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Guys since AG will be transferring what are the odds we use one scholarship on another forward?
Right now our Forwards are:
Pierre
Pollard
Scott
Robinson
McElvene in coming freshmen.
Unless we run a 3 guard offense next year?
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I'd imagine they're going to definitely now use 2 of them. Need either a C , F, or a C/F combo that can play and they need a shooter...UD loses around 27-28 ppg going into next year and I can see around half of those at least being made up if nothing is done..Need a shooter also to transition for the loss of Sibert after next season. I would take a JUCO scorer/shooter,preferably, with 2 years but if you can get a 1 year guy that does not have to sit out then I'd take him as well.
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Just have to find one wing player with eligibility next year. JUCO, 5th year transfer rule, late bloomer/still uncommitted recruit, LOI released recruit due to coaching change are the options. Can take up to 2 true transfers as well or bank for 2 years from now.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Just have to find one wing player with eligibility next year. JUCO, 5th year transfer rule, late bloomer/still uncommitted recruit, LOI released recruit due to coaching change are the options. Can take up to 2 true transfers as well or bank for 2 years from now.
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I think a BIG is far more important...Only 2 on the team now and both do not play big....With a true freshman C next year nobody will know what his capabilities are until it's possibly too late. Plus, UD is hoping/praying that both Scott and Robinson progress at a better rate than they did going into this past season.
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Chances that we use a remaining scholly on a forward is 100%, imo. Whether it's a 3 or 4 only the staff knows..
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Really seems like UD needs a JUCO 4 or 5, or a 5th year transfer 4 or 5 now, if for nothing else than to have some depth at the 4 and 5.
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Originally Posted by steve
I think a BIG is far more important...Only 2 on the team now and both do not play big....With a true freshman C next year nobody will know what his capabilities are until it's possibly too late. Plus, UD is hoping/praying that both Scott and Robinson progress at a better rate than they did going into this past season.
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Two bigs + Pollard + freshman McElvane is a heck of a lot more depth than at wing. I don't disagree that they need to replenish in that department. But at wing, we've got Pierre. That's really about it honestly. One guy. So that is clearly most important.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Two bigs + Pollard + freshman McElvane is a heck of a lot more depth than at wing. I don't disagree that they need to replenish in that department. But at wing, we've got Pierre. That's really about it honestly. One guy. So that is clearly most important.
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Pollard is 6'6". Hardly a BIG. Sibert is a 2 who can play some wing, offensively. Pollard can play defense out on the wing. That's 2-3 right there. Hardly enough, though. They truly need BOTH positions enhanced greatly for both next year and beyond. Scott is a fouling machine and has been for 2 straight years. You can count on your hands the MPG he might average next year and he's not shown me anything that his game can/will improve far more going into next season than it did going into this past season. That leaves you at 3 guys on the entire team bigger than 6'8" with one who is a fouling machine..And nobody knows presently if McElvane will be a guy who is even ready next year..
I'd bet my you-know-what that AM will have both positions filled going into next season and probably bank the 3rd one..
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Two bigs + Pollard + freshman McElvane is a heck of a lot more depth than at wing. I don't disagree that they need to replenish in that department. But at wing, we've got Pierre. That's really about it honestly. One guy. So that is clearly most important.
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What has changed at wing from last year? Lost Sanford but picked up D Davis. What has changed at the 4/5? Lost Kav, Gavs, and DMO. So far the only replacement is McElvene.
Not sure the rationale for a wing. Sibert can play the 3 and I bet D Davis can as well if needed.
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Originally Posted by steve
Pollard is 6'6". Hardly a BIG. Sibert is a 2 who can play some wing, offensively. Pollard can play defense out on the wing. That's 2-3 right there
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So Pollard can guard a 3. And Sibert is a 2 and Dayton's best option at 2.
When I tally it up, I'm still counting 1 player who is a 3 in Pierre. I guess 1.5 players if you want to look at it that way.
Now Pierre I think could play 4. Except that he's our only 3!
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This seems like an accurate accounting of the situation, 4 and 5 seem to be the only glaring needs.
1-Price and Smith
2-Sibert(also a 3 maybe), Davis(maybe a 1 also), D. Davis(also a 3 maybe)
3-Pierre, Pollard
4 and 5-Robinson, Scott, and McElvene
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Originally Posted by springborofan
What has changed at wing from last year? Lost Sanford but picked up D Davis. What has changed at the 4/5? Lost Kav, Gavs, and DMO. So far the only replacement is McElvene.
Not sure the rationale for a wing. Sibert can play the 3 and I bet D Davis can as well if needed.
