More of the Same

John C. · #1 10-09-2008, 01:00 PM

Hate to fall off the bandwagon so early......

http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?p=69733

Fudd · #2 10-09-2008, 02:12 PM

What bandwagon are your refering to?

UD_NY · #3 10-09-2008, 02:32 PM

I really enjoyed that article. First, it was basketball related which was nice. It was also fair. I have too many question marks in my head to project a A-10 championship or even a top five finish in the A-10.

Atlantic 10 · #4 10-09-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by John C.

Hate to fall off the bandwagon so early......

http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?p=69733

I hope when you were comparing CJ and Perryman, is because of heart, they are very different in types of basketball players, Perryman range was only 5 ft, CJ is alot deeper

hawkoooo · #5 10-09-2008, 02:48 PM

I enjoyed the article as well. I agree with what you said about CJ being important, he could be thrown minutes backing up the 3 if he plays well right away. I love watching Warren, but agree he is not fit to run the team. I sure hope Lowery is...

Disagree about Little not starting, because he will. He will also be a factor because if he isn't, we are in trouble...

UDBrian · #6 10-09-2008, 02:55 PM

Nice article. The results of the season really do rest on London and Lowery. But, most teams require good point guard play to be successful so it goes with the position. How many teams do you see in the NCAA that aren't receiving good point guard play?

I do agree on Chris Johnson even though I have only seen highlight videos. He seems similar to Perryman in his desire to get to loose balls but Ryan would have loved Chris's range.

UDFLYERS2K · #7 10-09-2008, 03:05 PM

Good article John. Thanks! I think this is a very accurate and fair assessment of our team. However I am little more optimistic at this point. I have a question for you regarding Little. Do you have inside information regarding Charles not starting or is it just your gut feeling at this point? I think it is too soon to say for sure that Little is going to have another down year. After health and point guard production I would say that CL is the biggest factor in this teams success.

bobber · #8 10-09-2008, 03:45 PM

John, your article and predictions are well done.

I too am scared to death of what may happen with London on the floor in crunch-time situations. I expect improvement from the veterans and hope that Williams and possibly Johnson can do a bit more than is normally expected of Frosh. Certainly Williams has a head start on most new players in terms of physique. That, and solid play at the point, could see us in the four-letter tournament and not in the three-letter one.

The Chef · #9 10-09-2008, 04:53 PM

Any comments on Mickey Perry's contributions for 08-09? I personally think he will play more of a role than none, which certainly means he should get some mention, right?

Flyer 86 · #10 10-09-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by hawkoooo

I enjoyed the article as well. I agree with what you said about CJ being important, he could be thrown minutes backing up the 3 if he plays well right away. I love watching Warren, but agree he is not fit to run the team. I sure hope Lowery is...

Disagree about Little not starting, because he will. He will also be a factor because if he isn't, we are in trouble...

i'm 60/40 as to charles starting. i think he will, and even if he doesnt' i think he pulls thru with a better year. with so many more quality guys around him, i think several players consistency of play will improve. Add in added expectations and what was stated as a good summer for Charley little, i'm predicting good things.

agree mostly about london --- h'e still a wild card, with double entendre meant to be mentioned. could be good, who knows! BUt, i think we have some to "cover him up" if that's the case ...... meanign combo of Lowery, paul W, Perry and who knows.

pg is biggest factor in our success, followed by charles little. other saviours/decent complimentary players could be CJ and perry and PW.

John C. · #11 10-09-2008, 05:36 PM

As far as the bandwagon is concerned, I would have to say that the majority of fans would say that they think we have a good shot at the NCAA this year. I just don't see it.

I would love to see Little return to the form we saw the last half of his sophomore year. He was friggin' awesome. Put that Little in the line-up and I change my mind about the NCAA. However, I saw that once or twice last year. That is not enough to make me think that he is still capable of that. Over the years, I have rarely seen a Flyer have a super senior season after a poor junior year.

Perry was probably my biggest disappointment last year. Despite what Gregory said in the paper, I never felt that Perry shot the ball well last year. He has a terrible handle to top that off. It would be nice to see him get back to the kid that could light it up in high school, although he hasn't done it since the guys got taller and quicker when he got to college.

As fans, we continually fool ourselves into believing that our teams are better than they really are. I have done that my entire life. For once, I decided to look at our team as if I wasn't a fan and this is what I saw. Only in the bleakest years did I not fool myself into thinking that we would be good enough to at least be interested on Selection Sunday. Just look at how many times we are on national TV. Sadly, I only need one hand to count them. In my mind, that is 'nuff said.

Chris R · #12 10-09-2008, 05:50 PM

i write something, nobody says a word. mad dog pops his head out of the dirt for first time in 6 months and hes a folk hero.

typical.

daytonflyers · #13 10-09-2008, 05:55 PM

john, i think one thing that made charles' numbers go down besides his injury was the presence of chris wright. obviously, that was a good thing for our team. but many of the things wright did for us while healthy were the things charles did for us his sophomore year--offensive rebound buckets, catch and finish plays, garbage points.

it seems the two got along quite well but with games so similar they had a hard time being effective at the same time. keep in mind that charles' numbers were much lower the first have of the season than the second half.

there are 3 reasons why i think (and hope) this will change this year.

1. a more fast paced game should mean more attacking opportunities for everyone.

2. chris' development as a true 3 instead of a 4 masquerading as a 3 might leave the inside dirty work to charles a little more often (though obviously chris is so active he is going to be in the mix all thetime).

