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We absolutely are very young and inexperienced!!!!!!
If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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We are down 2 or 3 starters (depending on if Sam Miller would have started) and we are one of the youngest teams in the country learning a totally new system. Relax! There is talent on this team and we will be good again next year.
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I believe that's a little harsh. Experience at PG is a known weakness and has been since last graduation. AG still needs to recruit a good one to back up Crutcher for next season.
I'm in favor of selling out for the benefit of gaining experience for next season. I think we're seeing that by Crutcher continuing to start. I expected Svoboda to to be more seasoned with his experience on the Czech team. That hasn't been the case. We need him to come around. He's promising. He's got a better handle than I expected but I think he gets in too much of a hurry in the lane sometimes. He's not shot the ball well at all but I expect him to clean that up.
When XW comes back we need him to play within his skill set and stop trying to be a 3-point shooter. That aspect should complement his game not be the centerpiece of his game. I want him to take the ball inside and use his speed in transition. But instead of camping outside I want to see him drive that baseline. He could draw some attention and take some pressure off Kostas, and Cunningham in particular.
I like Crutcher a lot. I think he could be as talented as Dillard was, without the baggage. And I enjoy watching Trey Landers. He doesn't have the inside game that Charles Little had but he's a similar type player. I can't think of another player that he compares better with.
These young players are good. I fully expect a better-than-mediocre season next year. I'm just going to watch this season with the mindset of a stock invester and save the expectation for instant returns.
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Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.
The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.
Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.
This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.
Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
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Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.
The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.
Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.
This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.
Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
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How many games in the A10 do you think we will win playing like that? Tale of two halves, thankfully for us. 24 turnovers? 10 turnovers in our good half. wow.
I do hope not too many viewers turned the game off at halftime. I know I did not, and will not.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
Not enough returns in to blame the coach as yet. But clearly our newbies were not ready for the size and experience they are going to face in D1 basketball. The pace of everything is just blowing them away. Darrell going from 6th man to THEE man was a huge step with no more support than he is getting.
The game is going to slow down for them at some point, and that might be mid-season, in the A10, or not at all, this year.
Josh is even showing his lack of court time against bigger and older competition. He is eating too many balls in the lane, and finding himself out of position on defense. Kostas is just a puppy out there. I can see how he dazzled the team in pre-season practice because we basically have no interior lane defense to slow him down. The bar for Kostas is now set much higher than even he could have imagined.
This is going to get worse before it gets better, and then maybe our focus and intensity will improve.
Right now we are embarrassingly bad. But I see the talent for the future and that's why no matter what I won't give up on them this season.
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This team fights! They didn't give up in any of their loses and they haven't given up so far tonight. For that alone, I won't give up on them this year.
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Take a hike. There was no reason to take a timeout. Darrell made a bad play but you should be embarrassed for your original post. These guys came back on the road and played their azzes off.
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play, FIRE AG TODAY !
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Lighten up Francis. Team showed a lot of heart and improvement on D.
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Absolutely horrible coaching, we have a time out with 3 freshmen out there and he don't draw up a play
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Take a hike. There was no reason to take a timeout. Darrell made a bad play but you should be embarrassed for your original post.
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I also think AG should have taken a timeout or at least called a play. He basically cleared everyone out for Darrell which I've never seen called for DD.
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I also think AG should have taken a timeout or at least called a play. He basically cleared everyone out for Darrell which I've never seen called for DD.
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Miss st stinks too, if they were any good they would have beat us by 30, we scored 59 points, that will win you 2 games a year, all u people do is defend us when we're bad and all of AG mistakes
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We had a great opportunity to win, partly because we were taken lightly, it seemed to me. But mainly because we kept fighting and playing defense. Honestly, I don't think we'll have a better opportunity this season to knock off a good opponent.
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BTW udscott (and anyone else who doesn't realize it) there is a game thread for every game so you can post your in game reactions instead of starting a new thread on the main board. I think your post would have fit in better there.
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showth...d=1#post523163
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Those are two young teams that played like it. Great second half. People forget we have freshmen, a junior who has played eleven games hurt last year, a soph who is really in his first year, a new coach and a stud senior. This is what we will get this year, get used to it.
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You won't see it but this loss will help....next season.
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This team lacks senior leadership. No one takes charge out there. DD is unable to handle that load. Too many times in crucial situations he just puts his head down and tries to do it himself. The result? Turnovers and lost opportunities. And our captain Cunningham seems to be the quietest one on the floor. Need a vocal and active leader out there to bring the team together. Just looks like a bunch of individuals out there. And I know it’s not his style but I’d give anything to see AG chew someone out and hold them responsible for their play (or lack there of). Gotta send these kids a message sooner rather than later.