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Well, you lost 2 guys right there who could play the wing in Oliver and Sanford.
Doesn't seem wise to me to try and play a freshman combo guard (D Davis) who weighs 150 lbs soaking wet at the small forward.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
So Pollard can guard a 3. And Sibert is a 2 and Dayton's best option at 2.
When I tally it up, I'm still counting 1 player who is a 3 in Pierre. I guess 1.5 players if you want to look at it that way.
Now Pierre I think could play 4. Except that he's our only 3!
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So since you actually think that Pollard is a BIG can you really see him guarding 6'9"-6'10" guys? Really? Yes, Pollard can guard out on a wing and guard a 2 and a "3". That doesn't mean he can play the 2 position offensively. Sibert can play the "3" offensively, if needed, but he can't guard a "3". Not that hard to interpret if you really want to discuss the X's and O's of the game and the moving parts..
As mentioned, when you have what is now 3 openings, he'll definitely be filling 2 of those for sure with a shooter/ "3" and a BIG.
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Originally Posted by steve
So since you actually think that Pollard is a BIG can you really see him guarding 6'9"-6'10" guys? Really? Yes, Pollard can guard out on a wing and guard a 2 and a "3". That doesn't mean he can play the 2 position offensively.
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I definitely think Pollard would be more effective guarding 6'9" guys than 6'2" shooting guards in most cases. Not against a 6'9"-6'10" guy that really throws his weight around but going up against many A10 bigs is very doable for him. I believe Pollard plays bigger than he is. Looking at our own roster as an example, I do think Pollard is more suited to guard Jalen Robinson than he would be Jordan Sibert. You put him on a shooting guard and he's going to pick up fouls.
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So since you actually think that Pollard is a BIG can you really see him guarding 6'9"-6'10" guys? Really?
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He already has. He was defending Dwight Powell from Stanford, for example. He's 6-6, but he was used as a power forward.
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Powell is a big boy. Listed 6'10" and 240lbs.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
So Pollard can guard a 3. And Sibert is a 2 and Dayton's best option at 2.
When I tally it up, I'm still counting 1 player who is a 3 in Pierre. I guess 1.5 players if you want to look at it that way.
Now Pierre I think could play 4. Except that he's our only 3!
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As we play, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the 2 and 3. We just have the position "wing", which was covered by three players last year: Sanford, Pierre, Sibert. (With a little bit from Kyle Davis.) Sanford at 6-4 is gone and DDavis at 6-4 is coming in. So what's the difference, other than the fact that he's a freshman? That just means more minutes for the upperclassmen probably, but the same coverage in terms of number of bodies.
I keep hearing Pollard and Oliver referred to as small forwards, but that simply is not how they were used. They were almost always our second biggest players on the court (Pollard basically being Oliver's backup) and they mostly guarded post players, not wings. I'd call that a power forward.
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
He already has. He was defending Dwight Powell from Stanford, for example. He's 6-6, but he was used as a power forward.
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And Powell went for 17 and 9, well above his averages....What gives? Pollard played 14 minutes that game and naturally when Stanford starts 3 guys around 6'10" or bigger then he automatically is going to guard one of them..He is not going to make his living the next 3 years having success against guys that big offensively or defensively.
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Originally Posted by steve
And Powell went for 17 and 9, well above his averages....What gives? Pollard played 14 minutes that game and naturally when Stanford starts 3 guys around 6'10" or bigger then he automatically is going to guard one of them..He is not going to make his living the next 3 years having success against guys that big offensively or defensively.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure how Powell did, but that's not a great assignment for Pollard. A 6'9" guy whose 220-230 lbs is fine. 6'10" and 240-250 lbs would be tough. Unless of course, Dayton is really pushing the tempo and not giving the opposition's big uglies time to get down the floor.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Yeah, I wasn't sure how Powell did, but that's not a great assignment for Pollard. A 6'9" guy whose 220-230 lbs is fine. 6'10" and 240-250 lbs would be tough. Unless of course, Dayton is really pushing the tempo and not giving the opposition's big uglies time to get down the floor.
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Look, I like Pollard alot and there's no doubt he plays bigger than he is....He can jump out of the gym and it's all over when he gets you on his hip/butt..If he can face up a bit and hit the 15-17 footer UD is going to be playing in more NCAA tourneys..I can see him comfortably guarding the 6'8" guys of the world but some of these guys with real length I worry about........Either way, AM knows what he needs...May have doubted him 2-3 months ago but not now......lol
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People need to realize Oliver was only 6'7 I think Pollard only being 6'6 with his jumping skills can fill the position for a few minutes. We need another true forward for sure. But, this team could be more run and gun especially with our speed.
