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Offense ! Painful to watch

Letís just play ring around the Rosie. Pass up open shots, then up chuck a 3 with five seconds on the shot clock
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Koby sick
Mali first game back, clearly winded despite only 21 min
Mike sick
Toumani sick and coming off a minor injury

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R u not watching ? It has stunk for 2.5 games straight
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Donít blame the players, it is the coach.
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Old 11-19-2022, 06:59 PM
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last time I checked Coach Grant has 0 years of eligibility,
so he cannot shoot the ball....
Mali had months off, totally understand that...
Elvis has not had that...

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our starting backcourt was 5 for 23, and 2 for 10 from 3
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Iím a big fan of CAG, but I do have to ask: when nothing was working offensively in the 2nd half (nearly 4 minutes without a point), why did CAG not choose to substitute, at least a little bit?
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This was an ugly game.

But the most important thing is we got our floor general his first minutes of the year right before our most important OOC games and we got a W.

Mali obviously needs some time to get back in rhythm and the rest of the offense needs time to get back in rhythm with Mali. Would anybody be happy if Maii's first game back was against Wisconsin and he was as offensively out of synch as he was today?

Injuries don't just hurt when the player is out but they also hurt when your first get them back into action.

A tight game is better than a blowout IMO because there's no way this team is going to go to the Bahamas all cocky. The only real negative is you hope some of these buy games are blowouts so that you can get Amaefule and Washington some time on the court. That's just going to have to wait.
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Old 11-19-2022, 08:19 PM
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And remember last year, we played like crap and then beat KS.
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Mike was recovering from being sick... so who
would you have put in?
I want Mali in, who would of replaced Elvis

we won the game, I can't think of any personnel change
that would of given us better chances of
winning....
backcourt shoots like that against Wisconsin
chances are not very good in leaving with a W

good job by Amzil, Camara and Deuce
if we are going to blame CAG for backcourt
5 for 23 shooting,
then the reverse is true:
great coaching by CAG for Amzil, Camara
and Deuce.. tough win lets take it for
what it is and move on....
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Earlier this week, #1 North Carolina won at home against Gardner-Webb by 6 points. We won today. These kind of games will happen during a long regular season. The overreaction by some is ridiculous.
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This was an ugly game.

But the most important thing is we got our floor general his first minutes of the year right before our most important OOC games and we got a W.

Mali obviously needs some time to get back in rhythm and the rest of the offense needs time to get back in rhythm with Mali. Would anybody be happy if Maii's first game back was against Wisconsin and he was as offensively out of synch as he was today?

Injuries don't just hurt when the player is out but they also hurt when your first get them back into action.

A tight game is better than a blowout IMO because there's no way this team is going to go to the Bahamas all cocky. The only real negative is you hope some of these buy games are blowouts so that you can get Amaefule and Washington some time on the court. That's just going to have to wait.
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If anyone thought Mali would come back and everything would run smooth, like he had never missed a game is delusional, at best. Throw in the illnesses, and this is what you get.
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last time I checked Coach Grant has 0 years of eligibility,
so he cannot shoot the ball....
I was driving and did not watch the game. However, I'de bet AG can still shoot!

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With Mali being hurt for so long, injuries to Deuce and Camara, illnesses etc.. it's not surprising the offense has no flow. The flow will come. Just like the flow of UDscott's idiotic postings.
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The offense is hard to watch at the moment. It is normally 10 games into the season before we plateau at working things out as a team, and playing to whatever level our talent allows. I think the players and coaches are still working on the formula that makes things work for us on offense. Fortunately, the defense is good enough right now to allow us to have some time to figure it out without lots of damage. We still have not identified what our go-to options are on offense. We have not found the plays that we can rely on that take maximum advantage of our offensive strengths. I do believe the talent is there. We don't have the confidence and execution to unleash it right now.