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If you question the amount of grit and effort by these guys the second half this game...then screw you.
I surely don't agree with not calling a timeout for the last possession...but if you don't see the potential by the way these guys played D and came back...then there is no hope for your basketball knowledge...none whatsoever.
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I told you to support the team. They Are not going to ANY tourney.
It will be a tough season. Period.Let AG get his recruits in.
I have NEVER seen more wannaabe Coaches ever. Apply for the job.
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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Unless you are referring to you, your family, or your pets, you should never use "we" in a post from now on.
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The glass is really half full.
I don't think we sink, but we are hard to watch at times. We are just so 'raw'. When we went down by 17, I seriously considered calling it a night. Then it went to 21, but I stayed to the end. I'm glad I did. I saw a lot of good things in the 2nd half. Steps forward by individuals and as a team.
If for no other reason, you should watch DD. What an amazing year this man is having on so many levels. The statistical improvement in his game has to be historic. But the fact he is doing it with so little playing experience with him on the floor makes it even more amazing.
Cruther is good right now and he's getting better every game in a lot of different areas. Has he put it all together yet? No. Will he get there? Yes. How long will it take? From what I've seen in the first 7 games of his college career, I think it's sooner rather than later. I expect him to still make freshmen mistakes, but this guy is going to help this team big time this year.
Josh & X & Kosta - we need X back for A10 play. Him in this mix makes the other two pieces work better. With X In the mix, defenses cant gang up on Josh. With X in the mix, Kosta foul issue is more manageable. Kostas needs to use the next three games at home to improve his defensive decisions and take a couple steps forward to improve his foul management issue. Hopefully X will be back for the A10.
Everyone else - just keep working hard and improve and find a way to contribute. It's a work in progress. It's going to be for awhile. It's not always fun to watch. The first half last night was not fun to watch. But the second half was right up to the end. If we had won with a last second shot, everyone would be saying how the team battled through too many turnovers and too few assists but wiped out 21 points with tough gutsy defense to find a way to win.
That doesn't sink. That's a young team that's still not 100% healthy, starting to figure some things out. I like our next 3 games giving us an opportunity to figure some more things out. I'm looking forward to watching.
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Never understood this. We refers to your team, the team you root for, the team you buy tickets to. Most are alumni, most support the team financially somehow.
It's semantics, but I'm not sure why people have a problem with saying we. There's no confusion to anyone thinking they're on the actual team.
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Never understood this. We refers to your team, the team you root for, the team you buy tickets to. Most are alumni, most support the team financially somehow.
It's semantics, but I'm not sure why people have a problem with saying we. There's no confusion to anyone thinking they're on the actual team.
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I think he was suggesting that UDScott isn't one of those things. UDScott seems to only show up after losses and almost never has anything positive to say.
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The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BG’s 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BG’s 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.
My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? I’m guessing, as the season progresses, we’ll see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But there’ll also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BG’s 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BG’s 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.
My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? I’m guessing, as the season progresses, we’ll see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But there’ll also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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Out coached in the last 30 seconds??? What did Howland do in the last 30 seconds to outcoach Grant???
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Out coached in the last 30 seconds??? What did Howland do in the last 30 seconds to outcoach Grant???
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didn’t.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didn’t.
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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
I disagree with the necessity of calling a TO. It gives the other team a chance to set up a defense as well. Sometimes you want to be able to get a play in the flow of the game. He doesn't NEED to call a TO.
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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
I disagree with the necessity of calling a TO. It gives the other team a chance to set up a defense as well. Sometimes you want to be able to get a play in the flow of the game. He doesn't NEED to call a TO.
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We only had five fouls, believe or not, so no bonus. That is the biggest argument of calling a timeout, so you can instruct the players on fouling. Even if we scored, we should have fouled a penetrating dribbler.
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What? Foul a dribbler with the score tied and the other team in the bonus? That's insane.
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They had a foul to give.
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didn’t.
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I have to disagree here as far as setting up a final shot. Most of the plays drawn up these days in a tie game or down 1 are just designed to get the ball into the hands of your best player and then clear out. Then your best post comes and sets a pick at the top of the key and there are drive or pass options off of that. The ball was already in DD's hands and the players cleared out. This is exactly what we did without calling a TO. DD just botched it.
EDIT: I do agree that it would have been good to call a TO to instruct the team to foul after a made or missed shot.
