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Old 04-17-2019, 02:08 PM
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Source: Dayton's Obi Toppin will enter the 2019 NBA Draft.

Not really a surprise, see what feedback he gets... Before people freak out, he has until May 29th to come back
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No big deal. He’s not even listed in the top 100 of potential draft choices. He has nothing to lose by getting feedback and improving his game next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if AG actually recommend this.
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If you're on the radar you absolutely should test the water. Just like with Kostas though, I don't believe he's ready. Depends if he thinks he's got a better chance to develop on an NBA bench or D league than starting in the NCAA.
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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.
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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.

He also said "Throughout this process I’ll be keeping my eligibility"
If he sends a stronger signal than this, NBA scouts may not take him very seriously.


I seriously doubt that he's going anywhere next year.
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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.
Important point, he said he is retaining his eligibility. He’s not projected to be drafted in the first or second round.
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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.

But one of his last lines is... "Throughout this process I’ll be keeping my eligibility." So sounds to me like he is just testing the waters.
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Kostas stopped going to classes. Any word on whether Obi is keeping up with his studies?
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Kostas stopped going to classes. Any word on whether Obi is keeping up with his studies?
I am pretty confident if he plans to stay eligible throughout the process, he is still going to class, or he wouldn't be eligible.
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This should surprise no one; He'd be stupid to not put his name in, gauge feedback, then make a decision.
Yes, nothing to lose. Since he’s not listed as a top 100 draft prospect this is about gauging where he currently stands and what to work on.
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:19 PM
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His mom wanted him to stay in school. I hope she hasn't changed her mind. If he does go this would be just another in a long list of "what could have been" for UD.
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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.
I agree. Just because (we think) he shouldn't go, doesn't mean he won't.

"I’ll be keeping my eligibility" sounds like a last resort when I read that post in its entirety.
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"Obi is taking advantage of the new NCAA rules to make the best decision for himself and his family," Flyer head coach Anthony Grant said. "He is an enjoyable young man to coach, and has worked very hard for this opportunity to see where he is at this stage of his career. We will work closely with Obi throughout the process and support whatever decision he makes."
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Don't blame him a bit but the quandry this puts the coaches in cannot be ignored. The longer he decides to test the waters the more the coaches have to try to recruit/sign a JUCO or grad transfer to take his place. If there's a BIG or skilled big out there today I'm looking at him alot harder at him than I was hours/days ago unless the coaches already knew this several days ago.
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I posted months ago in a guess that Obi would opt into the draft at the end of his Sophomore year. Maybe I was just hoping. He has a lot of growing to do on the court, but his progress is hard to ignore. And throwing his hat in the ring early will enhance his chances of some team taking a flyer (ha) on him in the late second round. Unlike Kostas who snagged a spot based on his name, Obi could go late in the second based more on his abundant skills and athleticism, not to mention his steep learning curve.
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I hope he's back next year, but if he manages to get drafted I will only wish him well. Only rd 1 picks get guaranteed money, so unless he blows up the combine he's taking a risk. Obi doesn't have a 9 figure brother as a safety net.
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if he's planning on leaving with a second round draft choice then he's an absolute fool and would be better off not even getting drafted and going as a free agent. Only first-round money is guaranteed so I hope he sets his goals a lot higher. If what is true that he wasn't really even listed among the top 50 or 60 players then there is no way with all the international players that he is going in round one.

Both the selfishness in me and the objectivity in me say he needs to stay for another year to develop his defense and to show his mid-range jumper facing the bucket. If he does that he could be a top 15 to 25 player in another year with his athleticism. Definitely going to have to show more as a small forward in the league.

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That didn't read like a "I'm just testing the waters." By saying thank you to all , he sounded like he was headed somewhere.
I didn’t take it that way. Add in his mama’s wishes that he stay, I think he’s back next year. Just my $.02
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Only rd 1 picks get guaranteed money, so unless he blows up the combine he's taking a risk.
There is a risk to either decision.

I think the risk of staying is magnified at his age.

I'll discount the injury factor completely here...

Obi could come back and have a monster season next year numbers-wise and still not elevate his stock in the eyes of NBA scouts ... if he doesn't show anything new.

What are the chances Obi shoots 67% from the field and 52% from deep next year?

If he doesn't show anything new, he looks more to the scouts like a guy that has hit his ceiling and oh by the way, he'll be 22 years old. (Right or wrong, they'll take the 19 year old with more hypothetical upside every day of the week.)

