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Old 11-12-2011, 06:18 PM
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Not that it matters in winning or losing, but JB must have had about 6 dunks today. Anyone know?
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The offense continues to be much better. The ball movement and motion really helps Benson. He doesn't have to score off a post up or off the bounce. The movement gets Kavs to the offensive boards.

Second half shows they can play d if they put their mind to it. No adjustments made (at least substantial) other than play harder.
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I've been yelling at the tv/radio for years for them to play inside out, extremely satisfying to see it in action
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:16 PM
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I followed the first half at work, then I had to take care of some other stuff, and when I got home and saw 87-58 I thought it was a misprint.

We outscored them in the second half 46-20? What changed at the half?

Looks like Archie lit a fire and made some changes, but what changed?

If Archie keeps this up he will truly be a hero in my eyes.

By the way, Kav with only one foul in 25 minutes?

Also, they shot 17-21 freethrows and we shot 3-4?

At least they can't say they got homered by the refs. I'm glad to see us shoot 75% but I worry that maybe we could have drawn a few more fouls with aggressive drives. Mostly settled for outside shots and uncontested layups? Gametracker says we did score 50 points in the paint.

Overall, I was really worried at halftime, but very impressed with the 2nd half. This is probably the start of a real rollercoaster season.

I love the thrills of rollercoasters, myself.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill McPeek View Post
I think Bucky's right.....WI does look tired
WI did look tired in the 2nd half. I noticed ~5 WI players sitting on the bench during the game. They were short staffed (like us) and slowed their pace in the 2nd half.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:13 PM
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I followed the first half at work, then I had to take care of some other stuff, and when I got home and saw 87-58 I thought it was a misprint.

We outscored them in the second half 46-20? What changed at the half?

Looks like Archie lit a fire and made some changes, but what changed?

If Archie keeps this up he will truly be a hero in my eyes.

By the way, Kav with only one foul in 25 minutes?

Also, they shot 17-21 freethrows and we shot 3-4?

At least they can't say they got homered by the refs. I'm glad to see us shoot 75% but I worry that maybe we could have drawn a few more fouls with aggressive drives. Mostly settled for outside shots and uncontested layups? Gametracker says we did score 50 points in the paint.

Overall, I was really worried at halftime, but very impressed with the 2nd half. This is probably the start of a real rollercoaster season.

I love the thrills of rollercoasters, myself.
WI played pretty clean. Most of our fouls were picked up because of slow rotation and contact trying to get the D back on track (at least in the first half). Tonight it didn't burn the Flyers too much but they need to get and keep their feet moving on D for the entire game. Good effort. Well timed and productive TO's from Miller. The offensive flow is infinitely better than last year and it shows in player confidence. D and rebounding needs work.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:15 PM
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I really liked a lot of what I saw out there today. Lot of motion on offense, everyone playing, reacting, reading what was available and taking it, going to the open area, taking good open shots... wow, the offense looked good.

It seemed to me the biggest change on defense was simply better ball pressure. They split double teams too easily in the first half, but we cut that off in the second.

I liked the flow of the game. We posted up a bunch. Didn't always make the right play, but it did lead to better offense overall.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:19 PM
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We move the ball so much more effectively on offense than we did under BG. The ball movement is actually sometimes faster than the defensive rotation, resulting in some wide-open shot opportunities.

Benson is blossoming. Dillard makes all the other guys better with his creative passing.

Our defense in the first half was scary bad. Big improvement in the 2nd.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:23 PM
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I stated this on an earlier post last week,but it bears repeating (Norm Grevey also brought it upon Flyer feedback)- we are a much better offense than last year because we have more movement and we have better outside shooters taking shots this year. we lost 2 of our worst outside shooters and now have good shooters taking these shots-when is the last time we shot better than 50% in 3 straight games regardless of wheher they were exhibition?
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:47 PM
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It seemed like last year you'd see 2 guys in motion while the other 3 sort of watched. This offense relies on off ball movement and results in great opportunities on cuts. The Flyers actually ran a nice back door cut type of play ala Princeton back in the day. One game obviously doesn't make a season but it's fun too see the changes on the court.

They absolutely need to do better on stopping the penetration on the dribble drive and that's just moving your feet and anticipation. Second half it happened like you draw it up on defense. Once they did that the easy buckets shut down and they opened up the lead.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:52 PM
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The movement helps the offense. But so does Dillard. He moves the ball and doesn't have to monopolize it as Staten did. When he gets in the lane he is looking to kick out or hit a cutter going to the glass. That helps a ton. Some of it is structure and design and a lot is the point guard.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:56 PM
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We committed 20 fouls. How did Kav only commit 1 in 25 minutes. Did it look like he changed his defensive approach?

