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Old 11-23-2018, 01:36 PM
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Gonna be a longggggg year with 69, 59, 54 points offensively, let’s play ring around the Rosie’s for 25 secs and then shoot a 25 ft shot
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:38 PM
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Tired legs, after 3 games in less than 48 hours. Give ‘em 2-3 days of rest between games, and they’ll be fine.
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Yea but at same time if you said we would play Butler , Virgina and Oklahoma and gave up 64,66 , and 65 I would have been ecstatic about our chances , free throw shooting hurt us in these close game badly . If we can grab the Mississippi state game at home with a week to prepare we could finish non league schedule strong !
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3 games in 3 days for a team with a short bench is brutal. It's not winnable math. But, the only time they'll face a similar schedule is the conference tourney. They can earn an at large birth before March. It's silly to get worked up about tired legs in the Bahamas. With an 8 man rotation, they can still win 12 conference games.
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Old 11-23-2018, 02:39 PM
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Announcers for the Butler game last night were saying they thought UD would finish 2 or 3 in A10. Great PR for the program. Even in the OK game today, announcers were all saying how tough UD is. Growing pains will come and go this year but right now we are light years ahead of where I thought we would be. It’s all good. This is a great group of guys that will keep improving and working hard.
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Given were we were at the end of last season, I am very happy where we are today. We know we can compete at any level (no blowout losses in Atlantis). Come home, correct a few things, finish the rest of the non-con and be READY for A10 action. If they can grow together, stay together mentally, avoid bad losses, I think we will all be surprised come March.

Side question - why no "5" on the jerseys? I thought this would have been Big Steve's (RIP) "senior" season??
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Old 11-23-2018, 03:36 PM
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Too many people do drugs. We were the second least talented team in the field and finished 4th against three of the toughest other 7.
That might be true, but we had less physical talent than every team we faced in the 2014 tourney and made the Elite Eight. Grit and b-ball IQ can take you places. I’m not ready to concede a thing to anyone. We may collapse and have a horrible season, but I’m not writing off the possibility that this team — for a change — exceeds expectations. I like what I’m seeing.

Oh, and I’m not on drugs. :-)

And I get it, Chris. You were delivering the Flyers a compliment ... and maybe throwing a well-deserved dig at Scotty.

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No drugs here.

It’s not unreasonable to be disappointed by this game. It’s not reasonable to compare the three scores and draw a conclusion.

This game could have been won. The defensive counters were good. On offense we showed a lack of poise as the game wore on. Fatigue played a factor but is not why we lost. Missed FT’s and lack of discipline the offensive end hurt. Need a 3rd option to score to consistently show up.

Disappointd, yes. End of the world, no. This team can compete in the A10. Need to grow to be tournament ready.
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Old 11-23-2018, 04:41 PM
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This team will be ready by A10 tourney time even with only eight scholarship players. I expect Cohill and Toppin to be much more ready to contribute which will lead to a more even distribution of minutes the next time this team has to play three games in three days.

They were tired today. I think they will beat Miss. St. and probably lose at Auburn.

Anyone else notice Tulsa looks pretty good? That could be another quality win.
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If you don't like the way the Flyers represented themselves this week, go away from this board and root for some other program. Your a troll. This team is a much improved version of last year's team and I believe that 99.9% of Flyers fans are very pleased with the 4-2 record so far.
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UDSCOTT should stop with the bad vibes. Against Virginia, Middle Ten. scored 52, UD -59 and Wisconsin scored 46. Well played games quite often are in the 50-60 point range. I believe these three teams will be in the top 25 this year, so 1-2 in competitive games is not bad.


In each of these games we were competitive. Last year's team would have lost all three by 20 or thirty points. Barring injuries, this team will improve. The future is bright. I gotta put on some shades.
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Gonna be a longggggg year with 69, 59, 54 points offensively, let’s play ring around the Rosie’s for 25 secs and then shoot a 25 ft shot
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Too many people do drugs. We were the second least talented team in the field and finished 4th against three of the toughest other 7.
I get that this is a compliment, but I think this team has a lot of talent and once a few guys play a couple of handful of games we'll be saying this team is more talented than most teams we face this year.
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If you don't think that was a good showing overall...then you really have no clue.

Could have easily lost the first game and ended up in the SOS killer side of the bracket. Nothing to be disappointed about yesterday, and today...there were things that could have been better. They didn't get blown out in a tournament where many said we were going to get smoked for 3 days. That didn't happen.

Are we better than last year? Much better. And other than the basketball ignorant udscott, everyone else would say the same.
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This team will be ready by A10 tourney time even with only eight scholarship players. I expect Cohill and Toppin to be much more ready to contribute which will lead to a more even distribution of minutes the next time this team has to play three games in three days.

They were tired today. I think they will beat Miss. St. and probably lose at Auburn.

Anyone else notice Tulsa looks pretty good? That could be another quality win.
I certainly think you are right that Toppin and Cohill will be better contributors in March. Because if they aren't we will have the same result by the third game. We definitely need to earn a good seed in the A10 Championship.
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I think Kyle Davis spelled Scoochie. We will need Cohill.

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Second, anyone else wondering if redshirting Frankie might not be wise? Perhaps he isnt strong enough... but days Josc C is off we going to need another 6 eight guy
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I am not displeased with where we are right now, but I would be lying to say that I am not disappointed about today's loss. We started the game very flat and as a result we were in a big hole before we opened our eyes. Impressive comeback but we just ran out of gas. Its too bad because this game was very winnable. The fact that each game was earlier than the previous one really gave us little time to recover.

