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Scheduling Theory/NCAA Seeding/Etc.

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Can we just change the thread title to UD2 vs. the gang?
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There's some good and worthy discussion to be had on this topic

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For home games schedule teams with a projected RPI under 75 or go for the weakest team you can get. Sounds like it doesn't matter what your RPI is, only your opponent's. Either get a quad 1 or 2 win or don't lose.
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must travel to play quality opponents on the road as home wins at UD arena have been devalued.
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Bruce Rasmussen, selection committee chairman and Creighton athletic director

Dirk is correct in stating that the non-conference SOS has its flaws. It only takes into account the won-lost records of who you played, not where you played the game, not the outcome of the game, and most importantly, not the strength of the team you played. For instance, for non-conference SOS purposes, a game at home against 9-6 Penn has a more positive impact on non-conference SOS than a game on the road against 7-5 Indiana because winning 9/15 games is a better decimal than winning 7/12.

Non-conference SOS is not a predominant tool in selections.


Again, while non-conference SOS is a number referred to by the committee and the public, it is not the non-conference SOS that the committee looks at but the non-conference games with specifics that the committee looks at. Did you give the committee a picture of whether or not you should be in consideration for an at-large spot or a high seed in the tournament if you did not win your conference tournament?
http://www.omaha.com/sports/blogs/ma...1d32c13f9.html

The whole thing is worth reading. Many myths about SOS & RPI propagated in public

it boils down to, Did you collect scalps over the course of the season? Did you challenge yourself in your OOC and provide yourself with a schedule that proves you deserve at an at large bid or a high seed?
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The whole thing is worth reading. Many myths about SOS & RPI propagated in public

it boils down to, Did you collect scalps over the course of the season? Did you challenge yourself in your OOC and provide yourself with a schedule that proves you deserve at an at large bid or a high seed?
The flaw still is that RPI is very important - not yours, but who you play. RPI can be gamed collectively and this is what I believe happens with the P5 conferences. They are able to chalk up more wins collectively in the non-conference part of the schedule and that benefits all its members during the conference season.

The talk all sounds good and makes sense but the goal posts keep moving. I don't disagree that schools like UD need to go out and schedule quality games both at home and on the road but more important than scheduling is still winning some of those and a bunch in conference.
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I'll throw this link in here...with great trepidation. Arch likes to somehow weave Dayton into stories, especially a feel-good one like Wright State's trip to the tourney, when it really isn't the time or place. But if he feels better poking the bear so be it:

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If Memphis gets going under Penny and UConn becomes competitive again along with the 20 game schedule propping up the Nebraskas and Penn States of the world the competition for those at large bids is going up
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Doesn't the women's team play more pre-conference tournaments? I wonder if more games on neutral courts with similar teams makes sense?
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Doesn't the women's team play more pre-conference tournaments? I wonder if more games on neutral courts with similar teams makes sense?
I think the rules are different for men... I believe you can only play in one exempt tournament per year, and cannot play in any individual tourney more than every four years. Neutral site events are different, such as our game against Northwestern a couple years ago... but there are only so many of those around. I know UD wanted to get another neutral game for this past season but couldnít make it work. In general, these events love to have UD involved because of how well our fans travel, and it is a creative way for us to get games against better competition that wouldnít agree to a home and home series.

Anyway, Iím 100% sure UD would like to play more neutral site games, but we are a little limited there. Most bigger schools only want to play in these events if it is another big school.

The preseason tournaments remain by far our best way to get games against P5 schools.
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I think the rules are different for men... I believe you can only play in one exempt tournament per year, and cannot play in any individual tourney more than every four years. Neutral site events are different, such as our game against Northwestern a couple years ago... but there are only so many of those around. I know UD wanted to get another neutral game for this past season but couldnít make it work. In general, these events love to have UD involved because of how well our fans travel, and it is a creative way for us to get games against better competition that wouldnít agree to a home and home series.

Anyway, Iím 100% sure UD would like to play more neutral site games, but we are a little limited there. Most bigger schools only want to play in these events if it is another big school.