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OK, maybe a poor choice of words. But for as much as I like and support Anthony Grant, he spit the bit by not calling a TO to setup the final shot for us, and instruct the guys to foul a dribbler if MSU would somehow get the ball back. With a team this inexperienced, in a winnable game, on the road, against an SEC foe, he needs to call a TO at that point, and he didn’t.
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What a great example of circular reasoning. State an opinion that is never proven. Then use that opinion to draw a wild conclusion (Grant blew it) based on your opinion. Quite illogical.
If they had called timeout and then had a TO on the inbounds play I'm quite sure you and the rest of the other way too vocal minority would have been on here with the same conclusion (Grant got out coached) from the exact opposite action. Me thinks your bias is showing.
Your 'out coached' wasn't the only poor choice of words.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
The closest parallel to this season (in recent memory, anyway) for this program was 2004-05. BG’s 2nd year. Roughly half the squad was new, and the previous Senior class (Waleskowski, Marshall, Finn) had left its imprint all over the record book. But that team had slightly more returning experience (Jones, Scott, Williams, Bennett), and it was BG’s 2nd year at UD, not his 1st. That team was 1-3 after 4 games. But they had some December games at home that allowed them to jell, and they went on to an 18-11 campaign. Not postseason-worthy, but not abysmal either.
My question is: which team will show-up for the remainder of the season? The one that played like dog vomit for the first 20 minutes last night? Or the one that totally outplayed MSU the last 20 minutes, only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? I’m guessing, as the season progresses, we’ll see more times when the team battles through as it did in the 2nd half last night. But there’ll also be some occasions when they look as bad as they did in the first 20. I can see a final win total for this year of somewhere between 16 & 19. Anything better? Thanks! Anything less? Figure out why we came up short, and fix it for 2018-19.
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How the hell did Grant get out-coached in the final 30 seconds? He had the ball exactly where he wanted it and that was in his leading scorers' hands who can get to the hoop, pull up a J, or launch a 3. You DO NOT call a TO in that situation for a team that had already committed 26 turnovers and no guarantee especially in a half-court set that they get the ball "back in" the hands of the guy who had it anyways...
only to get out-coached in the final 30 seconds?
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He had the ball exactly where he wanted it and that was in his leading scorers' hands who can get to the hoop, pull up a J, or launch a 3.
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Each to their own I guess. I get that...when you had last years team. Worst thing that happens is a tie and you go to OT.
This team is different. Three freshman on the court in a classic pee down your leg juncture of a game. Call the timeout...yes...it was a turnover machine of a game. Why is there any more of a chance to commit a turnover after the TO that the way it went down?
Here is the problem...you call the TO and you draw up a good play and the execution is poor you blame the players. You call the TO and you draw up garbage that isn't executed it is on the coach. You let it play out like it did and it's on the players.
2 out of the 3 scenarios reduce the liability on the coach for a bad play drawn up out of a timeout. This team is not an NBA team by any means. This team has to be coached more like a HS team. They needed the guidance at that point in time. The guys on the floor weren't 5 lockdown offensive players you see at the next level that you can just cut loose and expect good things to happen. These guys needed a one hitter out of the timeout that guarantees that a shot gets off or the clock expires on the UD end of the floor.
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Originally Posted by shocka43
This team has to be coached more like a HS team. They needed the guidance at that point in time. The guys on the floor weren't 5 lockdown offensive players you see at the next level that you can just cut loose and expect good things to happen. These guys needed a one hitter out of the timeout that guarantees that a shot gets off or the clock expires on the UD end of the floor.
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What he said. Young team, lots of clock, call time out.
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We're young, inexperienced, and thin on depth after the outgoing coach had a couple recruiting misses that he didn't have to live with as he rode one of the best classes in school history to a bigger job. I said BEFORE the season I see us winning 14-16 games in the regular season. After this game, I still believe that. Next year we'll have more depth, more balance, and a full year in CAG's system.
PG: Jalen Crutcher, John Crosby
G: Jordan Pierce, Dwayne Cohill
G/F: Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda, Ryan Mikesell
F: Josh Cunningham, Kostas Antetekumnpo, Obi Toppin
F: Xeryius Williams, Jordan Pierce
Add to that likely another G based on the guys we've been chasing since signing Cohill and we're likely rolling 10 deep next year, most of them with good experience now. If we look like this NEXT year, then i'll join the doubters. Anyone jumping to conclusions after 7 games is just looking to moan and wail.
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We're young, inexperienced, and thin on depth after the outgoing coach had a couple recruiting misses that he didn't have to live with as he rode one of the best classes in school history to a bigger job. I said BEFORE the season I see us winning 14-16 games in the regular season. After this game, I still believe that. Next year we'll have more depth, more balance, and a full year in CAG's system.