Mali's return is an important element in this. He plays like none of our other pg's. Robert Morris had a quick pg who gave problems to our other pg's, but Mali out-quicked him and turned the tables in our favor at the position. He is going to allow us to do some things that we are otherwise not capable of without him on the floor. When he has the ball, he dictates where the ball goes. When our other pg's had the ball, the defense was dictating and disrupting our plans on the first pass. Mali also gave us immediate improvement in applying ball pressure defensively.

The difference between last year and this year at this point in the season is that we have the defense playing well and reliably.

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With Mali being hurt for so long, injuries to Deuce and Camara, illnesses etc.. it's not surprising the offense has no flow. The flow will come. Just like the flow of UDscott's idiotic postings.
Please tell me where in my post Iím exaggerating, Iím lying or etcÖ, YES OR NO is the offense painful to watch
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The offense is hard to watch at the moment. It is normally 10 games into the season before we plateau at working things out as a team, and playing to whatever level our talent allows. I think the players and coaches are still working on the formula that makes things work for us on offense. Fortunately, the defense is good enough right now to allow us to have some time to figure it out without lots of damage. We still have not identified what our go-to options are on offense. We have not found the plays that we can rely on that take maximum advantage of our offensive strengths. I do believe the talent is there. We don't have the confidence and execution to unleash it right now.

Mali's return is an important element in this. He plays like none of our other pg's. Robert Morris had a quick pg who gave problems to our other pg's, but Mali out-quicked him and turned the tables in our favor at the position. He is going to allow us to do some things that we are otherwise not capable of without him on the floor. When he has the ball, he dictates where the ball goes. When our other pg's had the ball, the defense was dictating and disrupting our plans on the first pass. Mali also gave us immediate improvement in applying ball pressure defensively.

The difference between last year and this year at this point in the season is that we have the defense playing well and reliably.
I really hope with all the continuity that it doesn’t take 10 games. The only new person is Mike and I understand he is a freshman with major potential and will have his issues but the rest of the team knows the system
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I really hope with all the continuity that it doesn’t take 10 games. The only new person is Mike and I understand he is a freshman with major potential and will have his issues but the rest of the team knows the system
One important reason we do so well in these holiday tournaments is because we are usually closer to peak form, and more motivated than our competition from major conferences. They have so many ways to get into the tourney, whereas our path is usually much narrower and at times predicated on winning a couple of games against tournament teams.

This year, I think injuries have hampered our development and we have yet to see how good this team can be at full strength. We are heading in the right direction though. If we can shake the flu bug, and with everyone healthy otherwise, we should be ready to make some noise in the Bahamas.
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the one thing helping us is our very strong defense,
we are top 25 in the nation not too far away from
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One important reason we do so well in these holiday tournaments is because we are usually closer to peak form, and more motivated than our competition from major conferences. They have so many ways to get into the tourney, whereas our path is usually much narrower and at times predicated on winning a couple of games against tournament teams.

This year, I think injuries have hampered our development and we have yet to see how good this team can be at full strength. We are heading in the right direction though. If we can shake the flu bug, and with everyone healthy otherwise, we should be ready to make some noise in the Bahamas.
This is so true. I always got the feeling that when we play against the big boys of the big conferences in the holiday tournaments it is them playing their game with their generic game plan vs us game planning based on that. To me that's the main advantage we have plus of course the extra motivation of need and of course it's probably easier for our players to get up for Kansas than it is for Kansas to get up for us.
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One important reason we do so well in these holiday tournaments is because we are usually closer to peak form, and more motivated than our competition from major conferences. They have so many ways to get into the tourney, whereas our path is usually much narrower and at times predicated on winning a couple of games against tournament teams.

This year, I think injuries have hampered our development and we have yet to see how good this team can be at full strength. We are heading in the right direction though. If we can shake the flu bug, and with everyone healthy otherwise, we should be ready to make some noise in the Bahamas.
Most years that we have done well in holiday tournaments, we were not coming into those tournaments like a house on fire, but just started to put it all together at tournament time. I'm hoping this year is the same. I also think the normal curve is stunted by our starting pg being out for 3 of 4 games with injury. Brea being out hurt too. I do think that there is a noticeable pattern of taking about 10 games to find our true identity and stabilize. By that time, the players and coaches begin to know who we really are and who we are not.