Any post game comments from him or Archie addressing that aspect?
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
Not that it matters in winning or losing, but JB must have had about 6 dunks today. Anyone know?
The play-by-play says 5 dunks.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:43 AM
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The play-by-play says 5 dunks.
Josh's length and athleticism turns a lay-up into an easy flush. He has been impressing the heck out of me since the first scrimmage game. Nobody is benefiting from the spacing and motion of Archies offense more than him. He looks absolutely pumped about this season.
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Just looked at box score. Did Dillard really only play 19 min?
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Josh's length and athleticism turns a lay-up into an easy flush. He has been impressing the heck out of me since the first scrimmage game. Nobody is benefiting from the spacing and motion of Archies offense more than him. He looks absolutely pumped about this season.
He also had that nice in-bounds almost-alley-oop shot too.

If I had told you at halftime, that Benson and Kavs would be the top 2 scorers, and that Kavs would have 5 offensive rebounds (none in the second half, only 2 defensive), would you have believed me?
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Just looked at box score. Did Dillard really only play 19 min?
Yea. Play by play timings shows 19 minutes 24 seconds.
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Dillard went to the bench because of two fouls in the first half with 7 or 8(?) minutes left. Parker did a great job taking over the point for the rest of the half. I also think he sparked a little better defense at the end of the half as did DO and we pulled into the lead.
It was wonderful to watch such unselfish play.
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Having not seen the game, but following the game on Game Tracker, listening to Bucky on the radio and looking at the box score, I was really impressed with the play of MK and JB. If MK can continue to hit the boards (5 offensive rebounds), get some points, be a defensive presence and NOT foul (ala his game against SHU last year), this could be a really good season for us. I know WIU isn't too highly regarded and the game at Miami will likely tell us a lot more about team character, but if MK has found the key to stay out of foul trouble and remain active, we could be in for a fun season. JB sounded great and from everyone's remarks, it seems the kids are really jelling offensively under AM; now we just have to maintain better defensive consistency. How active was AM along the sideline...was he pacing up and down, yelling at the kids and the refs, or was he more subdued and studied in his game-time demeanor?
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Archie was pretty calm and subdued during the game....and the players didn't repeatedly look his way for direction. Fun game to watch!
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Dillard has many more skills than that other kid. He shoots better, penetrates better and knows how and where to pass once he is in the lane, but #1 he is unselfish. I was so impressed when he got close to the basket several times and instead of shooting dished off for a wide open bunny.
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We won't lose a game if we get 36 points or more from Benson and Kavanaugh.

I was a big BG supporter, but man, it was nice to see the changes out there, on offense, defense, substitutions, flow... we just looked loose. I think the change was good for everyone.

I did see Henton had 10 and 6 in his debut, and Gibson had zeros across the board. I still think this team could surprise, but we have a ways to go. The first half was scary on defense.
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If I had told you at halftime, that Benson and Kavs would be the top 2 scorers, and that Kavs would have 5 offensive rebounds (none in the second half, only 2 defensive), would you have believed me?
Actually Fig, Matt has more career offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds. But your point is well taken. He likes to hang around the offensive rim.
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What was refreshing for me was watching guys take shots they can and should make by being aggressive, without looking at the bench wondering if they were going to be yanked for it.

Case in point we get a steal and have a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 mini-break from halfcourt. The ball is quickly gathered over on the wing and (I think) Parker takes it and shoots a trey. Most of the court was relatively open, but Parker had a great look to line up it directly after the transition. He never hesitated and shot it (and missed).

But its a shot he can make -- and a lot of guys should be able to make. Dillard, Parker, Johnson, Williams, Fab. I never got the sense from Parker's attempt that he ever felt Archie was gonna yank him for taking that shot. Treys are easy shots -- especially so if they are wide open like this one. For better or worse, we're going to take a lot of threes this year without a David West down low for us. Big Kavs and Benson are different kinds of players. Not really aircraft carriers of prototypical big men.

But Archie is convinced we can shoot the ball and the take-away I got from the first game was he wants these guys getting open shots and shooting and having far more spurtability. Going for the jugular in transition. Hard to do that in a half-court setting.

