2015 Recruiting Thread

[lhsgolf19]

Good Call Chris... Let' get it going.

As it stands right now... we have 3 scholarships to give out.


A reminder, the two most recent offers:

Alex Kline ‏@TheRecruitScoop 19h

Tulsa & Dayton have offered 2015 forward Aaron Falzon of Expressions Elite (MA).

Chas Wolfe @highmajorscoop · 3h

Dayton just offered 6-foot-8/2015/PF/Derek Pardon of Cleveland, Ohio (VASJ). Pardon also plays AAU with King James.

[Swampy Meadows]

Verbal Commits has the names of the other players with offers:

http://verbalcommits.com/schools/dayton

From that list you can scratch Carlton Bragg (as he is going big-time) and Jalen Rose (as he has never had a UD offer and never will). Esa Ahmed and Raymond Spaulding are blowing up as well and could end up out of Archie's reach.

[Sea Bass]

saw Kipper Nichols in the DI state championship game. Very impressed.

[DallasFlyer]

We should probably start following this deal http://highschoolsports.cleveland.co...ipper-nichols/

"Through November's National Signing Day, we'll be taking a behind-the-scenes look at the recruitment of Kipper Nichols and Shaker Heights junior Esa Ahmad. The series launched today. Click here to see the main story, with videos and pictures. You'll get a look into these players' worlds during this exciting period in their lives. From meetings with college coaches to conversations they have with their inner circle to that ultimate final decision, we'll be here following what goes on."

All kinds of goodness there including the super cool recruiting timelines. Should be fun to keep up with. With both kids, especially Kipper, cool to see Dayton has there from Day 1!

[CvilleFlyer]

Lets not forget about Kyle Ahrens from Versailles. The Flyers need to start locking up the best local talent as opposed to losing them to other colleges. Adreian Payne comes to mind!

[UDBrian]

I am fairly certain that bg showed payne a lot of love

[jack72]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer We should probably start following this deal http://highschoolsports.cleveland.co...ipper-nichols/ "Through November's National Signing Day, we'll be taking a behind-the-scenes look at the recruitment of Kipper Nichols and Shaker Heights junior Esa Ahmad. The series launched today. Click here to see the main story, with videos and pictures. You'll get a look into these players' worlds during this exciting period in their lives. From meetings with college coaches to conversations they have with their inner circle to that ultimate final decision, we'll be here following what goes on." All kinds of goodness there including the super cool recruiting timelines. Should be fun to keep up with. With both kids, especially Kipper, cool to see Dayton has there from Day 1!

I wonder what it means that Kipper has not visited UD?

Correction, in the article it says he has visited UD. I guess just a screw up by the PD reporter, who if you are not OSU, you do not count.

[DallasFlyer]

Yeah, my recollection was that BG couldn't have tried any harder to land Payne. Say what you want about Brian Gregory but he was a tireless recruiter so have to believe he gave it all he had. Of course, it's a fair point that coming off an Elite 8 run, Dayton might be better positioned to lock up the top local talent.

Is Ahrens this year's Maverick Morgan/ Adreian Payne/ Chris Wright/ Juwan Staten? By that, I mean is the big get locally we're fighting for? The 4 star guy with the big ten offers (Michigan State and Iowa) who might choose to stay home?

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[DallasFlyer]

The EYBL Circuit ‏@D1Circuit 11m
CIA Bounce G Dillon Brooks (@dbrookz8) picks up an offer from Dayton. #Atlantic10 #D1 @BounceTTCAAU

3 Star, 6-7, but the best part is definitely that he's Canadian (from Ontario near Dyshawn's hometown) so he has to be good, right?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba.../dillon-brooks

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I am fairly certain that bg showed payne a lot of love

Yes he did, holding a scholarship open for AP until he decided on MSU. That full ride went to DMO.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Yes he did, holding a scholarship open for AP until he decided on MSU. That full ride went to DMO.

Not a bad consolation prize. Obviously, getting BOTH AP & DMO would have been fantastic, but you can't have everything...

I guess...

Unless you're one of THOSE teams...

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I am fairly certain that bg showed payne a lot of love

Payne and his grandma liked UD, but his "advisors" wanted him to go "bigger", hence it came down to MSU and tOSU. For what it's worth Staten tried really hard to get him to sign with UD. Anywho that's in the past GO FLYERS!!!

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ready Action Payne and his grandma liked UD, but his "advisors" wanted him to go "bigger", hence it came down to MSU and tOSU. For what it's worth Staten tried really hard to get him to sign with UD. Anywho that's in the past GO FLYERS!!!