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Yes, it may have been painful to watch on that day. (Disclaimer: I listened on the radio while driving, and it sounded painful). Who cares? They got the job done. In spite of Mali playing for the first time, and several guys being sick, they got it done. Time to move on. Mali has to get back into game flow as his teammates need to adjust to his presence, MIke's role, and Brea has played less than Mali! The offense is a beautiful thing when executed properly.......and very efficient. We saw this many times last year against top flight competition....with all the guys that will get minutes, sans Mike.

So, you're right. Print this out and put it on your refrigerator!

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Yes, it may have been painful to watch on that day. (Disclaimer: I listened on the radio while driving, and it sounded painful). Who cares? They got the job done. In spite of Mali playing for the first time, and several guys being sick, they got it done. Time to move on. Mali has to get back into game flow as his teammates need to adjust to his presence, MIke's role, and Brea has played less than Mali! The offense is a beautiful thing when executed properly.......and very efficient. We saw this many times last year against top flight competition....with all the guys that will get minutes, sans Mike.

So, you're right. Print this out and put it on your refrigerator!

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This is a message board to discuss the good and bad. Whether you agree with his other posts doesnít mean he canít make an accurate observation that the offense was hard to watch
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Wisconsin's opponents have made just 11.1% of their 3-point attempts this season.
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right, and our defense is top 25 also.....

we have 2 of the top defenses in the nation
playing each other...
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Letís just play ring around the Rosie. Pass up open shots, then up chuck a 3 with five seconds on the shot clock
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I heard AG has a contract for life at UD; let that sink in for a few minutes.
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I heard AG has a contract for life at UD; let that sink in for a few minutes.
Great post, took you 5 days to come up with that ?
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I heard AG has a contract for life at UD; let that sink in for a few minutes.
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I heard AG has a contract for life at UD; let that sink in for a few minutes.
Not even sure what that means. So Grant is 80 and senile as Biden, or more, and still has to coach UD. Like someone else asked, source please?
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This is a message board to discuss the good and bad. Whether you agree with his other posts doesnít mean he canít make an accurate observation that the offense was hard to watch
Uh, it clearly says that it sounded painful on the radio. (Again, I was driving) My point is that he may be correct, but to look at it without context is short sighted. Especially considering that they greatly improved last year with a majority of the same players.
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Haven't said much about the offense this year because we were missing Mali, and I still won't really comment on it in his first game back. HOWEVER, I have not been a fan of this offense for a few years now. I will always agree that it was great during the 29-2 season because I think it was perfect for Obi (Trey, Mikesell, and Ibi too; Crutcher would be great in almost any offense). But since and even before, not so much.

Since that season I feel like AG has tried to run the same offense but without personnel that fits it (think square peg, round hole). For much of the following season we had Jordy in the Obi role of the offense (yikes!). I also have heard people say we run the most complex offense in college basketball. I'll say one of two things about that is true then:
1. We need to dumb it down because we really don't run it very well and maybe it's too complex for our personnel.
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2. It's not really as complex as some will make you believe. I myself watch it and it doesn't seem any more complicated than most other college games I watch. As a matter of fact, I feel like it is very paint by the numbers and there really aren't a lot of reads off of it.

This is why I'm willing to put up with some Elvis clunker games (like RMU) because he is about the only one who sometimes deviates from the mold and creates outside of the offense. Tony White, who announced the RMU game, said this team is best getting its offense from its defense and in transition because the half-court offense gets bogged down too much. AMEN to that!

I'm not much into looking up offensive efficiency numbers, but can someone who is tell me how we have fared in that stat since AG has been here? I'd be interested to see and if I'm wrong I will gladly admit it. But sans numbers, I know the eye test does not do this offense any favors.
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Haven't said much about the offense this year because we were missing Mali, and I still won't really comment on it in his first game back. HOWEVER, I have not been a fan of this offense for a few years now. I will always agree that it was great during the 29-2 season because I think it was perfect for Obi (Trey, Mikesell, and Ibi too; Crutcher would be great in almost any offense). But since and even before, not so much.

