Coaching carousel 2015

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by steve Might just be the job Marshall yearns for...

I really think it will be. But if Marshall says he's not interested, I might just get a little worried.

[Sea Bass]

Texas is a program with a boatload of money and not much history. Has never been a basektball power.

[steve]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer I really think it will be. But if Marshall says he's not interested, I might just get a little worried.

To be honest, I have zero worries about AM leaving this next year and even the year after..

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Texas is a program with a boatload of money and not much history. Has never been a basektball power.

Money is good. While not a lot of rich history isn't good, it also isn't necessarily bad. No icon you'll forever be compared to and the opportunity to be a legend is there for the taking. Also, Barnes has been given a lot of rope for a lot of years, and they have really talented players who just keep underachieving. Something to be said for stability and job security and not having to start in a dumpster fire / cupboard completely bare type situation. Plus, Austin is a great city.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Texas is a program with a boatload of money and not much history. Has never been a basektball power.

Barnes has made the NCAA tourney 16 out of 17 years and before that Penders had them in 8 out of 10. So that is 24 out of the last 27 years. Maybe not a basketball power but a lot of NCAA appearances.

[Viperstick]

St Johns about to learn just how far down the coaching totem pole they are. This ain't 1985 guys. My advice is to start looking for a top flight assistant, because you aren't getting Gregg Marshall, Shaka Smart, or Archie Miller.

I heard Donnie Tyndall is available, though...

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Viperstick St Johns about to learn just how far down the coaching totem pole they are. This ain't 1985 guys. My advice is to start looking for a top flight assistant, because you aren't getting Gregg Marshall, Shaka Smart, or Archie Miller. I heard Donnie Tyndall is available, though...

Tom Pecora is available too.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Viperstick St Johns about to learn just how far down the coaching totem pole they are. This ain't 1985 guys. My advice is to start looking for a top flight assistant, because you aren't getting Gregg Marshall, Shaka Smart, or Archie Miller. I heard Donnie Tyndall is available, though...

Rumor is they want Chris Mullin, who is an alum, and an attainable target I'm sure. Great player and held some front office positions in the NBA since his playing days were over. But I don't know that he's actually ever coached or recruited, both of which seem kind of important.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 Barnes has made the NCAA tourney 16 out of 17 years and before that Penders had them in 8 out of 10. So that is 24 out of the last 27 years. Maybe not a basketball power but a lot of NCAA appearances.

Would suggest it's not terribly difficult to win there... Next guys just needs to need to make a few more deep runs and it's all good.

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Texas is a program with a boatload of money and not much history. Has never been a basektball power.

Mike & Mike in the morning on ESPN talked about the BB program at Texas. It is a BIG time, I mean capital B, I & G time football school. Texas is where the high schools spend $$$ Millions $$$ on their FB facilities and little kids grow up to play FB.

They have had some success in BB but it's a filler entertainment show between Fall FB and Spring FB camp.

There is almost no cross over between the two sports.

Mike & Mike stated that there are not too many programs that have a major emphasis in BOTH FB and BB. Even until recently ND BB was way over shadowed by FB (even with the limited success there on FB the culture is FOOTBALL) . Michigan maybe a little and the only program that they could think of off the top of their head is Michigan State with the recent surge in the FB team and of course Izzo in BB.

So their take on it was that the sharing of emphasis in the culture of a school for BOTH FB and BB is very rare and definitely NOT at Texas.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 Mike & Mike in the morning on ESPN talked about the BB program at Texas. It is a BIG time, I mean capital B, I & G time football school. Texas is where the high schools spend $$$ Millions $$$ on their FB facilities and little kids grow up to play FB. They have had some success in BB but it's a filler entertainment show between Fall FB and Spring FB camp. There is almost no cross over between the two sports. Mike & Mike stated that there are not too many programs that have a major emphasis in BOTH FB and BB. Even until recently ND BB was way over shadowed by FB (even with the limited success there on FB the culture is FOOTBALL) . Michigan maybe a little and the only program that they could think of off the top of their head is Michigan State with the recent surge in the FB team and of course Izzo in BB. So their take on it was that the sharing of emphasis in the culture of a school for BOTH FB and BB is very rare and definitely NOT at Texas.

I agree with all of this. Top dog at Texas is the head football coach. Always has been. Always will be. But you can live pretty comfortably as the men's basketball coach. Depends how much attention and pressure you crave I suppose. And if you're comfortable with being at a football school, you can absolutely exploit it for recruiting purposes. Those are the weekends you bring the recruits on campus and get your commitments.

[Whacker]

Danny Hurley under consideration for St. Johns.

[shapanud]

Andy Toole of Robert Morris to Fordham according to WFUV in New York. Good, young coach. For the sake of the a10, hope he is the one to make Fordham relevant

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Whacker Danny Hurley under consideration for St. Johns.