3. they have had a year and summer of playing with one another and getting used to each other...hopefully this will allow them to play off of one another more than play in each other's way.

Fudd · #14 10-09-2008, 06:30 PM

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm not as down on what London can do for us this year, and I think we are an NIT team with a good shot at the NCAA if we have some of the newcomers helping us from the 3pt line.

dannardo · #15 10-09-2008, 07:27 PM

I think daytonflyers nailed it on Little. The injury really impacted the second half of Little's season - even after he returned to the floor. If he can return to his physical game, which I think the injury strongly curtailed, then he will be a force.
And I will say it again - Perry will surprise some folks this year. I thought he began to understand and move without having to think first in Gregory's system in the last five games or so. I think his game will emergeand may keep Williams on the bench more than a lot of folks anticipate.

The Chef · #16 10-10-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Chris R

i write something, nobody says a word. mad dog pops his head out of the dirt for first time in 6 months and hes a folk hero.

typical.

Let's face it Chris: you're just way too over-exposed. I recommend that you hire a PR consultant. Maybe you can pay him double what you pay your interregional superstar writer. That would burn him good.

Swampy Meadows · #17 10-10-2008, 12:13 PM

Chef:

Let's see: two times nothing is...ummm...still nothing!

udflyerhoops2 · #18 10-10-2008, 12:38 PM

While I respect John C.'s assessment and agree with him on most of his points, I have to disagree with his take on London. I have always been a fan of London's. I have seen enough of Warren to be able to believe that if the offense is run at a higher tempo than we have seen, he will be an all conference point guard. I predict at least 5 APG and probably more. He doesn't need to shoot a lot of threes. He does need to make some of the one's he does shoot, though. Remember, many of London's assists came during plays where UD was running in transition. As much as I like LW, I know that he does need to learn how to play in a slower style as well. Hopefully, he has worked on not getting too overly excited in those situations. But IMHO, the onus is on BG to design the offense to bring out the strengths of his players. With the horses that are on the team now, there is no reason not to open up the offense. With CW, MJ, and PW to run with, there are plenty of opportunities for London to become the player we all hoped he could be. If UD makes it to the NCAA this year, it will be because London took them there. LW is the starter. He knows the offense better than any PG we have. If by the New Year, he's sitting on the bench due to ineffectiveness, I will be right on here telling you all that you were right, and I was wrong all along. However, I don't believe that will happen. I can't wait for the season to start so that he can prove you all wrong.

Medford · #19 10-10-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows

Chef:

Let's see: two times nothing is...ummm...still nothing!

Despite these trouble economic times, I think you're worth 3x the going rate Swampy. I'd ask Chris for that raise, what's the worst he can do, say no

BallgameJohnny · #20 10-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by John C.

Perry was probably my biggest disappointment last year. Despite what Gregory said in the paper, I never felt that Perry shot the ball well last year. He has a terrible handle to top that off. It would be nice to see him get back to the kid that could light it up in high school, although he hasn't done it since the guys got taller and quicker when he got to college.
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How many minutes did Perry get a game , shots a game, and please tell me how he has a terrible handle, or more when he actually displayed this terrible handle?

UDF4N4LIF3 · #21 10-10-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2

While I respect John C.'s assessment and agree with him on most of his points, I have to disagree with his take on London. I have always been a fan of London's. I have seen enough of Warren to be able to believe that if the offense is run at a higher tempo than we have seen, he will be an all conference point guard. I predict at least 5 APG and probably more. He doesn't need to shoot a lot of threes. He does need to make some of the one's he does shoot, though. Remember, many of London's assists came during plays where UD was running in transition. As much as I like LW, I know that he does need to learn how to play in a slower style as well. Hopefully, he has worked on not getting too overly excited in those situations. But IMHO, the onus is on BG to design the offense to bring out the strengths of his players. With the horses that are on the team now, there is no reason not to open up the offense. With CW, MJ, and PW to run with, there are plenty of opportunities for London to become the player we all hoped he could be. If UD makes it to the NCAA this year, it will be because London took them there. LW is the starter. He knows the offense better than any PG we have. If by the New Year, he's sitting on the bench due to ineffectiveness, I will be right on here telling you all that you were right, and I was wrong all along. However, I don't believe that will happen. I can't wait for the season to start so that he can prove you all wrong.

What do you mean all of you? I think Lowery has a good chance of playing but I would MUCH rather have Warren running the PG then Lowery. Warran can avg like 6 APG and like 6-7 PPG and it will be fine. Because MJ, CW, PW, CL will all step up! and score at will!

hUDygrad · #22 10-10-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2

I predict at least 5 APG and probably more. He doesn't need to shoot a lot of threes. He does need to make some of the one's he does shoot, though.

At least 5? You do know that Lowe averaged only 6 and Lavender only 4.5. So you are basically asking for him to triple his assist output even though Brob isn't there. I don't see it happening. If he can just play steady and avoid mistakes I'll take it. I look for Lowery to slowly take over the majority of PG duties especially at the end of games.

Gazoo · #23 10-10-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Chris R

i write something, nobody says a word. mad dog pops his head out of the dirt for first time in 6 months and hes a folk hero.

typical.

You wrote something?

Gazoo · #24 10-10-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by BallgameJohnny

How many minutes did Perry get a game , shots a game, and please tell me how he has a terrible handle, or more when he actually displayed this terrible handle?

He is not at all an open-court ball handler. Someone earlier this year mentioned him as a backup PG and there is no way, no way, no way.

Going to the hole I wouldn't call him terrible but he's average at best. IMO below average.