Since that season I feel like AG has tried to run the same offense but without personnel that fits it (think square peg, round hole). For much of the following season we had Jordy in the Obi role of the offense (yikes!). I also have heard people say we run the most complex offense in college basketball. I'll say one of two things about that is true then:
1. We need to dumb it down because we really don't run it very well and maybe it's too complex for our personnel.
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2. It's not really as complex as some will make you believe. I myself watch it and it doesn't seem any more complicated than most other college games I watch. As a matter of fact, I feel like it is very paint by the numbers and there really aren't a lot of reads off of it.

This is why I'm willing to put up with some Elvis clunker games (like RMU) because he is about the only one who sometimes deviates from the mold and creates outside of the offense. Tony White, who announced the RMU game, said this team is best getting its offense from its defense and in transition because the half-court offense gets bogged down too much. AMEN to that!

I'm not much into looking up offensive efficiency numbers, but can someone who is tell me how we have fared in that stat since AG has been here? I'd be interested to see and if I'm wrong I will gladly admit it. But sans numbers, I know the eye test does not do this offense any favors.
Think about this for a second that even in the 29-2 season there were a boatload of times Obi bailed them out of bad possessions with the shot clock dwindling down by having them throw one up at the rim.

Having a great 3 point shooter like Crutcher and even a very much-improved perimeter game from Obi certainly made that offense easier. I think once Brea is back to normal and Camara starts hitting some 3's the offense opens up.
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I'm not much into looking up offensive efficiency numbers, but can someone who is tell me how we have fared in that stat since AG has been here? I'd be interested to see and if I'm wrong I will gladly admit it. But sans numbers, I know the eye test does not do this offense any favors.
https://barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Dayton

Click on Grant's name to get his offensive and defensive efficiency numbers for his whole hc career other than his first year at VCU. He was hc at VCU for 3 years. The link above only has his numbers at Dayton.
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Obi had the best receiving hands and receiving range for lobs that I have ever seen. He also turned into a tremendous passer out of the double team. He was a fantastic college player. We now have different strengths and weaknesses in the post. Our post defense is awesome with Holmes (much better than Obi), but the way we move the ball in and out of the post is not real fluid yet. He struggles more to cleanly receive, and is still trying to get a handle on the ball while he is double-teamed. The instant that Obi got his hands on the ball he was ready to dunk or pass. He anticipated the double team and whipped an accurate pass out often before the double arrived, putting the defense in an awful position.

We are still a work in progress at all positions on offense. I really think that Mali's absence has been a part of that and we will adjust to better ball control on offense to start the sequence of events that have to happen to get good shots consistently.
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https://barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Dayton

Click on Grant's name to get his offensive and defensive efficiency numbers for his whole hc career other than his first year at VCU. He was hc at VCU for 3 years. The link above only has his numbers at Dayton.
If I am reading this properly, AGís UD offensive nbrs look pretty good every year even his first year with Crosby leading the O.
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If I am reading this properly, AG’s UD offensive nbrs look pretty good every year even his first year with Crosby leading the O.
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No, not IMO, he needs to get that offensive efficiency down into the 30's or 40's or really get the defense down into the mid 30's or better if your offensive numbers are weaker.

Look at his 3rd year, we were #3 in offense, we haven't come close to that since.

We were 58 offense and 39 defense last year as the first team out.

We are 84 and 24 this year. Offense needs to be better. The defense is doing really good.
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If I am reading this properly, AGís UD offensive nbrs look pretty good every year even his first year with Crosby leading the O.
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Crosby leading the O? Think you better check that. A freshman named Crutcher took the job from him and averaged 31.2 minutes a game. Crosby started 9 games and averaged 14.7 minutes.
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Three timeouts and the best AG can drum up is an iso play... not your best players at the rim?

