Coaching philosophy: Timeout or not?

[priceg75]

This has happened in 2 of 3 games now, we have gotten a rebound with 10 seconds or less to go on the opponent's end, trailing.

Neither time have we called a timeout. It did not work against Chattanooga, and it did against Miami.

Just curious about everyone's preference or reasoning here... if you get the ball down 1 or 2 with a chance to win or tie and under 10 seconds left in the opponent's half of the floor... do you call timeout to draw up a play (but also let the defense get set?), or do you let it play out and let your kids use their hopefully superior basketball IQ to try to win (or extend) the game for you?

[keats '91]

I like not calling a time out. It allows opponent to better set their defense. Our experienced core should be able to generate a decent to good shot.

To me the better question for the poll would be about strategy of not fouling down 1 with 40 seconds left. Why not foul and extend the game. By not fouling, we only got the one chance. It worked. But I would expect a coaches son to want multiple attempts rather than just the one.

[MrFlyerFanatic]

Push the ball up the floor. Take advantage of defensive chaos. Make someone stop the ball.

It's JJ's game plan for every possession by the Women's team.

[AC91]

I think we are a better team in transition/motion vs the half court set right now. I'm guessing Archie recognizes that and isn't calling TO to give us a better chance at a good look. if we figure out the halfcourt a little bit, you might start seeing archie call TO.

[jack72]

Call a timeout for what? So we can watch someone dribble for several seconds and launch up a prayer 3. We have seen that act too many times.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by jack72 Call a timeout for what? So we can watch someone dribble for several seconds and launch up a prayer 3. We have seen that act too many times.

Yes, because that last play that was run against Chattanooga was SO GREAT.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by MrFlyerFanatic Push the ball up the floor. Take advantage of defensive chaos. Make someone stop the ball. It's JJ's game plan for every possession by the Women's team.

I think we need to do this most of if not the entire game, not just on the final possession of the game. Way too many times we are dribbling and slowly passing the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock is under 5 seconds, and then we are forced to chuck up a 3 point attempt by either a guy who should not shoot 3's or by someone who is heavily guarded.

[Smitty10]

I'm guessing that the play is already drawn prior to the opponents running their offense. "If they score a 2, take it down, run this and shoot a 3" "If they don't score run this and go for 2 or 3". "If they score a 3, shake their hands and let's go home."

[ud69]

The last 43 seconds were very strange last night.

First, Scooch was not on the floor. When I saw him subbed out for Crosby I assumed Archie was thinking of taking a deliberate foul on a bad free throw shooter - even though Miami was in the double bonus and the shot clock would give us the ball back. Scooch had 4 fouls, so he was pulled to let someone else be the hatchet man. Why else would Scooch be subbed out? Or - get a defensive stop and then a timeout to get Scooch back in?

Second - Miami gets 3 shots and two offensive boards before Cooke gets the rebound. The ball was right on the rim and never went down.

Third - Cooke gets the board and brings it up the floor. No timeout by Archie - perhaps because with all the Miami shots the game clock is under 10 seconds? I expected Cooke to drive or pull up. Yet - he was guarded tightly and gave it up to Kyle - not someone you would expect to take that last shot.

Fourth. Look at the position of Davis' feet s he goes up for the shot. Way off balance and not even close to square to the bucket. However, by the time he releases the shot he is fairly square. Pretty athletic move - and more than a bit of luck.

We stole one last night - after giving one away to the Mocs.

[Angry John]

No, especially when there is a missed shot. A time out allows time for the opposing team to set up a defense. Just have Scoochie or Cook go to the basket. Have shooting guards on the wings for kick outs and Pollard crashing the board for a put back on a missed shot.

[ud2]

I don't know, I'm partial to just letting it play out...if you call a timeout, you give the other coach/team time to set up their defense...just letting it play out in a chaotic/time-crunched manner might lead to getting a better shot.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Angry John No, especially when there is a missed shot. A time out allows time for the opposing team to set up a defense. Just have Scoochie or Cook go to the basket. Have shooting guards on the wings for kick outs and Pollard crashing the board for a put back on a missed shot.

I agree with you. This takes me back to the Ohio State game. To this day I think after Vee made the shot, the Flyers should've taken time out to set up a defense that wouldn't let Aaron Craft to take the ball so easily across court for an attempt at a game winning basket. Loved that it worked out but I thought too many things could've gone wrong(he made the shot, a foul etc...) and I get chills thinking about how history could've been changed.

