UDPride Discussion Forums    
     

Go Back   UDPride Discussion Forums > UDPRIDE SPORTS FORUMS > Mens Basketball

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-17-2018, 08:58 PM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,895
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
Missed most of the game

Did I really miss it? Doesn't seem so from the score. Read through the game thread. Amazing it was 20 - 20, then 42-30, then 61-42 next chance I got to look.

Observations based on box score and reading threads

1. No D, again
2. Poor shooting, poor shot selection. Based on box score, 13 - 38 on 3s. You just up 38 3s you deserve to lose. Only shot 24 2s. That's terrible. Looks like they didn't go inside to Cunningham, Landers 0 -6, X 1 - 8 including 0-5 from 3, DD 2 - 7 from 3. Only guy really hitting was Crutcher, who dropped in 23 points and made 7 - 10 3s.
4. I don't see Crosby listed in box score. Did he play?
5. Pierce didn't make trip again?
6. Kostas didn't play much?
7. Svoboda is bad, doesn't bring anything to the table
8. First time I've seen walk-ons in a blowout loss. Good for them to see the court, we know how hard they work. No Joey though?
9. J Davis bad shooting night
10. The indignity of the X game coming on right after the UD game.

I got nothing else. AG was right, they haven't arrived, or they have, but at the wrong destination. VCU lost at home to Richmond?
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to TXFlyerFan For This Totally Excellent Post:
NJFlyr71 (01-18-2018), rollo (01-17-2018)
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 01-17-2018, 09:05 PM
priceg75's Avatar
priceg75 priceg75 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Miami Twp.
Posts: 3,342
Thanks: 268
Thanked 2,234 Times in 1,038 Posts
priceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond reputepriceg75 has a reputation beyond repute
Book on us is simple, dare us to shoot 3s and we will more than oblige, shooting ourselves out of more games than we'll win.
Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to priceg75 For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (01-18-2018), MNFats (01-18-2018), Radar (01-18-2018), TXFlyerFan (01-17-2018)
  #3  
Old 01-17-2018, 09:39 PM
ClaytonFlyerFan's Avatar
ClaytonFlyerFan ClaytonFlyerFan is offline
General of the Air Force
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,040
Thanks: 8,801
Thanked 8,556 Times in 3,701 Posts
ClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
I missed it too for my daughters game. Debating on if I waste a couple hours watching the replay I recorded or just delete the **** thing. Did Westerfield really play 8 minutes as the box score indicates?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-17-2018, 09:46 PM
C-time's Avatar
C-time C-time is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,592
Thanks: 1,838
Thanked 2,451 Times in 1,244 Posts
C-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond reputeC-time has a reputation beyond repute
DELETE !!!!!!!!!!!

IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and the box score is correct.
Reply With Quote
5 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to C-time For This Totally Excellent Post:
BeckysTXA (01-18-2018), ClaytonFlyerFan (01-17-2018), Figgie123 (01-17-2018), flyerfanatic86 (01-18-2018), Radar (01-18-2018)
  #5  
Old 01-17-2018, 09:55 PM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,895
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
Didn't see until afterwards that Crosby didn't make the trip due to illness. Doubt it would have made any difference, since our problems did not initiate at the PG spot.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-17-2018, 09:58 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,252
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 3,904 Times in 2,143 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Trey shouldn't have more 3 point attempts than 2 point attempts

Offense needs to try (try not always succeed) in getting good looks & high % shots
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-17-2018, 10:11 PM
udx2's Avatar
udx2 udx2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Huntsville
Posts: 4,693
Thanks: 652
Thanked 1,080 Times in 676 Posts
udx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant futureudx2 has a brilliant future
I hate to miss Flyer games but missed the second half because of a dinner meeting.

First time I ever was actually thankful that a meeting prevented me from seeing part of a Flyer game.