Obi Toppin made Anthony Grant. The Homer defense gets weaker game after game.
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Three timeouts and the best AG can drum up is an iso play... not your best players at the rim?

Obi Toppin made Anthony Grant. The Homer defense gets weaker game after game.
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Yeah, shocka43, I was upset that our last play was no more than ďalley ballĒ as my late mother used to call it. Even if Grant wanted Elvis to take that last shot, there should have been a set play to get him open for a decent shot. Even ďThe Picket FenceĒ from the movie Hoosiers would have been an improvement, if Elvis was going to be the one to take the shot.

On the subject of Toppin/Grant, one could make the argument that each made the other. Given, Obi was the one who put in the work to develop his skills, but Grant had to find ways to showcase those skills while building a team capable of going 29-2. And itís obvious at this point that, for Obiís sake, Grant was a better coach than Thibs.

That said, that one season and Grantís status as an alum donít (and shouldnít) give Grant a free pass for the rest of his career. And while I donít expect it to turn around completely today, it needs to turn around sooner rather than later.
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Heís also 2019-2020 National Coach of the Year. It was an abysmal shooting performance by the players, not CAG. Move on, letís get a win today.
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Heís also 2019-2020 National Coach of the Year. It was an abysmal shooting performance by the players, not CAG. Move on, letís get a win today.
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He also only made the NCAA tourney twice (including COVID year) in the last ten years. So is it possible 2019/20 was an outlier?
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Wisconsin players canít throw it in the ocean and have 22 points at the break. Coach Gard is terrible, should be fired.
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My thoughts on the last plays of the game.

Wisconsin ran an isolate play on the previous possession, and it was stuffed. Was that bad coaching or typical of how defense dominated on both ends? Those two players looked eerily similar.

The odds of UD scoring on the last play were low. They show 30% for the game, so the odds of scoring were probably along those lines. Defense just shut down offense all day. That last two plays were typical for both teams.

The only offense that worked in the game for UD was the isolate dribble drive. Seemed logical that it was going to be the last play. Nothing else worked all day.

UD players are not setting hard enough picks. Teams are fighting through them too easy. No separation. Everything made in the game was a guard trying to create alone. Both sides. There were very few assists.

Wisconsin player after the game said that something about guards going to their strong hand, so he anticipated correctly the move by Elvis. The play evolved similar to Mali drive against Kansas last year. The difference was the bounce of the block. Grant seems to want his guards to make plays at the end of half and games to win the game. Looked like there was no attempt to set something up for Deuce. Deuce took only 6 shots.

This year, Elvis or Mali or Mike can't get that disruption to the basket. On offense, they needs some guard explosion and better 3 point shooting more than anything else.

One thing that UD is especially weak. Entry passes to the post. This requires skill from the big AND the passer to get position, seal off the passing lane from the defense and execute quickly. It seems as if UD guards are very bad at the skill of the proper post entry passes.
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I am really hoping Grant shakes things us a little with the lineup. Mali isn't ready for prime time yet, and likely won't be until just about time for conference play. Elvis is struggling running the point and Blakney isn't producing much on the offense. I would try having Mike get most of the PG minutes and start, sit Blakny and let Amzil start at the 3, let Elvis play most of his time at the 2 and just focus on scoring.
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I am really hoping Grant shakes things us a little with the lineup. Mali isn't ready for prime time yet, and likely won't be until just about time for conference play. Elvis is struggling running the point and Blakney isn't producing much on the offense. I would try having Mike get most of the PG minutes and start, sit Blakny and let Amzil start at the 3, let Elvis play most of his time at the 2 and just focus on scoring.
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I am really hoping Grant shakes things us a little with the lineup. Mali isn't ready for prime time yet, and likely won't be until just about time for conference play. Elvis is struggling running the point and Blakney isn't producing much on the offense. I would try having Mike get most of the PG minutes and start, sit Blakny and let Amzil start at the 3, let Elvis play most of his time at the 2 and just focus on scoring.
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I am really hoping Grant shakes things us a little with the lineup. Mali isn't ready for prime time yet, and likely won't be until just about time for conference play. Elvis is struggling running the point and Blakney isn't producing much on the offense. I would try having Mike get most of the PG minutes and start, sit Blakny and let Amzil start at the 3, let Elvis play most of his time at the 2 and just focus on scoring.
I don't know. We at least had a chance to win due to our defense yesterday. Can you imagine if our shooting doesn't improve much today and we take our foot off the gas when it comes to D?

