it, when the NBA gets rid of the 1 and done rule they are going to follow a baseball model. This would mean kids can go pro at 18 or they would have to go to college at 2 years. If that is the case, that too will take up more roster spots for P5 schools.
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This would mean kids can go pro at 18 or they would have to go to college at 2 years.
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I would love to see that. That is sort of what Bobby Knight always advocated for, although I think he wanted to require all players to have to stay 4 years in college once they chose to go to college instead of going straight to the NBA from high school. It would bring a lot more certainty too regarding a player's status and would thus make a coach's job of roster management much easier. That would also end the practice of dropping out of school as soon as the season is over, at least for freshman year.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
There are only so many roster spots. The top P5 schools are not going to be able to bring in all the top freshman AND all the top mid major players. Like I have said, this rule will work both ways.Also, rumor has it, when the NBA gets rid of the 1 and done rule they are going to follow a baseball model. This would mean kids can go pro at 18 or they would have to go to college at 2 years. If that is the case, that too will take up more roster spots for P5 schools.
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Isn't baseball 3 years of college? If you start, you cannot go in the draft till you class has gone 3 years.
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Isn't baseball 3 years of college? If you start, you cannot go in the draft till you class has gone 3 years.
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Correct, it is. I just meant it would be go pro or go to school for a couple years. The grapevine is saying 2 years of school.
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UD will not come out ahead if this rule is approved.... crazy to think otherwise. Low level P5 schools and mid majors will now be like junior college to the big boys. Yeah we want you.... but go play in the A10 for a year and we'll talk to you next year.
That said I am in favor of waiving the 1 year rule if the coach leaves or is fired.
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Name someone on our team this year who would jump to a bigger school if the transfer exemption was in place. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I can't see any of our current starters jumping ship.
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Name someone on our team this year who would jump to a bigger school if the transfer exemption was in place. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I can't see any of our current starters jumping ship.
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That's not a fair question. The players we have that would've been coveted(and eligible to transfer and play immediately) consists of 2 seniors, 1 junior and one Sophomore who's leaving anyway.
We're talking about players doing this, mostly heading into their junior and senior seasons.
Here's another scenario I can see playing out. Player heading into sophomore or junior season for UD enters the NBA draft just to test the waters like Obi and Charles Cooke did. NBA scouts tell him "Yes, you are NBA material and we think you need to work on A, B and C to get there. We suggest you talk to Coach Roy Williams about a position on UNC where we believe you can learn more from and he has an immediate need for your position as we speak".
C'mon people. Ask yourself two questions. Why do the top programs of the P5 want this? and When has the P5 ever wanted anything that happens to trickle down and help UD?
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
That's not a fair question. The players we have that would've been coveted(and eligible to transfer and play immediately) consists of 2 seniors, 1 junior and one Sophomore who's leaving anyway.
We're talking about players doing this, mostly heading into their junior and senior seasons.
Here's another scenario I can see playing out. Player heading into sophomore or junior season for UD enters the NBA draft just to test the waters like Obi and Charles Cooke did. NBA scouts tell him "Yes, you are NBA material and we think you need to work on A, B and C to get there. We suggest you talk to Coach Roy Williams about a position on UNC where we believe you can learn more from and he has an immediate need for your position as we speak".
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This will not happen, and if it did, there would be MAJOR blow back. College teams would stop giving scouts access to practices and games. Also, there are only certain things that the NBA allows teams to communicate with student athletes through current NBA rules.
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Yeah, cause nothing shady has ever happened in the world of college hoops.
I remember Sean Miller, Roy Williams, Bruce Pearl, Will Wade and Bill Self all getting fired last season for the misdeeds at their programs last year.
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Yeah, cause nothing shady has ever happened in the world of college hoops.
I remember Sean Miller, Roy Williams, Bruce Pearl, Will Wade and Bill Self all getting fired last season for the misdeeds at their programs last year.
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What incentive does the NBA have to tell kids to switch schools? This would be giving kids more exposure to other teams to possibly draft them.