If he plays great at the camps, he could intrigue teams to the point where he'd be silly not to go this year.

Will he be able to start beating defenders off the dribble consistently? That would elevate his stock.

Can he show that he has the lateral quickness to switch and guard anyone on the floor? That would elevate his stock.

Can he hit 40+% on volume three's? That would help.

But Obi putting on a dunk fest against the A-10 won't improve his stock.
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There is a risk to either decision.

I think the risk of staying is magnified at his age.

I'll discount the injury factor completely here...

Obi could come back and have a monster season next year numbers-wise and still not elevate his stock in the eyes of NBA scouts ... if he doesn't show anything new.

What are the chances Obi shoots 67% from the field and 52% from deep next year?

If he doesn't show anything new, he looks more to the scouts like a guy that has hit his ceiling and oh by the way, he'll be 22 years old. (Right or wrong, they'll take the 19 year old with more hypothetical upside every day of the week.)

If he plays great at the camps, he could intrigue teams to the point where he'd be silly not to go this year.

Will he be able to start beating defenders off the dribble consistently? That would elevate his stock.

Can he show that he has the lateral quickness to switch and guard anyone on the floor? That would elevate his stock.

Can he hit 40+% on volume three's? That would help.

But Obi putting on a dunk fest against the A-10 won't improve his stock.
Agree about the age being a factor. He's gone sooner rather than later
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There is a risk to either decision.

I think the risk of staying is magnified at his age.

I'll discount the injury factor completely here...

Obi could come back and have a monster season next year numbers-wise and still not elevate his stock in the eyes of NBA scouts ... if he doesn't show anything new.

What are the chances Obi shoots 67% from the field and 52% from deep next year?

If he doesn't show anything new, he looks more to the scouts like a guy that has hit his ceiling and oh by the way, he'll be 22 years old. (Right or wrong, they'll take the 19 year old with more hypothetical upside every day of the week.)

If he plays great at the camps, he could intrigue teams to the point where he'd be silly not to go this year.

Will he be able to start beating defenders off the dribble consistently? That would elevate his stock.

Can he show that he has the lateral quickness to switch and guard anyone on the floor? That would elevate his stock.

Can he hit 40+% on volume three's? That would help.

But Obi putting on a dunk fest against the A-10 won't improve his stock.
Many excellent points. I hope he returns for selfish reasons. If he does there is a path to an improved draft status without eye stunning increased stats- and that is if he leads the Flyers to a Sweet 16 next season. Who knows- he may have the team around him to accomplish just that.
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He took an extra year in HS and then sat out his freshmen year for academic reasons. Not likely a gifted scholar going to get a degree and take the traditional professional career track. Who would blame him for looking to pro ball ASAP.
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He took an extra year in HS and then sat out his freshmen year for academic reasons. Not likely a gifted scholar going to get a degree and take the traditional professional career track. Who would blame him for looking to pro ball ASAP.
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What still has not become clear yet from the NBA assessments is whether a kid could come out of it thinking that even if he was not drafted, he would be better served working on his game full time in the G League. Part of me thinks that is a very real threat, part of me thinks that would alienate college coaches to the point that the NBA would not go that route, and part thinks with the 1 and Done rule heading toward extinction basketball may be heading into a turbulent competition between the NBA/G League and college. If a transition is actively occurring, it could impact a kid like Obi.

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Over 100 underclassmen have declared for the NBA draft. Add to that all the graduating seniors and foreign players. A lot of applicants for not too many spots.
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Over 100 underclassmen have declared for the NBA draft. Add to that all the graduating seniors and foreign players. A lot of applicants for not too many spots.
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What still has not become clear yet from the NBA assessments is whether a kid could come out of it thinking that even if he was not drafted, he would be better served working on his game full time in the G League. Part of me thinks that is a very real threat, part of me thinks that would alienate college coaches to the point that the NBA would not go that route, and part thinks with the 1 and Done rule heading toward extinction basketball may be heading into a turbulent competition between the NBA/G League and college. If a transition is actively occurring, it could impact a kid like Obi.

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This is what concerns me too. At some point playing for a G league team that is working for an NBA team will be a more efficient development path for a player seeking an NBA career. It will also be the first place Europe and other places outside the US will start looking to upgrade their rosters.