[BOF02]

I don't recall but did AM take a Time Out to set up the play for Vee or was the Time Out for another happening?

[priceg75]

The time out was taken to set up Vee's shot.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by priceg75 The time out was taken to set up Vee's shot.

That's correct, maybe my memory was fuzzy, but didn't the Flyers still have a timeout left after that?

[priceg75]

According to the CBS graphic, the Flyers did have one timeout left after Vee's shot.

[ud2]

Maybe I misremember, but I don't think Archie/UD had time to call a timeout vs. OSU. Don't you have to have possession of the ball in order to call timeout? Seemed like OSU hurried up and inbounded the ball quickly after Vee scored.

[UDBrian]

I would say no timeout unless you have a superstar like Larry Bird who can always get his shot off in the half court. Plus you still need to advance the ball up the floor which will be more difficult after a time out

[mook]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Yes, because that last play that was run against Chattanooga was SO GREAT.

It may not have been a great shot in the end but he got to the bucket pretty efficiently, but had bad body placement. In the end I want that action. If he doesn't get to the hoop quickly you still have the timeout.

[ChampCar]

John Wooden did not call timeouts to set strategy. Good enough for me.
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[Sea Bass]

more chances for the defense to screw up if the ball stays live and everyone is running up the floor. I like the idea of pushing the ball up quickly in a live ball situation and not calling timeout.

[UDDoug]

Also coached can't call time out when the ball is in play. Someone on the floor would have had to call TO after Scoochie crossed half court against UTC. They would have had about 3 seconds left. I am fine with letting that play out. He got to the rim.
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[ud69]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Also coached can't call time out when the ball is in play. Someone on the floor would have had to call TO after Scoochie crossed half court. They would have had about 3 seconds left. I am fine with letting that play out. He got to the rim. Posted via Mobile Device

Scooch was not on the floor. Cooke was bringing the ball up court. Good point about the new rule regarding who can call timeout. Wasting a couple precious seconds for Archie to communicate that he wants a timeout and getting it called was probably not a good idea.

[UDDoug]

Referring to UTC game. Edited.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by ChampCar John Wooden did not call timeouts to set strategy. Good enough for me. Posted via Mobile Device

And neither did Bobby Knight. I love the rule that the coach can't call a TO. They were b****ing about it on ESPN today, saying "coaches have their jobs on the line, let them control this" but I would argue the exact opposite and for the same reason. Coach's jobs ARE on the line, so let them coach in practice.

Coaches should be more like spectators and less like Nintendo game players during the game IMO. BK used to do that. I think AM does a great job of that, he let's them play and gives instruction but BG (for instance) always seemed like he was trying to shout instructions to 5 guys at once in the middle of a play. What the heck were they doing in practice all week???

[CJ43]

I am in favor of not calling a timeout and letting our boys play, because I think typically our players will have higher basketball IQ than the opposing teams. However its not like we've gotten great shots from not calling a timeout. Scoochie shot didn't even hit the rim and Kyle Davis shot while it went in I wouldn't say it was a great look. I wish Archie would have a special play in these type of situations, that the players practiced prior so we could ensure a good look. Obviously it would have been useful these last couple of games.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by CJ43 I wish Archie would have a special play in these type of situations, that the players practiced prior so we could ensure a good look. Obviously it would have been useful these last couple of games.

I'm sure they practice these situations every day in practice. You can never "ensure" a good look in any situation.

[Alberto Strasse]

have more to do with the offensive coach's ego than scoring. Good teams are organized and practice end game situations. Players win and lose far more games than coaches do. Execution should be valued by not calling a time out. The players know where the ball should go for the best shot. Charles Cooke made a great decision when he passed to Kyle Davis because he was guarded so well by Miami. Good teams have players who make good decisions.

[shocka43]

This team does better in organized chaos and scoring on the fly than working sets and producing out of a plan. Over the last couple games AM has had be scratching my head on some personnel decisions, but I think that is going to change drastically come conference play. I think right now he is managing the ego's of players and that has to end. If player A is butt hurt about playing time, tough. In reading body language alone, I could make a determination about who should be racking up the "for debate" minutes on the floor.

Miami continually switched up defenses and with a timeout, they would have thrown something at UD that they weren't expecting...taking the set play out of a timeout and turning it into a cluster with only 10 seconds to fix. I think it was the right call, but if you have a full shot clock, you call it.