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Old 02-11-2018, 10:41 AM
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I think itís funny I said it last week....

Last week I said cut ties with X, Svoboda, Crosby, Pierce, and everyone said OH MY GOD WE CANT DO THAT, no player would ever want to come to UD, and then boom after that absolute debacle with our bench again, all the talk now is GET RID OF THEM GUYS AND GET GUYS IN HERE WHO WANT TO PLAY, just amusing I said it last week
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Last week I said cut ties with X, Svoboda, Crosby, Pierce, and everyone said OH MY GOD WE CANT DO THAT, no player would ever want to come to UD, and then boom after that absolute debacle with our bench again, all the talk now is GET RID OF THEM GUYS AND GET GUYS IN HERE WHO WANT TO PLAY, just amusing I said it last week
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Just for the record; I didn't say that. I like Svoboda and hope he's here next year.

I hope the rest of the guys you mention understand what they have now and how easily they could be replaced. I have no problem with a scholarship being not renewed if the lack of playing time isn't injury related.
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Agree on Svoboda longtime. Maybe not the most skilled but appears to be a hard worker. The others and maybe Kostas are expendable. No excuse for lack of effort and interest. Don't know if any, or all, will be gone, but it won't set the program back, and in fact will improve it with new faces, recruited by AG. At the minimum I believe X and Pierce should be afforded the opportunity to look for greener pastures. X being a senior next year may not happen but Pierce should be a sure thing.

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I am willing to give Svoboda another year- as quick as he lost his shot perhaps he can find it. And heís into the program.
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I just thought it was very interesting that "some one" finally acknowledged that the talent of the players might be a contributing factor to the record this year.
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I'm still of the mindset that you don't "get rid of players". I'm all for being honest with them about their future with the team and letting them make their own decision. Sending them packing is a great way to scare off recruits.
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I'm still of the mindset that you don't "get rid of players". I'm all for being honest with them about their future with the team and letting them make their own decision. Sending them packing is a great way to scare off recruits.
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I'm still of the mindset that you don't "get rid of players". I'm all for being honest with them about their future with the team and letting them make their own decision. Sending them packing is a great way to scare off recruits.
I would never run a kid off for not performing, so long as he is doing everything you ask. Working hard in practice, staying up with school work, being a good teammate, etc. I would be honest with a kid though, if he asked how much PT he was going to get and he decided to leave on his own. I don't consider that running someone off.

If someone however, is not working hard, has attitude issues, etc., and hasn't responded to continued mentoring, then I have no problems if we go our separate ways.
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I don't believe AG will run anybody off. May tell it like it is and leave any decisions up to the player. Pierce may be the closest to having the scholly pulled. Would be a positive though if 2-3 decided to seek greener pastures.
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Hysterical u donít want them on the team, you donít wanna play them, but u donít wanna get rid of them, so letís have them all on the bench for the next 1-3 years and just play the starters 40 mins
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I would never run a kid off for not performing, so long as he is doing everything you ask. Working hard in practice, staying up with school work, being a good teammate, etc. I would be honest with a kid though, if he asked how much PT he was going to get and he decided to leave on his own. I don't consider that running someone off.

If someone however, is not working hard, has attitude issues, etc., and hasn't responded to continued mentoring, then I have no problems if we go our separate ways.
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Hysterical u donít want them on the team, you donít wanna play them, but u donít wanna get rid of them, so letís have them all on the bench for the next 1-3 years and just play the starters 40 mins
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Maybe I am misremembering but I recall that back in my UD days (76-80), there were a number of scholarship players that came in and never saw significant minutes of playing time all 4 years. Does anyone else think that was the case back in the day. I know times have changed and that was pre shot clock.
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Maybe I am misremembering but I recall that back in my UD days (76-80), there were a number of scholarship players that came in and never saw significant minutes of playing time all 4 years. Does anyone else think that was the case back in the day. I know times have changed and that was pre shot clock.
Probably, I remember it in the early 70s. I think there was a huge gap in talent back then between the best players Donoher could recruit vs the rest. I really don't thing that gap is nearly as big this year. There's things going on behind the scenes that we just don't know about and that really has turned this into a lousy season.
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Hysterical u donít want them on the team, you donít wanna play them, but u donít wanna get rid of them, so letís have them all on the bench for the next 1-3 years and just play the starters 40 mins
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1. This assumes players have zero potential to grow. This is false. Even Crosby has potential. It may be limited, but he has potential.
2. We will have two new players next year in Toppin and Cohill. I expect both will be an upgrade over current bench.
3. Mikesell returns and he is a great role player who will bring minutes off the bench
4. In order to have starters play 40 minutes three years from now, then AG must only be bringing in crap players, because Crosby and XW will be gone in one.