The preseason tournaments remain by far our best way to get games against P5 schools.
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Maybe a tournament would not work but like you said, maybe more neutral site games like the Northwestern game done as a header with other schools in the same boat. Instead of Bracket Buster, they could be billed as Bracket Maker games.
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Maybe a tournament would not work but like you said, maybe more neutral site games like the Northwestern game done as a header with other schools in the same boat. Instead of Bracket Buster, they could be billed as Bracket Maker games.
This would be great, and I think UD would happily trade a home game for one of these. There just are not that many opportunities that work. The rumored Ohio Classic with UD/UC/OSU/other would be perfect. A neutral game every year against an AAC/B1G/Big East school? Yes, please.

Otherwise, Iím not sure who would agree... most of the schools that would be worth playing also want/need a certain # of home games. Maybe with Coach Grantís southern ties, we can get a game against an SEC/ACC/AAC type opponent in Tennessee, Carolina, Georgia or somewhere which would be reasonable for the Flyer Faithful to travel.

Better yet, letís get a game at the Q against say, Michigan State (I was unable to think of a realistic team kinda near Cleveland who would be willing to play us and also would be worth it for us to play. Suggestions?)
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This would be great, and I think UD would happily trade a home game for one of these. There just are not that many opportunities that work. The rumored Ohio Classic with UD/UC/OSU/other would be perfect. A neutral game every year against an AAC/B1G/Big East school? Yes, please.

Otherwise, Iím not sure who would agree... most of the schools that would be worth playing also want/need a certain # of home games. Maybe with Coach Grantís southern ties, we can get a game against an SEC/ACC/AAC type opponent in Tennessee, Carolina, Georgia or somewhere which would be reasonable for the Flyer Faithful to travel.

Better yet, letís get a game at the Q against say, Michigan State (I was unable to think of a realistic team kinda near Cleveland who would be willing to play us and also would be worth it for us to play. Suggestions?)
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I think some of the MAC schools may fall into that category. Maybe we would not want to enter into a H/H with them and a one way home game may not have enough quad juice but neutral may be enough.
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This would be great, and I think UD would happily trade a home game for one of these. There just are not that many opportunities that work. The rumored Ohio Classic with UD/UC/OSU/other would be perfect. A neutral game every year against an AAC/B1G/Big East school? Yes, please.

Otherwise, Iím not sure who would agree... most of the schools that would be worth playing also want/need a certain # of home games. Maybe with Coach Grantís southern ties, we can get a game against an SEC/ACC/AAC type opponent in Tennessee, Carolina, Georgia or somewhere which would be reasonable for the Flyer Faithful to travel.

Better yet, letís get a game at the Q against say, Michigan State (I was unable to think of a realistic team kinda near Cleveland who would be willing to play us and also would be worth it for us to play. Suggestions?)
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Bring back the old Rock n' Roll shootout.

Realistically it would have to be a school that recruits that area hard or is looking to bring to a kid back home for a game like North Carolina sometimes does. Cleveland doesn't have a big alumni base for any school in the P5/BE outside of Ohio State. Northeastern Ohio isn't a big recruiting terrority for many schools in the P5 outside of some occasional guys for Michigan State

Davidson lucks out for being in the Charlotte area so they can get some ACC teams that want to play in the biggest city in state and home of many ACC alumni at the Hornet's arena. Our problem with neutral site games is I don't think anyone wants to play in Cincy, CBus or Cleveland. Ohio State wants to play up there occasionally but they don't want to play Dayton
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The Ohio tourney is dead. Gene Smith spoke at whatever the Columbus version of the Agnonis Club and said it's virtually certain they don't have room for it anymore.

They don't want to play more than 23-24 games against high major compeition. They're locked in with the 20 Big 10 games, B10/ACC Challenge, CBS Sports Classic (against either UK, UCLA or UNC), Gavitt Games against the Big East. Smith said anything else would be a high profile made for TV matchup

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We get burned by geography when it comes to scheduling. Dayton area isn't a big recruiting ground and not big enough to have much of an alumni base. George Washington was able to get a H/H with Miami Fla. because Jim Larranaga hits the DMV hard in recruiting. That area puts out so many players teams are more likely to play them in some fashion

LaSalle was able to get Miami to play a neutral site game in Reading, PA because Miami's star freshman Lonnie Walker is from there

A lot of schools will use their football team as bargaining chip for their basketball.
Western Kentucky and Arkansas have agreed to a three-game series over men’s basketball and football which brings the Southeastern Conference’s Razorbacks to E.A. Diddle Arena in 2019-20.