Staten wanted Payne at UD so he would have someone else not to pass to?

[DallasFlyer]

Seen quite a few tweets lately about 2016 offers and even one 2017 kid Dayton has possibly offered. Too early to start 2016 and 2017 threads? I certainly can't think that far ahead.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

It's hard for me to get excited about a 2017 recruit. There is so much that can change. Genetics don't always work out favorably. Instead, I think that I would prefer a coach to speak candidly with a potential recruit and his family. Tell them that you like his size, prospect to grow, his current game and his prospect of developing his game. However, we think that 15 year old boys should be more focused on experiencing life. Get your drivers license. Enjoy prom. Learn about heartbreak. Learn from you friends that don't take advantage of opportunities and from your friends that squeeze the juice out of every day. Pay attention to your current coach. We'll be here. We'll watch your progress. We would be thrilled to have you become a Flyer some day if your game continues to develop and you develop as a young man. But, it's more important at this time if you continue to develop as a young man. If you have any questions, we'll be here to the extent that the NCAA will allow. In the meantime, we're most excited about you becoming an honorable young man.

As a parent, I would love to hear that. It puts the other coaches in a difficult position. They'll be focused on basketball. They'll ignore their true mission. They'll forget that it's about helping boys become successful men. It would be a great tack...a different tack. AM could send notes congratulating him on the things outside of basketball. Send a note congratulating him on getting a great grade. Become the kid's uncle. All awhile, he should tell the parents that only a small minority of recruits ever commit. We can't just care about getting a commitment. We are invested in the process of boys becoming men. As a Catholic institution, we believe in helping them through the process.

I think this would be a great hook! I was recently dealing with an employee who was taking time to work on a mission. I made it clear that we want him to maximize his experience and to enjoy his time with his family during his service. I told him that I don't believe in living to work. I want our employees to enjoy living. This struck a chord with him and has helped keep him remain productive. This same approach should work with AM.

[DallasFlyer]

If you have a good notion that a kid is going to blow up, giving that first offer can be key. If you're their first, a kid may just want to be loyal to your being the first to believe him. But in those rare cases where a guy commits super early, there is a high probability that he doesn't make it to your campus. But there's not much harm in an early offer really - nothing is binding and if kid gets in trouble or something, coaches can always back off. If their basketball development stalls, I think as long as a coach is honest with a kid, telling him that the playing time that was expected isn't likely to be there as the roster has evolved, and you offer to make any calls on his behalf to other coaches, etc. It isn't a big deal.

[OSU Flyer]

Here's a read on 2015 St. Edward's forward Kipper Nichols from an Ohio State site

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-s...oming-hot-name

[priceg75]

We're not getting Ahrens or Nichols. Hopefully we have a good plan B.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by priceg75 We're not getting Ahrens or Nichols. Hopefully we have a good plan B.

And didn't get Dawkins...hmmmm.

Are you saying that the Elite 8 run isn't helping our recruiting?

Back to life...back to reality...

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by priceg75 We're not getting Ahrens or Nichols. Hopefully we have a good plan B.

Is that an opinion based off what you've read or heard regarding what Ahrens and Nichols are looking for, or are you basing that statement on the basis of "bigger" schools courting them? If it's the former that's one thing. If it's the latter, Dayton should be better positioned to "steal" some of these guys now you'd think. Not that it hasn't been done in the past, but we should have a little more clout now...

[The Fly]

Originally Posted by rollo Are you saying that the Elite 8 run isn't helping our recruiting?

Didn't hear him say it, but you just did -- apparently skipping over the part where Detwon Rogers said he hadn't even heard of Dayton until the Elite Eight run.

Look, we can turn any topic on this board into a snarky and subjective b*tch session. But must we?

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Are you saying that the Elite 8 run isn't helping our recruiting?

Snarky Rollo. C'mon man, nobody said they would line up at our doors. Common sense says that those who reach the E8 are better off in the recruiting wars than those that don't. The influence of that success can be so subtle, but beneficial, that we fans would never know it. It may be something as innocuous as the recruit and his family will now answer the phone and let us in the living room where they wouldn't before. It's not a ticket to heaven.

An E8 won't help Duke recruit because they already enjoy a massive advantage.

[Sea Bass]

Personally I am not sure that one E8 or S16 run changes a lot. It didn't for SJU or UR. I think it is sustained success that starts to change perceptions and make a difference. A few more people will recognize the name "Dayton" and it might open some doors but IMO it will only make an incremental difference.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[rollo]

From day 1 I claimed that the E8 run would make us the flavor of the month and we needed to capitalize NOW. Others said the advantage was greater than that. One month after the E8 we have landed 1 JC recruit coming off an Achilles injury that may or may not be problematic in the future.