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This will not happen, and if it did, there would be MAJOR blow back. College teams would stop giving scouts access to practices and games. Also, there are only certain things that the NBA allows teams to communicate with student athletes through current NBA rules.
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You're naive. Even ignoring the nba, you would have had roy williams minions in OBI's ear all 2nd semester last year.
Would he stay maybe..... most probably wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by shwag33
You're naive. Even ignoring the nba, you would have had roy williams minions in OBI's ear all 2nd semester last year.
Would he stay maybe..... most probably wouldn't.
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Teams are not allowed to contact athletes or their families unless they are in the transfer portal. Not only is this enforced strictly by the NCAA, the coaches and schools police this themselves.
EDIT: Also stop with the name calling. You can disagree, but stop with that.
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I can see it now, post game handshake line the Pearls, Selfs and Calipari of the coaching world handing kids on the other team an envelope and saying "call me"
Enjoy this season, as it may very well be the last as we know it. This new potential rule has scandal, I mean train wreck written all over it. I may need a new winter hobby
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c'mon people. Ask yourself two questions. Why do the top programs of the p5 want this? And when has the p5 ever wanted anything that happens to trickle down and help ud?
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Teams are not allowed to contact athletes or their families unless they are in the transfer portal. Not only is this enforced strictly by the NCAA, the coaches and schools police this themselves.
EDIT: Also stop with the name calling. You can disagree, but stop with that.
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Calling you naive is not name calling. It's basically what a lot of people feel based on your posts. I even thought about using it in one of my posts but went a different direction. Naive is a legitimate adjective that should not be taken as an insult, just a common weakness and we all have weaknesses.
I added this to my previous post that you quoted, apparently after you quoted it. So I'll put it here for you to respond to: C'mon people. Ask yourself two questions. Why do the top programs of the P5 want this? and When has the P5 ever wanted anything that happens to trickle down and help UD?
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Teams are not allowed to contact athletes or their families unless they are in the transfer portal. Not only is this enforced strictly by the NCAA, the coaches and schools police this themselves.
EDIT: Also stop with the name calling. You can disagree, but stop with that.
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Saying you're naive is not name calling in my book. I mean if you believe that no one would be contacted because the 'rules' say so..... I have nothing else for you.
One thing would be for sure though, it wouldn't be the head coaches directly. It would be 3rd parties/boosters nothing would ever be in writing so it couldn't get tied back to the coaches. It would just be like the money carosel with the top 10 programs paying college kids. The only difference is there wouldn't be any kind of a money trail to follow so it would be even harder to police.
I mean didn't michigans PG wreck the deans wifes car like last month lol? Yeah, no one even thought that was strange.
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What incentive does the NBA have to tell kids to switch schools? This would be giving kids more exposure to other teams to possibly draft them.
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NBA wouldn't have much of an incentive as a league, other than if they truly thought Ol Roy could develop a kid better than someone else. however, these guys are all connected, they scratch each others back, and apparently the shoe companies are willing to connect the financial dots. If Ol Roy wants a kid to transfer "up" to UNC, that kid is going to find out about it one way or another.
IIRC, you can place your name into the transfer portal but never actually transfer. It may well become standard practice to enter your name into the portal just so you can "explore your options" then decide where you want to take your talents to, which may be your current situation. The only repercussion the current school would have is to say, enter the transfer portal and you won't remain on scholarship no matter what. VTech has recently done that in football.
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I think they should take an intermediate step first - allow the transfers only at schools where the coach leaves. It'd be more of a pilot, and something most people can agree on already.
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I think they should take an intermediate step first - allow the transfers only at schools where the coach leaves. It'd be more of a pilot, and something most people can agree on already.
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I agree this would be fair move, but not as a baby step, but one big final step.
Players should be allowed to choose their coach. But I like the idea of sitting out when transferring under any other situation. Kind of like when you hire someone and they have to learn on the job for a year before they aren't a liability. If they stay a year and then leave trained, you just footed the bill for another company to reap the benefits. To prevent this, contracts are signed. It seems the same principle applies to sports scholarships. So to ensure that most of the time schools are getting something for their investment, players should have to sit out a season on a transfer to deter it from happening.