That summarizes this season.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-18-2018, 08:12 AM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,416
Thanks: 1,527
Thanked 2,328 Times in 1,078 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
I missed it too for my daughters game. Debating on if I waste a couple hours watching the replay I recorded or just delete the **** thing. Did Westerfield really play 8 minutes as the box score indicates?
Yes Westerfield did play- and actually- he played really well. I wouldn’t be disappointed in seeing more of him.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to longtimefan67 For This Totally Excellent Post:
ClaytonFlyerFan (01-18-2018), rollo (01-18-2018)
  #9  
Old 01-18-2018, 08:29 AM
Radar Radar is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,817
Thanks: 2,633
Thanked 2,700 Times in 1,283 Posts
Radar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Trey shouldn't have more 3 point attempts than 2 point attempts
...neither should XW. He's 6 friggin 8 feet tall!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-18-2018, 08:58 AM
NJFlyr71's Avatar
NJFlyr71 NJFlyr71 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NJ Beach Livin'
Posts: 3,226
Thanks: 1,484
Thanked 1,912 Times in 1,082 Posts
NJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond reputeNJFlyr71 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Trey shouldn't have more 3 point attempts than 2 point attempts

Offense needs to try (try not always succeed) in getting good looks & high % shots
Posted via Mobile Device

Just like that famous Start Wars actor " Offense not try, DO! "
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-18-2018, 09:28 AM
m21eagle45's Avatar
m21eagle45 m21eagle45 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,616
Thanks: 3,383
Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,418 Posts
m21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Radar View Post
...neither should XW. He's 6 friggin 8 feet tall!
I hate this argument. Who cares how tall he is? Since 2005, 8 times a person 6'7" or taller has won the NBA 3 point contest. X shot 41.5% from 3 last year and hit a few very clutch 3's. If he can make the shot take it. This year has been a bad year for him, and he is not hitting nearly as much, but his height has nothing to do with it.

EDIT:

Having a tall player that can hit from the outside causes major matchup problems and opens up the floor. If you have a guy that is tall and can stretch the floor, it is to your advantage to use it.

Last edited by m21eagle45; 01-18-2018 at 09:52 AM..
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to m21eagle45 For This Totally Excellent Post:
MNFats (01-18-2018), SeasonTicketFan (01-18-2018)
  #12  
Old 01-18-2018, 09:49 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,423
Thanks: 6,783
Thanked 6,122 Times in 4,168 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Yes Westerfield did play- and actually- he played really well. I wouldn’t be disappointed in seeing more of him.
Posted via Mobile Device
I agree. I thought Greer looked good too. Play both of them more. Both hustled.

I actually found myself getting excited watching both of those guys playing, I was actually cheering from the couch. They were flying around the court.

Last edited by ud2; 01-18-2018 at 10:02 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-18-2018, 10:24 AM
Radar Radar is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,817
Thanks: 2,633
Thanked 2,700 Times in 1,283 Posts
Radar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
I hate this argument. Who cares how tall he is? Since 2005, 8 times a person 6'7" or taller has won the NBA 3 point contest. X shot 41.5% from 3 last year and hit a few very clutch 3's. If he can make the shot take it. This year has been a bad year for him, and he is not hitting nearly as much, but his height has nothing to do with it.

EDIT:

Having a tall player that can hit from the outside causes major matchup problems and opens up the floor. If you have a guy that is tall and can stretch the floor, it is to your advantage to use it.
And when your shot isn't falling, which it hasn't been most of the year, you utilize your abilities elsewhere to help the team succeed, which includes giving THE APPEARANCE as though you give a d***!
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Radar For This Totally Excellent Post:
jack72 (01-18-2018)
  #14  
Old 01-18-2018, 10:49 AM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,895
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
I hate this argument. Who cares how tall he is? Since 2005, 8 times a person 6'7" or taller has won the NBA 3 point contest. X shot 41.5% from 3 last year and hit a few very clutch 3's. If he can make the shot take it. This year has been a bad year for him, and he is not hitting nearly as much, but his height has nothing to do with it.

EDIT:

Having a tall player that can hit from the outside causes major matchup problems and opens up the floor. If you have a guy that is tall and can stretch the floor, it is to your advantage to use it.
Yes, but those same NBA guys also do more than chuck up 3s, which X appears unwilling or unable to do.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-18-2018, 10:55 AM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,895
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
I can see the appeal of shooting the open 3, especially if you came from the NBA where anyone outside of DeAndre Jordan can probably hit a 3. The difference is anyone who is open for a 3 is just as apt to make a drive towards the hoop or dump it inside, etc. Our guys not so much. I have seen Jordan Davis pass up the three and drive to the hoop but most guys don't. This means that we rarely get to the foul line and more importantly, get the opposing team in foul trouble where they can't guard as closely.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-18-2018, 11:52 AM
DallasFlyer's Avatar
DallasFlyer DallasFlyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 3,891
Thanks: 655
Thanked 3,699 Times in 1,668 Posts
DallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
I can see the appeal of shooting the open 3, especially if you came from the NBA where anyone outside of DeAndre Jordan can probably hit a 3. The difference is anyone who is open for a 3 is just as apt to make a drive towards the hoop or dump it inside, etc. Our guys not so much. I have seen Jordan Davis pass up the three and drive to the hoop but most guys don't. This means that we rarely get to the foul line and more importantly, get the opposing team in foul trouble where they can't guard as closely.
The NBA has been trending this way for awhile but Golden State took it to another level. As all leagues are, the NBA is a copy cat league and a lot of teams seem to be trying to build a starting five with five guys who can really stroke the three. I think they sort of stumbled into using Draymond Green as a big who could put it on the deck and feed other shooters too. But the way Golden State plays is largely the way the game should be played statistically speaking as the highest percentage shots are now three pointers and of course layups. The mid range jumper is a lost art at all levels now. Since guys are less likely to make them, why shoot them?

We've seen it somewhat on the NCAA level I think too but there hasn't been that one team like Golden State to really set it as the model. With the dearth of true centers and interior guys though, I think it's coming. If you squint really hard, you could sort of see Dayton going this route with guys like Kostas, Svoboda, Mikesell and Xeyrius on the roster. Of course, you've got to actually make the threes for it to work. We're certainly jacking them at up a high rate though.

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
I hate this argument. Who cares how tall he is? Since 2005, 8 times a person 6'7" or taller has won the NBA 3 point contest. X shot 41.5% from 3 last year and hit a few very clutch 3's. If he can make the shot take it. This year has been a bad year for him, and he is not hitting nearly as much, but his height has nothing to do with it.
That is a bad take. Dirk is 7 feet tall. Larry Bird is 6-9. Reggie Miller 6-7. Xeyrius Williams at 6-8 is smack dab between Luke Fabrizius (6-9) and Ryan Perryman (6-7) in terms of height. But his game is so much closer to Luke Fab's. Would I like him to play more on the Perryman spectrum? Heck yeah. We could really use another beast like Perryman to pair with Josh Cunningham.

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
I missed it too for my daughters game. Debating on if I waste a couple hours watching the replay I recorded or just delete the **** thing. Did Westerfield really play 8 minutes as the box score indicates?
I missed it too. Took my daughter to gymnastics. I wasn't going to look at the score. I was just going to watch it when I got home. But I snuck a peak on twitter and saw the collective groaning, at which point my mind was made up. I deleted. Unless you're related to Jack Westerfield, don't torture yourself!
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to DallasFlyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
TXFlyerFan (01-18-2018)
  #17  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:16 PM
rollo's Avatar
rollo rollo is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: RolloCon
Posts: 16,546
Thanks: 16,232
Thanked 15,872 Times in 6,979 Posts
rollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond repute
If someone else is able to fight for rebounds, I don't mind a 6'8" player chucking up 3's...but we don't have many rebounders....in fact, sometimes we don't have any large bodies (Cunningham) on the court! At those times, I want XW on the low block with strict orders to set picks, attack the basket and fight for offensive RBs.
__________________
I shaved my balls for this?
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to rollo For This Totally Excellent Post:
CoffeeCan (01-18-2018), TXFlyerFan (01-18-2018)
  #18  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:31 PM
TXFlyerFan TXFlyerFan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,895
Thanks: 1,341
Thanked 1,302 Times in 674 Posts
TXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeTXFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
The NBA has been trending this way for awhile but Golden State took it to another level. As all leagues are, the NBA is a copy cat league and a lot of teams seem to be trying to build a starting five with five guys who can really stroke the three. I think they sort of stumbled into using Draymond Green as a big who could put it on the deck and feed other shooters too. But the way Golden State plays is largely the way the game should be played statistically speaking as the highest percentage shots are now three pointers and of course layups. The mid range jumper is a lost art at all levels now. Since guys are less likely to make them, why shoot them?