We need somebody to step up and be the guy that can be counted on to hit a three when we need it. Crutcher is the closest we have to that but he is not enough. Either Matos or Davis needs to become that guy.

Even though we have some guys like udscott and maddog07 that are here just to complain about everything, I would much rather be here than sites like the Butler complainfest. Just ignore these guys and eventually they will go away because they are only here for some kind of reaction. I chose a long time ago to never respond to the ridiculous posts.
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A few points about Frankie:
1) He’s not built like Josh, but more like Ryan. As such, he wouldn’t be much help in spelling Josh down low.
2) As the 4th guy off the bench, he wouldn’t be likely to score more than 2-3 points a game. Against the competition we saw these past 3 days, he probably wouldn’t have made 10 points’ difference, total.
3) Given the 2 points above, it probably isn’t worth using a year of his eligibility by throwing him into this year’s 3/4 mix with Mikesell, Landers, and Matos.
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I stopped counting at six Oklahoma 4 Star recruits and a super transfer from Maine. Virginia has similar talent. Biggest takeaway from me is just how much bigger these players are from the Power 5. We do not have that kind of size yet. Grant coached in the SEC. He has seen it firsthand and will keep adding size and beef at all positions.

Yeah UVA and OKLA are quite talented but they had some big boys to go with that talent. Wisconsin does too. These teams are not throwing 6-4 PF types ala Trey Landers out there. Love Trey but he and Mikesell are trying to play inside with the redwoods.
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A few points about Frankie:
1) He’s not built like Josh, but more like Ryan. As such, he wouldn’t be much help in spelling Josh down low.
2) As the 4th guy off the bench, he wouldn’t be likely to score more than 2-3 points a game. Against the competition we saw these past 3 days, he probably wouldn’t have made 10 points’ difference, total.
3) Given the 2 points above, it probably isn’t worth using a year of his eligibility by throwing him into this year’s 3/4 mix with Mikesell, Landers, and Matos.
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Second, anyone else wondering if redshirting Frankie might not be wise? Perhaps he isnt strong enough... but days Josc C is off we going to need another 6 eight guy
I see your point with a short bench, but the answer is NO. A big no.

Face it, no one is looking for big things this season. Most are looking to next year for the chance at bigger things. Having Frankie available on the bench this season will not be the difference in winning any games. Nothing against him, but him being 17 years old and not having a top 6 or 7 role on this team does nothing for him but chew up a year.

The big difference next season is the returners and the "then available" players. You have 4 guys on the bench that are fighting for available minutes next season. In their sophomore season, we will have lost Trey, Ryan, and Matos. All of those guy will most likely have a significant role in there sophomore seasons. The cupboard is pretty well stocked to handle the roster turnover in the next 2-3 seasons.
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And keep in mind Oklahoma beat Florida 65-60 in game one. We were within six until our last shots missed and deliberate fouls/foul shots doubled the ending margin.

Florida is not chopped liver. How many Top100 kids ya think the Gators have? Oklahoma looks to be pretty good.

If we played Virginia and Oklahoma competitively equal or better than Wisconsin and Florida did respectively, then tossed in a Butler win for grins, we did WAAAAY better than our pay scale suggested we would.

Three days ago fans were praying we could beat MTSU by 1 in the losers bracket, bookended by a couple pastings. We ended up with a better win and two infinitely better (more competitive) losses -- playing 8 undersized guys and one senior. Half the team - Mikesell, Matos, Cohill, and Toppin - weren't even available last year.

Can we carry this improvement back to Dayton? Maybe or maybe not. But for three days in Atlantis the boys gave about everything they had to give. Mistakes are part of that equation - the other teams didn't sit on their hands.
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I have both on ignore and life is good. Only time I see their posts is when someone quotes them, and that only confirms that for me I did the right thing.
I think you hit “Reply” to the wrong post. I didn’t say anything about any Priders. Just broke-down a few reasons for wanting Frankie to stay red-shirted this season, if possible.
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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! STOP THE PRESSES!

Apparently Brenda Snipes of the Broward County Board of Elections was working the scoreboard at today's game. After a full recount, it appears that the Flyers BEAT Oklahoma! At least, that what Bleacher Report says on my phone . . .

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...could any of that be due to the competition we faced?

2017-18/18-19 Pomeroy defensive rankings

Butler: 45/47
Virginia: 1/2
Oklahoma: 85/38

OBTW, Dayton: 238/111 (offense: 109/85)

I’d love to see more points on the board, and statistically, our offense is improved over last year. However, let’s not forget we went toe to toe with some of the stingiest defenses we’ve faced.

EDIT: Butler just held the Gators (41/51 offense) to 54 points. Oklahoma held the Gators to 60 a couple of days ago.

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We played better than expected, but I didn't have as huge expectations as most on this board. Overall, our defense was very good, but I'm very disappointed in our execution with half-court offense. It was downright ugly against Oklahoma - how many times did we have to chuck up a poor shot as the shotclock was expiring in the tournament? I bet at least 10.

We need to get the ball inside to Josh more - he only had 5 yesterday. Credit Oklahoma's defense there.

I loved our 1-3-1 defense. It really threw Oklahoma for a loop. Hope to see that again soon. We should have stayed in it all game.

Crutcher and Trey are awesome.

Stay grounded. We lost 2 games so it wasn't a success. However, the potential is there and I feel pretty good competing at a high level is a down Atlantic 10.
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We went 1-1 versus projected 7-10 seeds (Butler and Oklahoma) and lost to a 1-2 seed. Btw, UVA is #3, Butler #29, and Oklahoma #42. Butler was one of Dayton's top 5 or 6 wins the last 5 years!