I was thinking they'd go Bobby Hurley, but either Hurley can recruit NYC.

[1903 Flyer]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Few ... and far between.

Mark Few I understand, but I haven't heard of this Far Between guy.

[Flyer 86]

Hurleys would NEVER take Fordham job. ST John's is more like it!

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 Hurleys would NEVER take Fordham job. ST John's is more like it!

Chick Ludwig was pinch-hitting for McAllister on WLW and he said StJ was looking @ Bobby Hurley, rather than his more "animated" brother. With their North Jersey roots (and, presumably, connections) and their pedigree, StJ could do a lot worse.
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[shapanud]

Originally Posted by shapanud Andy Toole of Robert Morris to Fordham according to WFUV in New York. Good, young coach. For the sake of the a10, hope he is the one to make Fordham relevant

And now Robert Morris announces that Toole is staying there and not going to Fordham. Should have known that Fordham wouldn't make that good of a hire.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Chris R]

Toole would end up like Pecora. Pecora was an excellent hire. Fordham's problems are not head coach related. They are institutional. Through 5-6 coaches, the results are all the same no matter whom they hire. The only constant is the university itself and the system in place that puts the coaches in a system designed to fail. All fish rot from the head. Until Fordham addresses that, they can hire anybody they want and nothing will change.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[DallasFlyer]

Metta World Peace (Ron Artest) tweeted that he would accept the St. John's job.

[Flyer68]

NY Daily News headline - SJU should go after Hurley - "Dan's The Man." Dan H is 3-1. Other candidates are Steve Masiello (5-1 present Manhattan coach), Chris Mullin (5-1 past SJU star but never coached), Bob Hurley (12-1) , Tom Cluess (50-1 Iona coach with 20 five win seasons), Bob McKillop (50-1 Product of Long Island, A10 title at Davidson but is 64 years old), Mark Jackson (300-1 NY Guy, former SJU stars but "eccentric moment", Metta World Pease "No Odds."

Things move fast - Lavin name already mentioned at DePaul and Arizona State.

With the strong NYC push for Dan Hurley, let's see what URI does re upping his contract like UD did for AM. I gotta believe that Hurley has outs for SJU, possibly Seton Hall in his URI contract.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[Windy City Flyer]

Just heard that Rick Barnes has a minimal buyout (!/2 his salary). It would appear that his days in Texas may be numbered. He has no ties to Texas having coached at George Mason, Providence, Clemson and now Texas.

[jack72]

Brian Wardle was hired away from Wisc-Green Bay, as the new head coach of Bradley.

[DallasFlyer]

No one seems to like coaching at Butler. Holtmann is trying to get either the Texas or Tennessee jobs. http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...150329723/1007

[jack72]

Interesting tidbit in the Raleigh paper about Wojciechowski taking the Dayton job. We of course know he did not, and we were lucky enough to get Archie. Wonder if UD never offered, or he turned it down?

"It was at the 2011 Final Four in this city that Duke reached out to Jeff Capel about coming back and joining the staff.

“I was at the Final Four in Houston, and I got a call from Chris (Collins),” Capel said. “And he just told me that (Steve Wojciechowski) was probably going to take the Dayton job. He and Coach (Mike Krzyzewski) had talked, and they felt like they needed me back with what they were losing and things like that. Would I have interest?”

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...#storylink=cpy

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by jack72 Interesting tidbit in the Raleigh paper about Wojciechowski taking the Dayton job. We of course know he did not, and we were lucky enough to get Archie. Wonder if UD never offered, or he turned it down? "It was at the 2011 Final Four in this city that Duke reached out to Jeff Capel about coming back and joining the staff. “I was at the Final Four in Houston, and I got a call from Chris (Collins),” Capel said. “And he just told me that (Steve Wojciechowski) was probably going to take the Dayton job. He and Coach (Mike Krzyzewski) had talked, and they felt like they needed me back with what they were losing and things like that. Would I have interest?” Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...#storylink=cpy

Dayton did NOT offer. Archie was first choice out of Wojo and Archie. Once they had oral agreement from Archie, UD told Wojo he was not going to be head coach and he "withdrew" from consideration.

[dannardo]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer No one seems to like coaching at Butler. Holtmann is trying to get either the Texas or Tennessee jobs. http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...150329723/1007

It's tough keeping a successful coach at the mid major level.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by dannardo It's tough keeping a successful coach at the mid major level.

But, I thought Butler was in the BIG EAST!? I thought the BIG EAST was a Power conference! Your comment leads me to believe that it's merely a Mid-Major conference! SURELY you can't be serious!