Now we're hearing other top recruits aren't seriously considering UD...but I'm holding out hope Archie has something up his sleeve, especially since the irons are still hot.

But I'm not counting on it and never had...and still think we need to be looking at transfers and diamonds in the rough over 5-stars.

[San Diego Flyer]

Coach "A" goes to a recruits home having no appreciable NCAA success in 30 years.

Coach "B" goes to the same recruit and with the news that his program broke a string of 30 years without an Elite 8 by beating Ohio State, Syracuse, and Stanford. Coach B just got reinforced by landing a recruit who said the Elite 8 made a difference.

I personally would want to be Coach B recruiting in 2014. By the time the NCAA's are over in 2015, it's a whole new ball game in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sport. I think it makes us the flavor of the year until March madness in 2015.

[TA111]

Just because you get to the elite 8 doesn't mean every kid you talk to will sign on the spot. It certainly helps and gives you more credibility. IMO, we already had alot of credibility, the run only enhances it. We have a bunch of very good recruiters in Ostrom, Kuwik and Griffin. We've already proven we can beat the alleged big boys with the recruits we currently have.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Personally I am not sure that one E8 or S16 run changes a lot. It didn't for SJU or UR. I think it is sustained success that starts to change perceptions and make a difference. A few more people will recognize the name "Dayton" and it might open some doors but IMO it will only make an incremental difference.

But that is all you need in many cases, a few extra doors to open (see Detwon Rogers). Of course sustained success is always preferred, but unlike some of the schools you mentioned we are coming from a stronger starting point in terms of fan base, facilities etc.. These kids know how crazy the Dayton fan base is and that the NCAA tourney starts in Dayton every year.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Coach "A" goes to a recruits home having no appreciable NCAA success in 30 years. Coach "B" goes to the same recruit and with the news that his program broke a string of 30 years without an Elite 8 by beating Ohio State, Syracuse, and Stanford. Coach B just got reinforced by landing a recruit who said the Elite 8 made a difference. I personally would want to be Coach B recruiting in 2014. By the time the NCAA's are over in 2015, it's a whole new ball game in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sport. I think it makes us the flavor of the year until March madness in 2015.

Coach B has also never finished higher than 5th in the A10, this was his first NCAA trip as a coach, and they missed the NIT last season. I love Archie and the things he has done, but he has a few question marks as well. The E8 was great, but it really isn't that great of an eye opener to recruits. It may get Archie in the door of some bigger recruits, but until we improve in the league or make the NCAA tourney 3-4 years in a row, getting in the door is the only thing the E8 will do.

Butler and VCU were NCAA regulars before their F4 and championship game appearances. George Mason came out of nowhere and then faded away. The biggest thing we can do to really improve our recruiting is sustain our success and not fade away.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Coach "A" goes to a recruits home having no appreciable NCAA success in 30 years. Coach "B" goes to the same recruit and with the news that his program broke a string of 30 years without an Elite 8 by beating Ohio State, Syracuse, and Stanford. Coach B just got reinforced by landing a recruit who said the Elite 8 made a difference. I personally would want to be Coach B recruiting in 2014. By the time the NCAA's are over in 2015, it's a whole new ball game in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sport. I think it makes us the flavor of the year until March madness in 2015.

...You know, the guy who's been to the NCAA 10 of 12 years and is ranked in the Top 25 regularly...and who comes from a BCS conference.

If Archie is still recruiting against Coach A, as you insinuate, then we aren't even in the flavor of the month category. And that IS a problem!

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo And didn't get Dawkins...hmmmm. Are you saying that the Elite 8 run isn't helping our recruiting? Back to life...back to reality...

Every year we don't get about 90% of the kids we recruit. So does everyone else. What does this have to do with the Elite 8. Before Everybody jumps off a cliff, let's wait and see what the recruiting class looks like.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Every year we don't get about 90% of the kids we recruit. So does everyone else. What does this have to do with the Elite 8. Before Everybody jumps off a cliff, let's wait and see what the recruiting class looks like.

Or more importantly, see how they perform on the court. Wake me up when the first exhibition is here.

[NorthwestFlyer]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Every year we don't get about 90% of the kids we recruit. So does everyone else. What does this have to do with the Elite 8. Before Everybody jumps off a cliff, let's wait and see what the recruiting class looks like.