Dayton only has 8 A wins (top 50 kenpom wins adjusted for location) the last 5 seasons including this year (from 2015 onward). They are 2019 Butler neutral #29; 2017 were @Alabama #56 and @Rhody #34; 2016 were Iowa neutral #23, @Vandy #25; @Rhody #82 (barely qualifies as top 50 with location adjustment); 2015 @VCU #30, Providence neutral #27.

Archie was 7-12 or 37% win-rate in A games in 2015, 2016, and 2017.
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This week was all good learning for a young team that will get things figured out. Lots of great tape for the film room. Even with only eight guys, Grant has dudes to plug and play. I like Dayton doesn't have to run someone out there for 4-5 min a half and pray the other team doesn't go on a huge run. Once they figure out 1-2 sets they can rely on to get a good shot whenever they want, they'll be able to counter some of those runs (hint: one of those involves Josh post-up off a cross-screen). The other might be Crutcher side PNR with Obi or Trey.
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Poor free throw shooting and missed shots at the bucket are indicators of shot legs. Like the grit that this years group plays with. I'm cautiously optimistic. Shots weren't falling down the stretch and OU forced the guys to settle for jump shots. Flyers need a Seibert or Scooch to step up and drop those daggers when needed. Good news is that the guys got a good look at, and competed with, very stiff competition. That will pay off this winter in league.

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some of it was tired legs but Oklahoma did a good job on their interior defense. Put a Cooke, Marshall, Roberts, Siebert, Stanley or even a Baby D on this team and we probably win both of those games

The biggest offensive issue in the tourney is that Crutcher has no help on the perimeter. Jordan Davis really needs to step up his game. The talent is there for him to be the best perimeter scorer on the team

Disagree with Chris on the talent issue. I don't think we were out talented in any of those games, undersized or not I felt like we were right there with those teams for most of the game

Jordan steps up and Matos and Cohill develop some offensively and the offense is fine
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I did not see the tournament in person. I agree strongly with Chris about talent levels.
Top ten teams have better talent and are deeper. They have more NBA prospects. The star rating system has flaws, but when you see prospects in high school, it is very easy to identify the top talent.

The Cleveland Cavs are nowhere close to the same team without Lebrun James. There are talent disparities and they make a difference.

For teams with less talent to win, they have to play close to a perfect game and catch some breaks along the way. UD had grit, but in both games tired down the stretch.
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Christian James and Bieniemy were a 3 stars, neither of those teams had McDs AAs

more talent yes but they weren't Duke or Kansas
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I said the star rating system is not perfect. College recruiters don’t use the star system, but they can recognize top talent.

UD had no chance to recruit some of the players who played for Virginia and Oklahoma
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I stopped counting at six Oklahoma 4 Star recruits and a super transfer from Maine. Virginia has similar talent. Biggest takeaway from me is just how much bigger these players are from the Power 5. We do not have that kind of size yet. Grant coached in the SEC. He has seen it firsthand and will keep adding size and beef at all positions.

Yeah UVA and OKLA are quite talented but they had some big boys to go with that talent. Wisconsin does too. These teams are not throwing 6-4 PF types ala Trey Landers out there. Love Trey but he and Mikesell are trying to play inside with the redwoods.
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I said the star rating system is not perfect. College recruiters don’t use the star system, but they can recognize top talent.

UD had no chance to recruit some of the players who played for Virginia and Oklahoma
agree with that but weren't out talented out of the building.

3 or 4 more made threes in those two losses and maybe we win.

I'm not asking for Shawn Haughn against St Louis, we get a little more help for Crutcher and we're there
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agree with that but weren't out talented out of the building.

3 or 4 more made threes in those two losses and maybe we win.

I'm not asking for Shawn Haughn against St Louis, we get a little more help for Crutcher and we're there
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agree with that but weren't out talented out of the building.

3 or 4 more made threes in those two losses and maybe we win.

I'm not asking for Shawn Haughn against St Louis, we get a little more help for Crutcher and we're there
Do the other teams get to make 3-4 more threes they missed too? Because if so we may be 0-3 with two blowout losses. We shot 50%+ vs Virginia. Are we really getting THAT greedy now and expect 65%FG efficiency against the nation's top defensive unit?

Trae Young was not out there this time, but both Virginia and Oklahoma still had distinctly more talent. Not just a smidge. If it's a smidge, anything short of an A10 season title and NCAA 2nd Rd appearance by this Flyer team is underachieving.

These teams had taller players with as much athleticism, made fewer fundamental mistakes, mastered detailed concepts better, had more complimentary parts, were capable of going deeper if needed, put us at the foul line less, and did not suffer 10min scoring droughts.

Were we OK or UVA fans, we would be saying, "man why do we let smaller less athletic and less experienced teams continue to hangcaround? We should have pounded them into oblivion with our size and Power5 toughness."
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Do the other teams get to make 3-4 more threes they missed too? Because if so we may be 0-3 with two blowout losses. We shot 50%+ vs Virginia. Are we really getting THAT greedy now and expect 65%FG efficiency against the nation's top defensive unit?

Trae Young was not out there this time, but both Virginia and Oklahoma still had distinctly more talent. Not just a smidge. If it's a smidge, anything short of an A10 season title and NCAA 2nd Rd appearance by this Flyer team is underachieving.