PG: Jalen Crutcher, John Crosby
G: Jordan Pierce, Dwayne Cohill
G/F: Trey Landers, Matej Svoboda, Ryan Mikesell
F: Josh Cunningham, Kostas Antetekumnpo, Obi Toppin
F: Xeryius Williams, Jordan Pierce
Add to that likely another G based on the guys we've been chasing since signing Cohill and we're likely rolling 10 deep next year, most of them with good experience now. If we look like this NEXT year, then i'll join the doubters. Anyone jumping to conclusions after 7 games is just looking to moan and wail.
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I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
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I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
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From what I've seen of Svaboda and taking into account that he's an old freshman with experience, I'll take two more years of Ryan Mikesell vs 3 more of Svaboda.
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If you do not like watching this team, quit watching. All of us who follow the team knew it was going to be an up and down year. Take the positive and look for growth. Nice comeback last night. Go UD !!! All you spolied, negative keyboard warriors, go away.
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From what I've seen of Svaboda and taking into account that he's an old freshman with experience, I'll take two more years of Ryan Mikesell vs 3 more of Svaboda.
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Why choose when you get them both? SVO-BO-DA, made some really instinctive moves on the court. He has very good court sense. Was open on several cuts--didn't get the pass. And that's taking nothing away from Ryan. Matej is seeing the speed of the college game for the first time. It's lightyears faster than his National team back home. He's got game.
Glad to have them both.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
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Mikesell will be back. Put your bank account on it. He is at every game on the bench and is out on the floor during warmups passing to guys and encouraging them. Met he and Williams out on the streets of Charleston (in the afternoon) with a couple other guys leading them around. He is the non-playing captain, and 100% invested. We have room for Matej and Ryan and all the good players we can get.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
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He will be here for his entire career and rightfully so.
Good kid...good family...good ball player.
He has more court smarts than anyone currently on the floor and will be pretty **** productive when 100%. If you think that a local kid is going to beat feet who has his feet set in stone at UD...you are wrong.
I don't get where people think we "don't need" certain player. Svoboda does some things really well and has some nice size for his position. He isn't playing well right now by any means, but I think he will turn into a good player. He has a nice resume that isn't translating to the court right now. It will thought and I hope he is here his entire career.
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He will be here for his entire career and rightfully so.
Good kid...good family...good ball player.
He has more court smarts than anyone currently on the floor and will be pretty **** productive when 100%. If you think that a local kid is going to beat feet who has his feet set in stone at UD...you are wrong.
I don't get where people think we "don't need" certain player. Svoboda does some things really well and has some nice size for his position. He isn't playing well right now by any means, but I think he will turn into a good player. He has a nice resume that isn't translating to the court right now. It will thought and I hope he is here his entire career.
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Mikesell is all of those things. He's also a kid who just had hip impingement surgery on both hips. My concern would be from a life-long perspective, should he come back if he's risking potential long-term injury/debilitation. I honestly don't know the answer to that.
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Mikesell is all of those things. He's also a kid who just had hip impingement surgery on both hips. My concern would be from a life-long perspective, should he come back if he's risking potential long-term injury/debilitation. I honestly don't know the answer to that.
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I know a lot of people think Teams (in general) just exploit their athletes, and they don't care about the long term health of the player, but that just isn't true. If there was any serious risk for his long-term health, he would already be on a medical hardship scholarship and his playing days would be over. This is quite frequent in college athletics.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
I notice you left Miller off. I believe that is the most likely outcome. I'm wondering to some degree if Mikesell also returns. Love the guy's heart but not sure we need Mikesell and Svoboda. I'm not advocating pushing him off the team, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't come back.
We absolutely must have another PG, unless we expect Cohill to back up Crutcher. Not sure how that plays with our 2019 recruits as well, but that's why those guys get paid the big bucks to work all that out and I'm just a fan.
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Until I see something to convince me otherwise, I think Sam's days at UD are done. We'll quietly hear about him transferring to some D2 school once he is re-instated.
Mikesell may never be a starter for UD, but he might still end up as a shooter off the bench. I'll be shocked if he isn't getting minutes for the Flyers next year.
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You must not work in a field where people leave employers to better their careers as they see fit. That isn't quitting, that is career advancement. Your "quit" arguments tell me quite a bit.
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I don't mind Archie leaving for a bigger job, I do mind how his last two recruiting classes were before he left.
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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He couldn't coach a 3rd grade CYO team...