Given that there are 13 scholarship players, you must believe that we will have 8 bench players who are not now, and will not be able to contribute in the future. You are no UD fan. I honestly don't know what you are, but no one who is a fan of a team acts like this.
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When I said starters play 40 mins I was just using round figures, I understand we will have new players on the bench next year, what kind of fan am I ? Well letís see I have had season tickets for almost 20 years, I have attended 2 away games this year, Iíve been to the a-10 tournament probably 15 out of the last 20 years, what kind of fan are you ? You live in Texas and watch them on tv 15 times a year ?
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When I said starters play 40 mins I was just using round figures, I understand we will have new players on the bench next year, what kind of fan am I ? Well letís see I have had season tickets for almost 20 years, I have attended 2 away games this year, Iíve been to the a-10 tournament probably 15 out of the last 20 years, what kind of fan are you ? You live in Texas and watch them on tv 15 times a year ?
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If you are willing to stream online (most of us are) then you can watch every game, from anywhere with the right TV package. Even without streaming, out of town folks will get 22 games. The vast majority of us also attend games in person - so I'm not sure what your point is...

I'm not sure moving to another state makes someone less of a fan. If so -
Scoochie moved halfway around the world. He must not like the Flyers very much...
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If you are willing to stream online (most of us are) then you can watch every game, from anywhere with the right TV package. Even without streaming, out of town folks will get 22 games. The vast majority of us also attend games in person - so I'm not sure what your point is...

I'm not sure moving to another state makes someone less of a fan. If so -
Scoochie moved halfway around the world. He must not like the Flyers very much...
BS. He had the fan card played on him. Why not attack the attacker instead of the responder.
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BS. He had the fan card played on him. Why not attack the attacker instead of the responder.
I'm just responding to the guy that basically said all out-of-towners aren't fans.

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I'm just responding to the guy that basically said all out-of-towners aren't fans.

Also - when in doubt - disagree with udscott.
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Agree on Svoboda longtime. Maybe not the most skilled but appears to be a hard worker.
Just like Clark Griswald's father in law said, "so do washing machines" in terms of working hard. Virtually nothing to show this year so far and a yuge liability on defense. I'd rather roll the dice on a legit 4-man.
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Svoboda isn't going anywhere unless he decides to. AG will not run him off. Maybe not the most skilled player but works hard and max effort all the time. Something that is lacking in a number of players this year.
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Just like Clark Griswald's father in law said, "so do washing machines" in terms of working hard. Virtually nothing to show this year so far and a yuge liability on defense. I'd rather roll the dice on a legit 4-man.
Is this post from today talking about Svoboda, a year ago talking about Trey Landers who has now proven the critics wrong, or from Devin Olivers freshman season?

I expect with Svobodas work ethic being as strong as reported, we will be happy with him down the road
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Last week I said cut ties with X, Svoboda, Crosby, Pierce, and everyone said OH MY GOD WE CANT DO THAT, no player would ever want to come to UD, and then boom after that absolute debacle with our bench again, all the talk now is GET RID OF THEM GUYS AND GET GUYS IN HERE WHO WANT TO PLAY, just amusing I said it last week
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What's most amusing is that you went back to your post(s), to remind everyone about how smart you are. "See, I told you guys so." These types of things are so much more effective and better received when the reminder or 2nd post comes from someone OTHER than YOURSELF.

If you don't have any cohorts willing to do this on your behalf, might I suggest setting up a ghost or trolling account to leverage in these instances.
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Players can stay or go based upon what they think is best for them. As far as transferring, where could XW or Crosby go an be offered a scholarship? Kostas is a project and would be accepted at many schools but if he can't get into games with a break even team ,what kind of teams would take him. Obviously something is going on that we don't know about. I'm guessing that the coach doesn't like their practice or game attitude. In that case, good for the coach.
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Is this post from today talking about Svoboda, a year ago talking about Trey Landers who has now proven the critics wrong, or from Devin Olivers freshman season?

