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A10 tourney seeding 2016
IN: SJU, Mason, SLU, Duquesne, Fordham
Magic number (needs to clinch) in parentheses.
GW 4-2-2 (1, in with any favorable result)
Dayton 3-3-2 (3, in with a win)
VCU 3-5 (6, in with 2 wins)
Richmond 3-5 (6, in with 2 wins)
Rhode Island 2-4-2
La Salle 1-3-4
UMass 1-6-1
Bonaventure 1-7
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Keep in mind, I think A-10 tournament qualification is based on winning percentage in conference games - not the traditional points system. Ties count as half a win and half a loss. Does that change anything?
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10-24-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ud69
Keep in mind, I think A-10 tournament qualification is based on winning percentage in conference games - not the traditional points system. Ties count as half a win and half a loss. Does that change anything?
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That is not correct.
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10-27-2016, 11:02 PM
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Win over umass and get in as either the 7 or 8 seed.
Tie vs umass... and face potential tiebreakers with Richmond, VCU or Rhode Island. The Dayton tie of St Louis is a wild card which could help, despite the Dayton loss to VCU. This scenario should still be avoided because in the tiebreak one or two of the teams won't advance.
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10-28-2016, 01:57 AM
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Tonights loss to Duquesne was a microcosm of the season. I could say so much, but I will not.
Time for Tucker to dust off the best speech he ever gave. His coaching career is now down to single elimination games. These kids will either play like that matters to them -- or they wont.
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10-28-2016, 12:17 PM
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The A10 sent out a bulletin yesterday which incorrectly stated that none of the 14 teams had been eliminated yet. That's a nice concept, but not literally true. With RICHMOND and VCU and DAYTON all sitting at three wins going in to last night, best that Bonaventure could do was win out and still stay behind this pack with not enough unclinched berths remaining to take. Thus the Bonnies had already been eliminated with last weekend's results, and Davidson's chances were probably less than 1% as well, with their needing VCU and Richmond to both lose last night and then tie each other, only then possibly surviving a resulting tiebreaker scenario if Rhody and La Salle and/or Dayton cooperated to fix three additional results. Poor Davidson, at least it's official, now. UMass pretending to have a chance until last night, is also eliminated upon waking up today.
So the way I see it there are still two open bids and as many as five teams left in the running for them. Richmond automatically gets in with a win or a tie on Sunday, but can also get in with a smattering of help from the other bidders. Dayton also just needs a win but could have the good fortune of a tie coupled with a Richmond win/tie over VCU, and Duquesne win/tie over La Salle. La Salle or Rhode Island or VCU still gets into the bid mix potentially, but also requires some additional help from other results.
Tiebreaker scenarios, 2 teams:
VCU over Richmond If VCU wins Sunday
This hypothetical 4-6 scenario would have the Rams in over the Spiders because of head to head results. However, if another team (Dayton or Rhody) finishes 3-4-3, then the Rams have to yield to the Spiders by way of a pod tiebreaker (read on below). So if VCU wins and Dayton wins, while Rhody loses or ties, then Dayton will be 7 seed and either La Salle or VCU will be 8 seed, depending on result of La Salle at Duquesne.
Dayton over Rhode Island, If Rhody wins, VCU loses/ties and Dayton ties Sunday.
(Because of Dayton's 2-0 head to head result.) then Richmond would lock up the 7 seed and either La Salle or Dayton would have 8 seed, depending on result of La Salle at Duquesne.
Tiebreaker scenarios, 3 teams:
URI over VCU over Richmond, if Dayton does not tie Sunday, while URI wins and VCU wins.
Because Rhody is 1-1-3 against common opponents in this pod. In scenario, Dayton gets 7 seed with a win, and either URI or La Salle would get 8 seed. With a Dayton loss: Either URI or La Salle would secure the 7 seed if it is abandoned by the Flyers, followed by either VCU or URI in the 8 spot.
Richmond over VCU over Dayton, if Dayton ties Sunday, while URI lose/ties, and VCU wins.
Because Richmond is 2-3 against common opponents in this pod, and VCU beat Dayton head to head. In this scenario, Dayton is out because there are only two bids open and Dayton would be third in the pod. Also, VCU would be on the chopping block despite beating Richmond head to head, if Richmond is helped by Dayton's tie. Either La Salle or Richmond gets the 7 seed depending on result at Duquesne. After that, Richmond or VCU gets the 8 seed, respectively. In other words, VCU fans really want Duquesne to win or tie Sunday to preserve their playoff hopes, but the Rams could also be helped out in a big way if UMass beats Dayton to avoid this pod.