These teams had taller players with as much athleticism, made fewer fundamental mistakes, mastered detailed concepts better, had more complimentary parts, were capable of going deeper if needed, put us at the foul line less, and did not suffer 10min scoring droughts.

Were we OK or UVA fans, we would be saying, "man why do we let smaller less athletic and less experienced teams continue to hangcaround? We should have pounded them into oblivion with our size and Power5 toughness."
I fully admitted they had more talent but they certainly didn't out talent us. This wasn't Florida or Kansas in the NCAA tourney where their talent was just leagues better than ours. The beauty of college basketball is that talent doesn't always win out.

Hoping to make more than 5 threes in a game isn't getting greedy. A semblance of an offense outside Josh and Obi near the basket isn't greedy, it's well within this teams capability. That's not asking for heaven and earth

Jordan Davis is capable of giving us more than he's shown far. Maybe you don't feel that way. I'm confident Cohill will up his offense production going forward. Maybe that's being greedy and his high school production and pedigree are a mirage

We suffered those scoring droughts against Oklahoma because they took away Josh and our interior game and we had nothing besides Crutcher than provide offense from outside 10 feet

I'm not asking for the Warriors or the Rockets but something and someone beyond Crutcher hitting beyond 15 feet

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I have read am many of the messages as I can, and I think this experience can help us a lot..we just played 3 of the toughest teams in the nation, and we still have Miss St on our schedule.. this is an out of conference schedule that couold reap rewards when it comes Atlantic ten time... how?

becasuse, we just stood toe to toe with Butler, Virginia and Oklahoma.. we actually could of won them with a little more.. how we react from this will be interesting..
we know this, there is no team in the conference better than these teams we are playing right now... Cohill I feel will begin coming together, much like Trey did..Jordan will get the stroke back... this season will be interesting.. and fun...
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Do the other teams get to make 3-4 more threes they missed too? Because if so we may be 0-3 with two blowout losses. We shot 50%+ vs Virginia. Are we really getting THAT greedy now and expect 65%FG efficiency against the nation's top defensive unit?

Trae Young was not out there this time, but both Virginia and Oklahoma still had distinctly more talent. Not just a smidge. If it's a smidge, anything short of an A10 season title and NCAA 2nd Rd appearance by this Flyer team is underachieving.

These teams had taller players with as much athleticism, made fewer fundamental mistakes, mastered detailed concepts better, had more complimentary parts, were capable of going deeper if needed, put us at the foul line less, and did not suffer 10min scoring droughts.

Were we OK or UVA fans, we would be saying, "man why do we let smaller less athletic and less experienced teams continue to hangcaround? We should have pounded them into oblivion with our size and Power5 toughness."
Agree. We don’t have the same talent level. Don’t confuse grit and desire with talent. We have pieces. To date under AG, each class is getting bigger and more athletic.
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Trae Young was not out there this time, but both Virginia and Oklahoma still had distinctly more talent. Not just a smidge. If it's a smidge, anything short of an A10 season title and NCAA 2nd Rd appearance by this Flyer team is underachieving.

These teams had taller players with as much athleticism, made fewer fundamental mistakes, mastered detailed concepts better, had more complimentary parts, were capable of going deeper if needed, put us at the foul line less, and did not suffer 10min scoring droughts.

Were we OK or UVA fans, we would be saying, "man why do we let smaller less athletic and less experienced teams continue to hangcaround? We should have pounded them into oblivion with our size and Power5 toughness."
If Dayton started Brady Manek (the mophead), I'm 100% sure you would say "we end up with a gawky, no-confidence, goofball starting at PF. We can't compete with P5 conference talent when we have to start a guy like that."

If Dayton started a guard who, as a junior last year, had an A/TO ratio of UNDER 1:1 (45/47), I guarantee we'd be hearing how "our guards just aren't good enough to compete except against lower-level competition."

If we had to brag about the fact that our "high powered" transfer is a 5'11" PG from Maine who scored 17 PPG last year against Maine-like competition, who is billed as being a "prolific free throw shooter" (seriously, that's 75% of what they say about him is FT shooting), and who had an A/TO ratio of 0.84 (!!!) last year, then plenty of people would be on here saying how we just picked up a ball hog who only ended up at UD because he's too short to play anywhere else.

Meanwhile, if we had Oklahoma's team, and lost to UD, we would all bemoan how Dayton gets a guy like Cunningham who is so strong in the post, how they get a beast like Landers who knows how to use his body in the post and can finish around the rim, how they've got a freshman who looks like he might go pro in a year (I'm not saying that, that's what we would be saying about about Obi if he was wearing the other team's uniform), etc.

Look, I'm not saying Oklahoma does not have talent. They do. A lot. Their center is pretty darn good and their guards were tough. But c'mon, we missed ~14 shots in a row and were still only down 4? We shot 34% and 29% respectively in the 1st and 2nd halves and were with them to the end? I'm just saying, the grass is always greener, that's all.

Brian Gregory always had plenty of physical talent. Color me unimpressed.
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Brady Manek was a Top-100 recruit.
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The 14 missed shots in a row I attribute about 93% to tired legs. That happens when you have eight scholarship players playing three games in 64 hours (a plan I agree with even though it probably cost them this game).

Funny, our previous loss to Oklahoma was 6(+1) scholarship players playing their third game in five days.

That said, this team needs to figure out how to make some 3s. Three guys I'm expecting to do that haven't been doing it so far, and especially in the Bahamas.

