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Old 01-12-2017, 12:02 AM
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4 Losses

As great as Archie has been in certain games this year, these four losses all have a trend ... horrible, HORRIBLE starts. It puts so much pressure on everyone in the second half to nearly play perfect it usually leads to more mistakes.

What is going on in the first 15 minutes of these games? This reflects the coach when it's a pattern, even in a handful of wins it's the same story. I don't want to believe it, but in the back of mind I wonder if Archie's focus is not all there, thinking of another job or a life issue.

I'm sorry but NO ONE is excited for a starting backcourt of Crosby and BABY d next year, it's time to step up. Number of wins will only get this team in as there's will be zero GREAT wins and only a few good ones. 14-4 and losing in the A10 finals is the only way this team gets an at large now.

This team must go into VCU 7-1 and come out of that game 8-1.
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Originally Posted by Archie MillerLite View Post
As great as Archie has been in certain games this year, these four losses all have a trend ... horrible, HORRIBLE starts. It puts so much pressure on everyone in the second half to nearly play perfect it usually leads to more mistakes.

What is going on in the first 15 minutes of these games? This reflects the coach when it's a pattern, even in a handful of wins it's the same story. I don't want to believe it, but in the back of mind I wonder if Archie's focus is not all there, thinking of another job or a life issue.

I'm sorry but NO ONE is excited for a starting backcourt of Crosby and BABY d next year, it's time to step up. Number of wins will only get this team in as there's will be zero GREAT wins and only a few good ones. 14-4 and losing in the A10 finals is the only way this team gets an at large now.

This team must go into VCU 7-1 and come out of that game 8-1.
You forgot the other common denominator, Charles Cooke played major minutes, ball hogged and threw up stupid shots in all of them.
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You forgot the other common denominator, Charles Cooke played major minutes, ball hogged and threw up stupid shots in all of them.
I would argue that our biggest problem against UMass was when Scoochie picked up his second foul and had to go to the bench. It was at the 10:03 mark and we had a 15-10 lead at the time. Things went downhill from there.
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I would argue that our biggest problem against UMass was when Scoochie picked up his second foul and had to go to the bench. It was at the 10:03 mark and we had a 15-10 lead at the time. Things went downhill from there.
That was my observation also. We've all become too accustomed to how easy SS makes it look, underestimate or dont appreciate how valuable he is- how great he is. Your point guard is always key...
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Slow starts are common in most games this season, various reasons each game. But sluggish out the gates and deer in headlights look/unprepared is apparent.
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Compounding SS's foul trouble is JC's slow progress. By my math one-step-forward-3-steps back won't get you very far.
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Originally Posted by Archie MillerLite View Post
Slow starts are common in most games this season, various reasons each game. But sluggish out the gates and deer in headlights look/unprepared is apparent.
Archie is a good halftime adjuster. Of the losses, three had much better second halves. US outscored St Mary's 31-22 in the second half. UD outscored Nebraska 47-40 in the second half. Outscored Northwestern 47-27 in the second half. He seems to be adjusting to what the other team throws at him, the players play more aggressively too, especially on defense (this is true also in the wins UD has had).

So what's going on in the first halves? Are they not studying how the other team plays? Did they not anticipate that UMASS would feed the ball to their 8'6 400 lb center and try to keep that guy from being right under the basket?
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The Atlantic Ten is suffering a down year because of poor non-conference performance. It probably will be a one or a two bid conference this year. Dayton cannot afford to lose winnable games as they did at UMASS or they will be tolerating an NIT experience. The team was not prepared to play defense at the level required. CC III showed mega-rust in his return to the lineup and played far too many minutes. DD who may have had a hot hand and gone for 20 did not play enough minutes. KD played his usual strong game. RM, SS and KP were well below average. JC was poor as the back up PG. If they play that way against Duquesne they can expect a two game losing streak.

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I would argue that our biggest problem against UMass was when Scoochie picked up his second foul and had to go to the bench. It was at the 10:03 mark and we had a 15-10 lead at the time. Things went downhill from there.
BINGO...Maybe you can teach a class to some of these posters..SS is the heart, soul, pulse of this team and they really feel it now because he's not only that but he's scoring at a tremendous rate these past few games....So they lose their glue AND their hot hand in both getting to the hoop and hitting outside shots......It's these types of games going against a very average opponent that we really needed to see Crosby step up and provide a glimpse of what we need from him next year....Is he Scoochie? Absolutely not but these guys totally got out of the flow when SS went out..
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We have gotten multiple glimpses of what to expect from Crosby and its all rotten. He could not be much worse. Never runs a play. Does not facilitate others. If he's running the show next year we may not make the NIT. Check out his = - stats. When he's in the whole team suffers. Would be better to let Kyle, DD or even RM take his minutes.
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A common thread has been taller, stronger players in the paint for whom we have no real center to defend. They control our offensive paint and we don't control theirs. That's why in those situations you must make it a full-court game, as we cannot defend nor can we run an effective half-court offense against real bigs. Therefore, the solution is to press and run and neutralize, on both sides of the court, the effects of the big men in the middle for whom we have no answer.
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I don't understand the focus on our start last night. In the second half we are down 41-42 and cooking. Then we fail to convert to a lead in the second half and here is the cause:

Cooke- turnover
Crosby- ridiculous missed drive
Cooke- missed layup
Pollard- turnover
Crosby- missed bad layup drive

And we go almost 5 minutes without a field goal.