Not sure we're ever going to be the Karl Hobbs GW teams of 7-8 years ago that were helter skelter to the Nth degree, but Archie wants shooters shooting. More so, he wants them to adjust on the fly and pass up a good shot from the playbook for an even better shot from the natural run of play. Gregory seemed to force-feed every offensive possession. Come He11 or high water the ball was going to XYZ at the ABC location of the court -- even if it was covered. And the other team knew it too.

I like the ability to be able to let these guys interpret things on the fly. They aren't robots. All this said, we need to get to the foul line a lot more and Archie referenced it.
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Chris I remember seeing that play, and yes it was Parker, and thinking even though he missed the shot it WAS a good, wide open, look in transition. It was not a bad shot at all.
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How active was AM along the sideline...was he pacing up and down, yelling at the kids and the refs, or was he more subdued and studied in his game-time demeanor?
I thought archie did a great job making adjustments out of time outs and after the half. But if I were to have one complaint it would have been that he did not get into the refs ear... In the second half I think there were some really bad calls and wanted to see archie chew somebody out. But Archie sat most of the game, 95% @least... Seemed really calm...
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Actually Fig, Matt has more career offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds. But your point is well taken. He likes to hang around the offensive rim.
Made me look that one up. Of course, the first thing that surprised me when I tackled the stats, was that his 5 offensive rebounds didn't show up as a career high. I was dumb-founded. His stat line versus Seton Hall is almost identical to the one against Western Illinois.

vs. Seton Hall: 5/7 FG, 5/6 FT, 5 OffReb, 2 DefReb, 15 points, 2PF, 2TO, 19 minutes
vs. Western Illinois: 7/9 FG, 1/1 FT, 5 OffReb, 2DefReb, 15 points, 1PF, 3Assists, 25 minutes

So, back to looking it up, through the Western Illinois game, 56 Offensive rebounds, 37 defensive rebounds. Since 2003, only one other (scholarship) player had more offensive rebounds then defensive rebounds. Nick Stafford, 39 vs 33.

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Originally Posted by Figgie123 View Post
Made me look that one up. Of course, the first thing that surprised me when I tackled the stats, was that his 5 offensive rebounds didn't show up as a career high. I was dumb-founded. His stat line versus Seton Hall is almost identical to the one against Western Illinois.

vs. Seton Hall: 5/7 FG, 5/6 FT, 5 OffReb, 2 DefReb, 15 points, 2PF, 2TO, 19 minutes
vs. Western Illinois: 7/9 FG, 1/1 FT, 5 OffReb, 2DefReb, 15 points, 1PF, 3Assists, 25 minutes

So, back to looking it up, through the Western Illinois game, 56 Offensive rebounds, 37 defensive rebounds. Since 2003, only one other (scholarship) player had more offensive rebounds then defensive rebounds. Nick Stafford, 39 vs 33.

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I've noticed that Matt has that uncanny knack of knowing where the ball is off the offensive glass and seems to be around it alot. Some guys just have that ability to get offensive rebounds.
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Chris I remember seeing that play, and yes it was Parker, and thinking even though he missed the shot it WAS a good, wide open, look in transition. It was not a bad shot at all.

From my seat I had a great view of that play, as it was directly on the opposite side of the court of the shot. It seemed like he hesitated for a second because he couldn't believe how open he was. I think that hesitation led to the shot being a bit off the mark. It's a shot he - or any of our perimeter shooters - should take every time.
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I've noticed that Matt has that uncanny knack of knowing where the ball is off the offensive glass and seems to be around it alot. Some guys just have that ability to get offensive rebounds.
It may be more than a knack. I once saw a piece on Dennis Rodman, one of the best offensive rebounders in NBA history. I forget who it was that was describing how Rodman got to so many rebounds, might have been chuck Dailey, or Phil Jackson, doesn't really matter, but they said how Rodman studied his teammates shots to the nth degree. He knew which side of the rim each shooter tended to miss from, so he could setup accordingly to give himself the highest % chance of grabbing a rebound if it became available.

Don't know how much Matt keeps a mental picture/history of his teammates shots, but it worked for Rodman and I'm sure many others.
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Originally Posted by Figgie123 View Post
Made me look that one up........ through the Western Illinois game, 56 Offensive rebounds, 37 defensive rebounds. Since 2003, only one other (scholarship) player had more offensive rebounds then defensive rebounds. Nick Stafford, 39 vs 33.

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I knew who I was messing with Figgie. I looked it up BEFORE I posted it.

As an aside, it would be long odds for TWO players on the same team to have more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds, but last year Josh Benson had 63 offensive and 64 defensive. Of course that was with Matt Kavanaugh only getting scraps for playing time.
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