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Brady Manek was a Top-100 recruit.
...and Crutcher was not in the top 500! It just goes to show how you cannot measure heart and desire on the court. Crutcher has both.
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Brady Manek was a Top-100 recruit.
That's fine, and I'm sure he's going to be a fine player. He averaged 10/5 as a freshman shooting largely 3's, with Trae Young drawing the attention and dishing to him to make shots. He's also 6'9" / 220 (??) and shooting 25% from 3 this year, he's a career 60% FT shooter, and against the only decent teams on the schedule so far this year he's scored 6, 3, and 3 points.

If Manek was on our team, the refrain would be "he's gained only 10 pounds since high school, he was rated #96 by Scout but there's a reason he was rated far outside the top 100 by everyone else and only 3 stars by ESPN + Rivals and ended up at Dayton and not Kansas or OU." And yes, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

To pick someone at random, Trey Landers was rated the #40 SG by 247 and #35 by ESPN. Manek was rated the #24 PF by 247 and #30 by ESPN. Both were 1st team all-state in HS. Yet we are going to fawn over the superior talent of Manek?? I say neh.

I really think the uniform is driving a lot more of the perception than any significant difference in talent.
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The 14 missed shots in a row I attribute about 93% to tired legs. That happens when you have eight scholarship players playing three games in 64 hours (a plan I agree with even though it probably cost them this game).

Funny, our previous loss to Oklahoma was 6(+1) scholarship players playing their third game in five days.

That said, this team needs to figure out how to make some 3s. Three guys I'm expecting to do that haven't been doing it so far, and especially in the Bahamas.
It was definitely good to see Davis find his shot again, though......The OK game reminded me so much of the NCAA game against OK a few years ago except this time UD lost it early as in the 15 minute mark of the 2nd half versus the 8-9 minute mark a few years ago.

OK just decided to up the ante on their defensive pressure a few day ago and fought thru every screen/pick we set and just kept pushing the UD half-court offense further away from the bucket..Crutcher had to be exhausted because he normally would have gotten to the bucket more and tried to create versus standing out top....
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I really think the uniform is driving a lot more of the perception than any significant difference in talent.
It's not the uniform. It's the wins and losses. Results matter more than 'what if' scenarios of made baskets that weren't made.

If we played Butler 10 times I don't think we win 5. Maybe 2-3. Atlantis was one of those 3. If we played Virginia 10 times I think we lose all 10. Some might be close. Many would be blowouts.
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It's not the uniform. It's the wins and losses. Results matter more than 'what if' scenarios of made baskets that weren't made.

If we played Butler 10 times I don't think we win 5. Maybe 2-3. Atlantis was one of those 3. If we played Virginia 10 times I think we lose all 10. Some might be close. Many would be blowouts.
I notice you have no actual rebuttals of the points I've made.

Was anyone comparing the talent at UD to the talent at the #4 team in the country that went 17-1 in the ACC last year? If I gave that impression, my mistake. Virginia has more talent than us. Period.

However, Butler (2018-2019 version) and Oklahoma (2018-2019 version) is a real conversation to be had. And I think if you want to say they're miles and miles ahead of us on talent, well, that's your opinion. Do they have better talent? Eh, marginally, on the depth of the bench this year when talking about Oklahoma for sure.

Butler had that junior guard, Baldwin, who is a stud, and we have no one like that. But he's also a career 34% 3 point shooter, with an A/TO ratio last year of 1.25. The rest of the roster is largely unimpressive.

In descending order of minutes played on the season, down to 10 MPG, here's the rest of the stud talent we can't possibly compete with:

-Paul Jorgensen: also had 18 points, and played 2 years at George Washington before transferring to Butler. His best non-GW scholarship offer out of HS was Bucknell. We can't recruit against GW and Bucknell??

-Sean McDermott: 18 points against us, basically unrecruited out of HS. No other offers listed on ESPN.

-Joey Brunk was very highly recruited. He also played 15 minutes and got 3 points against the UD Pipsqueaks. He's averaging 9.5 PPG. Maybe he didn't do so well because he was being guarded by Cunningham, who had similar scholarship offers out of HS and is 2 years older.

-Henry Baddley scored 8 against us, and had offers from no one but Butler. ESPN listed him as the 61st best guard in his class.

-Aaron Thompson scored 0 against us, and had offers from Pitt and Butler. Yippie.

-Nate Fowler had 6 against us, and had offers from Vandy and Harvard.

FWIW, Jordan Davis had offers from Butler, Cincinnati, Miami FL, Kansas St., _avier, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Pitt.

Oklahoma: not that different (but to be clear, they DO have more talent). They've got more talent than Butler and Dayton, at least measured by the recruiting services. But for the most part these guys had offers from North Texas, an A10 school, and Oklahoma. Or none but Oklahoma. Oklahoma has maybe 1 or 2 marginal guys who were more highly recruited, and we offset that with a guy like Trey who is stronger and playing overall team defense.

Yes, many players for UD (like Mikesell) also had no other offers out of HS, I'm sure because he made it clear he was going to UD. But you act like we're bringing the YMCA league champions to the NBA finals. Butler ain't that good.

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Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
It's not the uniform. It's the wins and losses. Results matter more than 'what if' scenarios of made baskets that weren't made.

If we played Butler 10 times I don't think we win 5. Maybe 2-3. Atlantis was one of those 3. If we played Virginia 10 times I think we lose all 10. Some might be close. Many would be blowouts.
Depends on the location of the games. Neutral according to the available analytics, Dayton beats Butler 2-3 out of 10 and beats UVA 1-2 out of 10. At Dayton, it would be more like 4-5 out of 10 versus Butler and 3 out of 10 versus UVA.