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Pollard is only 6'6, but has tremendous arm length which gives him the ability to guard a guy up to 6'9. His arm length is why he blocks so many shots for is height. He can play the 4. Guarding a 4 with a lot of weight is what would give me pause. KP has to get a lot stronger and he will.
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
I keep hearing Pollard and Oliver referred to as small forwards, but that simply is not how they were used. They were almost always our second biggest players on the court (Pollard basically being Oliver's backup) and they mostly guarded post players, not wings. I'd call that a power forward.
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Agree. We seldom had two "bigs" on the floor at the same time. They were mostly used at the 4 spot. If Oliver can play the 4, Pollard can play the 4.
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Top need is C or F/C for me without question. Especially with the loss of Gavs. Wings are nice but we need size and depth down low. Plenty of players can play the three: Sibert, Pierre, Pollard, maybe DD.
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo
Top need is C or F/C for me without question. Especially with the loss of Gavs. Wings are nice but we need size and depth down low. Plenty of players can play the three: Sibert, Pierre, Pollard, maybe DD.
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I only trust one for extended stretches. I do see a starting two guard, a back up two guard, and an undersized power forward in that grouping however.
I think the wing is the greatest need but we're splitting hairs here because both are needs. We need two guys. Or another year of eligibility for Devin Oliver. If only that were possible! Who needs SFs or PFs when you can just play a DMO?
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It is important that you folks understand thatUD inflates sizes!! Oliver was at best 6'6 and Pollard is really much closer to 6'4 than 6'6. Their wing spanned may exceed their height but that is really their actual heights.
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Originally Posted by PJN68
It is important that you folks understand thatUD inflates sizes!! Oliver was at best 6'6 and Pollard is really much closer to 6'4 than 6'6. Their wing spanned may exceed their height but that is really their actual heights.
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UD isn't the only school that does this, they pretty much all do. So it really doesn't make a difference.
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My point was that to place an expectation on a kid like Pollard to play the power forward slot against 6'8 guys is a great deal to ask and requires over achievement that may be untrainable.
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My point was that to place an expectation on a kid like Pollard to play the power forward slot against 6'8 guys is a great deal to ask and requires over achievement that may be untrainable.
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But If the 6'8" guy is really only 6'6" then the 6'6" who is really only 6'4 can guard him. That's AC's point. They all do it so it's all relative.
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So that means I'm actually six feet tall?
Woohoo! I've been wanting to get there all my life!
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Originally Posted by PJN68
It is important that you folks understand thatUD inflates sizes!! Oliver was at best 6'6 and Pollard is really much closer to 6'4 than 6'6. Their wing spanned may exceed their height but that is really their actual heights.
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Even my 14 year old realizes that her "basketball height" is different from her "height at the doctors office". Every school, from Junior High clear through D1 basketball seems to inflate heights anymore.
I never realized my 6'3" height was actually more like 6'6" until recently as I have ran into a few UD legends at different youth basketball functions and other events around the Dayton area, and gee I am as tall as they are.
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Or you could just list actual heights so you can walk in as an 'undersized underdog' in every game and always surprise people. "That team plays bigger than they are!"
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As long as we're off-topic, I'll mention a story from my days at UD. Back in 1983-84, I took Fr. Burns' Christian Marriage class, and at the beginning of class, he always had us stand for an opening prayer. Well, Rory Dahlinghaus & Jim Shields were both in the class, and they sat next to each other @ 3-4 rows below me. They were both listed on the roster as being 6'8", but Dahlinghaus had to have a good 2" height advantage on Shields. Dahlinghaus 6'8"? Maybe. Shields? No way!
Back on topic. IMHO, losing Gavs puts my priority list as follows:
1) An experienced BIG needs to be near the top of the priority list, even if the guy is just someone like the Walker kid that X had back when they were Gangsta Central. A grad student or JUCO who's between 6'7" (a LEGIT 6'7") and 6'9" who can bang for 20 minutes a game, get 3-4 boards a game, and play some solid D. Otherwise, we're going to wear-out SM, DS, JR, & KPo by the time we get to the A10 Tourney in March.
2) A frosh whose best position is the 3, to back-up and understudy P-Air Canada. We only have 2 experienced true wings in DP & JS, and both are upperclassmen. DD is a combo guard, not a wing (though IMHO he will see serious minutes at the wing, if we don't fill this need). We need a guy in the 6'5"-6'6" range who can slash as well as launch, though he doesn't need to be all-world in either skill.
Beyond that, just get the best player out there who's a good fit for the program, regardless of size.