Hopefully we can get the ball inside easier against these guys. And Mali is still a beast on D.
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I am really hoping Grant shakes things us a little with the lineup. Mali isn't ready for prime time yet, and likely won't be until just about time for conference play. Elvis is struggling running the point and Blakney isn't producing much on the offense. I would try having Mike get most of the PG minutes and start, sit Blakny and let Amzil start at the 3, let Elvis play most of his time at the 2 and just focus on scoring.
I agree we need to shake things up. I like Amzil starting over Blakney and have Elvis play the 2 exclusively. Mike should get more PT at the point, but I think Mali should start and get as many minutes as we can give him. He is not his aggressive self, and I think this is more mental than physical at this point. The more floor time he get, the more likely he will shake it off and start playing like his old self. At least I hope so. Without Mali in peak form, our offense will struggle all year. I think Mike at point will give us a tall player at the top of the key, which makes passing the ball into the post much easier, a key feature of the offense that has been glaringly missing, yet much needed for us to score points. Our two best players are under the basket, we need to either get them the ball on every possession or lose the game trying. Jacking up threes, even open threes, isnít going to win us many games, weíre just not very good at it.
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This is about the best bulletin board material I've ever seen!

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This is about the best bulletin board material I've ever seen!

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Such garbage. Why are the Flyers being blamed for this when it's Wisconsin that is known to have these kind of games year in and year out?

I always had a warm spot in my heart for NC St because of Valvano and the fact Archie played there. But after reading that and a lot of comments in their team's message board, that's gone.
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My thoughts on the last plays of the game.

Wisconsin ran an isolate play on the previous possession, and it was stuffed. Was that bad coaching or typical of how defense dominated on both ends? Those two players looked eerily similar.

The odds of UD scoring on the last play were low. They show 30% for the game, so the odds of scoring were probably along those lines. Defense just shut down offense all day. That last two plays were typical for both teams.

The only offense that worked in the game for UD was the isolate dribble drive. Seemed logical that it was going to be the last play. Nothing else worked all day.

UD players are not setting hard enough picks. Teams are fighting through them too easy. No separation. Everything made in the game was a guard trying to create alone. Both sides. There were very few assists.

Wisconsin player after the game said that something about guards going to their strong hand, so he anticipated correctly the move by Elvis. The play evolved similar to Mali drive against Kansas last year. The difference was the bounce of the block. Grant seems to want his guards to make plays at the end of half and games to win the game. Looked like there was no attempt to set something up for Deuce. Deuce took only 6 shots.

This year, Elvis or Mali or Mike can't get that disruption to the basket. On offense, they needs some guard explosion and better 3 point shooting more than anything else.

One thing that UD is especially weak. Entry passes to the post. This requires skill from the big AND the passer to get position, seal off the passing lane from the defense and execute quickly. It seems as if UD guards are very bad at the skill of the proper post entry passes.
This goes back to an earlier post of mine. If the Flyers chance of scoring is 30 percent, and that's probably based on a full shot clock to do it in, then why wait and try to do it on the final possession by running clock down? The odds have to drop if you are trying to do it in the final 8 seconds or so of the shot clock. And, if you do have to give the Badgers a chance of scoring again, I'm pretty sure that their odds of them scoring with 15 seconds on the clock is much less than Dayton's with 25 seconds. At least the box score shows that.

Also, with 2 seconds left on the clock, I was thinking back to that Mali to RJ play that allowed us to win in Richmond last season. Why not put RJ in there, if he's open as he was then, go for it, if not, fake the inbound pass to him (thinking that Wisconsin might know about it and react) then maybe have a player open to shoot the final shot.