We were right where we needed to be on the road against a good team. Then we spit the bit.
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Unfortunately for Crosby, at this point in time, a routine basketball decision by SS translates into a great decision for Crosby when he makes it. That's a problem. Crosby's positives are what a PG should be doing. SS's positives are when he makes an exceptional play.

Crosby has way too many bonehead decisions that cause turnovers or missed shots (which are equal to a turnover).

If forced shots and poorly timed shots were counted as turnovers, we would double the turnover numbers game by game.
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A common thread has been taller, stronger players in the paint for whom we have no real center to defend. They control our offensive paint and we don't control theirs. That's why in those situations you must make it a full-court game, as we cannot defend nor can we run an effective half-court offense against real bigs. Therefore, the solution is to press and run and neutralize, on both sides of the court, the effects of the big men in the middle for whom we have no answer.
Yes you can try to make it a full court game, but unfortunately that relies on good three point shooting ( realistically as the game is played today), and when you are both cold from outside and committing turnovers, you gotta have another plan. On offense, you have to back-screen the opponents big guy, and run the action underneath him, or on the opposite side of the lane. Also you have to attack him early and often, in effort to get him in foul trouble. You cannot just simply setback and let the other team dictate the situation for forty minutes...that always ends badly...always.

I am confident we can dispense with the nonsense about, how after having a fluke miracle luck three-point shooting night, against nationally acclaimed Saint Bonnaventure no-less, that somehow Archie is quickly becoming the best coach in America. Not even close. Sure he is better than some, and compared to his generation of coaches, maybe, but by no means is the best coach in America...wipe it from your system.

As for Swampy's woulda shoulda coulda perspective; I must say, blaming the fans for knowing a win against Nebraska and a loss to UCLA is better than a loss to Nebraska and a win against Portland, is better; and the attitude toward Callers (see bedell), and blaming the refs (see Morgan Miller), is all getting very old, or feeling that the Flyers should have beaten Saint Marys or Northwestern...a never NCAA tournament program, is not really asking too much, given all that is provided to UD for the basketball program, and of course because we obviously have the best coach in America.

As for four losses, the Flyers can only afford 2-3 more losses in the regular season, to have any reasonable at-large hopes.

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This team must go into VCU 7-1 and come out of that game 8-1.
That's going to be impossible to do. They are 3-1 now and only have 3 games left before going to VCU.
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All this discussion and no one has hit on the problem.
Coach told us the problem in the post game.......
"We were not ready". PERIOD.
How can you play well if you are not ready....you can't
If you go to work and are not ready, how will you perform?
If you go to class and are not ready, how much will you learn?
If you go to the gym to workout, will you give it 100%?
If you plan a day with your kids but are not ready, how valuable will it be?
If you go to church on Sunday and are not ready, how much will you gain?
Somebody "get us ready", Please.
End of discussion (the old excuse, "we were not ready")
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I not all that worried about one start. Teams had slow starts and pick it up. If one remembers last year the Flyers laid an egg at home against SBU and URI.

Archie is not the best coach in college basketball but he is the best that has been at Dayton for some time.
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My biggest concern in the losses, as it relates to Archie/coaching is that he hasn't found the formula to slow down or stunt the snowball effect that everyone can see coming in those games. During some of these, he's simply left Crosby out there to flounder. I understand there's foul trouble and he seems determined to keep Scoochie fresh for the home stretch of the season, but there is such diametric drop off when Crosby is running the point that this cannot continue if Scoochie wants a home stretch that includes an NCAA tournament possibility.
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So when there is foul trouble who do you play?

And with no foul trouble, does Scoochie play 40 minutes? In the past, very heavy minutes has negatively impacted his play.

I don't think there is anyone else on the team that can play that position.
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So when there is foul trouble who do you play?

And with no foul trouble, does Scoochie play 40 minutes? In the past, very heavy minutes has negatively impacted his play.

I don't think there is anyone else on the team that can play that position.
Well it's clear Crosby can't play that position.
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I hate to agree with many of you, but I would try Kyle Davis at point for a spell. Kyle doesn't have the crazy ball skills that Scooch has but may be good enough to handle a few minutes per game at the point. This would also allow Darrell Davis to play more and to play with Cooke more often which seems to be a good paring based on limited sample size. We would also have a little more size, especially at the 2G spot with this lineup...