Again - IMHO.
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Since Dayton loses a Georgetown transfer and a back up big, maybe pick up a one-year stop gap Georgetown transfer of the 5th year variety who is really big?
http://www.casualhoya.com/2014/4/5/5...hoyas-transfer
Wouldn't be an exciting move as he didn't do a whole lot at Georgetown and has virtually zero offensive ability but he can play defense, block shots and rebound. Had an ACL issue a couple years back that set him back, but he has shown glimpses. Pulled down 10 boards (5 offensive) in limited minutes he got as a result of foul trouble for their starter in a game against Syracuse a couple seasons back.
I'd be okay with it actually as a temporary solution for F/C. Maybe even paired with a power forward transfer who does have to sit out a year.
If Dayton did bring him in for a visit, perhaps his old teammate Vee Sanford could show him around? Maybe Vee has one last assist in him...
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I saw Ayegba play once this year at Xavier, I don't recall what kind of game he had, so I doubt that he had a standout game, but one thing that I will say is that I think he is a pretty solid looking specimen/he's pretty well built/he's pretty cut and muscular, so in that sense, I'm sure that rollo would like him.
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In 18 minutes at X he was 0/2 from 2, 2/2 from the ft line, 1 defensive rebound, 1 turnover, 5 fouls, 1 block, and 2 points.
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But If the 6'8" guy is really only 6'6" then the 6'6" who is really only 6'4 can guard him. That's AC's point. They all do it so it's all relative.
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So Don May and Velvet were only 6'2". Wow!
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In 18 minutes at X he was 0/2 from 2, 2/2 from the ft line, 1 defensive rebound, 1 turnover, 5 fouls, 1 block, and 2 points.
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What a line. Haha. But maybe the 5 fouls are evidence he hates Xavier and was trying to knock someone's head off. In that case, I like him more.
6 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks against marquette this year.
Basically, he is a bigger version of Nate Green. Would be the most physically intimidating presence on Dayton's roster. The dirty work guy who changes the game in ways that don't show in the box score - changing shots, deterring guards from driving to the hole, etc.
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Don May was 6'2 1/2 at Belmont but had a ridiculous vertical. He was a solid 6'4" at UD. He continued to grow late in his teens.
As an aside, whomever we recruit with these three schollies, we need to replace Oliver's rebounding. That's a tall order . Devin had all the prerequites for rebounding, including great anticipation off the board and rim, blocking out, and quick off the floor. With some players, height and rebounding is an oxymoron.
Devin's leadership will be up for grabs also, and I don't see an obvious heir apparent except with the possibility of Kyle Davis or Khari Price.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
Don May was 6'2 1/2 at Belmont but had a ridiculous vertical. He was a solid 6'4" at UD. He continued to grow late in his teens.
As an aside, whomever we recruit with these three schollies, we need to replace Oliver's rebounding. That's a tall order . Devin had all the prerequites for rebounding, including great anticipation off the board and rim, blocking out, and quick off the floor. With some players, height and rebounding is an oxymoron.
Devin's leadership will be up for grabs also, and I don't see an obvious heir apparent except with the possibility of Kyle Davis or Khari Price.
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This is similar (but not quite the same) situation LaSalle experienced this past year. The loss of Galloway and his leadership was huge despite the fact they had three returning starters from the Sweet Sixteen team.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Since Dayton loses a Georgetown transfer and a back up big, maybe pick up a one-year stop gap Georgetown transfer of the 5th year variety who is really big?
http://www.casualhoya.com/2014/4/5/5...hoyas-transfer
Wouldn't be an exciting move as he didn't do a whole lot at Georgetown and has virtually zero offensive ability but he can play defense, block shots and rebound. Had an ACL issue a couple years back that set him back, but he has shown glimpses. Pulled down 10 boards (5 offensive) in limited minutes he got as a result of foul trouble for their starter in a game against Syracuse a couple seasons back.
I'd be okay with it actually as a temporary solution for F/C. Maybe even paired with a power forward transfer who does have to sit out a year.
If Dayton did bring him in for a visit, perhaps his old teammate Vee Sanford could show him around? Maybe Vee has one last assist in him...
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I like the comment at the end of that article: "He's a good kind, and we wish him well." Sounds like just the kind of guy we need to add to next year's mix. Good kid, mature player, solid defender, intimidating presence. Not a world-changer, but a solid addition on a 1-year "rental".
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
...Devin's leadership will be up for grabs also, and I don't see an obvious heir apparent except with the possibility of Kyle Davis or Khari Price.