"I am serious. And don't call me 'Shirley'."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA

[ud2]

Note from hoopdirt:

• INDIANA – Athletic Director Fred Glass has given head coach Tom Crean a vote of confidence. Glass sent an email to the Indianapolis Star which included the following: "Coach Crean has five years on his contract, I don't expect him to go anywhere, and I don't want him to go anywhere."

[224]

The one we hoped wouldn't happen...

Barnes out at Texas.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...exas-longhorns

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by 224 The one we hoped wouldn't happen... Barnes out at Texas. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...exas-longhorns

They want Marshall or Smart

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 They want Marshall or Smart

Let's hope so. This is one of the 15 or so schools where some risks exists for UD.

[maddog07]

No worries------ Swampy has stated that Texas is not a good opportunity. No wonder he is such a favorite at Blackburn.

" The current job market- the hot mess that is Tenn, DePaul St, Johns, Texas- are not the kind to make Archies' eye wander."

Austin; one of he top Universities in the country, clearly one of the nation's best sports schools, big big money, yeah he'd be crazy to consider. Why did Kevin Durant ever go there!

[frisco flyer]

Shaka turned down $3M/yr from Texas

[Atlantic 10]

Let's see if Texas goes for someone with NBA experience, AD has a NBA background

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by maddog07 No worries------ Swampy has stated that Texas is not a good opportunity. No wonder he is such a favorite at Blackburn. " The current job market- the hot mess that is Tenn, DePaul St, Johns, Texas- are not the kind to make Archies' eye wander." Austin; one of he top Universities in the country, clearly one of the nation's best sports schools, big big money, yeah he'd be crazy to consider. Why did Kevin Durant ever go there!

Ask your palls at Blackburn Review . . . yawn.

________________________
That's the stress talkin' . . .
Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

[rasta man]

Texas can be a top job if done right, plenty of money, a new building going up in a few years (in fact one of the reasons the change is occurring is that according to both of the local sports talk shows here, UT needs to raise around $70 million in the upcoming school year for that and the feeling was with Barnes still at the helm that wasn't going to happen), great recruiting bases, there is some great HS and AAU ball being played down here. And hate to break the news Austin is FAR better place to live than Dayton, Wichita, Richmond etc. Downside is nobody goes to games here. Well there 1,000 other things to do here in the winter vs Dayton etc.Here is an amazing number I got from the NCAA, but Dayton is AHEAD of UT in attendance in 2014 by 2,000/game.

If the right coach can come in and sell the product going into the new building (Erwin Center kind of stinks if you ask me ) It can become a very good job. Before Mack Brown came in, football attendance was lagging and look what he did.

Also just heard (don't have the link, it came to me via text) that according to Horns Digest, Marshall is being highly courted by Alabama. Smart has a list of 3 schools that he doesn't get penalized for taking that job UT is one of them.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Falcon7]

Originally Posted by maddog07 No worries------ Swampy has stated that Texas is not a good opportunity. No wonder he is such a favorite at Blackburn. " The current job market- the hot mess that is Tenn, DePaul St, Johns, Texas- are not the kind to make Archies' eye wander." Austin; one of he top Universities in the country, clearly one of the nation's best sports schools, big big money, yeah he'd be crazy to consider. Why did Kevin Durant ever go there!

A talent like Durant will never ever go to UD. That is the difference between Texas and UD.
We couldn't get a sniff from local boy Kennard, and even AJ is too good for UD...

Making it to the elite 8 once every generation is about as good as UD will ever do.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by maddog07 No worries------ Swampy has stated that Texas is not a good opportunity. No wonder he is such a favorite at Blackburn.

If Blackburn doesn't like you, you're doing something right!

[joeybaloney]

Originally Posted by Falcon7 Making it to the elite 8 once every generation is about as good as UD will ever do.

I think you're the only one on this board who believes that.

Assuming Archie is here the next few years(I for one think he will be) the next 2 teams could be the best two teams he has had at UD.

The elite 8 seems very realistic in 2016 and/or 2017.

UD basketball is in the midst of something very special

[Bill Elwood]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 They want Marshall or Smart

TX must feel they have to act quickly with either of these two as Barnes' buyout actually
goes down on Wednesday, yet they fire him today. Of course, a quarter of a mill for TX is merely beer money!

[224]

The truth of the whole thing is simple. We will find out very quickly how much Archie values money.

Texas has more money than any other school. Period. They have the best facilities, biggest boosters, and their own network. Yes they will always be second to football, and it's not a Top 10 Basketball school.

But they are a Top 10 Athletic University, and it's not a bad job. Not a great basketball job, but not bad by any means.

Archie is making (we think) somewhere between $1-1.5 at UD guaranteed through 2022. That's a lot of money. Like $7-10m a lot.