It's basically playing Darrell more verses playing Crosby more, and at this point, I'm all for giving Darrell more PT and seeing those 3 balls and Free Throws go in, plus height and improved defense.
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I hate to agree with many of you, but I would try Kyle Davis at point for a spell. Kyle doesn't have the crazy ball skills that Scooch has but may be good enough to handle a few minutes per game at the point. This would also allow Darrell Davis to play more and to play with Cooke more often which seems to be a good paring based on limited sample size. We would also have a little more size, especially at the 2G spot with this lineup...

It's basically playing Darrell more verses playing Crosby more, and at this point, I'm all for giving Darrell more PT and seeing those 3 balls and Free Throws go in, plus height and improved defense.
KD is not going to spell mpg at PG. Will he be there for a set or two based a couple possessions when they run an offensive-minded Scoochie thru some screens where KD might be out top? Would not doubt that at all but AM is NOT giving up on JC. JC had been giving them some pretty good MPG so now he has a bad game like 90% of the other guys and you want to give up on him? AM is NOT giving up on him and neither should you..
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KD is not going to spell mpg at PG. Will he be there for a set or two based a couple possessions when they run an offensive-minded Scoochie thru some screens where KD might be out top? Would not doubt that at all but AM is NOT giving up on JC. JC had been giving them some pretty good MPG so now he has a bad game like 90% of the other guys and you want to give up on him? AM is NOT giving up on him and neither should you..
I'm not giving up on Crosby. I still think he can be our starting PG next year. But for this year, why not try Kyle at point for a few minutes? Crosby is too out-of-control, even Bucky says it every game! He just isn't ready for big-time minutes. Archie should shorten the bench and play Crosby less (and Sam for that matter). It's not giving up on a guy, just realizing he may not be ready to play as many minutes as he is currently getting. Pitino is the master of this- he plays guys varying minutes throughout the year based on how each individual player is progressing or not.

I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. I am just suggesting an alternative gameplan.
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I have to concur, let Darrell DAVIS get the Crosby minutes.
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KD is not going to spell mpg at PG. Will he be there for a set or two based a couple possessions when they run an offensive-minded Scoochie thru some screens where KD might be out top? Would not doubt that at all but AM is NOT giving up on JC. JC had been giving them some pretty good MPG so now he has a bad game like 90% of the other guys and you want to give up on him? AM is NOT giving up on him and neither should you..
So now he has a bad game? He's had a bunch of bad games and several poor stretches in games where grades out as "just OK" or "didn't really hurt us because we won". Tell me a game where he was good? VMI might really be it, and is that the competition level we're setting the barometer at?

His numbers tell as much of the story as just general observation of decision making and the flow of the offense while on the court. If you exclude the VMI game, he actually has a less than 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. Seriously, less than 1:1 A/TO in the other 15 games. 32% field goal percentage AND 37% free throw.

You never give up on a player, but he's playing way more minutes than what I am comfortable with (20 plus per game in the last 5 games). I love that he's a big guard at 6-2 who can really breakdown a defense and get to almost anywhere he wants to on the floor, but he's got no idea where he's going and what he's doing with it when he gets there. You've got to have a purpose and be able to recognize when you've exposed the defense and make the appropriate play to exploit their breakdown.
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That we would get UD in; but it's hard to see that happening, unless there are some changes made on offense, and free-throws improved.
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Guys are worrying about Crosby on the floor now...you should really worry next season if he doesn't get the minutes he is getting now. Even with the poor play, he has to develop on the floor this season to be somewhat ready for 17/18. He doesn't become a better decision maker sitting on the pine.
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Guys are worrying about Crosby on the floor now...you should really worry next season if he doesn't get the minutes he is getting now. Even with the poor play, he has to develop on the floor this season to be somewhat ready for 17/18. He doesn't become a better decision maker sitting on the pine.
I agree 100%. I just think 20+ minutes/game is too many to risk the performance and success of the 2016/2017 season. We have a fine line to tread the next 8 weeks, due to a lack of statement wins on the resume.

In my observation, that (risking 2016/17) happened Wednesday night.......in addition to most everybody else stinking it up too.
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He wasn't playing 20+ minutes with a healthy Cooke. And he won't.

His decision making was particularly poor Wednesday. It was compounded by how poorly everyone else played. Scoochie, Cooke, Pollard were god awful.
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Guys are worrying about Crosby on the floor now...you should really worry next season if he doesn't get the minutes he is getting now. Even with the poor play, he has to develop on the floor this season to be somewhat ready for 17/18. He doesn't become a better decision maker sitting on the pine.
I for one have zero problem with McKinley Wright being handed the keys Day 1. by the time A-10 season rolls around he's essentially a Sophomore.

At this point i have to believe we are not an NCAA team next year if Crosby is our starting PG.

I hope that changes, i hope I'm not right.
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