Too late, I've fallen, and I can't get up!

[San Diego Flyer]

Think that having a newly minted E8 ranks a bit higher than also having 3 ex-Flyers legitimately in the NBA. Another asset in the coach's tool box. They add up. What's not to like about opening previously closed doors?

[OSU Flyer]

not sure how much a shot we had with Esa Ahmad

@TheRecruitScoop: Ohio State offered 2015 forward Esa Ahmad of All-Ohio Red (OH).

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Coach B has also never finished higher than 5th in the A10, this was his first NCAA trip as a coach, and they missed the NIT last season. I love Archie and the things he has done, but he has a few question marks as well. The E8 was great, but it really isn't that great of an eye opener to recruits. It may get Archie in the door of some bigger recruits, but until we improve in the league or make the NCAA tourney 3-4 years in a row, getting in the door is the only thing the E8 will do. Butler and VCU were NCAA regulars before their F4 and championship game appearances. George Mason came out of nowhere and then faded away. The biggest thing we can do to really improve our recruiting is sustain our success and not fade away.

I guess this was worth a red pipe and being called a loser. Sorry my opinion differs from whoever red piped me. But I do work in college athletics and see recruits everyday for my job.

[Glen Clark]

Meanwhile, back on the topic of 2015 prospects . . .

I really like Derek Pardon:

http://verbalcommits.com/players/derek-pardon

I would like to have a thousand like him - think what we could do with a thousand Pardons

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Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

[Santa Claus]

An important aspect not mentioned concerning the "Elite Eight" alluded to by Archie himself:

The program has a workable blueprint.

Does what?

1) Adds to Archie's confidence in various facets and general approach.

2) Archie's confidence is not in a vacuum. It is sustenance for players and coaches; they will tend to be more pliable, patient, and hard working.

3) Everyone including administrators and fans now have a leg UP onto a believable prospect. Success is contagious.

[Santa Claus]

What does this have to do with recruits?

EVERYTHING.

This Santa does not where those rosy colored glasses. I squint through
conservative ones. Just watch how things like Dawkins to Michigan will fall into place with a more favorable outcome.

My point is, the "Elite Eight" is to be profoundly effective at UD now (and for years to come).
Rollo, you are not tuned in, if you think we are not going to get the right recruits.

[THirt]

Originally Posted by Santa Claus What does this have to do with recruits? EVERYTHING. This Santa does not where those rosy colored glasses. I squint through conservative ones. Just watch how things like Dawkins to Michigan will fall into place with a more favorable outcome.

Getting Hallice Cooke or Eron Harris would qualify as a more favorable outcome in my book.

I'm thinking one of the reasons Cole Huff took us off his list was because of us landing Detwon Rogers.

The next month should be interesting at least.
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[OSU Flyer]

Ohio State gets a commitment from 2015 top 100 guard Austin Grandstaff. I would guess that means they don't come after Kyle Ahrens now.

[OSU Flyer]

Ahmad Wagner – Claims offers from Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio University, Wright State, Toledo, Miami (OH) plus interest from Texas Tech, West Virginia and Dayton.

http://tripledoubleprospects.com/201...-slam-recap-3/

Forward out of Wayne High School

[daytonflyers]

Originally Posted by rollo Now we're hearing other top recruits aren't seriously considering UD...but I'm holding out hope Archie has something up his sleeve, especially since the irons are still hot.

To be clear, "we're hearing other top recruits aren't seriously considering UD" from a UDpride poster, who doesn't appear to be basing his opinion on anything credible. Neither Nichols nor Ahrens have said they aren't seriously considering UD.

As for whether the E8 helps recruiting, I agree with both sides. Obviously, its better than not having not made the NCAA, but it won't create a tidal wave of recruiting victories unless we can sustain it over seasons. But, I think we can sustain it.

Unlike Richmond, or Saint Joe's, or George Mason when they made their NCAA runs, we have a strong core of contributors coming back. Richmond and SJU especially lost transcendent players after their runs. We have a team and a coach that will enter next season with more confidence than ever, fully expecting to be successful. So its not the Elite 8 that should help us in recruiting - it is the general direction of the program. The E8 is not just a past accomplishment, but evidence of where the program is going.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[OSU Flyer]

Jack LeGwin @jacklegwin · May 11
Kipper Nichols tells me that Xavier is working hardest at the moment. Duquesne, Ohio State and Northwestern have been recent interest.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[OSU Flyer]

Brian Flinn ‏@BFlinnFuture150 6h
2015 Travelers F Ray Spalding claims offers from IU, Clemson, and Xavier. Interest from Cincy, UK, Louisville, Oklahoma, and Northwestern

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer I would guess that means they don't come after Kyle Ahrens now.