But if Texas offers 5 years at $4m a year, how do you turn down $20mil? $7m is a lot until someone gives you $20

[ortez52]

Archie is not going to Texas, not to a football school.He knows one of the jobs he really wants is going to open up soon.I think Archie is making 2 million a year here,knows what he has coming in and knows he can win here, till that one job opens up ,money will still be there.

[joeybaloney]

Originally Posted by 224 The truth of the whole thing is simple. Texas has more money than any other school. Period. They have the best facilities, biggest boosters, and their own network. Yes they will always be second to football, and it's not a Top 10 Basketball school. But they are a Top 10 Athletic University, and it's not a bad job. Not a great basketball job, but not bad by any means. Archie is making (we think) somewhere between $1-1.5 at UD guaranteed through 2022. That's a lot of money. Like $7-10m a lot. But if Texas offers 5 years at $4m a year, how do you turn down $20mil? $7m is a lot until someone gives you $20

There's more to life than money for some people. Rick Barnes got Texas into the tournament something like 16 of 17 years and still got canned.

I am not saying Archie will never leave, but maybe, just maybe, he is very happy here. He is making a great living, not 4 mil a year, but not being paid an insulting amount. Maybe he really likes the people he works with, the administration, etc. Archie strikes me as someone who doesn't seek a lot of limelight, doesn't want a constant spotlight on him that may come with a Texas or Indiana type job. I think the man just loves to coach. Maybe Dayton is the perfect fit for that to him. Maybe his wife enjoys the Dayton community. Maybe his daughter really likes the school she attends. And maybe knows he can accomplish his goals and turn Dayton into a legitimate national threat to the elite of college basketball. I mean, look at what he has accomplished the last 2 years...

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by 224 But if Texas offers 5 years at $4m a year, how do you turn down $20mil?

By looking at the previous coach who was fired after making the NCAA tournament in 16 of his 17 seasons (and in 9 of those 16 he made at least the Sweet 16)

[224]

Originally Posted by NCkevi By looking at the previous coach who was fired after making the NCAA tournament in 16 of his 17 seasons (and in 9 of those 16 he made at least the Sweet 16)

Originally Posted by joeybaloney There's more to life than money for some people. Rick Barnes got Texas into the tournament something like 16 of 17 years and still got canned. I am not saying Archie will never leave, but maybe, just maybe, he is very happy here. He is making a great living, not 4 mil a year, but not being paid an insulting amount. Maybe he really likes the people he works with, the administration, etc. Archie strikes me as someone who doesn't seek a lot of limelight, doesn't want a constant spotlight on him that may come with a Texas or Indiana type job. I think the man just loves to coach. Maybe Dayton is the perfect fit for that to him. Maybe his wife enjoys the Dayton community. Maybe his daughter really likes the school she attends. And maybe knows he can accomplish his goals and turn Dayton into a legitimate national threat to the elite of college basketball. I mean, look at what he has accomplished the last 2 years...

5 years ago he was making less than $100k as an assistant. Then jumps to $400k at UD in one year. In 4 years jumps to $1Mish with $7m guaranteed. And if someone offered you $20m, how do you say no? I know the argument of 'everything isn't about money', but at some point it is. Everybody has a number.

And just because the old coach didn't have elite success doesn't mean the new one won't. I hate that argument. Look at the success AM has V BG! Texas has the $ and facilities for someone to be successful. Period. Dayton hadn't had recent success when we hired AM so would people say don't take it?

I don't want Archie to leave, but let's be a realist. If UNC offers him 5years/$1m a year he takes it for the job. If Texas offers him 5years/$4m a year he takes it for the money. Texas is not a bad job. They haven't had recent success but it's a great job. Plus if he takes it and fails he gets his money and is still coaching D1 with his next job.

Shaka or Marshall are both rumored to be interested so it prob won't fall to Arch anyways, but if there was one school for him to leave for the money it'd be Texas. Don't underestimate Texas.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by 224 I know the argument of 'everything isn't about money', but at some point it is. Everybody has a number. And just because the old coach didn't have elite success doesn't mean the new one won't. I hate that argument.

At some point the money doesn't matter - if AM makes 30 million in his career at UD I don't think he'll every have any financial worries. Unless you're an idiot you can live a very very comfortable life on that amount.

On the other hand he can go to Texas where with the firing of Barnes they have made the statement they have very high (unreasonable?) expectations and making the tournament 16 out of 17 years and averaging at least a Sweet 16 appearance every other year isn't good enough.

Maybe Archie likes to be financially comfortable with reasonable expections and at a place that really wants him to stay.

And if anyone out there want to hire me and pay me $20 million for 20 years I will sign a contract promising to never leave regardless of how much additional money is thrown my way!