The eye-test, attending all 3 Dayton games and many others down like the FL/Butler match-up in the Bahamas, I would say UVA and Wisconsin were clearly tier 1 having 1-2 players at a different level than Dayton. On the other side, Stanford and Middle Tenn St. looked the worst by far in terms of talent. In the middle were FL, OK, Dayton, and Butler (honestly probably in that order). So for me talent rankings would be: (1) UVA; (2) Wisconsin; (3) FL; (4) OK; (5) Dayton; (6) Butler; (7) Stanford; and (8) MTSU.

Finally, match-ups matter. I think Dayton match-ups best with teams like Butler and UVA who don't have athletic bigs. Dayton likely struggles more versus teams like OK and FL whose bigs were as skilled as Dayton's but taller and stronger. We sometimes underestimate match-ups. Even though they have Happ, I think Dayton would have a better chance versus Wisconsin than OK.

Dayton had enough talent to beat even UVA, but definitely Oklahoma. Dayton is still a young team so I am totally ok with 1-1 versus likely 7-10 NCAA seeds (Butler and OK) and 0-1 versus a 1-2 seed. These type of results would lead to a NCAA bid if Dayton and a ton of top 50 games.
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There is no way in the the world Dayton beats Virginia 3 times out of 10 at UD Arena. No way no how. Virginia practically runs the table -- home and away -- in the ACC. The Flyers played their absolute best vs Virginia while Virginia played average, and we still lost on a neutral court. If we played Virginia 50 more times I dont think we'd score 60pts but maybe 5 times.

Its not just the talent difference. Its the personnel fitting the system. Virginia is long and lanky. They box out and get offensive rebounds. They defend without fouling. Tony Bennett didn't just recruit the best available kid he could find. He recruited a kid that was suited perfectly for his system -- long, athletic, good ball skills, doesn't view defense as a burden, doesn't beat himself with mental errors, takes pride in the fundamentals, etc. These are all trade skills that are as much a skill as being able to shoot 40% from the arc.

When you play Virginia, you aren't being asked to beat 5 guys. You are being asked to beat Virginia. They are a team that in some ways is greater than the sum of the parts. But its not by accident. Its completely by design. They beat Duke and UNC on a regular basis despite having less talent than both squads -- because they are a better team.

Virginia is a much better team than we are. They also happen to have more talent. But the first part is the most important part. If the difference between us a Virginia was not all that pronounced, we'd be nationally ranked right now and would have beaten Oklahoma by 10.

We didnt. Does that mean we can't beat Miss. State? Of course not. Any team can beat anyone else on a given night. But we're talking big picture 30,000 foot stuff.
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There is no way in the the world Dayton beats Virginia 3 times out of 10 at UD Arena.
I'd give it a 10% chance of happening.
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Virginia is a much better team than we are. They also happen to have more talent. But the first part is the most important part.

Wait, so talent isn't all that important when it's UVA, but when it's Oklahoma we can't win more than ~2 in 10 because the recruiting services say we don't have the Jimmy's and Joe's?

To be clear, I don't know that we beat UVA more than 1 in 10 if 5 are at UD Arena, because to be fair they're pretty darn good as a team. But UVA hasn't beaten anyone in the ACC yet this year. Plenty of preseason top 5 teams end up outside the top 25. Last year's UVA team I don't think we beat more than 1 in 50 if all 50 we're at home.


EDIT: all I'm saying, and you seem to be agreeing now, is that I agree that Oklahoma has more talent than us, but not so much that it matters a great deal. I would rather be UVA with great talent and a great team dynamic. But with our level of talent (which is pretty good by the way) and a great team dynamic, we can beat teams up to the top 10 pretty regularly. We should aspire to great team dynamic and not worry so much about the 9 teams we don't have much of a chance to beat outside of a really lucky game.

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UVA doesn't have trouble with the ACC. It's the America East that gives them trouble.
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In Oklahoma's case, I think there #1 asset is their coach... Lon Kruger always makes in game adjustments that seem to work.... It is easy to just say we ran out of gas, but they changed how they were defending us and we had a lot more trouble scoring.... not an accident IMHO....
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There is no way in the the world Dayton beats Virginia 3 times out of 10 at UD Arena. No way no how. Virginia practically runs the table -- home and away -- in the ACC. The Flyers played their absolute best vs Virginia while Virginia played average, and we still lost on a neutral court. If we played Virginia 50 more times I dont think we'd score 60pts but maybe 5 times.

Its not just the talent difference. Its the personnel fitting the system. Virginia is long and lanky. They box out and get offensive rebounds. They defend without fouling. Tony Bennett didn't just recruit the best available kid he could find. He recruited a kid that was suited perfectly for his system -- long, athletic, good ball skills, doesn't view defense as a burden, doesn't beat himself with mental errors, takes pride in the fundamentals, etc. These are all trade skills that are as much a skill as being able to shoot 40% from the arc.

When you play Virginia, you aren't being asked to beat 5 guys. You are being asked to beat Virginia. They are a team that in some ways is greater than the sum of the parts. But its not by accident. Its completely by design. They beat Duke and UNC on a regular basis despite having less talent than both squads -- because they are a better team.

Virginia is a much better team than we are. They also happen to have more talent. But the first part is the most important part. If the difference between us a Virginia was not all that pronounced, we'd be nationally ranked right now and would have beaten Oklahoma by 10.