I expect with Svobodas work ethic being as strong as reported, we will be happy with him down the road
You make a good point and bring up two great examples of players who evolved greatly at UD. There's a lot of examples of players who went the other way. I just don't see it in Svoboda. Time will tell whether he will go in the direction of Oliver & Landers or Ralph Hill and Brandon Spearman.
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You make a good point and bring up two great examples of players who evolved greatly at UD. There's a lot of examples of players who went the other way. I just don't see it in Svoboda. Time will tell whether he will go in the direction of Oliver & Landers or Ralph Hill and Brandon Spearman.
It's all going to depend on if he can start shooting like he supposedly did overseas. The guy was supposedly a knockdown 3 point shooter and has shot 21% from 3 this season. Something just doesn't seem right about that! He certainly doesn't have any other traits that will help him make up for the lack of shooting.
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Svododa's shooting is all in his head right now. He has a nice stroke. Teams are leaving him open and daring him to shoot. If he stays, the shots will go down, but so will the tough defense on him, and then does he have the speed and smarts to get open?
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I don't believe AG will run anybody off. May tell it like it is and leave any decisions up to the player. Pierce may be the closest to having the scholly pulled. Would be a positive though if 2-3 decided to seek greener pastures.
You don't have to run anyone off per se. However, if guys aren't meeting expectations, or just aren't good enough, you don't have to play them. If guys don't play, they generally transfer. It takes care of itself. Grant is playing like 6 guys so...

If it's pretty clear to you and me which guys he thinks are worth investing in, then you better believe it's really clear to the guys on the team.
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Some of those guys could pull themselves back from the brink I'd guess
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Some of those guys could pull themselves back from the brink I'd guess
If it was the coach that recruited them, I'd say that's possible, but other wise I doubt it. In this particular case I'm not attacking AG. It's just that there's less of chance for a disconnect between what was being sold and was actually being bought with original recruiting staff. AM had better motivation to be upfront with them because he needed buy-in. AG needed bodies for his first season.
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business picking up in recruiting. I think the tea leaves are saying some folks are gone
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So kids can pick and transfer at will but Grant can't run them off? Seems one sided.

If he doesn't materially upgrade the talent by getting out the dead wood, we won't see the NCAA's until at least 2021 and probably longer
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
So kids can pick and transfer at will but Grant can't run them off? Seems one sided.

If he doesn't materially upgrade the talent by getting out the dead wood, we won't see the NCAA's until at least 2021 and probably longer
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Of course it's one sided because of the best interest of both parties. Kid doesn't feel he's getting what he expected and chooses to transfer where there are at least a few coaches willing to sign him. Clean cut and has no long lasting negative effects on anyone other than maybe the kid. Coach runs off player that chose that school he and the school get a bad reputation and his ability to recruit takes a hit.

Welcome to real life. Boss can't fire you just because you're a woman. But you can choose to quit because you don't want to work for a woman. Does that seem one sided to you also? Or do you believe an employee that doesn't want to work for a woman should face a lawsuit over it? Or do you believe an employer should be able to discriminate against you for gender purposes without repercussions?
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So kids can pick and transfer at will but Grant can't run them off? Seems one sided.

If he doesn't materially upgrade the talent by getting out the dead wood, we won't see the NCAA's until at least 2021 and probably longer
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Grant can run them off if he wants. But good luck selling future recruits on the "If you don't turn out to be as good as I think I'm going to send you packing" recruiting pitch. Those players will choose to play somewhere else.
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They are already staying somewhere else. They are at URI, SBU, VCU , and the other 120 or so schools ranked ahead of us. Good players don't have any worries.
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Some of those guys could pull themselves back from the brink I'd guess
I think youíre right, but the question then becomes ďWill they?Ē And we can speculate all we want, but the answers will come from the players (in the form of better practice habits and better performances in games when they get their chances) and the coaching staff (in the form of playing time).
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Grant can run them off if he wants. But good luck selling future recruits on the "If you don't turn out to be as good as I think I'm going to send you packing" recruiting pitch. Those players will choose to play somewhere else.
And anyone who thinks "running" players off for anything other than attitude, effort, conduct, disciplinary...doesn't have a clue.
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
So kids can pick and transfer at will but Grant can't run them off? Seems one sided.

If he doesn't materially upgrade the talent by getting out the dead wood, we won't see the NCAA's until at least 2021 and probably longer
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The "So kids can pick and transfer at will"=coaches can leave and sign contracts with other teams at will. Nothing more. nothing less. Giving away athletic scholarships and kids keeping them has far more do than just how good a kid becomes and/or how much he contributes in games. In fact, that is the LEAST of the prerequisites as far as a kid getting/keeping that scholarship renewed each year.

If he's a good teammate, busting his butt in games, in practice, following team and school rules, taking care of everything academic-wise, etc. he is keeping up his end of the bargain and will keep that ship' for those 4 years. Absolute suicide by the university and BB program just to get rid of kids because they've done everything on their end except improve a whole lot at BB.

Now, if that same kid is consistently injured/hurt and gets bypassed on the depth chart by current and/or new recruits, it's certainly not out of the question that the staff puts their arm around that player and maybe "suggests" to them that finding another school might be better for him IF he still has that burning desire to play and more so if that player already has his degree in hand due to the fact that he may not see the court or see very little...
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