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Old 07-10-2018, 11:10 AM
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Dayton to Daytona

Spina has officially cancelled the University's affliation with the trip.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:15 AM
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Frankly I am very surprised that this had not happened sooner. The event can still take place without the UD affiliation.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:17 AM
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The Daytona Chamber of Commerce should sponsor the trip.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:39 AM
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Spina is a spineless loser. He is out to destroy every tradition at UD. Guy just doesn't understand the culture of UD and the sooner he is gone the better.

And yes I understand the trip can still occur without UD officially being involved but the guy just doesn't get it.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:48 AM
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Wow. First, the St. Patrick's Day student beat down, now this.

I'm guessing that this is to position UD "correctly" for the large corporate donors that they are courting for the upcoming capital campaign???

Just watch as UD gets more politically correct. (You may have seen the seemingly hush hush diversity/inclusion task force that Spina is spearheading)

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Here is the text of Spina's announcement:

Dear Students,

Warmest regards from campus! We hope you have been enjoying the summer and are looking forward to the new academic year.

We realize those of you who are upper-class students might be planning to participate in a recreational trip to Dayton Beach, Florida, shortly after the school year ends. We recognize that the Dayton to Daytona trip has been a long-standing tradition for UD students. However, due to a number of risk factors, the University is changing its relationship to the trip. For this reason, the University will no longer provide logistical or staff support.

This does not, however, prevent you from independently arranging a post-graduation or other travel experiences with your friends. The current tour company may continue to offer a similar excursion and students may join this trip independently.

We made this decision after carefully studying the recent history of the trip and the benefits and risks of the University's continued support. Based on this assessment, we have concluded that the risks are just too great to continue the University's involvement. The Board of Trustees, UD alumni association board leadership, and the Marianists have also expressed their support for this decision.

In our discussions on campus this past year, we heard from many of you that the trip is enjoyed as an extension of the student neighborhood experience. However, as we evaluated all factors of the Dayton to Daytona experience, we concluded:

- The trip dose not advance the University's Catholic, Marianist education mission.
- Dayton to Daytona activities pose inherent safety risks and could have a negative impact on the value of your UD degree and our University's reputation.
- The resources devoted to the trip could be used to support programs, initiatives, and services regarded as fundamental to a student's learning and living environment and future career.

We recognize that many alumni have fond memories of Dayton to Daytona, and we do want to preserve the senior recognition element of the trip. Therefore, we have asked SGA leadership to work with Alumni Relations and Student Development to create a meaningful on-campus experience, such as a senior send-off, that can become a new tradition over time. We also recognize that not every graduation senior wishes to or is able to participate in Dayton to Daytona, and it is our hope that a new on-campus tradition can be more inclusive and reflective of the entire UD student experience and the Marianist charism.

We are writing now, during the summer break, to share this decision so that you can begin your spring break or post-graduation planning. We hope your summer break provides you with the best possible experience, whether that's learning, traveling, working, or relaxing. We look forward to welcoming you back on campus in the fall.
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Don't disagree with an official separation for obvious reasons...as I think any professional university probably shouldn't be sponsoring a trip as such...with that said...

Takes on group of students to do the same thing with probably more benefit. Not once did I have a spring break trip sponsored by my university, and **** near everyone made it to Panama City.

Decision should be about the university being associated with the debauchery that goes on....not some BS argument regarding inclusion. WTF ever.
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. . . a new on-campus tradition can be more inclusive . . .
I am officially "triggered"
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I am officially "triggered"
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Spina has made many bad decisions. He finally made a good one. It will probably trigger a few snowflakes but definitely a good decision.
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There was never a need for UD to be involved to begin with. You are an adult in college. If you need your guidance counselor to organize and orchestrate your leisure time, you seriously need to rethink whether college is for you.

Spina's announcement stops no one from going anywhere and doing anything they want. Open up your widdy biddy web browser, type in a destination, pull out your cwedit card, make a weservation, and take comfort in knowing you were a big boy or girl and went potty all by yourself.

Personally, I cant even fathom vacationing in Daytona. Its a sewer dump. Its right up there with vacationing in Flint Michigan. Id be ashamed to say I spent my own money to go there but thats me. And its been that way since forever -- certainly when I was in school. Nobody goes there unless theyve literally never been anywhere to know any different.
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Personally, I cant even fathom vacationing in Daytona. Its a sewer dump. Its right up there with vacationing in Flint Michigan. Id be ashamed to say I spent my own money to go there but thats me. And its been that way since forever -- certainly when I was in school. Nobody goes there unless theyve literally never been anywhere to know any different.
Agree 100%, but we knew no better a decade ago.

Spent two nights in a condo 3 blocks north of the main fishing pier. as we were passing through Daytona on a family vacation and visiting friends who lived just south of the area. Condo was ok, beach not even that bad where we were at. The streets out front of the condo was littered with broken bottles, thousands of cigarette butts, several hypodermic needles, and other trash. This was in early June, long after the spring break crowd had left and during one of the quiet times by Daytona standards. Similar experience when we stopped at a shopping center to grab a few things on our way out of town. You could not pay me to go back.
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Its all about liability. Nuff said.
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Leave it to the Dayton Daily Rag to put their own spin on the decision. Highlighting the negative (the untimely death of a student in '07 from NATURAL CAUSES (enlarged heart) unrelated to anything associated with the trip) and glossing over any positives (such as: what having 2000 kids in Daytona during a non-spring break period does for the local economy.

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There was never a need for UD to be involved to begin with. You are an adult in college. If you need your guidance counselor to organize and orchestrate your leisure time, you seriously need to rethink whether college is for you.

Spina's announcement stops no one from going anywhere and doing anything they want. Open up your widdy biddy web browser, type in a destination, pull out your cwedit card, make a weservation, and take comfort in knowing you were a big boy or girl and went potty all by yourself.

Personally, I cant even fathom vacationing in Daytona. Its a sewer dump. Its right up there with vacationing in Flint Michigan. Id be ashamed to say I spent my own money to go there but thats me. And its been that way since forever -- certainly when I was in school. Nobody goes there unless theyve literally never been anywhere to know any different.
Sooo...does this mean you HAVE been there? On a D2D trip? And from that you've formed your opinion? I don't disagree that there are better destinations. I went as a student in the 80's and had two kids go within the past 6 years. To me back then, and to them recently, it's not as much about the destination as it is for a chance to have "one last farewell" with their classmates and housemates, in a warm destination, in a city that happens to embrace the D2D theme. And it is far better organized now vs the bygone years. As others have stated, the trip can go on w/out UD's formal association...and it probably will.
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