As part of the agreement, the Hilltoppers will travel to Fayetteville, Ark., in 2019 for a single football game and have a home-and-home series in men’s basketball.

Western Kentucky will travel to Fayetteville during the 2018-19 season in men’s basketball and receive a return visit the following season.
Southern Illinois was able to get Indiana play them at home using their football
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So the single most bizarre seed of the NCAA tourney to me and great example how ridiculous things are in favor of the P5/BE is TCU. They got a sixth seed and Lunardi kept them there for a while leading up to selection Sunday.

Let's take a look at TCU's schedule.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...u-horned-frogs

TCU plays 13 games in OOC. They play one P5 team and one road game losing at Vanderbilt (the worst team in the SEC & one of the worst P5 teams this year)

They win the other 12 to 12-1 in OOC. 9 games at home and the only non buy game as which best I can tell is SMU. They beat Nevada on a neutral court and played in an exempt tourney beating St. Bonaventure and New Mexico on a neutral court.

Big 12 play they lose all 4 games against the two best teams in the conference, Kansas and Texas Tech. Swept by Oklahoma. They split with Kansas State, Texas and Baylor. Their best win all year is a home win over West Virginia. 3-6 on the road in the Big 12 against Iowa St the worst team in the league and NIT teams in Oklahoma State & Baylor.

9-9 in the Big 12. 3 road wins all year, 3 neutral courts wins (2 against tourney teams)

Those wins against West Virginia, Nevada, K-State, Texas, Bonnies and some NIT teams it seems what matters.

Kudos to them for playing Nevada on a neutral court but that's a soft OOC schedule especially for a P5. They go 9-9 in conference, don't beat a tourney team on the road with ample chances, don't beat Kansas or Texas Tech and they get a 6th seed. Seems ridiculous

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That's the thing OSUFlyer, way back the committees penalized the like of Syracuse and Va Tech for playing a weak OOC schedule especially lack of OOC road games. Recent committees have only penalized non-P5 for lack of quality OOC games. A .500 P5 record is acceptable even if the non-conference schedule was weak.
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I don't think TCU would have gotten a 6 if they didn't think Nevada and the Bonnies were good wins on a neutral court. That I see as big for us that they see some value in a win over tourney caliber non P5/BE team

From TCU, Oklahoma, Cuse, etc this year. It's about collecting wins over tourney or tourney caliber teams that are at large quality.
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This is a long shot but something that might be able to happen.

North Carolina has played away games to give their seniors a game in or near their home towns. Notably they played at Evansville so Tyler Zeller could have a game near his home in Indiana and played at Northern Iowa to get Marcus Paige a game back near his Iowa hometown.

Sterling Manley for them is going to be a junior next year and is from suburban Columbus. If they don't get something set up with Ohio State we could offer to play a neutral site game against them at Nationwide Arena and give them a home game on top of it.

They've got another guy, Jeremiah Francis, coming in from Columbus next year so that might make them more interested in playing a game there.
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This is a long shot but something that might be able to happen.

North Carolina has played away games to give their seniors a game in or near their home towns. Notably they played at Evansville so Tyler Zeller could have a game near his home in Indiana and played at Northern Iowa to get Marcus Paige a game back near his Iowa hometown.

Sterling Manley for them is going to be a junior next year and is from suburban Columbus. If they don't get something set up with Ohio State we could offer to play a neutral site game against them at Nationwide Arena and give them a home game on top of it.