[Sea Bass]

I have no idea what may or may not happen. What I do know is that it is not a surprise Barnes was let go and Archie just signed an extension

[ud69]

One would have to be a masochist to take the Texas head coaching position. Hoops ranks behind football, spring football, baseball, and maybe even track at that school.

[zmz723]

Actually hoops ranks behind only football at Texas. Don't exaggerate

[ud69]

Originally Posted by zmz723 Actually hoops ranks behind only football at Texas. Don't exaggerate

Not if you measure it by national championships. Zero men's hoops titles. Men's hoops might even be after swimming and volleyball as well.

http://texassports.com/sports/2013/7...55.aspx?id=328

[224]

Originally Posted by ud69 Not if you measure it by national championships. Zero men's hoops titles. Men's hoops might even be after swimming and volleyball as well. http://texassports.com/sports/2013/7...55.aspx?id=328

It's measured by dollars. Don't kid yourself. That's why Texas is Texas. OSU had a dude win 4 wrestling championships in 4 years and Matta isn't behind the wrestling coach, or any other aside from Meyer, on any scale.

I said it once, I'll say it again. Even if it's 2nd to Football, the $$, facilities and national exposure is second to none with their own network. We are happy if a game is on ESPN U -- how about DAYTON TV? A good coach has the tools to build that program, and that's what they're looking for. No coach will take this 'for the job' like he would UNC, Duke, MSU, Syracuse, etc...whoever takes it, he's taking it 'for the money' with all the tools to make it an elite job.

[ruechalgrin]

Butler worried 4th coach in a couple years ...

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...150329723/1007

[jack72]

So where does basketball rank at OSU or Oklahoma or Oregon? I guess those coaches should reconsider coaching at those schools. This whole line of argument is silly. The TX job is a great one at a very good school, in a great recruiting area and a fantastic town. I suspect some of you have never been to UT or Austin, yet you write these negative things. That being said, Archie 100% will not take the TX job.

[Flyer68]

Read the Sentinel article and feel bad for Butler because UD is not that different from Butler.

Butler's coach Holtman appears to be the poster boy for the statement that coaches always have one eye open on the next job. Article says that he contacted UT about the job opening and that UT has offered him the job. Now Texas is courting him? UT should turn around to this huckster and pull its offer if indications are that he is considering Texas and using it as a bargaining chip against UT. I doubt that Butler can give him his walking papers after pretty much indicating that he does not want to be there.

I understand the power of money and have no problem that you should listen to all offers, when others reach out and contact you. I get that. But, if I was UT, I would say, "you contacted us. How much do you really care about your players etc. as the article claims he is. You will do the same to me when you feel you want to jump to the next coaching position."

[Bat'71]

jack72 is right on the money, IMHO...Texas would be a great job that a lot of coaches would kill for, but I wouldn't bet the ranch that AM would (or could) turn it down if offered. It's nice to sit back and opine why Texas wouldn't be right for AM (or anybody else), but that is a top notch University, in a great town with great facilities and all the tools available for a coach to make it a success. So what if BB is second fiddle to FB (or even Baseball), it sure isn't an after thought down there and a lot of students and Alums follow it avidly and support it. If UT is willing to pay upwards of $3MM a year on a multi-year contract (in a state, BTW, that has no state income tax) with all the perks that would go with that job, you'd have to be nutz not to seriously consider it.

[Flyer68]

Barnes could say, "I took Texas to the NCAA tournament in 16 of his 17 seasons and make the Sweet 16 at least nine times." That is a good resume for any future job. Now that he has money in his pocket, maybe Barnes should change gears and take the Butler job and move that program forward.

Despite all of its great facilities etc., maybe Texas has to decide what of program it wants to have. Does it want to be the Kentucky program of bringing in the so-called "student \ athletes" for one or two years so they can jump ship and go pro? Does it want to be a true basketball program like Duke, Arizona, Gonzaga, who are successful year after to year? Although did not get to the Final Four, it seems that Barnes had that type of record and he is out

[TerryK_67]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 Read the Sentinel article and feel bad for Butler because UD is not that different from Butler. ......

Didn't the Butler coach sorta inherit the job, when the real head coach had health issues. So, IIRC, he was "rescued" from a previous head coaching job to be an assistant at BU. Not sure who rescued him or where his loyalties would lie, but it hardly seems like he was a dyed in the wool "Butler" guy......

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 Read the Sentinel article and feel bad for Butler because UD is not that different from Butler.

I will feel awful for Butler if he leaves.

They have worse attendance than UD, 7,788 last year...I guess there is competition with the Pacers, IU, Purdue, and maybe ND and the NFL's Colts.

A scalper outside of Hinkle Fieldhouse said that BU games aren't like IU and Purdue in terms of ticket demand...I doubt BU hardly ever sells out.

There were plenty of seats available when I saw them play.