We didnt. Does that mean we can't beat Miss. State? Of course not. Any team can beat anyone else on a given night. But we're talking big picture 30,000 foot stuff.
The super-team UVA who runs the ACC table is only 7-7 over the past 6 years in away games versus teams ranked 50-100 in kenpom! (This is Dayton's profile). Despite this less than stellar .500 record, they were ranked on average #5 in the nation during those 6 years with a high of #2 and a low of #12. They lost to GW, Green Bay, VA Tech, GA Tech, FL St., Pitt, and Syracuse. They beat NC St., ND, Clemson, Syracuse, Ohio State, Cal, and Wake Forest. It is incredibly tough to win away games versus top 100 competition, even teams ranked 50-100 in college basketball.
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The super-team UVA who runs the ACC table is only 7-7 over the past 6 years in away games versus teams ranked 50-100 in kenpom! (This is Dayton's profile). Despite this less than stellar .500 record, they were ranked on average #5 in the nation during those 6 years with a high of #2 and a low of #12. They lost to GW, Green Bay, VA Tech, GA Tech, FL St., Pitt, and Syracuse. They beat NC St., ND, Clemson, Syracuse, Ohio State, Cal, and Wake Forest. It is incredibly tough to win away games versus top 100 competition, even teams ranked 50-100 in college basketball.
I think the biggest fault of RPI is that it did not weight a road win as heavily as it should have and the biggest fault of the committee has been weighting home victories in conference too heavily.
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I'm convinced cohill is highly overrated after the crunch time boot he pulled. Hope he proves me wrong, but a 4-star kid? Absolutely no freaking way.

Oh, and what kind of D1 team shoots 38% from the charity line? We need shooters, badly!
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I'm convinced cohill is highly overrated after the crunch time boot he pulled. Hope he proves me wrong, but a 4-star kid? Absolutely no freaking way.

Oh, and what kind of D1 team shoots 38% from the charity line? We need shooters, badly!
LOL, he's played 7 games ha
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We need those December cupcake games to get Cohill and Davis back on track
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LOL, he's played 7 games ha
Then on to the next question, why the heck was he in at that point in a big game? Either way, let's see how the season plays out. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. Now, let's see the evidence.
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Then on to the next question, why the heck was he in at that point in a big game? Either way, let's see how the season plays out. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. Now, let's see the evidence.
You’re wrong and I’m continually amazed by some of the knee-jerk reactions from so-called Flyer fans. He’s a freshman that’s played 7 D1 college games and you’re calling him a disappointment. Unbelievable
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I'm convinced cohill is highly overrated after the crunch time boot he pulled. Hope he proves me wrong, but a 4-star kid? Absolutely no freaking way.
If that's the body of work you need to see to, I have some land to sell you.
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We need those December cupcake games to get Cohill and Davis back on track
Perhaps we can find someone other than Crutcher that can create their own shot at the same time....
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Cohill doesn't look comfortable at times out there to me. Having a good game shooting the ball I think would do wonders for his confidence
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No- we're not a top 25 team- yet...

but we all can see incremental improvement from last season. No team this year has dominated us- we just need more experience and maybe a shooter (not discounting he's not already on the team). We are not that far away. Now if we cannot kick some A-10 butt I'll join some of you in the glass half empty view.
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You’re wrong and I’m continually amazed by some of the knee-jerk reactions from so-called Flyer fans. He’s a freshman that’s played 7 D1 college games and you’re calling him a disappointment. Unbelievable
What’s wrong with speaking the truth ?? He has played 7 D1 games and has been disappointing
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Scott, I hate to agree with you, lol, but he hasn't impressed me yet. Period, and I'll eat any criticism to this point for that comment, and gladly any crow if he proves me wrong. I'm simply not seeing it yet.

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You’re such an idiot. The only time you surface on UDP is after a loss with your predictably stupid and negative comments. Does it make you feel better about your own miserable existence to denigrate an 18 year old kid because he’s not living up to your unreasonable expectations? Your lack of basketball knowledge is truly astounding.
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Scott, I hate to agree with you, lol, but he hasn't impressed me yet. Period, and I'll eat any criticism to this point for that comment, and gladly any crow if he proves me wrong. I'm simply not seeing it yet.
I'm so looking forward to bringing this post back up time and again over the next year and a half. By the time he is a Junior I'll be tired of bringing it back up so you'll be spared from that atleast.

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The last 17 years under BG, Archie, and AG, the 2018-2019 offense is #9 with 8 offenses better and 8 offenses worse (kenpom rankings).

Archie was 3-12 his first two seasons versus kenpom A teams (top 50 location adjusted); AG is 1-6 on pace for 2-12. Pretty indistinguishable....
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I'm convinced cohill is highly overrated after the crunch time boot he pulled. Hope he proves me wrong, but a 4-star kid? Absolutely no freaking way.

Oh, and what kind of D1 team shoots 38% from the charity line? We need shooters, badly!
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You’re such an idiot. The only time you surface on UDP is after a loss with your predictably stupid and negative comments. Does it make you feel better about your own miserable existence to denigrate an 18 year old kid because he’s not living up to your unreasonable expectations? Your lack of basketball knowledge is truly astounding.
Your full of it, I never started the subject all I said was speaking the truth is allowed, and the truth is his performance so far has not been good
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I hope a couple of you guys watched the IU/Duke game. The IU all-world lottery pick frosh for IU, Romeo Langford, looked terrible, and at times like a deer in headlights. It happens to frosh. Heck it even happens to juniors, see Trey Landers last night.
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Give Cohill more PT now

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I'm convinced cohill is highly overrated after the crunch time boot he pulled. Hope he proves me wrong, but a 4-star kid? Absolutely no freaking way.