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Whoever it'll be, it'll need to be someone with a strong work ethic who has the respect of his teammates and can lead by example. I'm not sure Davis (as a Soph who's not a real PG) can lead by example yet. Price would seem to be a good candidate, but his size and his health (tendonitis) might hold him back. I'm thinking Pierre might also be a good candidate, as IMHO he seems to take the game pretty seriously. The rest of the guys (Sibert, Robinson, Scott, Smith, & Pollard) all have some holes to plug before taking-on a role like DMO played for us this past year.
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leadership
Kyle Davis has great court vision and definite leadership qualities, but I agree he may not be ready yet and the team has to buy in first.
Pierre will lead by example for sure, but IMO in a more quiet way.
It's definitely a hole to be filled and will be interesting to see how it evolves.
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Myles did say via a tweet Dayton was his favorite team
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Pollard may be a little undersized but he played maybe his best game of the season against one of the big front line of Stanford. Robinson could probably play the 4 or 5. Pollard/SM/Scott/Robinson have some question marks
Archie could also play small with 3 guards, Pierre and Robinson/Scott/SM
I'd like to take a freshman and bank two scholarships for next year unless a can't miss guy can be had. Better class balance and 3 scholarships would be available for the 2015 class. Seems like Ohio has a strong class of talent and it's the first one after the Elite 8 so that might be able to move the needle
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IMO Kendall played his best offensive game of his Dayton career (so far). However the only thing that slowed Stanford bigs was their own foul trouble. KP has a ways to go on defense, with arguably some great skills to learn with.
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No mention of Dayton for Moses Ayegba...
@AdamZagoria: Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita State.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
IMO Kendall played his best offensive game of his Dayton career (so far). However the only thing that slowed Stanford bigs was their own foul trouble. KP has a ways to go on defense, with arguably some great skills to learn with.
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Pollard is a solid defender on the perimeter, however, as a post defender he struggled all year.
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No mention of Dayton for Moses Ayegba...
@AdamZagoria: Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita State.
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I don't like posting negative comments about players, but honestly, I'll pass on Ayegba, I wasn't impressed with his play at X, although that was the only game that I saw him play, so my opinion isn't very firm at all due to just seeing him play the one game.
I think he played hard and had a good attitude though, so I give him a lot of credit in those departments.
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Just saw that Percy Gibson is transferring. Not saying I think he is the answer or anything like that, just with the Dayton connection figured I'd bring it up.
Percy Gibson transferring
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That's interesting. Is Cornell Mann still there? It's a fact that some guys would rather play a lot on a mediocre team than play sparingly on a Championship level team---which ISU was this season. To each his own.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
That's interesting. Is Cornell Mann still there? It's a fact that some guys would rather play a lot on a mediocre team than play sparingly on a Championship level team---which ISU was this season. To each his own.
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Corn is still with ISU
Or do programs encourage a player to leave to free up a scholarship?
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More news on Cornell transfer Nolan Cressler @NacFlow_3. Dayton made him scholarship offer today. Also has offers from Vanderbilt & Rutgers.
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Bill Beckner @BillBeckner · 2h
More news on Cornell transfer Nolan Cressler @NacFlow_3. Dayton made him scholarship offer today. Also has offers from Vanderbilt & Rutgers.
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He would be a nice pickup. He would have to sit out a year, right? So he would step right in to fill Sibert's shoes.
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He would be a nice pickup. He would have to sit out a year, right? So he would step right in to fill Sibert's shoes.
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Yup... he would have to sit out a year
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Cressler is from Pittsburgh so maybe there is a Western Pa connect with Archie?
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Ryan Anderson just announced he is transferring from BC. He would be a great add for next year and it appears he would have immediate eligibility..
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Ryan Anderson just announced he is transferring from BC. He would be a great add for next year and it appears he would have immediate eligibility..
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He's got great stats, but it appears that he will be a senior next year, so I think he will still have to sit out a year unless he will have graduated before next year. I'm interested no matter what his status is.
He is from the class of 2011.
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More news on Cornell transfer Nolan Cressler @NacFlow_3. Dayton made him scholarship offer today. Also has offers from Vanderbilt & Rutgers.
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Kid is a scorer. I'd be very excited if Dayton landed him. One of the most highly sought transfers on the market right now.
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"It remains unclear where Anderson will land as well as whether he'll have to sit out a season before playing out the last of his eligibility."
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Originally Posted by ud2
I don't like posting negative comments about players, but honestly, I'll pass on Ayegba, I wasn't impressed with his play at X, although that was the only game that I saw him play, so my opinion isn't very firm at all due to just seeing him play the one game.
I think he played hard and had a good attitude though, so I give him a lot of credit in those departments.