Obi though is probably in a position where staying at UD one more year is his best option. Instead of being one out of a hundred or two players trying to earn their way from farm team to main roster, he has a legitimate shot at being one of college's best big men next season and skipping the development league for a very nice contract.
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I am not a big believer in G-League development. The value of sticking around for one more year and potentially making yourself a first round pick makes so much more sense that going to the G-League, it isn't even worth talking about. How many guys have gone to the G-League for one year or less and become an NBA starter? I am sure there are some but they are still making pennies in comparison to first round draft picks.

What did Kostas get out of a year in G-League? 11 minutes of playing time and 2 points. He won't be getting rich next year either. What might have happened if he would have stuck around for another year? We will never know, but he didn't learn enough in the G-League to get a shot even at the end of the year with a poor team.

Obi needs to stick around for another year at a minimum. Yes, he looked unstoppable at times this year, but he also had games where he was overmatched. If he is overmatched in the A10 what happens in the NBA where most guys are at least as good as he is?
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Does anyone know how much coaches make in the G League? If I had to venture a guess, I would say much less than they do at places like UD.

Does anyone know how good the training facilities are? Again, if I had to guess I would say that places like UD provide better access to the tools and equipment players need to train and develop physically.

How about travel, accommodations, social life, friends, parties, and yes, education?

In every respect, it seems to me that college is a much better place to develop than the G League. Don't even mention compensation...the League salary of $35K/year is about half the benefit package of a full ride at a University like UD.

I really don't see anything in the G League that would compel a player to bolt early, and unless Obi is drafted in the first round, the best thing for his continued development is to come back to UD for at least another year.
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The key to the NBA is getting your second contract that's where the real money is

Hassan Whiteside left Marshall early, got drafted in the second round, bounced around overseas and the D League.

Hassan now:

Current Contract. Hassan Whiteside signed a 4 year / $98,419,538 contract with the Miami Heat, including $98,419,538 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $24,604,885.


The older you are, the harder it's gonna be to get that big second contract. Most guys aren't Lebron getting big deals in your 30s. The odds are you're out of the league in your early 30s

Obi's 21 now, the longer it takes him to get a second contract the less his odds of getting a bigger deal
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all in all, good for Obi especially with the new rules...maybe he can get some advise from NBA people, on what he needs to improve on...

not much importance anymore on going for a school scoring record, is there?
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There's several teams with multiple picks late in the first round like the Spurs, Nets and Celtics.

Assuming they don't deal those picks, an extra 1st rounder lets you take a gamble on someone

I can't see him leaving unless he got a first round grantee.

Always remember the NBA drafts on potential. Robert Williams was a 1st round pick with the Celtics last year after averaging 10ppg for Texas A&M
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This is what concerns me too. At some point playing for a G league team that is working for an NBA team will be a more efficient development path for a player seeking an NBA career. It will also be the first place Europe and other places outside the US will start looking to upgrade their rosters.

Obi though is probably in a position where staying at UD one more year is his best option. Instead of being one out of a hundred or two players trying to earn their way from farm team to main roster, he has a legitimate shot at being one of college's best big men next season and skipping the development league for a very nice contract.
Players need to think clearly about G league. If you don't develop there you get put out on the street and then it's good luck wherever you land. Not saying that coaches don't do some sleazy things to players in the NCAA in terms of pulling scholarships but by in large you got 4 years to work it out. Plus at the end you ostensibly get an education unless of course you play for UNC and didn't actually have to go to class!

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I am not a big believer in G-League development. The value of sticking around for one more year and potentially making yourself a first round pick makes so much more sense that going to the G-League, it isn't even worth talking about. How many guys have gone to the G-League for one year or less and become an NBA starter? I am sure there are some but they are still making pennies in comparison to first round draft picks.

What did Kostas get out of a year in G-League? 11 minutes of playing time and 2 points. He won't be getting rich next year either. What might have happened if he would have stuck around for another year? We will never know, but he didn't learn enough in the G-League to get a shot even at the end of the year with a poor team.