They've got another guy, Jeremiah Francis, coming in from Columbus next year so that might make them more interested in playing a game there.
I was thinking of whether something similar could be done in Cleveland? A game so someone from NE Ohio could play in front of more family and friends but the team wants somebody better than Clev St, Akron or Kent.
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If Memphis gets going under Penny and UConn becomes competitive again along with the 20 game schedule propping up the Nebraskas and Penn States of the world the competition for those at large bids is going up
Memphis and UCONN are a few years out..otherwise, why fire their coaches
They are both back to the rebuilding stage..Nebraska and Penn State are both football schools...that's a tough b-ball head coach job concerning university support...better examples are St Mary's, USC,Marquette, Indiana, Illinois, Okla
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I was thinking of whether something similar could be done in Cleveland? A game so someone from NE Ohio could play in front of more family and friends but the team wants somebody better than Clev St, Akron or Kent.
North Carolina is the only big school that I know of that'll try to get home games for its seniors. Maybe there are some others out there
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As far as Cleveland goes, the only school I know of interested in playing up there is Ohio State. They've got a bunch of people they're after in NE Ohio the next couples years. Unfortunately I think they'd be happy to play Cleveland State
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So watching the Kansas State game last night I looked up their schedules over the past couple of years.

They played over the course of the past couple years St. Louis H/H, Colorado State at a neutral court in Wichita and at CSU, and started a H/H with Tulsa this year.

Don't know if they'd play us but they at least entertain the idea of playing non P5 Schools H/H
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Saint Mary's is looking to start a home-and-home with a top-75 RPI team, so maybe there is hope that Randy Bennett finally got the message...

there's a picture of what looks like the basketball travelers website with St. Mary's request for a game
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A couple of questions,
Outside of the Bahamas, what nonconference games are scheduled? Mississippi State at home and Auburn on the road? Secondly, Will the Atlantic 10 make pod adjustments to giving historically top teams an opportunity to have more quad one opportunities and less quad four opportunities? To me, that could accomplish two things. First, keep teams that may be a threat of leaving in the conference, and secondly, not so subtly tell other teams, shape up or prepared to be a second-class citizen in the conference? Think a sort of internal relegation system like they use in the European soccer leagues.
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That's all that I know of right now about next years schedule. The only thing to add that folks might not know here is that we'll get an Atlantis on the Mainland game (a 4th one from the tourney) against a buy game caliber opponent.

Absolutely agree on the second point ferd. In the junior year of the Cooke/KD/KP/Scooch class we got stuck playing Fordham/Duquesne/LaSalle H/H when any reasonable observer would have estimated that was a tourney caliber team. We played VCU once that year

It costs not only Quad wins but attractive games for TV for the league

It seems like we're tethered to Duquesne and St. Louis for H/Hs. I certainly hope this changes. I'm fine with each conference team having a semi permanent H/H partner like St Louis for Dayton but to be stuck playing Duquesne every year is ridiculous to me

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Will the Atlantic 10 make pod adjustments to giving historically top teams an opportunity to have more quad one opportunities and less quad four opportunities?
Probably not. It makes too much sense.
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http://www.wccsports.com/sports/m-ba...032618aaa.html

So this is interesting and likely a ploy to keep Gonzaga in the WCC. They've reduced the number of conference games from 18 to 16

Additionally, starting with the 2019-20 season, WCC men’s basketball programs will be required to compete in a multi-team event (MTE) each season, annually play more home games than away games, and schedule and play no more than two non-Division I opponents per season. In addition, the Conference must approve all “guarantee” games in which a WCC member is paid by an opponent to play at the opponent’s venue.
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So this is interesting and likely a ploy to keep Gonzaga in the WCC. They've reduced the number of conference games from 18 to 16
Is it that easy to get into a MTE every season?
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Neil Sullivan is top 5 in the country out of 351 ADs in optimizing scheduling for a NCAA Bid. I would argue if Dayton had 345/351 ADs in 2014 and 2015 scheduling instead, Dayton does not get into either NCAA Tournament!
He's good but gaming the RPI is old. The Missouri Valley famously did this in the mid 00s and the Mountain West recently. There's a lot of schools that are good at this

Way disagree he could have gotten Bama into the tourney any more times than AD actually did

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The only thing better than a 74-65 nonconference win over then-No. 2 Kansas is cashing a $90,000 check from the Jayhawks, which essentially paid for the Washington men’s basketball team’s trip to Kansas City, Mo. on Dec. 6.

A review of the Huskies’ nonconference payouts reveals UW spent $773,000 for 10 opponents, including an exhibition game against Saint Martin’s University.