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I ask again, who votes on this proposal?
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I can see it now, post game handshake line the Pearls, Selfs and Calipari of the coaching world handing kids on the other team an envelope and saying "call me"
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Does this mean we will get more P5 schools on our schedule?
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Not 100% sure, but I thought rule changes like this are voted on by the university Presidents. Obviously after discussions with the AD and head coach.
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This is from the article I linked this morning. Maybe answers your quetsion.
We’re still a step or two away from the end of college hoops as we know it, though. The Transfer Waiver Working Group still has to make a formal recommendation to change the transfer guidelines to the Division I Council during its April 23-25 meeting. The Council can vote to approve the changes at the meeting, and because it’s a change to waiver guidelines, not legislation, it does not have to go through the legislative process.
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I doesn't have to be us. Maybe a similar situation where the envelope is handed to Jacob with the message "Have Obi call me."
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This is from the article I linked this morning. Maybe answers your quetsion.
We’re still a step or two away from the end of college hoops as we know it, though. The Transfer Waiver Working Group still has to make a formal recommendation to change the transfer guidelines to the Division I Council during its April 23-25 meeting. The Council can vote to approve the changes at the meeting, and because it’s a change to waiver guidelines, not legislation, it does not have to go through the legislative process.
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So there is a chance it will not pass. Here is the makeup of the Council.
http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1COUNCIL
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I count only 7 of 40 from the Big 5, so 33 possible no votes.
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Coach Grant was named to the Naismith Watch List for Coach of the Year (15 on the list) today.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...XOoZgWp8jgiBK/
Embedded in the article is a 3 1/2 minute video of an interview with Ryan Mikesell.
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Sort of, transferred "up" to Penn St, then 1 month later, his coach transferred "up"(?) to Navy (where he remains), from there Staten re-transferred to West Virginia.
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/archiv...8a60fa587.html
I assumed you would remember that part of his journey, Marshall HS to Oak Hill to UD to PSU to WVU, all w/n 4 years.
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A bit off-topic, but thank you for referring to that Dayton Public School as “Marshall” and not “Thurgood”. It drives me nuts to hear the local talking heads call that school “Thurgood”. I mean, when I was kid 50 years ago, I attended EJ Brown grade school, and we didn’t call that school “EJ”! And if anyone has a 13-year-old in the Huber Heights public schools, they probably attend “Weisenborn” Junior High, not “Clara” Junior High! Good grief, people!
OK, rant over...for now...
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Top 10 Glue Guys in College Basketball
February 7, 2020 by Jon Rothstein
Trey Landers, Dayton: The Flyers are the most aesthetically pleasing team in the sport and Landers is a major reason why. A terrific passer and ball mover, Landers always aids in getting Dayton the best possible shot it can on each and every possession. He also averages 6.5 rebounds and is shooting 35.1 percent from three-point range after shooting 20 percent from long distance a year ago. There’s not many utility players in the sport better than Landers.
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Trey Landers has a combined 39 rebounds in his last four games.
Doesn't get nearly the attention as Obi Toppin or Jalen Crutcher, but Dayton wouldn't be near the team it is without him.
Exudes everything that a "senior" should be in college basketball.
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How blessed we are.
UD Legend Marvels at how Flyers Reflect Values of theiir Coach
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...BPjKW0SEAt7HM/
What do you do the morning after becoming the A10 championship winning coach?...
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If Landers is starting we are not going to be improved.
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Oops, I think we did improve
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Oops, I think we did improve
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He’s just keeping his streak of incorrect predictions intact.
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Originally Posted by TA111
He’s just keeping his streak of incorrect predictions intact.
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Don't forget negative too...….