Obi needs to stick around for another year at a minimum. Yes, he looked unstoppable at times this year, but he also had games where he was overmatched. If he is overmatched in the A10 what happens in the NBA where most guys are at least as good as he is?
Yep! Not too mention that is a business and there are plenty of players. The biggest risk is injury otherwise I don't see the upside. At the end of 4 years at a college you'll have a degree. The other route you may have nothing.
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Yep! Not too mention that is a business and there are plenty of players. The biggest risk is injury otherwise I don't see the upside. At the end of 4 years at a college you'll have a degree. The other route you may have nothing.
I do agree with you, but look at it from the player's standpoint. They are confident in their ability to make it, and make life changing dollars. On the other hand, some believe, I got a degree in some liberal arts major with a mediocre GPA and that may not get me a job or career, and certainly not at life changing pay.
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Got a feeling Obi sticks around another year. Not too bad to be able to showcase yourself against players not quite as good as you to increase your value, work on the things you need to work on and NOT become a potential lost commodity in the D league and get another 50k or so paid towards your education..
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I do agree with you, but look at it from the player's standpoint. They are confident in their ability to make it, and make life changing dollars. On the other hand, some believe, I got a degree in some liberal arts major with a mediocre GPA and that may not get me a job or career, and certainly not at life changing pay.
I don't disagree. Can be life changing money and if you're good enough you can always come back and finish a degree if that's important. I just think some of these players hear the chatter, get bad advice, and wash out of the G league in 2 years. I don't know the stats behind it but I'm guessing given the number of spots in the NBA that it's more often the case that these guys wash out go play in an overseas league than make it to the NBA. BRob made it happen from overseas so who knows but maybe that is also atypical, but he also finished his degree.
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Players need to think clearly about G league. If you don't develop there you get put out on the street and then it's good luck wherever you land. Not saying that coaches don't do some sleazy things to players in the NCAA in terms of pulling scholarships but by in large you got 4 years to work it out. Plus at the end you ostensibly get an education unless of course you play for UNC and didn't actually have to go to class!
Yep, that's also true. If things aren't progressing the way they need to in college, it's in the program's interest to work on righting the ship. In G league a player could be more disposable.
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I am not a big believer in G-League development. The value of sticking around for one more year and potentially making yourself a first round pick makes so much more sense that going to the G-League, it isn't even worth talking about. How many guys have gone to the G-League for one year or less and become an NBA starter? I am sure there are some but they are still making pennies in comparison to first round draft picks.

What did Kostas get out of a year in G-League? 11 minutes of playing time and 2 points. He won't be getting rich next year either. What might have happened if he would have stuck around for another year? We will never know, but he didn't learn enough in the G-League to get a shot even at the end of the year with a poor team.
This is true currently, but the G-league is light years better than it was 5 years ago. It may take another 5 years but it will eventually be a legitimate development league
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The G-League does have success stories. Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, Jeremy Lin, Marcin Gortat, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson.

I think if you're gonna be good, you're gonna be good. I don't think being in the G League, spending an extra year in college or going overseas is gonna make that much of a difference. I think it's all about the talent you have and the work you're putting in
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Has anyone seen Obi pop up on ANY mock drafts? I haven’t. I’m actually surprised. I live in Utah. We took Grayson Allen in the first round last year. I see Obi as a guy who can have far more lives g term impact than a guy like Grayson.
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The d league salary is being raised to $7k per month. May be very enticing to kids earning nothing.
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That is not much different than what a D-1 college basketball player makes. Figure $50K a year (8 months) free tuition and board, plus free travel, etc. If you factor in tuition being non-taxable, $7K per month is a pay cut.
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Obi could benefit from the G League

I just posted an update on Kostas A. Mavs are liking him sooner rather than later. His meager G League earnings probably won't stand in his way of another good season with the Frisco Legends.

Kostas is likely to have a limited line of credit with Giannis if he is short on cash, something Obi may not be privy to.

Lots of moving parts for both players. What a dream it would have been to have both Obi and Kostas on next season's roster.
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Sir SDF,

I hope you're right, but I found it interesting that Kostas was on the Mavs bench for the last week of the season and stayed there despite the Mavs being out of the playoffs and having nothing to lose (except games) by playing him.

Most teams who are only factoring in lottery ping-pong balls have no problem playing their bench and 2-way players a ton the last week or two of the season. By not playing him, I got the impression that he's not part of their immediate future and certainly isn't trade bait.
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That is not much different than what a D-1 college basketball player makes. Figure $50K a year (8 months) free tuition and board, plus free travel, etc. If you factor in tuition being non-taxable, $7K per month is a pay cut.
But you cant buy pizza, clothes, or a car with free tuition.
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But you cant buy pizza, clothes, or a car with free tuition.
Don't they eat for free in the dining hall? And at least while in season they get quite a bit of $ for meal allowances when they are on the road. Wish I had all of that when I was in college.
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$7k/month, minus taxes, for half a year would barely cover 3 neck tats and isn't going to entice anyone with any talent.
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Can't actually believe that I am saying this but, I agree with maddog. If a player is not that interested in college, being paid to play in the d-league could be atttactive.
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Actually its 5 months not 6. And this increase was announced a year ago for the
18-19 season. 35,000 dollars a year less rent for a place to stay and grocery bill and a car to drive is not much of a lure.
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Everyone involved with Obi has a biased perspective...coaches, NBA recruiters, his friends and fans. To filter out the bias, he needs a "rabbi" that would act in his best interest. Maybe his high school coach or mature relative (parents?).
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ESPN Mock Draft today...