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I liked the situation more than the player - big with immediate eligibility. His toughness and defensive ability are somewhat intriguing however. But not worth talking about really if Dayton isn't being mentioned I suppose.
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"...from Elite Eight team Dayton." Has a nice ring to it.
He would be an excellent pickup.
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About half of Maryland's roster decided to transfer today. Pretty light other than that on the transfer front today.
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Faust would be great. Talented, proven 6'6" swingman. Don't know that any of the current staff has recruited any of their guys. The one guy I know Dayton did recruit on the Terps roster Jared Nickens isn't among those leaving.
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Quote from Jaaron Simmons saying he wants to play close to home: http://www.whio.com/news/news/local/...ransfer/nfWqp/
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Dayton not mentioned as a school that has expressed interest according to some guy on twitter.
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NEW INFO: Miami (Ohio), West Virginia, Purdue and Toledo have interest in Houston transfer @J3_Simmons, my source says. @daytonsports
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More news on Cornell transfer Nolan Cressler @NacFlow_3. Dayton made him scholarship offer today. Also has offers from Vanderbilt & Rutgers.
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Looked up Nolan Cressler on you tube and he showed a variety of moves and made several 3 pointers against Brown this past season while scoring 34 points! He was interviewed and looks like a taller version of Marshall Henderson from Ole Miss.
The kid can shoot the eyes out of the basket and would definitely be an asset. Spoke very intelligently, as you would expect coming from a school like Cornell.
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I find it a bit ironic that a kid of his intelligence would be compared to Marshall Henderson. But he is definitely a scorer. He torched Syracuse. Definitely would help replacing Sibert.
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I find it a bit ironic that a kid of his intelligence would be compared to Marshall Henderson. But he is definitely a scorer. He torched Syracuse. Definitely would help replacing Sibert.
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Only made the comparison because they both can light it up when they get hot. I can see why you thought it was a bit ironic. Henderson is a selfish player who UD was able to neutralize and take out of the game when we defeated Ole Miss this past season whereas it is evident that Cressler is unselfish and would put his teammates above himself.
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Not sure we have a shot at him, but Justin Martin at 6'6" would fill Oliver's shoes. He has two classes to complete and then can be a grad student transfer.
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I just can't see anyone transferring from Xavier to Dayton or vice versa even now that they're in different leagues. I think Martin is thinking he can play for Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, etc. But I will say I'd be pretty ticked if I was a Xavier fan. This isn't a kid transferring for more playing time. He's already one of X's best players. He doesn't need to move closer to home to deal with an ill family member. These are understandable reasons. The Dayton fanbase would be pretty upset if one of their own in a similar situation was transferring.
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Not sure we have a shot at him, but Justin Martin at 6'6" would fill Oliver's shoes. He has two classes to complete and then can be a grad student transfer.
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Would not be surprised to see him end up at Arizona.
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There is an interesting rumor that he is transferring to Cincinnati, I can't recall a single instance of a player ever transferring between either of these 2 schools.
He was their 2nd leading scorer this year, he is a good: outside shooter, dribble driver, rebounder, and defender IMO.
IMO, his effort has been inconsistent at times, also his attitude needs improvement at times.
I'm sorry, but I'll pass on Martin, UD doesn't need his attitude and effort problems, he could be a potential team cancer for UD.
If he can get rid of the occasional inconsistent effort and occasional bad attitude, then he could really maximize his potential IMO. I hope he fixes these problems that he has.
I think one of the Daliboa brothers transferred from UD to Wright State.
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Cain Doliboa transferred from Dayton to Wright State. There's not an intense rivalry between Dayton and Wright State and I can see someone who wasn't getting minutes or who wanted more of a starring role at Dayton, deciding they wanted to play at Wright State instead. In Cain's case, there were some issues between father and coach I believe. But I think it would be much more unusual to go from Xavier to Dayton or vice versa or from Xavier to UC or vice versa. These programs are all such a similar level.
I can see commits de-committing from one school and choosing the other - changing their minds before attending - but I just think once you start, it would be unusual to move to a rival/peer program. I'm sure someone can give an example of something similar having happened. I know you never say never. But if Martin went to UC, that would really add salt to the wound.
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There was a gaurd, son of a former Michigan football player, that played at Michigan for 2 seasons (started 1 or 2 of them) when Rich Rodriquez was hired, he quickly noticed a change in the culture that he didn't like and decided to transfer to Ohio State who had recruited him out of HS. Since he transferred w/n the Big 10 he had to pay his way to OSU for all 3 seasons, started both of his 2 eligible seasons and watched his 2 younger brothers follow him to Ohio State to play football.