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The good news this year is that Grant is our coach. Archie left Grant, John Crosby as the point guard after Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit. So late in the cycle Grant comes in and get Jalen at 150 pounds and in short order develops him into our starting point guard. Our man to man D is just not good. Freshman struggle with defense and Sunday nite the change to the match up zone kept us in the game. Archie didn't teach or use zone and we would have been in even deeper foul trouble and got blown out. Anthony will get better players and he is a very solid coach.
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Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit.
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You must not work in a field where people leave employers to better their careers as they see fit. That isn't quitting, that is career advancement. Your "quit" arguments tell me quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by flybye
The good news this year is that Grant is our coach. Archie left Grant, John Crosby as the point guard after Archie quit on UD and we lost our best recruit because he quit. So late in the cycle Grant comes in and get Jalen at 150 pounds and in short order develops him into our starting point guard. Our man to man D is just not good. Freshman struggle with defense and Sunday nite the change to the match up zone kept us in the game. Archie didn't teach or use zone and we would have been in even deeper foul trouble and got blown out. Anthony will get better players and he is a very solid coach.
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that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
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that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
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Fact AG never coached in the A-10, but finished 1st in the CAA all three years he coached there.
Not that I disagree with everything you say, but when you state something as a fact when it clearly is not it makes it much harder to buy in to the other statements you are making.
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Originally Posted by udscott
that's the problem, AG is not a very solid coach, his A-10 record got worse every year at VCU, so as he was bringing in his own talent, his record got worse, then he was no better than a .500 conference coach at Alabama where he was fired and then no one wanted him so he went to the NBA with his best friend, those are facts !
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you are living in a dreamworld if you believe AG ever coached in the A-10.. your facts, are skewed and juxtaposed with reality
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Matej could turn out to be the best three point shooter on the team after DD graduates. He has a soft relaxed touch. Even his misses are in the cylinder. He has looked better each game on defense and offensive movement.
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.
I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.
I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.
Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
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I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
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I agree with you on the TO and for the reason you mention but it would be hard to look at everyone and say - just remember if one of you f-up and turn the ball over, remember we can foul one time and they won't be shooting free throws.
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Originally Posted by Widget
I was told UD had a foul to give. We can have a debate whether or not it was a good idea to not call a timeout and go with a play. My thought is a timeout would have been beneficial at least to let the team know they had a foul to give.
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That's the second part...players aren't always aware of the "game reset"...ask Chris Webber.
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.
I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.
I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.
Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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In 1978, that action would earn you a 'T' and a chuckle.
In 2017, that action would earn you a 'T', and ejection and a suspension. Not a laughing matter.
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I've been thinking about that last play of the Mississippi State game where the opposing team's guard got a break-away. He charged down along the sidelines in front of the benches and coaches on his way to a layup basket to win the game.
I had a deja-vu moment. I remember in a similar circumstance where Jerry Tarkanian, the head coach for UNLV, threw his towel at the player causing him to be startled. He traveled with the ball. There was no score. They called a technical on the coach.
I also remember a University of Houston game of similar circumstances and Guy Lewis, head coach, did the same thing.
Perhaps, we need to encourage Anthony Grant to carry a towel at all times, just for that situation. It would be an inappropriate question to ask Grant what he would have done. I am sure that both Tarkanian and Lewis will say that it was an inadvertent action but I have always wondered about that?
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Or we designate a player to loosen his shoe laces, have his shoe, um, "fall off" in the middle of the court where it could be deemed "dangerous" ... so the refs will stop play and make the opposition inbound the ball. We had the perfect officiating crew Sunday night to make that happen!
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Right. That's like the coach making an actual play. A puppetmaster is not allowed to show his hands. It spoils the show.
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I think AG may have some growth as a coach still untapped. I think both the passion of coaching his Alma mater and the experience under his belt could indeed reveal a newer better version of his previous coaching self. He knows his teams have been criticised for their lack of offensive propensity. Hopefully he's grown and surrounded himself with assistants to better that.
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Guys all coaches can get better. Coach K at 70 is playing zone with his freshman. The Duke fans are angry that there defense is so bad this year and K on his weekly show said.. believe me they play zone better than man to man. So even K getting grief, but has the balls to try something different. As Good as Archie was he really dropped the ball at the end of last year, team we predictable and unmotivated and lost 3 straight with his 4 Seniors and his process. Its a never ending learning about your team and what they need. Grant inherited a mess and is pushing buttons to see what works. So Kostas in his last 32 min has Zero rebounds....Josh turns it over 7 times against Auburn. Not his fault. Go look at the tape we feed Kostas the ball on the block Sunday two straight times and he turned it over. So he loses our best recruit when Archie quit. Kostas has a zero summer with zero development and now X has missed 3 games. I will give him some time.