On another note, Nebraska drew 15,419 last year, I am surprised and impressed, seems like they have really increased their attendance of late...seems like they came out of nowhere with their attendance, I thought they used to be at around 6,000?/game.



http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...ttend/2014.pdf



Edit: yes, for 2014, Nebraska had the largest attendance increase of any team...they were at 10,352 in 2013.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by ud2 . . . On another note, Nebraska drew 15,419 last year, I am surprised and impressed, seems like they have really increased their attendance of late...seems like they came out of nowhere with their attendance, I thought they used to be at around 6,000?/game. . .

I think the Incarnate Word fans really bumped up those numbers

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[ruechalgrin]

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2015/3/2...ing-candidates

[UDGutter2]

Originally Posted by ortez52 Archie is not going to Texas, not to a football school.He knows one of the jobs he really wants is going to open up soon.I think Archie is making 2 million a year here,knows what he has coming in and knows he can win here, till that one job opens up ,money will still be there.

How do we know that Dayton is not the job he wants? Why do we assume every coach will leave first chance he gets? I have the pleasure to meet and talk with Archie and his dad at the father son basketball camp (they sat with my son and I at dinner). I found Archie to be very much like his dad, and John never left that high school despite numerous opportunities. I am apparently the only one on this board that takes Archie at his word. I will be shocked if he goes anywhere even in 5 years (with possible exception of OSU, but even that would be a tough decision for him.)

[ruechalgrin]

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-col...e16712855.html

[224]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2015/3/2...ing-candidates

They love them some Archie!

He turned it down a year ago, so I'd be shocked if he did this now.

This article reminds me of a fanboy article with a "realistic" list that has Archie on top, but unsure if they can get him. Similar to a few years ago UD fans had a "realistic" list with Anthony Grant on top, but unsure if he'd leave Bama.

[Flyer68]

Even if he is high on school's wish list, I take AM at his word and believe him when he says he is staying. Actually a number of the coaches listed have Tenn roots and seem more realistic for Tenn.

But why don't other schools and sports writers take him and other coaches at their words? Do they have little respect for coaches and view them as willing to do anything (abandon their school to highest bidder; impose on college professors to pass the "student/athletes"; impose on professors to ignore the failure to attend class) for victories and bags of money? I 100% believe that we will have AM at UD for next 5 years. I have said this before. The only opening I can see AM opting for would be Pitt. Despite his contract, Dixon could be shaky there if program goes nowhere in next few years. AM would be going home. And I 100% understand and would support that.

[Medford]

Its not really an Archie problem, but a coaching and the way people blow things out of proportion problem. How many times have we heard AD say that they have the backing of their coach, only to turn around and fire them 2 weeks later? How many times has a coach said he loved it where he was at, a new deal was in the works, then the deal never gets signed and he's off to "greener" pastures a week later? How badly would message boards reek if every coach was 100% honest when asked the question, said they were exploring the possibility of a new job? We'd lose our collective heads if they said they were "listening" to offers each off season, even if they never intended to take any offers.

Its a chicken/egg thing, the coach and administrations can't be 100% honest or even just ignore the question w/o reparations. Fans, recruits and players would have trouble if every coach and/or administrator was 100% honest with every question. Its a cycle with no solution, so must just accept it as "standard means and methods" or "coach speak" and move on knowing that at the end of the day, save the top 1% of jobs, most coaches move on from their current gig at some point either by obtaining a different job on their own accord, or being forced out by administration or fans that can't "accept" the current level of production (and as we've seen in Texas and at UK, sometimes the current level of production can be pretty **** high and still not be good enough)

With all that said, here is what I perceive about Archie. When UD was mired in a slump last January, UD was talking extension with him. When UD ran to the elite 8, it is believed that the pay raise/extension was bumped up even more. If you listen to his interviews this time a year ago, you could hear it in Archie's voice inflection and words that UD's loyalty to him, even when things weren't looking 100% meant a lot to him. Its that loyalty, IMHO why Archie's name as a candidate never got past the "beat writer list of hopefuls" column that is written with every job opening in the sport. Archie's a smart guy, and thanks to Sean, Herb, Thad, etc... he probably has a pretty good idea of how things were going to play out this season. I'm not sure when contract extensions talks came up, but it seems like it was near or at the end of the season. The contract extension was signed less than a week after UD's season ended. Archie and his agent had to know that he was going to get several calls, some with potential offers near or exceeding 2 mil a season. Hell, my guess is that Archie's agent already had those calls before the first four from schools and/or "friends of the school" seeking an opinion if Archie would listen. Archie could well have dragged out the extension negotiation for another couple of weeks and all of us would have commented how quick it got done.