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If you get The Athletic, Trey is featured in this article by Seth Davis listing his glue guys.
https://theathletic.com/1646292/2020...all-glue-team/
it is 8 long paragraphs Here's the first and last:
When Anthony Grant took over as the Flyers’ coach in the spring of 2017, Landers was a broken man. A 6-5 guard from Dayton who had played on a state championship team at Wayne High School, he was coming off a highly disappointing freshman campaign under the previous coach, Archie Miller, who played Landers in only nine games for a grand total of 52 minutes. Landers spent a lot of lonely hours shooting by himself until the wee hours of the morning that season, wondering why he wasn’t playing and what he could do to change it. “I was really lost,” he says. “I had all these questions going through my head. Is this the right school for me? What am I doing wrong? Every option came into my head because I was young and going through that by
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Asked how he imagines this season will conclude for Dayton, Landers provides a two-word answer: “National championship.” That would indeed be a storybook ending, but the better victory will come in May when he earns his degree in criminal justice. Glue guys win, and winners graduate. “I’m just so proud of the way the guy has persevered,” Grant says. “He’s had great success with this team, but more than anything he’s prepared for life.”
Ryan Mikesell was an honorable mention.
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College Basketball's Unorthodox Season Sets the Stage for a Wide-Open March:
https://www.si.com/college/2020/03/0...dsu-basketball
And then there is Dayton’s Obi Toppin who might be the first player in the NCAA tournament to get drafted. In a way, the 6'9" forward is an embodiment of this season.
In an era of one-and-dones, Toppin entered as a one-and-none, academically ineligible as a freshman. But rather than see it as a year off, Flyers coach Anthony Grant says, “He was able to really buy into, ‘Hey, your games are practice. . . . Scout team or five-on-five, he looked forward to that. He took advantage of that year.”
Toppin was stronger, smarter and more skilled when he finally played in a game. Now he is a 220-pound redshirt sophomore with lottery buzz who does what many top prospects struggle to do: commit to making his teammates better by focusing on today.
It seems absurd to say Dayton (six NCAA tournament wins in the 2000s), San Diego State (six) or Seton Hall (four) is a good pick to win the national championship, but it’s true. When the Flyers took Kansas to overtime in the Maui Invitational, Grant was not surprised. “We’ve got a chance every night,” he says. “Is that an indictment of the rest of college basketball? I hope not. We’ve got a good team.”
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I'm not a Joe Lunardi fan, but I do give him credit for parlaying tournament brackets into a national TV gig and for comments that he made during the Fordham @ St. Joe's game on ESPN+ on Saturday.
Talking about the Flyers, he mentioned a conversation that he had with SVP. He said that SVP was looking at our resume and making the usually comments about St Mary's, etc and the close games against, George Mason and others.
Lunardi's response was something to the effect of "Scott, Dayton is bored. They are playing bored. On Friday night when they play Davidson on ESPN and Dick Vital is there, they will wake up and show how good they are."
I have to give him credit. He was right.
They were up for Davidson.
They were not going to let URI backup their smack talk.
They will send Ryan and Trey out in style on Saturday night.
They will be focused for every tournament game. Beyond the obvious talent, the ability to rise to the occasion when the lights are brightest make this team exceptionally dangerous in tournament play.
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Originally Posted by MrFlyerFanatic
I'm not a Joe Lunardi fan, but I do give him credit for parlaying tournament brackets into a national TV gig and for comments that he made during the Fordham @ St. Joe's game on ESPN+ on Saturday.
Talking about the Flyers, he mentioned a conversation that he had with SVP. He said that SVP was looking at our resume and making the usually comments about St Mary's, etc and the close games against, George Mason and others.
Lunardi's response was something to the effect of "Scott, Dayton is bored. They are playing bored. On Friday night when they play Davidson on ESPN and Dick Vital is there, they will wake up and show how good they are."
I have to give him credit. He was right.
They were up for Davidson.
They were not going to let URI backup their smack talk.
They will send Ryan and Trey out in style on Saturday night.
They will be focused for every tournament game. Beyond the obvious talent, the ability to rise to the occasion when the lights are brightest make this team exceptionally dangerous in tournament play.
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SVP made the same comments last Sat AM on college gameday (about our SOS). Bilas' reply: "that all goes away when you see them play in person"
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USA Today just bumped us to a 1 seed in their bracketology
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...le/4961627002/
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If this bracket comes to pass and the higher seeds all win, our path to the final 4 looks like Radford, WVU, Ohio State, Florida State. That would be fun
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The others will follow suit...
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