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Typo, lol, but thanks for agreeing, I pray we go 25-5 every year and I eat crow but his track record is already following him here, BORING and no offensive strategy
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If u don't think so then your not being objective, 14 turnovers in 17 mins if the game but guess what we have AG as head coach, another joke
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if we stink, then what does that make #9 Notre Dame?? they just got beat by Ball St
this will be up and down for us.. we were picked around 5th I believe, that sounds about right.. they will look good, and at times not so much... but I am not going to be a doom and gloomer after the 7th game...
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Its fun to read the message boards. Notre Dame fans are angry with Brey, saying same old stuff. Duke fans hate the zone K is playing. Indiana fans were mad at Archie after they got killed by Michigan because they were un prepared. I think the only coach that will get a pass is the guy who wins the whole thing.
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They did. A lot less.
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We played pretty darn good against TT, except for guarding the corner shooter for half the game. I think he is still in that corner this morning unguarded. The offense has a ways to go, but way better than what we saw earlier. Grant's coaching is showing in improvement. Some facts: 40 pts in the paint and 23 fast break points and 22 assists on 31 baskets.
Do not understand the slow down at the start of the shot clock, then we panic with 10 seconds left? Just looks like dumb strategy, especially for our young guys.
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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Fire a coach 9 games into the job. Seriously??
That is the type of thinking that kept the Cleveland Browns such as a bad football franchise for so long.
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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Lighten up, Francis.
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O where do I start, we gave up almost 80 at home to Penn, and 99% of you find every reason not to blame AG, lol, he is an absolute joke and should resign his position today, did I mention we lost to Penn at home today
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.
If not, why not?
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.
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omg, your argument does not even hold water, Indiana has lost to like 2-3 top 15 programs, we got losses to Penn, and 2 other meatball schools, Archie has 4 straight NCAA appearances with a elite 8 in there, AG has 4 out of 6 years at Alabama below .500 in conference, at the end of the day, the talent UD draws should beat the meatball teams, You have not heard me once complain about a loss to a decent program, its our losses vs the bottom of the barrel
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plus have u been to the arena this year ? our offensive game plan is so bad all you hear is moans and groans from fans cause every time we look up were standing at the top of the key with 7 seconds to go, his offense has completely took the life out of the building
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omg, your argument does not even hold water, Indiana has lost to like 2-3 top 15 programs, we got losses to Penn, and 2 other meatball schools, Archie has 4 straight NCAA appearances with a elite 8 in there, AG has 4 out of 6 years at Alabama below .500 in conference, at the end of the day, the talent UD draws should beat the meatball teams, You have not heard me once complain about a loss to a decent program, its our losses vs the bottom of the barrel
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So, Indiana State is a good program?
AG didn't win the conference 3 straight years at VCU, which is absolutely a program at "our level"? With 2 NCAA appearances? And 1 win?
So like, that doesn't hold water?
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So, Indiana State is a good program?
AG didn't win the conference 3 straight years at VCU, which is absolutely a program at "our level"? With 2 NCAA appearances? And 1 win?
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AG coached at VCU when they were in the CAA, not the A-10, they played absolutely no one in conference, and his record got worse every year at VCU, when in actuality it should have got better with his own players
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Originally Posted by udscott
omg, your argument does not even hold water, Indiana has lost to like 2-3 top 15 programs, we got losses to Penn, and 2 other meatball schools, Archie has 4 straight NCAA appearances with a elite 8 in there, AG has 4 out of 6 years at Alabama below .500 in conference, at the end of the day, the talent UD draws should beat the meatball teams, You have not heard me once complain about a loss to a decent program, its our losses vs the bottom of the barrel
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Indiana lost at home, by 21, to a team that is 4-5 and went 0-3 in Charleston. If your name was "iuscott" you would have called for his head after the first game. The talent that IU draws should beat a meatball team like Indiana State....right?
And your stats for AG are both cherry-picked and inaccurate. He was under .500 in 3 of his 6 seasons in conference play in the SEC (not 4 seasons as you quoted). He actually had a winning record in conference play in his time at Alabama.
Go back a little farther (which you didn't want to do because it doesn't help you) and you will see him averaging 25 wins per season with 2 NCAA trips in 3 years at VCU. His performance at VCU is a better comp to UD than Alabama.