Kyle Ahrens' stats* with King James:

http://www.d1circuit.com/stats/team_...ts&tool=985828

and game log:

http://www.d1circuit.com/roster_players/4940930

[CvilleFlyer]

No mention of 6'9" JUCO big man Malik Dime from Indian Hills Community College. He went to Columbus Walnut Ridge High School and is supposedly a five star post. He will be a sophomore next season at IHCC.

Does anyone know if we have offered or would we want to? Iowa St. is the only school he has visited.

[anthonycharles]

I thought I read on Twitter last month that UD offered.

[Swampy Meadows]

Dime is a Rising Juco soph. Unless his grades met NCAA Clearinghouse standards coming out of HS he is a 2015 recruit with 2 years of eligibility. UD has offered
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[CvilleFlyer]

Thanks Swampy!

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 The E8 was great, but it really isn't that great of an eye opener to recruits. It may get Archie in the door of some bigger recruits, but until we improve in the league or make the NCAA tourney 3-4 years in a row, getting in the door is the only thing the E8 will do. .

http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...9628?p=5&tc=pg

"Rogers never considered the Flyers until their run to the Elite Eight this season. In the span of five days, Archie Miller visited Rogers in Idaho, brought him to campus and landed a commitment."

Undeniably incremental success validated by a recruit's testimonial regarding our E8.

[BallgameJohnny]

Are we talking big time recruits (to me that is top 100) or top 300-400 type of guys? I think Rogers is a good get, but not big time.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Undeniably incremental success validated by a recruit's testimonial regarding our E8.

Incremental success to me is signing 2 or 3 Top 100 players this November. Since we've been landing Top 150's for a while, it's time to take the next step and start landing some studs, especially the local ones.

As for Rogers, until he's played a couple games I'm not sure this signing can be classified as anything, especially since he's coming off an injury that doesn't heal easily and would limit him severely if it reoccurred. He could be Frank Iguadola...or he could be Dave Colbert.

Regardless, I want to see him in the weight room.

[shapanud]

Originally Posted by rollo Incremental success to me is signing 2 or 3 Top 100 players this November.

Off the top of my head, I think we have only signed 2 Top 100 recruits in the last 10 years (Wright and Staten). Signing 2 or 3 in the same year would be monumental progress, not incremental progress.

[DallasFlyer]

Other top 100 guys (Derenbecker and Sibert) have come in via transfer.

But the 100-160 range is a good place to be. Probably the 155th ranked player goes on to have a more productive career than the 55th highest ranked player just as often. What happens I think is the guys who blow up early and catch the eyes of big coaches get their rankings inflated while those who develop later never shoot up the rankings. It's about identifying talent that fits your system.

And really it's kind of a chicken and the egg thing. If Dayton keeps having success is it because they are getting higher ranked recruits? Or if Dayton keeps having success are recruits getting bumped up in the rankings because Dayton has gained respect?

[sw368407]

Dallas hit the nail right on the head. Its all about identifying talent that fits your system as well as developing the kids once they get to you. These recruiting rankings are extremely subjective and the difference between a recruit ranked in 50-100 and 100-150 is unnoticeable, the difference being if any big schools are after player A then he must be better. Also, higher ranked recruits may be more polished in high school but I'd rather have the talent that peaks when I have them in college.

Archie is especially good at evaluating talent he can further develop. Khari Price was not even on the radar and he has developed nicely. In Archie I trustie.

[San Diego Flyer]

The more posted articles and recordings you absorb about Detwon Rogers, the more he appears to be a top 100 talent who hasn't been able to stay healthy. Wichita State was on him, and actually he was on Iowa State's radar. Gonzaga liked him. The Zags did research liked what he would bring.

This is a big time talent who had to sit a year so his maturity level is like Sibert. Can he stay healthy? We'll see. This kid can check some blocks for us---rebounding, mid-range jumpers, defense. Latest charts have him at 6'6" and 225, which may be partially in the right places, partially not. Probably needs some work there.

If Arch thought enough of what he heard and saw to make a special trip out there, we should be glad we landed him.

[UDBrian]

I don't think we can judge recruiting success by getting more top 100 players. It is nice for publicity reasons but they may or may not be better than a guy ranked out of the top 100. Archie and his staff will know if they are getting better players right away. Some of us will have an opinion after their first Red/Blue scrimmage

But, there are plenty of players in the nba who weren't ranked in the top 100. A lot depends upon how much a player loves the game and wants to improve.