The extension doesn't mean he's never leaving, heck it may not even mean he wont leave before I'm done with this post. None of us (or at least few of us) know what the details of the extension are, what the out clauses are, how expensive they are, or most of all what Archie's ideal job situation is, but I do believe, that for it to get done and signed so quickly, tells me that Archie isn't thinking about the next gig, that he's appreciative of UD's loyalty and is ready to be loyal back. At some point, there may be a time when that loyalty is several tested, that bond was certainly there b/w the school and BG, then things turned south and it quickly became best for all parties to move on. None of know what the future holds, but Archie's action, more than his words, tell me that like BG, he's not going to just accept the first P5 offer with big money attached behind it. He's smart enough to realize that while other places can and would pay him more money, not all of those places offer the support that he's seen at UD.

[UD62]

I see the rockytop site is using the 2011 partial season figure of $335.000 as AM's salary. If that is the extent of their research, they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.

[THirt]

Hurley reportedly received an extension from URI which will keep his punchable mug in Kingston through the 2020-21 season.

Also seeing more rumors that Rick Barnes may be interested in Tennessee. That would be interesting. I just can't see Archie having interest since he already turned them down last year (among many other reasons, of course).
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[shapanud]

From Chicago sports radio guy Chris Emma:

‏@CEmma670
Dave Leitao will return as DePaul's next coach, according to sources. Bryce Drew and Bobby Hurley turned it down.

Leitao left DePaul for Virginia in 2005 and was fired from Virginia in 2009. He then was head coach in the NBDL and then assistant at Missouri and Tulsa.

[frisco flyer]

A humbling bit of news for the big least. Holy land of hoops will be a good place to visit for comic relief over the next few days.

Just wait until the Johnnies announce a 5 year deal with the Holly Incarnate Word coach, whose name escapes me at the moment.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by shapanud From Chicago sports radio guy Chris Emma: ‏@CEmma670 Dave Leitao will return as DePaul's next coach, according to sources. Bryce Drew and Bobby Hurley turned it down. Leitao left DePaul for Virginia in 2005 and was fired from Virginia in 2009. He then was head coach in the NBDL and then assistant at Missouri and Tulsa.

Wow, this makes no sense to me at all. Why not go after a truly successful D-1 coach in a lesser conference? This seems like it will seal Depaul's fate as a bottom-dweller in the NBE.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by TommyGola Wow, this makes no sense to me at all. Why not go after a truly successful D-1 coach in a lesser conference? This seems like it will seal Depaul's fate as a bottom-dweller in the NBE.

They did, and were turned down. Embarrassing for sure, but such is the reality in that conference. The problem is that the schools are too busy counting Fox's money to see it. Just wait until that contract runs out, or the network gets sold to QVC.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[shapanud]

Lots of media folk saying it looks like George Mason will get former UC-Irvine coach Russell Turner. In 5 years at UC-Irvine, he has taken them from 6-10 in conference to 4th, 1st, and 2nd last 3 years. On paper, looks like a solid hire for GMU.

Of course on court results are all that will matter, but is says something when GMU's coaching hire is universally more praised than DePaul's.

[ruechalgrin]

Great hire by George Mason. Hurley looks like he is staying at least 1 more year at Rhode Island. Good day for the A-10!

Rumors are Bobby Hurley (MAC) and Drew (Horizon) turned down Depaul. Yikes. Again, I really wish Depaul well as they stood by Dayton and helped us get into the A-10.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[NJFlyr71]

What does anybody think about the possibility one of the UD assistants leaves over the off season (as another hire somewhere else either as a small conference school HC or big school assistant) AND that Anthony Grant comes along as his replacement?

Sets up a transfer of present to future HC positions with AM leaving after 2 years!

What a'll think?

Since we are officially inside UD's off-season any thing goes doesn't it!

[BRob2Perryman3]

Does anyone know if Archie's base is over a Million now?

[ruechalgrin]

Chris Mullin to St. John's. Not convinced he is a college coach.

[Viperstick]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...cted-to-accept

St Johns hiring Chris Mullen? No college experience at all? No coaching experience at all? "It worked for Fred Hoiberg & Iowa State, why can't it work here?" YGBSM.

Butler coach sniffing both UT's butts?

DePaul re-hires their head coach twice removed after Horizon & MAC coaches turn them down?

Oh, and let's not forget Marquette's own coaching follies last year, the Seton Hall locker room implosion this year, and the soon to fail Greg McDermott experience at Creighton and you have a veritable tire fire going on in the NBE.

My heart bleeds.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Chris Mullin to St. John's. Not convinced he is a college coach.

lot of folks wondered the same thing about Hoiberg

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Viperstick http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...cted-to-accept St Johns hiring Chris Mullen? No college experience at all? No coaching experience at all? "It worked for Fred Hoiberg & Iowa State, why can't it work here?" YGBSM. Butler coach sniffing both UT's butts? DePaul re-hires their head coach twice removed after Horizon & MAC coaches turn them down? Oh, and let's not forget Marquette's own coaching follies last year, the Seton Hall locker room implosion this year, and the soon to fail Greg McDermott experience at Creighton and you have a veritable tire fire going on in the NBE. My heart bleeds.