Is he the right coach for us? Maybe he is - maybe he isn't. Anyone who thinks they know the answer after 9 games is purely guessing. I'm willing to give him some time to prove himself.
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Originally Posted by udscott
omg, your argument does not even hold water, Indiana has lost to like 2-3 top 15 programs, we got losses to Penn, and 2 other meatball schools, Archie has 4 straight NCAA appearances with a elite 8 in there, AG has 4 out of 6 years at Alabama below .500 in conference, at the end of the day, the talent UD draws should beat the meatball teams, You have not heard me once complain about a loss to a decent program, its our losses vs the bottom of the barrel
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Indiana lost to ISU and IP Ft. Wayne this year. ISU is 6-7 right now.
There are fans on message boards at IU who think Archie is terrible hire. They think his defense stinks. Others say that Crean left him with a lot of bad players.
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Indiana lost to ISU and IP Ft. Wayne this year. ISU is 6-7 right now.
There are fans on message boards at IU who think Archie is terrible hire. They think his defense stinks. Others say that Crean left him with a lot of bad players.
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Wow! Change a few names, and change the word “defense” to “offense”, and that could be the UDPRIDE message board. And IU is only 8-6 right now, so it’s very possible they’ll finish with a sub-.500 record this year.
My only point is, while criticism is fine (and often deserved), we need to give AG a few years to get personnel and systems in place, just as IU fans need to do for AM. And then, if we’re not back in the NCAA (or, at least, a high seed in the NIT), feel free to blast away.
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.
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Agree. What I find absolutely hilarious are some of these same clowns that want Grant gone or say he's a terrible coach ,riding their emotional tampons, and do the same thing after every loss, then seem to come around a bit after getting torched the rest of the week with coherent, sensible posts then seemingly unable to even watch the next game without falling right back into their ignorant rants...
They simply can't/ don't want to actually interpret what a "process" is..A ton of new, inexperienced players along with a new coach with both entities making mistakes and trying to get on the same page after only 9 games. People wanted Archie gone after a 1-5 start in his 3rd year at UD...
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I think some people on here are drastically downplaying the type of situation this team is in. This team without juniors and would be juniors Mikesell, X, and Miller is a trainwreck. Say what you want about Miller but he brings size, experience, and the ability to hit a 3 when things just aren't clicking on O. I have no doubt in my mind Mikesell would be starting right now if he were healthy. Same argument for X.
That means we are down THREE would be junior starters and lost 4 starters to graduation. Yet somehow we are supposed to be good with a bunch of freshman and Crosby/Landers? Landers is basically a freshman in terms of experience. No Toppin and Pierce clearly isn't ready.
Yet all of this adds up to us having a good season because if we don't it is AG's fault? GET REAL! Without AG we might not have Crutcher, Crosby, Svoboda, or Jordan Davis. Then where would we be? Pray tell!
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I think some people on here are drastically downplaying the type of situation this team is in. This team without juniors and would be juniors Mikesell, X, and Miller is a trainwreck. Say what you want about Miller but he brings size, experience, and the ability to hit a 3 when things just aren't clicking on O. I have no doubt in my mind Mikesell would be starting right now if he were healthy. Same argument for X.
That means we are down THREE would be junior starters and lost 4 starters to graduation. Yet somehow we are supposed to be good with a bunch of freshman and Crosby/Landers? Landers is basically a freshman in terms of experience. No Toppin and Pierce clearly isn't ready.
Yet all of this adds up to us having a good season because if we don't it is AG's fault? GET REAL! Without AG we might not have Crutcher, Crosby, Svoboda, or Jordan Davis. Then where would we be? Pray tell!
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Hawkoooo: Very well stated and quite enlightening. You are right; that entire junior class has been decimated. Tough to win without those experienced players. But I like the "young ones in the barn!" We are looking good after this year.
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That means we are down THREE would be junior starters and lost 4 starters to graduation. Yet somehow we are supposed to be good with a bunch of freshman and Crosby/Landers? Landers is basically a freshman in terms of experience. No Toppin and Pierce clearly isn't ready.
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3 would be junior starters? Seriously? What? Do you think Cunningham and/or DD would be on the bench if X Mikesell and Miller were available? Or do you have a lineup of DD playing point? SMH.
Let's get one thing straight, Miller would not be starting, not a chance. Mikesell probably would be coming off the bench too but that one I'm not certain of. But one thing I'm very certain of is the starting lineup would not be Miller, Cunningham, Mikesell, XW and who ever else you throw in there at PG.