[OSU Flyer]

I think who else has offered might be a better indicator with guys outside the top 50-75

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I don't think we can judge recruiting success by getting more top 100 players. It is nice for publicity reasons but they may or may not be better than a guy ranked out of the top 100. Archie and his staff will know if they are getting better players right away. Some of us will have an opinion after their first Red/Blue scrimmage But, there are plenty of players in the nba who weren't ranked in the top 100. A lot depends upon how much a player loves the game and wants to improve.

DESIRE baby!!

[flyerfanday1]

Anybody know of any 2015 talent that seems like he will be a flyer?

[OSU Flyer]

Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein · 2h

SHOOTER! RT @TheRecruitScoop Boston College has offered Aaron Falzon of Expressions (MA).

[OSU Flyer]

Corey Albertson ‏@Corey_Albertson 11m
'15 Versailles wing Kyle Ahrens tells me Michigan State, Tennessee, Xavier and Dayton have been in contact the most lately.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[shapanud]

Per Brian Snow:
Nate Fowler from Moeller to Butler

UD had offered.

[soccergod]

2015 recruit from Jones County Community college
Thaddeus Hall originally from Brooklyn Ny 6-5 shooting guard
Originally signed with South Ccarolina out of high school . He has also been offered by Iowa,
Baylor, MIami FL , MIssssippi State . Per Rivals and 247Sports

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by shapanud Per Brian Snow: Nate Fowler to Butler

saw video on him and he reminded me of Percy Gibson. Big body, decent skills, slow feet.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

I think that UDBrian hits on a great point. There aren't many schools that can rely on getting top 100 recruits. While I think it's critical that UD reach the recruiting status of being able to land 1-2 top 100 recruits per class (I don't think this is too lofty of a goal), the key skill is landing guys outside of the top 100 that have the tools to contribute early and room/attitude/aptitude to develop. In the information age, it's much easier with the availability of tape, reviews, analysis, etc. It's never been easier to locate the diamonds in the rough. However, it still takes a keen eye to recognize the diamond.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Echo. echo, echooooo.

[OSU Flyer]

HoopsIntel ‏@HoopsIntelSW 3h
'15 King James guard Kyle Ahrens has a top five of Michigan State, Dayton, Xavier, Tenn. & Michigan.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[OSU Flyer]

Biggest Stock Booster: Kipper Nichols/King James 2015

Coming into the event, there were some questions regarding whether Nichols was a high-level wing in 2015. He answered all questions and then some as the King James wing was active on both ends and highly responsible for a big time W over the home-based program Howard Pulley squad. In front of a ruckus crowd and playing on a squad with a Duke, Ohio State, and another top-10 recruit nationally in 2016, Nichols was easily the most productive as he displayed his developed physique, polished pull-up game off the baseline, and active defense both on and off the ball. Expect Nichols offer list to change a bit come July with further showings as such

Kipper Nichols holds offers from Xavier, Penn State, Northwestern, Dayton, San Francisco, St. Joe’s, and Duquesne, while he feels that Xavier and Penn State have worked the hardest on him. He will be attempting to visit Clemson, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Dayton, and Xavier in the coming month.

http://hoopsintel.sportswar.com/2014...sunday-report/

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[OSU Flyer]

Kyle Ahrens – ’15 SG Versailles: Ahrens listed Michigan State, Xavier, Dayton and Tennessee as the four schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent conversation with TDP. The 6’5 wing plans on taking a visit to Michigan State in the month of June, and could trim down his official list before the month ends as well.


Derek Pardon – ’15 PF/C Cleveland VASJ: The 6’9 combo post out of Cleveland has gained a lot of exposure recently between playing alongside Carlton Bragg in the winter, and then in the Nike EYBL with King James in the spring. Recruiting has been on the up and up for Pardon, as Xavier, Dayton, Pittsburgh, Northwestern and several mid-major programs have extended offers his way. With his size and rebounding/shot-blocking ability, look for Pardon to be even more heavily recruited by the end of the summer.

Kipper Nichols – ’15 SF Cleveland St. Edward: Like Pardon, Ahmad and several of the other 2015’s out of the Cleveland area, the later part of the winter and the entire spring have been good to Nichols. The versatile combo forward has attracted new offers from Penn State, Xavier, Northwestern and Clemson, as well as interest from Ohio State, Wisconsin and Cincinnati. With several mid-major offers already on his plate, look for Nichols to attract more offers at the upper mid-major and high-major levels throughout July.


http://tripledoubleprospects.com/201...uiting-update/

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[lhsgolf19]

Kyle Ahrens has committed to MSU

[Sea Bass]

not often the Flyers are going to win against a B10 team. As the recruitment of Bess, Ahrens, LeVert and Dawkins demonstrates.