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Grant is no slouch when it comes to understanding how the NBA works. I have no doubt he’s involved in helping Obi sift through the decision-making process. As much as coaches want their best players in the lineup, he’d probably be the first to push Obi out if there’s a legitimate life-changing contract awaiting his signature.
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PLEASE NOTE - That is the 2020 Mock Draft, NOT 2019.

Kind of a MASSIVE difference.

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Isn’t that actually a 2020 mock draft? It also tags Obi as a player likely to withdraw from the 2019 draft. Regardless, it shows just how close he could come to being a first-round pick, perhaps with another season of development. Whether that’s in school or elsewhere remains to be seen.
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PLEASE NOTE - That is the 2020 Mock Draft, NOT 2019.

Kind of a MASSIVE difference.
Good catch i missed that- with a massive season next year (assuming he comes back)- he’ll vastly improve his position imho.
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I should have known better...

My bad...I took the link from the DDN...more fake news! The #32 LaMelo Ball pick should have tipped me off.

I feel so dirty...like an MSNBC host!

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My bad...I took the link from the DDN...more fake news! The #32 LaMelo Ball pick should have tipped me off.

I feel so dirty...like an MSNBC host!

UGH!
Yeah, even the link to Jablonski's DDN article seems to miss it, all the while including a tweet of the 2020 Mock Draft reference..
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Having one-and-done and two-and-done big men might help recruiting just a little bit.
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Format of the ESPN draft was a little confusing, however the DDN should have been a bit more careful in it's reporting. Sometimes people read what they want to see instead of what is actually written. Happens all the time in the comment sections of on line news and social media crap.
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The 80 invites for the NBA Draft Combine are normally made public within the first 10 days of May. Once that happens, we'll have much more clarity as to who has a chance of being drafted. Remember, invites include both seniors and foreign prospects in addition to underclassmen.
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$7k/month, minus taxes, for half a year would barely cover 3 neck tats and isn't going to entice anyone with any talent.
It's not much money, but it's more than $0. At the end of the day he needs to figure out where he think he will develop. If it seems pretty even, the money is a nice bonus.

There are more NBA eyes on the G League than on the A10
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It's not much money, but it's more than $0. At the end of the day he needs to figure out where he think he will develop. If it seems pretty even, the money is a nice bonus.

There are more NBA eyes on the G League than on the A10
No school vs basketball full time I think is probably the biggest factor
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The G-League does have success stories. Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, Jeremy Lin, Marcin Gortat, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson.

I think if you're gonna be good, you're gonna be good. I don't think being in the G League, spending an extra year in college or going overseas is gonna make that much of a difference. I think it's all about the talent you have and the work you're putting in
Development wise, I agree with that. A difference though is that college basketball produces new stars every year that get their profile raised, especially those who do it in March madness. That kind of exposure and name recognition doesn't happen in the G League. If Obi plays like he did all year in the 2nd half of the season and does nothing more but be a little more consistent while leading UD to a sweet 16 run, then his profile is much higher going into the 2020 draft.

Whatever he chooses, i'll be rooting for him, but my honest (if biased) opinion is that UD is primed for something special next year and he could be at the forefront of that and get the bulk of the spotlight that brings.
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I believe your last paragraph is very true Duke. I think Dayton will have a season next year that will get everybody a ton of hype.

I also know that from a strictly basketball standpoint, 80 hours a week with the practice gym/games/training table/workouts/doctors/trainers/film room is a lot more valuable than what one can get in college. Without the burden of academics.

But you walk a fine line. When the NBA drafts on potential, you want to be careful not to prove to them that you CAN'T do it.
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Sir SDF,

I hope you're right, but I found it interesting that Kostas was on the Mavs bench for the last week of the season and stayed there despite the Mavs being out of the playoffs and having nothing to lose (except games) by playing him.

Most teams who are only factoring in lottery ping-pong balls have no problem playing their bench and 2-way players a ton the last week or two of the season. By not playing him, I got the impression that he's not part of their immediate future and certainly isn't trade bait.
They say often it's always about the money. Think for once this time it isn't about the money. He is getting good advice from somebody, and mentoring from family. And probably a line of credit from Giannis if he needs it, which I seriously doubt. He's not about to put a down payment on a Bentley like some of the NBA schmucks.