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Interesting thread. It appears that the vast majority of posters realize the situation the Flyers are in. There are only two posters that are some what off the wall. Speaks well of the fan base. when I reflect on the firestorm that existed whem AM started off so poorly in conference, we seem to have a much firmer gasp of the situation and the causes.
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Interesting thread. It appears that the vast majority of posters realize the situation the Flyers are in. There are only two posters that are some what off the wall. Speaks well of the fan base. when I reflect on the firestorm that existed whem AM started off so poorly in conference, we seem to have a much firmer gasp of the situation and the causes.
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Funny thing, I stuck by AM through that terrible conference start and was proven to be right when all was said and done. See, I didn't need to learn from that because I was right all along. And I'm willing to wager it all to say I'm going to be right again. This program is going to go backwards from the AM years and I'm not referring to some temporary reset with AG, his record speaks for itself. And that's the **** shame of it all. Just because people want an alumni as coach thinking that it's better than a great coach using us as a stepping stone. Well, guess what, because the program is being set back again, it means more stepping stone years from now when we have a good coach again. The real way to stop being used as a stepping stone is to become a destination program for great coaches not a final program for a mediocre one.
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As a side note, UD currently has the fifth highest SOS acording to UDpride and #4 at ESPN. Pride rpi is 87. So the competition hasn't been easy by any stretch. Results could be a bit better but given our youth and inexperience it isn't the dumpster fire portrayed by some( make that 2).
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Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.
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Good point. I wasn't one that called for his head when he had early failures here and seemingly was on the brink of losing the team. The thing that does stick with me is once his team reached the level of tournament contender they never regressed again. And never looked back. I'm hoping for similar results from this staff. As long as we get there, even if it takes three seasons, I want to stay there.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
Honest question. Should Archie be fired from Indiana? He is 5-5. They lost at home to Indiana State, whose only other D-I win this year was over Air Force at home.
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We should be fair and evaluate AG after 3 or 4 years.
But, if I play devil's advocate: IU is getting compliments from other coaches who are impressed with their offense and effort. But, they are obviously struggling on both ends of the court at times, and their effort is probably not so good at times.
We are struggling at times on both ends of the court, but our effort is mostly good. We are also getting compliments from opposing coaches.
Crean's first 3 years at IU, after taking over for the scandal-ridden Kelvin Sampson, were non-NCAAT years with losing records, perhaps Archie is on a better track than that.
AG is on track to have a worse start at UD vs. Archie's first year at UD. Perhaps Archie was left with a better roster in his first year at UD. But, AG was definitely left with a much better overall program at UD that was on the rise vs. the UD program that BG left Archie.
Archie has 4 losses to teams that are projected rpi #61 or better, he has just the one bad ISU loss. We have 4 losses to teams that are projected rpi #77 or worse.
I think Archie has it much easier in that he is taking over from a fired coach, whereas AG is taking over from a beloved coach.
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We should be fair and evaluate AG after 3 or 4 years.
Perhaps Archie was left with a better roster in his first year at UD..
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Archie definitely had a more experienced and talented roster. Future NBA player Chris Johnson, Paul Williams, Kevin Dillard and more...
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In my view, AM rode one good recruiting class to a P5 job. He is a great in game coach, and will do well at IU. He was not a great recruiter at UD,(did do well with transfers though) and left AG with a far weaker roster than BG left him. If comments made to Cohill are correct, he really didn't have the best interest of UD in mind. We were a get ticket punched stop for him. Nothing wrong with that but while he did elevate the profile of UD while here, his lack of recruiting results have us where we are now. AG hit a home run on his one recruit for next year, but it will take a number of those kind of results to get where he wants the program to be. Way too soon to evaluate AG's game effectivness as he tries to put a consistant team on the floor and do it with very young inconsistant players. One good thing about freshmen is thay become sophmores.
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I'm not fanning the flames but we got beat by a team that is part of a league in which we'd never lost. That's not a fluke that we were 13-0 against them. It is because they give no athletic scholarships. We got beat by doctors and lawyers. At home no less.
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I'm not fanning the flames but we got beat by a team that is part of a league in which we'd never lost. That's not a fluke that we were 13-0 against them. It is because they give no athletic scholarships. We got beat by doctors and lawyers. At home no less.
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Ty ! All they wanna do is make every excuse but blame the coach on here
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Ty ! All they wanna do is make every excuse but blame the coach on here
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I agree, there has been a whole lot of very creative excuse making on here since AG took over.
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It is one thing to blame the coach for a loss, it is another to call for a coach of one of the most inexperienced teams in D1, in his first year at a school, to be fired 7 games into the season LOL!
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