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by thirt getting hallice cooke or eron harris would qualify as a more favorable outcome in my book. I'm thinking one of the reasons cole huff took us off his list was because of us landing detwon rogers. The next month should be interesting at least. posted via mobile device

achieved! wrong Cooke, but right Result ~

[momszer]

Achieved what Flyer86? Wrong Cooke we got Charles not Hallice.

[BallgameJohnny]

Very surprised Ahrens went to MSU, MSU seems to be reaching on recruits lately.

[lhsgolf19]

Most people should know that with Cooke transferring in... 1 left for 2014 and we have 2 available for 2015

I really like this season's upcoming team, but the team that we could put on the floor after next season could be filthy

[OSU Flyer]

I'd imagine if that at least one of the potential scholarships is gonna be a PF/Post type of guy.

Hurts not getting Ahrens but with Cooke now and Davis coming there's some depth at 1-3 built up for a couple years

[rollo]

On May 2, priceg said:

Originally Posted by priceg75 We're not getting Ahrens or Nichols. Hopefully we have a good plan B.

so he's 1 fer 1...with Nichols' on deck.

[OSU Flyer]

I could be wrong but feeling from looking around is that Nichols, Raymond Spalding, Esa Ahmad are probably aren't happening

Maybe Aaron Falzon and Padron from Cleveland are still in play at PF

Wagner and Williams from Wayne I think might end up on Dayton's radar if they strike out with some of these top guys

[UDDoug]

Many said Michigan reached on Caris Levert.
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[San Diego Flyer]

Some thought MSU settled for Travis Trice. It will take a solid Senior year to prove them wrong. He showed some spark late in the season but so far a career as a support guy.

[steve]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Some thought MSU settled for Travis Trice. It will take a solid Senior year to prove them wrong. He showed some spark late in the season but so far a career as a support guy.

I never understood that offer and especially a rather early one. MSU prides itself on tough and physical players it seems at all positions. TT is a finesse player and really has no elite attributes. Good shooter, yes, but not real good in any one thing, IMHO.

[bcross]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Some thought MSU settled for Travis Trice. It will take a solid Senior year to prove them wrong. He showed some spark late in the season but so far a career as a support guy.

Trice has already proven them wrong. He's averaged around 20 mpg in each of his three seasons, which is a little more than support player. People predicted he would transfer out because he wouldn't get the playing time, which hasn't been the case.

[Sea Bass]

Pardon to Northwestern.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Pardon to Northwestern.

Seems like recruiting at NW might be on the uptick, they also landed ESPN top 100 recruit Victor Law in their 2014 recruiting class.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Most people should know that with Cooke transferring in... 1 left for 2014 and we have 2 available for 2015

Doesn't that leave 1 for 2014 and only 1 more for 2015? We have 12 on scholarship now for this coming season, leaving one more for 2014, and the only player we lose next year is Sibert.

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by longtimefan Doesn't that leave 1 for 2014 and only 1 more for 2015? We have 12 on scholarship now for this coming season, leaving one more for 2014, and the only player we lose next year is Sibert.

That's what I am saying... we have 12 on schollie this year (1 left to give and when sibert graduates we will have 11 on the roster (so 2 available)

[OSU Flyer]

Kipper Nichols – ’15 Cleveland St. Edward SF: The highest profile wing prospect available in the state with the recent commitment of Kyle Ahrens, Nichols took a visit to Xavier over the weekend. Given the style of play and proximity to Cleveland that Xavier offers, it is logical to say that the Musketeers are the front-runners in Nichols’ recruitment heading into July.

http://tripledoubleprospects.com/201...-northwestern/

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Kipper Nichols – ’15 Cleveland St. Edward SF: The highest profile wing prospect available in the state with the recent commitment of Kyle Ahrens, Nichols took a visit to Xavier over the weekend. Given the style of play and proximity to Cleveland that Xavier offers, it is logical to say that the Musketeers are the front-runners in Nichols’ recruitment heading into July. http://tripledoubleprospects.com/201...-northwestern/

Really? Xavier's proximity to Cleveland?