Washington (10-3) paid between $100,000 and $80,000 to seven teams, which played at Alaska Airlines Arena. The Huskies also paid $150,000 to 2K Sports Classic, which provided two nonconference home opponents (Belmont and Seattle University).
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Interesting that they could get paid $90k to play at Kansas. I wonder how many P5 programs actually played an away buy game.
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it was for a neutral site game at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. Kansas plays a game there every year I think
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it was for a neutral site game at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. Kansas plays a game there every year I think
I guess technically it is a neutral site game but it's about 45 miles from Lawrence to the Sprint Center and 1800 miles from UW. Doesn't seem very neutral. Did Kansas get paid too?
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I guess technically it is a neutral site game but it's about 45 miles from Lawrence to the Sprint Center and 1800 miles from UW. Doesn't seem very neutral. Did Kansas get paid too?
I think Kansas pays a fee to rent the Sprint Center and gets a cut of the ticket sales
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I guess technically it is a neutral site game but it's about 45 miles from Lawrence to the Sprint Center and 1800 miles from UW. Doesn't seem very neutral. Did Kansas get paid too?
The exact point Providence made about our Dance game in Columbus.
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Based on this, it was considered a home game.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/20...et?team=Kansas

I thought I remembered (but could not find it after an online search) that Kansas could not play NCAAT games at the Sprint Center. Maybe it is just the first/second round games or maybe I am off base.

Edit - I found something that says a team has to play 4 games on a home court to be precluded from playing an NCAAT game on that court.
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Why Nevada basketball's non-league schedule will cost it $200,000

While every coach of a good teamís goal is to set up a non-conference schedule that can put it in contention for an NCAA Tournament at-large spot, there also is the often overlooked financial element of putting together such a schedule. For a single-game series, there is typically a payout involved from the home team to the visitor. For home-and-home series, payouts typically donít exist. The more money teams have in their budget, the more home games they can buy during non-conference play.


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Nevada is public institution so through open records request they got the details on Nevada's OOC schedule
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Why Nevada basketball's non-league schedule will cost it $200,000

While every coach of a good teamís goal is to set up a non-conference schedule that can put it in contention for an NCAA Tournament at-large spot, there also is the often overlooked financial element of putting together such a schedule. For a single-game series, there is typically a payout involved from the home team to the visitor. For home-and-home series, payouts typically donít exist. The more money teams have in their budget, the more home games they can buy during non-conference play.


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Nevada is public institution so through open records request they got the details on Nevada's OOC schedule
I seem to recall that this was a big issue with Will Wade when he was still at VCU. He wanted the budget increased to buy more games or better teams.
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I can't find the article but in the Lexington paper the amount that Vermont got from UK was over 100K
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It will be interesting to see how the quadrant "thing" plays out with respect to buy games. I believe some of the smaller D1 schools use the buy money to fund their basketball, if not their entire athletic budget. Schools may not be as willing to pay for some of the weaker teams any more or they may pay even bigger $s for the RPI under 75 teams. Will teams pay $s to go play one of RPI under 75 teams on the road?
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Hopefully Fordham can just start playing buy games vs the MEAC/SWAC at home
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Did Playing anybody anytime help Temple back when Channey was coach?
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Did Playing anybody anytime help Temple back when Channey was coach?
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Rhode Island is playing 16 away/neutral games in 2018-2019.

Heck, there are not even doing a 15/15, they are doing 14 or 15 at home and 16 away/neutral.





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Holy Cross at the DCU Center
College of Charleston

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Diamond Head Classic at University of Hawaii December 22, 23, and 25
3 games vs. UNLV, TCU, Colorado, Bucknell, Indiana State, Hawaii, and Charlotte

Plus 9 away A10 league games.






Home
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West Virginia at Mohegan Sun Sunday, December 16th (this is technically a home game)

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Wonder why they're playing Holy Cross in Springfield, Mass.
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Wonder why they're playing Holy Cross in Springfield, Mass.
DCU Center is Worcester, MA.
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Rhode Island is playing 16 away/neutral games in 2018-2019.