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don't see where it was posted, just an FYI
exciting game great 2nd half comeback...
In overtime, Kansas over Wisconsin by 1 pt
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don't see where it was posted, just an FYI
exciting game great 2nd half comeback...
In overtime, Kansas over Wisconsin by 1 pt
So Kansas is 1 point better than us since they tied in regulation which is all we have to go by.
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until a team proves otherwise, with each game
I am thinking our defense is elite, just very good...

the game stats were close in Kansas/Wisconsin
both teams shot 38% from the field,
both teams shot 31% from 3
Kansas actually had 15 more rebounds than Wisconsin,
holy cow... but they also had 13 turnovers to
Wisconsin 6.. fun game to watch
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Amen! The Flyers have had some of the worst pace in the country since AG got here and he obviously has no desire to change that. I complained about it all last year and apparently I'll have to continue to complain about it this year too.
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Amen! The Flyers have had some of the worst pace in the country since AG got here and he obviously has no desire to change that. I complained about it all last year and apparently I'll have to continue to complain about it this year too.
But AG was the coach of the year
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Heís also 2019-2020 National Coach of the Year. It was an abysmal shooting performance by the players, not CAG. Move on, letís get a win today.
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He got coach of the year by having an Obi and the results exceeding expectations. Other than that, where are we?

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I don't know. We at least had a chance to win due to our defense yesterday. Can you imagine if our shooting doesn't improve much today and we take our foot off the gas when it comes to D?

Hopefully we can get the ball inside easier against these guys. And Mali is still a beast on D.
I guess we don't have to imagine what that scenario is like. I guess my way of thinking is if things aren't working, try something else. Maybe Grant will read my post and try my suggestions.
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I guess we don't have to imagine what that scenario is like. I guess my way of thinking is if things aren't working, try something else. Maybe Grant will read my post and try my suggestions.
The biggest problem is our best defensive lineup, which has been our normal starting lineup for most of last year and this year has terrible shooters. And our best offensive lineup(Amzil and Mike are our only decent 3 point shooters so far this season) turn our defense into swiss cheese. Elvis and Blakney were streaky last year and they can't hit the broad side of a barn so far this year.

I personally think this team has to have an identity and that identity is defense first. Blakney should never come out of the starting lineup, but he better find out why he's 2-17 at the 3 point line and fix it yesterday. Also, if we want to add a little more offense to our starting lineup without losing defense, we need to pull Elvis out and either Move Blakney to SG(using Amzil) or keep Blakney at 3 and move Mike to SG. Maybe have Mike and Blakney both in and have them trade off between 2 and 3.
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The biggest problem is our best defensive lineup, which has been our normal starting lineup for most of last year and this year has terrible shooters. And our best offensive lineup(Amzil and Mike are our only decent 3 point shooters so far this season) turn our defense into swiss cheese. Elvis and Blakney were streaky last year and they can't hit the broad side of a barn so far this year.

I personally think this team has to have an identity and that identity is defense first. Blakney should never come out of the starting lineup, but he better find out why he's 2-17 at the 3 point line and fix it yesterday. Also, if we want to add a little more offense to our starting lineup without losing defense, we need to pull Elvis out and either Move Blakney to SG(using Amzil) or keep Blakney at 3 and move Mike to SG. Maybe have Mike and Blakney both in and have them trade off between 2 and 3.
I think you hit it on the head. Not enough balanced players - and balanced means being able to hit a three when wide open. Donít need to be great at everything but canít have so many with major holes. Give me a Pierre. Landers and Oliver developed into more balanced players. Sibert was a great 3 point shooter, but could also go to the rim if defender jumped out at him. And his D was solid.

Agree that Blakney is the key. Pound for pound he is our most athletic, good defender and showed ability to hit from three and get to the rim and hammer it home.

Give Mali a couple weeks to see how plays. But this team needs some offense out of the PG. canít shoot it from 3 and gets blocked when he drives it. Might need MM to primarily take the point.
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