The Mavs are having orgasms over Porzingis, Doncic, and a 3rd major piece to be acquired in the summer. That's the short term plan. Plus they got a real good look at other pieces
of the puzzle when Doncic and Porzingis got hurt at the end of the season.

Kostas is in their third phase, and only if he keeps improving. But he beat out his main competitor in Ray Spalding, which guarantees him a few more months until the draft. Then who knows? And Rick Carlisle likes him. Then there's that.
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Here's another thought. Obi has one year of prep school, one year of sitting out, and one year of playing. He may be very close to getting a degree within one year. So he stays, plays, graduates, and improves his draft stock. Everyone wins.
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Doubtful he got any college credit in prep school, else he wouldn’t have sat out a year as an academic casualty. That year was likely mostly remedial. I expect he’s still a loooong way from a degree, even in “Discover Arts”, whatever the heck that is.
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even in “Discover Arts”, whatever the heck that is.
Undecided has no structure or programming - "Discover Arts" majors take a range of courses in different colleges and working with an advisor "discover" the major that best fits the students needs and interests
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I expect he’s still a loooong way from a degree, even in “Discover Arts”, whatever the heck that is.
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Undecided has no structure or programming - "Discover Arts" majors take a range of courses in different colleges and working with an advisor "discover" the major that best fits the students needs and interests
'Discover' Arts, Discover Engineering, Discover Business...they are all options for Freshman and Sophomores as they decide which path in their intended School of _______ to follow.

Like I said, Discover Engineering is an option: https://udayton.edu/engineering/unde...ring/index.php

"As a member of the Discover Engineering program at the University of Dayton, you will explore the academic programs in the School of Engineering before finalizing your major. With the help of a semester-long seminar and the assistance of your Student Success adviser, you'll discover the area of engineering that's right for you while staying on track academically."

So it may sound like a diluted General Studies option for athletes, but in reality it's designed to keep students moving towards 'completion' (graduation) by keeping them with an advisor and not just bouncing around taking classes that lead to nowhere and no degree.
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Then apparently he has yet to “Discover” his major. Accordingly, he is likely still a loooong way from a degree.
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Then apparently he has yet to “Discover” his major. Accordingly, he is likely still a loooong way from a degree.
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Like every other 2nd year full-time student, at the end of the month he'll be at least half way towards his degree.
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I remember attending the 99 graduation of some friends. There were a couple of kids that graduated "undeclared" and even more shockingly, at least to me, was the 2 kids that graduated "undecided" How the flip do you get a bachelors in "undecided"?
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So maddog07, you seem to have a keen interest in Obi's education as you have brought this up a number of times always downplaying his mental ability. I am curious where you received your degree, type and awards. Just trying to get a better feel why you are so heavily invested.
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So maddog07, you seem to have a keen interest in Obi's education as you have brought this up a number of times always downplaying his mental ability. I am curious where you received your degree, type and awards. Just trying to get a better feel why you are so heavily invested.
I have a UD degree and an MBA.

I have no opinion re Obi’s mental ability. But his considerable lack of academic success is undeniable and could well be a factor in whether he continues to matriculate at UD.
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...But his considerable lack of academic success is undeniable
What makes you think his education is (a) lacking and (b) it's undeniable? Did sWimpy tell you??
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What makes you think his education is (a) lacking and (b) it's undeniable? Did sWimpy tell you??
Could it be because he always assumes the worst? You’d be hard pressed to find a single Maddog post that has even a hint of a positive vibe. He’s certainly entitled to his opinions, but that’s all they are — speculative opinions.
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I've heard from more than one person who knows far more than I do regarding the program that he's not a real lover of school and class..
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I have 3 degrees (2 from UD, 1 from UC) and am on the record as being 'not a lover of school and class'.

Which means nothing. What does mean something is UDs commitment to their student athletes, their graduation % and the NCAA's eligibility requirements that in order to play, you must be making substantial progress toward a degree.
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I've heard from more than one person who knows far more than I do regarding the program that he's not a real lover of school and class..
Someone tried to post that on another board and then quickly retracted when they found out it was bogus info. He may or may not love class. Doesn't matter. All that matters is he attends and completes his work. I hated class when I was in college. Couldn't wait to get out. Still got a degree.
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