Heck, there are not even doing a 15/15, they are doing 14 or 15 at home and 16 away/neutral.





http://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6840


Away
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Holy Cross at the DCU Center
College of Charleston

Neutral
Diamond Head Classic at University of Hawaii December 22, 23, and 25
3 games vs. UNLV, TCU, Colorado, Bucknell, Indiana State, Hawaii, and Charlotte

Plus 9 away A10 league games.






Home
Alabama
Nevada
West Virginia at Mohegan Sun Sunday, December 16th (this is technically a home game)
We usually play around 6 or 7 tougher OOC games...1 or 2 at home...1 or 2 away...3 in tourney.

I would like to see us do what URI did and get one more tougher game on the schedule to get to 8 tougher ooc games...PC, C of C, 3 in tourney, and 3 at home.

C of C was #57 last year.

The WVU and Alabama games are likely h and h.

Brown and HC are not any good, why are those road games? They are both usually anywhere from 150+ to 250+.

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Brown and HC are quadrant 3 and 4 road games, maybe Brown is just a local rivalry game.

But, why play at HC?


The breakdown will be as follows:


Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.
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Brown and HC are not any good, why are those road games? They are both usually anywhere from 150+ to 250+.
Brown is in Providence. It is a local game if not a rivalry.

HC is in the region. Easy (and cheaper) travel.
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I think this quadrant systems incentives teams in the position to play road games vs neutral games.

I would have loved to have started a series on the road with Western Kentucky. Several good freshman this year and depending on how they do on the the grad transfer market (got two starters from Kansas and Virginia last year) they should contend or be 2nd in CUSA behind Marshall.

The home game the next year when their freshman this year are juniors and

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In other UB scheduling news, the non-conference game at Marquette is confirmed for December 21. Marquette will pay $100,000 to the University at Buffalo.

https://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-ba...f-fame-tip-off

Buffalo is expected to be a top tier team again next year. From what I've been able to gather it's 100K plus to get a top tier opponent in for a guarantee game
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In other UB scheduling news, the non-conference game at Marquette is confirmed for December 21. Marquette will pay $100,000 to the University at Buffalo.

https://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-ba...f-fame-tip-off

Buffalo is expected to be a top tier team again next year. From what I've been able to gather it's 100K plus to get a top tier opponent in for a guarantee game
So do you think the fee the bottom dwellers were getting has gone down and the fee the upper tier of the low/mid majors has gone up?
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I think everyone's price has gone up but especially the higher RPI teams. More schools than ever are concerned about getting good guarantee games. I saw Savannah State which is a bad RPI team was getting 90K from Iowa for a game next season.

That's probably a decent chunk of the basketball budgets bringing these teams in
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And the A-10 is doing what??? Apparently nothing. That is one more reason we should be exploring the AAC. With 14 teams they could easily go to a 20-game schedule.
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The A10 will got to 20 games and make Fordham a H/H
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What ever happened to the scheduling deal the A10 was supposed to get when we gave up the Barclays Centre to the ACC? I thought we were supposed to get a number of H/H games over a number of years and then we got the Barclays Center back. Is that done?
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What ever happened to the scheduling deal the A10 was supposed to get when we gave up the Barclays Centre to the ACC? I thought we were supposed to get a number of H/H games over a number of years and then we got the Barclays Center back. Is that done?
yeah, it ended up be liking two games at Barclays that were super lame. Like Fordham and some other bottom feeder
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I think this quadrant systems incentives teams in the position to play road games vs neutral games.

I would have loved to have started a series on the road with Western Kentucky. Several good freshman this year and depending on how they do on the the grad transfer market (got two starters from Kansas and Virginia last year) they should contend or be 2nd in CUSA behind Marshall.

The home game the next year when their freshman this year are juniors and

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How doe$ thi$ happen? Hmmm...
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Bassey is from Nigeria originally and Stansbury is in good with his guardian. One of the guardians other 'kids' is on Western
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And the A-10 is doing what??? Apparently nothing. That is one more reason we should be exploring the AAC. With 14 teams they could easily go to a 20-game schedule.
I said this in another thread but I'll repeat myself here. The A10 is dead. The stupid pod announcement and all these other conferences around you trying to get better while we sit has really hammered that home to me.
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