Oh, and what kind of D1 team shoots 38% from the charity line? We need shooters, badly!
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Cohill doesn't look comfortable at times out there to me. Having a good game shooting the ball I think would do wonders for his confidence
Cohill needs more PT, and he needs it NOW. 83 minutes so far this season and Cohill has the second best +/- on the team behind Mikesell. He was also second best +/- in his limited time last night. I have always felt this stat does not lie and is one of the best indicators of how a player contributes over the long haul. Defensively the kid gets it, give him more playing time, taking 5 minutes per game from both Davis and Crutcher to keep them fresh, and see what happens offensively. I think we will all see why AG was so happy with this recruit.

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R u serious ? He scored 20 the previous game and 16 before that, Cohill a 4 star recruit has performed way below expectations, once again the initial thread guy was just saying so far, I love the flyers more than u will ever know, I did not speak the whole way home last night I was so mad, but u people need to quit giving out participation ribbons
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R u serious ? He scored 20 the previous game and 16 before that, Cohill a 4 star recruit has performed way below expectations, once again the initial thread guy was just saying so far, I love the flyers more than u will ever know, I did not speak the whole way home last night I was so mad, but u people need to quit giving out participation ribbons
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I assume the two games your referencing based on points scored, and also assume you mean Crutcher, were the Butler game with 20 and the game before against IPFW where he actually scored 18 not 16. Crutch played 32 and 34 minutes in these two games. In our 3 losses since, he has played 37, 39 and 40 minutes and scored 11, 14, and 11 on tired legs. I love Crutcher, but 5 minutes less per game may pay great dividends both in depth and fresher legs come March.
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We need much more production out of our two-guard position. When these teams pack it in, as they did last night, we need shooters. Jordan Davis is in a complete funk, and quite frankly, Cohill has not demonstrated even an inkling of being able to knock down outside shots. I am one of Jordan's biggest supporters, but boy, he is in in a terrible shooting slump, in many cases barely drawing iron. I would be tempted to move either Trey or Mikesell into the 2-slot and let Obi start alongside Cunningham.
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I assume the two games your referencing based on points scored, and also assume you mean Crutcher, were the Butler game with 20 and the game before against IPFW where he actually scored 18 not 16. Crutch played 32 and 34 minutes in these two games. In our 3 losses since, he has played 37, 39 and 40 minutes and scored 11, 14, and 11 on tired legs. I love Crutcher, but 5 minutes less per game may pay great dividends both in depth and fresher legs come March.
no I'm talking the guy from IU, Langford
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Cohill needs more PT, and he needs it NOW. 83 minutes so far this season and Cohill has the second best +/- on the team behind Mikesell. He was also second best +/- in his limited time last night. I have always felt this stat does not lie and is one of the best indicators of how a player contributes over the long haul. Defensively the kid gets it, give him more playing time, taking 5 minutes per game from both Davis and Crutcher to keep them fresh, and see what happens offensively. I think we will all see why AG was so happy with this recruit.

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u seem like a very knowledgeable and educated man, but stats do LIE, If you were in that arena last night, there was not one (ok maybe a handful, lol) of people that was saying PLEASE GIVE ME MORE COHILL TONIGHT, come on......
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lets get back to the original thread...... just like I said were not gonna win games scoring 55-60 points a game and that's what were doing !
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We need much more production out of our two-guard position. When these teams pack it in, as they did last night, we need shooters. Jordan Davis is in a complete funk, and quite frankly, Cohill has not demonstrated even an inkling of being able to knock down outside shots. I am one of Jordan's biggest supporters, but boy, he is in in a terrible shooting slump, in many cases barely drawing iron. I would be tempted to move either Trey or Mikesell into the 2-slot and let Obi start alongside Cunningham.
We could have a Darryl Davis sitch here. Great members Year 1. Big falloff year 2. Sometimes we expect too much out of super frosh.

I AGREE 100PCT on this post. Start Ryan at the 2.

Obi and Cunningham as bigs. Trey as the 3 hustle guy.

Not getting enough from our 2. Cohill is very minor compared to this issue. Cohill simply needs more PT
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u seem like a very knowledgeable and educated man, but stats do LIE, ....
If stats do not lie, please explain to me how with 83 minutes played this season, we have outscored opponents by 23.44 points per 40 minutes per game that Cohill was on the floor. 10 points more than Mikesell's second best on the team per 40 minute average. 83 minutes is enough for this to NOT be a fluke. The offense will come, give him more minutes per game NOW AG.
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Go look at the stats. I'll never apologize for being underwhelmed by someone with the production Cohill has had this far as a highly touted 4-star.

0-5 from 3. 7-25 from the floor. Any claim he's not shooting well seem quite justified to me. I'm not impressed so far.
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Originally Posted by TommyGola View Post
We need much more production out of our two-guard position. When these teams pack it in, as they did last night, we need shooters. Jordan Davis is in a complete funk, and quite frankly, Cohill has not demonstrated even an inkling of being able to knock down outside shots. I am one of Jordan's biggest supporters, but boy, he is in in a terrible shooting slump, in many cases barely drawing iron. I would be tempted to move either Trey or Mikesell into the 2-slot and let Obi start alongside Cunningham.
A nice thought, but how does Trey give us more offense at the 2 spot? He is a member of the bricklayers union from outside. Mikesell maybe, but I hate to take Mikesell away from the basket. The kid is a rebounder. I would try Mikesell at the 2.
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