Zach Boren is the player in question (I think, could have his 1st name mixed up, last name is correct). Only player I can think of that tranferred from 1 side of a heated rivalry to the other.
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Medford, the player you are thinking of is Justin.
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Cain Doliboa transferred from Dayton to Wright State. There's not an intense rivalry between Dayton and Wright State and I can see someone who wasn't getting minutes or who wanted more of a starring role at Dayton, deciding they wanted to play at Wright State instead. In Cain's case, there were some issues between father and coach I believe. But I think it would be much more unusual to go from Xavier to Dayton or vice versa or from Xavier to UC or vice versa. These programs are all such a similar level.
I can see commits de-committing from one school and choosing the other - changing their minds before attending - but I just think once you start, it would be unusual to move to a rival/peer program. I'm sure someone can give an example of something similar having happened. I know you never say never. But if Martin went to UC, that would really add salt to the wound.
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I think also Cain by sitting out a year could play with brother Seth.
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There is an interesting rumor that he is transferring to Cincinnati, I can't recall a single instance of a player ever transferring between either of these 2 schools.
He was their 2nd leading scorer this year, he is a good: outside shooter, dribble driver, rebounder, and defender IMO.
IMO, his effort has been inconsistent at times, also his attitude needs improvement at times.
I'm sorry, but I'll pass on Martin, UD doesn't need his attitude and effort problems, he could be a potential team cancer for UD.
If he can get rid of the occasional inconsistent effort and occasional bad attitude, then he could really maximize his potential IMO. I hope he fixes these problems that he has.
I think one of the Daliboa brothers transferred from UD to Wright State.
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I only caught X a few times this year, but I didn't think Martin was very good at all. He made so many plays that I as a neutral fan (yes, I don't necessarily hate X nor am I obsessed with them like some on this board seem to be) thought, WTF? He seemed like a real bonehead much of the time.
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The knock on Martin is lack of consistency. He can be very good. Other times, he seems disinterested. At least that's what I gather many thought of him.
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The knock on Martin is lack of consistency. He can be very good. Other times, he seems disinterested. At least that's what I gather many thought of him.
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The above post pretty much captures the truth IMO.
My previous post was maybe a little harsh, but Martin IMO has had the problems I referenced, for his entire career at X, he needs to grow up already, he's been with the program for 4 years now, these type of problems should no longer be present, I just really don't like guys that don't give good effort consistently, and I also really don't like guys that have bad attitudes.
I suppose that if Archie feels like he can get the best out of Martin, then I would support adding Martin, maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
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Don't understand why Archie is offering a scholarship to a guar? Even if he did choose Vandy. were good at guards for this next year and in the future I think price and scoochie showed that they can play the point guard this year and sibert/davis/davis should have the 2 guard locked up for this year and in the future. Doesn't make sense we need a big man. with Gavs gone and Scott in trouble
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Don't understand why Archie is offering a scholarship to a guar? Even if he did choose Vandy. were good at guards for this next year and in the future I think price and scoochie showed that they can play the point guard this year and sibert/davis/davis should have the 2 guard locked up for this year and in the future. Doesn't make sense we need a big man. with Gavs gone and Scott in trouble
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Dayton has 3 scholarships available to use. One of their needs is a bigger guard who can cover the 2 and 3. Cressler, Dawkins, Cooke are all in that mold. Dawkins is ideal because he can play right away. We don't have a guy on the roster who gives Archie the flexibility to back up both Sibert and Pierre. Sanford could. Oliver could. Don't have those guys anymore.
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Couple points. The A10 is a guard centric conference. We can always use another guard, and we would be well suited to get a guard that can stretch to the 3 spot. We also have 3 open ships, I am sure we are looking for some more size inside, and hopefully a good wing.
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If he's ready DDavis fills in for Vee no problem. But he's a freshman, and it's likely he isn't ready on day one. We can hope, though.
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There are minutes for D.Davis to earn for sure. Hopefully he can knock down shots. But even if he is ready I would like to see a big physical slashing shooting guard added to the roster who puts pressure on the defense. Sibert can do it all and hopefully he will take it to the rim more now that Sanford isn't there to do it. Pierre does it. Just want one more guy with that ability who can spell either or fill in with that ability if there is an injury.
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04-15-2014, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
There are minutes for D.Davis to earn for sure. Hopefully he can knock down shots. But even if he is ready I would like to see a big physical slashing shooting guard added to the roster who puts pressure on the defense. Sibert can do it all and hopefully he will take it to the rim more now that Sanford isn't there to do it. Pierre does it. Just want one more guy with that ability who can spell either or fill in with that ability if there is an injury.