Those NBE coaching hires are getting weirder. It's a league in an odd position at the moment. What on earth would make those positions attractive to a good coach right now?

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Chris Mullin to St. John's. Not convinced he is a college coach.

Could be another Jim O'Brien.

[DallasFlyer]

Jim O'Brien had actual coaching experience.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by Viperstick http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...cted-to-accept St Johns hiring Chris Mullen? No college experience at all? No coaching experience at all? "It worked for Fred Hoiberg & Iowa State, why can't it work here?" YGBSM. Butler coach sniffing both UT's butts? DePaul re-hires their head coach twice removed after Horizon & MAC coaches turn them down? Oh, and let's not forget Marquette's own coaching follies last year, the Seton Hall locker room implosion this year, and the soon to fail Greg McDermott experience at Creighton and you have a veritable tire fire going on in the NBE. My heart bleeds.

Seems Buzz Williams knew what he was doing, doesn't it?

[Sea Bass]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN
Russell Turner is staying at UC Irvine, sources told ESPN. Was offered job at George Mason.

[Sea Bass]

Seems like turning down supposedly better jobs is in vogue. Look at the 2 guys the NBE is set to hire.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN Russell Turner is staying at UC Irvine, sources told ESPN. Was offered job at George Mason.

I know nothing about Russell Turner, but going from the left coast to the right coast seems like a big move. Is he an east coast guy? Does he have any contacts, background, etc., in the DC/Baltimore/Virginia area?

Would be a significant hurdle to clear if he does not. Could explain his "No."

[jumpin' joe]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Jim O'Brien had actual coaching experience.

I guess you can count Wheeling Jesuit College as coaching experience. I'm sure Mullin probably coached some CYO games in the past.

[Flyer68]

To ud2:

When you named this thread, you could not be more spot-on. It is truly a carousel that will never stop. Coaching changes, same names, just keep going round and round. Although St. Johns hiring Chris Mullin just adds another horse to the carousel.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by bobber I know nothing about Russell Turner, but going from the left coast to the right coast seems like a big move. Is he an east coast guy? Does he have any contacts, background, etc., in the DC/Baltimore/Virginia area? Would be a significant hurdle to clear if he does not. Could explain his "No."

He is from D.C. area originally, and Mason would have given him a pretty substantial raise.

[THirt]

Fordham hires EKU's Jeff Neubauer. Seems like a decent hire. Good luck to him.
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	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Flyer68]

Jeff Neubauer. Another new name for the carousel. Let's see how long he stays on the Fordham horse. Good luck to him can mean bad luck for UD.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[ud2]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_...oaching_record

10 years at EKU, 2 NCAA's, we'll see, good luck to him.

Has spent a lot of time as an assistant to Michigan hc John Beilein: 1996-2002 at Richmond and 2002-2005 at WVU.

Played for LaSalle, 1989-1993.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_...oaching_record 10 years at EKU, 2 NCAA's, we'll see, good luck to him. Has spent a lot of time as an assistant to Michigan hc John Beilein: 1996-2002 at Richmond and 2002-2005 at WVU. Played for LaSalle, 1989-1993.

I think they needed to hire a guy that NYC kids would be excited to play for. Not sure who that is, but thinking this probably isn't that guy. It took him 8 years to get EKU rolling as a consistent 20 game winner. So not real optimistic that he's going to make Fordham any better. Probably can't make it any worse though.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[DallasFlyer]

Interesting --
http://wric.com/2015/03/29/shakawatc...g-shaka-smart/

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer I think they needed to hire a guy that NYC kids would be excited to play for.

supposedly that was Pecora.

[lhsgolf19]

Uh Oh for the A-10

Jon RothsteinVerified account ‏@JonRothstein

BREAKING: VCU's Shaka Smart is in discussions with Texas about its head coaching vacancy, sources told @CBSSports. Story coming.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Uh Oh for the A-10 Jon RothsteinVerified account ‏@JonRothstein BREAKING: VCU's Shaka Smart is in discussions with Texas about its head coaching vacancy, sources told @CBSSports. Story coming.

Bad for A10 but would it be good for UD? Isn't that one of the jobs us fans fear?

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by CE80 Bad for A10 but would it be good for UD? Isn't that one of the jobs us fans fear?

Definitely good for UD... The only job this offseason I fear

[Sea Bass]

My guess is that VCU would bring back Will Wade.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass My guess is that VCU would bring back Will Wade.

Anthony Grant . . .