Tiebreaker scenario, 4 teams:
URI over Richmond over VCU over Dayton, if Dayton ties Sunday, and VCU and URI both win Sunday.
Because URI is 1-1-3 against common opponents in the pod, and because Richmond over VCU over Dayton was settled above. In this scenario, better record of La Salle and URI would get 7 seed (depending on result of La Salle at Duquesne) followed by URI or Richmond in the 8 slot. It is bizarre, again, to imagine Richmond getting in over VCU even after they might lose to VCU in head to head that same day. But my interpretation tells me that the Spiders still could back in to the playoffs with a loss, if helped by either a Dayton tie or a Rhody win, as long as that is also coupled with a Duquesne tie or better.
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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10-28-2016, 04:23 PM
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Hope we make the tourney, can't advance if you don't make it. However given our high powered offense, it could be a short run for the Flyers.
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10-28-2016, 09:30 PM
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I think VCU will take down Richmond at home for all the marbles. However to do so VCU's defense will be tested. Remember they struggled and gave up two late goals at SLU last night.
SJU seems untouchable and will give the 8 seed fits. But after that all the other teams are very evenly matched. I think the tournament in Rhode Island will have some freat matches again like last season. I know that SJU amd SLU rpis are barely top 50 but you wont sell me on "the A10 is down" mantra. From 3 to 10 the A10 has never been this capable in my opinion.
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10-30-2016, 12:24 AM
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I forgot one scenario due to its rarity, requiring four different results to occur. Regardless, now a Dayton loss can only be salvaged if La Salle loses, VCU loses or ties, and Rhody loses or ties.
La Salle over Dayton If Dayton loses, and La Salle ties, and Richmond wins/ties all while Rhody loses/ties.
If the above completely unlikely scenario plays out, Richmond will be the 7th seed and La Salle will be the 8th seed. This would be due to La Salle having a potential 2-1-3 record against common opponents that Dayton would have finished 1-4-1 against.
However, if the scenario does not unfold exactly according to the above, because either VCU and/or Rhody could take bids with either one of them getting wins, then there would be no bid available for La Salle finishing with 11 pts, and also Richmond, if losing to VCU, would only get in behind VCU if Rhody loses/ties.
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Dayton up 2-0 on UMass
Duquesne and La Salle scoreless, though the Explorers had defender Paige McDowell sent off for an illegal tackle from behind on a breakaway attempt in the box.
Rhody up 1-0 on Davidson in 40th minute
VCU- Richmond scoreless at halftime, but VCU leads 6-2 in shots and 2-0 in shots on goal.
As of right now, Richmond would be #8 and Dayton would be #7, but there are still 45 minutes left for VCU to make something happen.
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10-30-2016, 02:16 PM
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Duquesne leads 1-0 in the 51.'
Rhody up 2-0 on Davidson.
No other second half changes of note (yet) as the Richmond VCU game is still scoreless.
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10-30-2016, 02:55 PM
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VCU and Richmond going to OT. If Richmond holds up a tie, they will be the 8 seed. If Richmond wins they will be the 7 seed and Dayton will get the 8 seed. If VCU wins, then either La Salle or Rhody will be the 8 seed if Dayton takes the 7 seed.
La Salle and Duquesne are tied 1-1 and about to enter OT as well. La Salle is playing down a player.
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10-30-2016, 03:03 PM
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Rhody has gone up 3-0 on Davidson in the 90th minute, thus VCU is eliminated. It will be Dayton IN, while that last seed goes to either Richmond, Rhody or La Salle depending on these two overtime matches now underway.
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10-30-2016, 03:08 PM
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VCU has spoiled Richmond season, and now they are both OUT. It should be either URI or #LaSalleWSOC for the 8 seed depending on this last game in progress at Duquesne. It's La Salle's for the taking with a win, or else Rhody will be in.
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10-30-2016, 03:22 PM
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Duquesne comes out on top 2-1 in the 110th minute. Congrats, Rhody on now officially gaining the 8th seed and the Rams of Rhode Island will host the A10 tournament as participants, not bystanders.
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10-30-2016, 07:22 PM
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Happy for Coach Tucker and thrilled for the URI Rams. Heartbroken for the VCU Rams but they did what they could and they helped their fellow Rhody Rams get in.
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