We've seen it somewhat on the NCAA level I think too but there hasn't been that one team like Golden State to really set it as the model. With the dearth of true centers and interior guys though, I think it's coming. If you squint really hard, you could sort of see Dayton going this route with guys like Kostas, Svoboda, Mikesell and Xeyrius on the roster. Of course, you've got to actually make the threes for it to work. We're certainly jacking them at up a high rate though.
Yep, and I think the Kentucky team from a few years ago was built this way, either three or layup. It's not a bad model, but the thing is, if you aren't hitting the three, you have to make some layups. Just jacking up more 3s won't fix the problem. We need guys who can take it to the hole, whether off the screen, off the dribble, etc. That means that if you beat your guy, another guy has to help on D, then that leaves someone else open or you get fouled and to the line to make FTs and get the other team in foul trouble. We've seen teams do it to UD, but we rarely do it to other teams. That's the troubling part. I'm sure AG emphasizes it, but the message doesn't appear to be sinking in.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to TXFlyerFan For This Totally Excellent Post:
DallasFlyer (01-18-2018)
  #19  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:31 PM
m21eagle45's Avatar
m21eagle45 m21eagle45 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,616
Thanks: 3,383
Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,418 Posts
m21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond reputem21eagle45 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Radar View Post
And when your shot isn't falling, which it hasn't been most of the year, you utilize your abilities elsewhere to help the team succeed, which includes giving THE APPEARANCE as though you give a d***!
I agree, he hasn't looked like he has been giving effort at all this year. Which may be why his shot isn't falling. But in this era of basketball, if you have the ability you still need to be a threat. Look at our shot chart against VCU. It was nothing but 3's and dunks/layups. That is what basketball is going to whether we like it or not.


Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
Yes, but those same NBA guys also do more than chuck up 3s, which X appears unwilling or unable to do.
I think with X it definitely seems like unwilling more than anything else. But even under AM when X was playing much better, his role was more of a perimeter player. He has never been one to play with his back to the basket.

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
I can see the appeal of shooting the open 3, especially if you came from the NBA where anyone outside of DeAndre Jordan can probably hit a 3. The difference is anyone who is open for a 3 is just as apt to make a drive towards the hoop or dump it inside, etc. Our guys not so much. I have seen Jordan Davis pass up the three and drive to the hoop but most guys don't. This means that we rarely get to the foul line and more importantly, get the opposing team in foul trouble where they can't guard as closely.
I agree, if they can drive and get a dunk or layup, that should be first priority for everyone not named Davis. With us going to a 4 guard, or 3 guard 2 forward lineup, everyone needs to at least be a threat from 3. When you play small ball, spacing is key. If they don't respect a player as a threat from the outside they can sag and that ruins the spacing on the floor.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:43 PM
TommyGola's Avatar
TommyGola TommyGola is offline
General
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,924
Thanks: 1,602
Thanked 2,810 Times in 1,546 Posts
TommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond reputeTommyGola has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I agree. I thought Greer looked good too. Play both of them more. Both hustled.

I actually found myself getting excited watching both of those guys playing, I was actually cheering from the couch. They were flying around the court.
I am glad others recognized both Greer and Westerfeld. I thought they both looked in the time they were in there. I realize it was mop-up time, but those two guys brought more energy to the team than any of the other subs.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:44 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,423
Thanks: 6,783
Thanked 6,122 Times in 4,168 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
I absolutely hate jacking up 3's. I can't stand it. It is such a lazy, ineffective way to play the game.

If I was a hc, I would only give a green light to a player to jack a 3 anytime in the shot clock if that guy was shooting 3's around 39% or better. Otherwise, work the ball around the court, and take the best shot. Shoot a 3 only if the shot clock is winding down.

We should always, always, always be looking to dribble drive or get the ball into the low post first, every single time down the floor, other than if DD or JD has an open, uncontested 3. DD is shooting 41% from 3. JD is shooting 45% from 3.

Last edited by ud2; 01-18-2018 at 12:50 PM..
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to ud2 For This Totally Excellent Post:
BeckysTXA (01-18-2018)
  #22  
Old 01-18-2018, 12:48 PM
Figgie123's Avatar
Figgie123 Figgie123 is offline
I Am A Statistical God
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Riverside, Ohio
Posts: 5,503
Thanks: 4,687
Thanked 6,152 Times in 2,316 Posts
Figgie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond reputeFiggie123 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
... as we do not have a single guy on the roster who is shooting 39% or better from 3.
The Davis brothers. 40.7 (DD) and 44.6 (JD).

That's just to update the facts, not to argue against your statement.
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Figgie123 For This Totally Excellent Post:
Cityengr (01-18-2018), ud2 (01-19-2018)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement System V2.6 By   Branden

     
 
Copyright 1996-2012 UDPride.com. All Rights Reserved.