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Biggest Stock Booster: Kipper Nichols/King James 2015 Kipper Nichols holds offers from Xavier, Penn State, Northwestern, Dayton, San Francisco, St. Joe’s, and Duquesne, while he feels that Xavier and Penn State have worked the hardest on him. He will be attempting to visit Clemson, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Dayton, and Xavier in the coming month. http://hoopsintel.sportswar.com/2014...sunday-report/

This update from just two weeks ago listed Penn State and Xavier as the schools working the hardest on Kipper at that time. Looking at just those two, it's very plausible he might choose Xavier over Penn State. But proximity shouldn't have much to do with it. Penn State is pretty much the exact same distance from Cleveland as Xavier is.

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer We should probably start following this deal http://highschoolsports.cleveland.co...ipper-nichols/

And dredging this link back up, note that his very first offer came from Archie Miller. Though Dayton may not have been working the hardest at that moment he was asked a couple weeks ago (while we were going hard after transfers), I wouldn't discount Dayton in this. Something to be said for the program that showed they believed in him well before these other schools.

Oh, and guess what -- Dayton is closer to Cleveland than either Happy Valley or Cincy.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[BallgameJohnny]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Many said Michigan reached on Caris Levert. Posted via Mobile Device

Michigan was at a whole different level when they took Lavert, now they are more of an elite level or at least playing at that level. MSU was at an elite level and started taking recruits like Trice and now Ahrens, I personally think it signals a downturn in the program overall.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by BallgameJohnny Michigan was at a whole different level when they took Lavert, now they are more of an elite level or at least playing at that level. MSU was at an elite level and started taking recruits like Trice and now Ahrens, I personally think it signals a downturn in the program overall.

It appeared to me that Kyle was not even close to his physical or skill level of the past in his King James tour. He claims he is 85%; I hope for his sake he is able to regain the edge, because in those videos he looked slow and weak.

[OSU Flyer]

a healthy Ahrens is a top 100 player imo. he has good athleticism

[lhsgolf19]

Zach Fleer ‏@ZachFleerLGHL 5m

'15 Huber Heights Wayne forward Xeyrius Williams tells me he has received an offer from Dayton. Visited today.

[lhsgolf19]

Williams instagram photo

http://instagram.com/p/pC4c9GCpcn/#

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

No rating on Rivals - not showing interests or offers
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[OSU Flyer]

some older tweet about him

Zach Fleer‏@ZachFleerLGHL24m
Xeyrius Williams putting on a complete offensive clinic. Scoring from the wing and mid-range

Zach Fleer‏@ZachFleerLGHL38m
Xeyrius Williams is going to blow up the scene this year in Ohio's 2015 class. Not too many 6'7's can move like him

[OSU Flyer]

Xeyrius Williams (6'7 SF/PF, 2015):

Built like Indiana Pacers guard Paul George, Williams had a performance reminiscent to the Indiana rising star. Long and athletic, Williams is a matchup nightmare for defenses, as his height is too much for guards to handle, while his quickness overpowers most forwards. The 6'7 wing runs the floor very well, while also being an acrobatic finisher in transition. Away from the offensive side of the floor, Williams is also a patient defender, which helps him stay grounded on pump fakes to block a higher percentage of shots. The junior is a prospect with a great deal of upside, and is only scratching the service of his potential. An incredible student in the classroom, Williams has heard from the likes of Butler, Harvard, Penn, and Stanford, among many others.

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/201...-heights-wayne

[THirt]

VerbalCommits lists offers from several MAC schools (Buffalo, Toledo, OU, Kent), Lehigh, Wright State and others. Scout lists him as 3 stars.

If Archie likes him, I like him! (Even if his name starts with the letter between W and Y)
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[soccergod]

Originally Posted by Gilchrist's Autograph 2 No rating on Rivals - not showing interests or offers Posted via Mobile Device

Xeyrius Williams has offers from Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo, St Bonaventure, Lehigh ,and interest from Penn St , Iowa among others .

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[OSU Flyer]

from a butler board

http://butlerhoops.com/forum/showthr...p?t=489&page=6

Xeyrius Williams
6-foot-8, 200-pound
PF/SF 2015
Williams was at the King James Shooting Stars Classic. ESPN reported him as one of the fastest rising prospects in the Midwest, stated is a very skilled 4-man trying to make himself into a small forward. Good shooter out to 20 ft, score and create some off the dribble. Williams is getting mid-major interest right now, but could expand to hm level as he continues to improve, which I believe explains Butler's interest in him. If he becomes more of a 3 than 4, he could really be a matchup nightmare.

I just noted the main points from an ESPN blog post (just copied the measurements), http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbr...l/post?id=9963 (insider subscription required).