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They're definitely going to miss Vee big time as he was the only one who could really get to the rim from the perimeter and finish or get into the lane and hit the tear drop. I agree that Sibert can get to the rim but he seems to shy away from the contact. If he can finish better that will be huge. And another 2/3 player would be huge and especially one with a couple years left to bridge the gap once Sibert is gone after next year. But I'll take a one year kid, too.
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04-16-2014, 10:56 AM
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Vee was a rare player in this day and age: a man who could hit the mid-range pull up with uncanny accuracy. He will be missed.
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04-16-2014, 11:04 AM
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Very true. No one has that kind of mid range game anymore. Its so rare, I don't hold out any hope it will be replaced. But I do hope to find someone who drives the ball and finishes.
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04-16-2014, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Very true. No one has that kind of mid range game anymore. Its so rare, I don't hold out any hope it will be replaced. But I do hope to find someone who drives the ball and finishes.
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Extra emphasis on FINISHES.
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04-16-2014, 12:00 PM
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I think Scoochie should be ready next season to drive to the hoop and FINISH. He was pretty good at getting to the rim, but often struggled finishing near the rim. Assuming he puts the time in in the weight room and can add the extra muscle to his frame, he'll be able to finish around the rim much better than he did early in the season. Heck, by the time the tournament came around you could see him more adept at finishing his shots around the rim and handing the contact recieved when taking it down the lane. Give him an offseason and I think he'll be pretty solid in that area. I think Kyle Davis is another kid that can give this team a bit of that. He's already shown that he has the toughness to take on contact, I think he'll be pretty solid driving to the rim.
Darryl Davis will probably need an offseason or two to add the muscle needed to effectively finish around the rim if the reports of his slight build are accurate, I wouldn't count on too much of that next season.
As great as Vee was/is on that floater, he struggled from the perimeter. Perhaps they can't replace exactly what Vee gave this team, but they can replace his production by doing different things better than they did last season (namely the 3 frosh all getting better from the free throw line and behind the arc). A good team/program won't replace part for part what it losses each offseason, but will find production in the makeup of the individual talents and mold them into a similar level of production from one season to the next.
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04-17-2014, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bobber
Vee was a rare player in this day and age: a man who could hit the mid-range pull up with uncanny accuracy. He will be missed.
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BRob with that free throw line floater. Every time he put one of those up, I let a big sigh of relief. Vee was the next best I've seen at a similar shot.
Pollard knocked down a couple 10-15' shots late in the season, including in the tourney. He may be able to step up some in that sense.
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04-17-2014, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pmcmullen
BRob with that free throw line floater. Every time he put one of those up, I let a big sigh of relief. Vee was the next best I've seen at a similar shot.
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Yeah, the difference was mid-range and floaters was specifically Vee's game. You're right on BRob but that guy could make EVERYTHING. Short range, mid range, long range, any and every range.
Anyway, another guy who could really hit the off balanced mid range floater was Ramod Marshall.
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04-21-2014, 03:56 PM
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I just read that Elijah Brown is leaving Butler. He would have to sit out a year. Think there would be any interest by Archie and company?
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04-21-2014, 04:08 PM
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I just read a couple of quotes regarding his release. He expressed thanks to Butler, and Butler wished him well. It all is very polite. However, I didn't see anything about why he is leaving. He's from CA, but his dad is the Cleveland Cavaliers' coach. My first thought was that maybe he was looking to be closer to home. I have no idea if he would be on our radar, but I am curious about why he's leaving.
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04-21-2014, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
I just read a couple of quotes regarding his release. He expressed thanks to Butler, and Butler wished him well. It all is very polite. However, I didn't see anything about why he is leaving. He's from CA, but his dad is the Cleveland Cavaliers' coach. My first thought was that maybe he was looking to be closer to home. I have no idea if he would be on our radar, but I am curious about why he's leaving.
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CA isn't really home. He lived in Westlake, OH during his father's first stint as Cavs coach. He played for St. Ed's a year or 2 in HS.
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04-21-2014, 04:29 PM
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After signing up for Brad Stevens and sitting next to Brandon Miller, especially at the end of all those close losses, I'm not surprised at any player looking for a new home.
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04-21-2014, 04:36 PM
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Yeah, it's been a mass exodus of former Brad Stevens recruits at Butler.
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And a warm welcome to the NBE Butler. Amazing.
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04-21-2014, 04:49 PM
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Sounds like Butler has an inside track on becoming a NBE doormat. They will have a battle on their hands with DePaul.
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