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X in 334 minutes attempted 62 threes. Jordan Davis in 856 minutes attempted 135
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............Sir Trey Landers .............vs .................. X Williams

I get the comparison.
Agree with the thoughts inside the box.
I'm as disappointing as anyone to see the X situation go south.

Posting that to take a shot a UD player...likely says more about the board than the player.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
X in 334 minutes attempted 62 threes. Jordan Davis in 856 minutes attempted 135
What is your comparison? 18.5% of X's shots were 3 pointers and Jordan's percentage was 15.7. Not a great disparity. Is that what you were trying to prove?
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What is your comparison? 18.5% of X's shots were 3 pointers and Jordan's percentage was 15.7. Not a great disparity. Is that what you were trying to prove?
That's a lot of 3s in the few minutes he played
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Percentage wise not much different than the other person you were trying to compare him to, Jordan Davis.
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Davis is a guard. X thought he was a guard, but we needed inside play, defense, rebounding from him and he clearly was not interested. When he missed Jordan can't necessarily rebound but when Jordan missed X could, but wouldn't because he would be camped out waiting to shoot. And there is a big difference in shooting 429 vs 347. X can't leave soon enough. Let's get someone who want to be true team.
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Percentage wise not much different than the other person you were trying to compare him to, Jordan Davis.
In 500+ more minutes JD took a little more than double the number 3pt attempts than X
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If itís any consolation, I hear X is killing it on Fortnite.
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But how much better could he be doing if he had not wasted so much time on basketball?
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I know there has been talk of Svoboda and uncertainty with family ties back home, etc....I want him to stick around. All reports state he is doing well in practices and I like the effort he gives.

With a season of reported defectors and lack of mental toughness, he seems to have stuck with it during a not so easy season.
Svoboda does quite a few of the little things correctly. Coming over here there's nothing that could have prepared him for what was needed physically. Now that he's vested a year into the program and gone against elite athletes/players, he knows what he needs to do..He'll never ever become a great athlete out on the court or a blazer but he can definitely improve his footwork, knowledge of the system and hopefully become even close to the shooter we had heard he was...

I'll take that kind of kid on my team...
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
In 500+ more minutes JD took a little more than double the number 3pt attempts than X
The main difference of course is that JD is a much better 3 point shooter, at least in terms of percentage, this year. And add, at his height/position, he should be taking those 3's. XW at 6-9, is no Larry Bird, so therefore should have been posting down low or at least slashing to the hoop.

I didn't understand why early in the year his minutes began to diminish but i totally get it now.
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Jordan showed he has the stroke. It's been a long and trying season for everyone, but I think Jordan's willingness to work on his defense (as lauded by AG) plus the extended minutes, affected his legs and accordingly his shot. He is a shooter and a baller and we are going to be thrilled to have him for 3 more years.
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Your putting us on, right???

He needs to go. He can't help us win a championship ever. He's what, 36?? Anyway he's unbelievably inept defensively, he made 25 total baskets, several in garbage time, in 30 games (27 games played). He took 2, yes 2 foul shots. 25 turnovers, one per basket. 32.9 fg%, last by a lot. He shot 20% from 3. We can get a random guy out of the stands to do that. He gave us pretty much nothing. On a bad team, he might have been the worst. We made a mistake, he made a mistake. He should find a place where he could actually help. That's not here.
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Not to try to inject reasonableness into the discussion, but, what if Trey had played that many minutes last year? If you're a fish out of water and just not ready to play, it's probably safer on the bench. Svoboda had no such luxury. He had to go out there and embarrass himself because he was forced onto a stage he was not ready for.

In a normal year, he sits quietly on the bench and we talk about how he's getting used to the pace of the game and building his body for the physicality, and expect him to start contributing next year.

Now he's not Trey, who has a totally different body type and game. But the point is regardless of whether he's 21 or 18 he's got some adjustment to do, and some guys make it and some don't. We typically don't find out until year 2.
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When he missed Jordan can't necessarily rebound but when Jordan missed X could,
Technically, either could rebound for the other, but seemingly no one on this team does.

As I've said before, Chris Johnson was a classic "trust but verify" guy. His shooting improved greatly and he trusted his shot, but he still followed it to make sure it went in. Same with his teammates. He trusted them to make shots, but he still went to the offensive boards to make sure.

Nobody on this year's team follows their shot. The shot goes up. Four guys run the other way. If someone happened to be in the post at the time and the ball bounces in a fortunate way, we may get a rebound. Everything else becomes a rebound for our opponent.

Sorry for the tangent. Now back to XW.
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The main difference of course is that JD is a much better 3 point shooter, at least in terms of percentage, this year. And add, at his height/position, he should be taking those 3's. XW at 6-9, is no Larry Bird, so therefore should have been posting down low or at least slashing to the hoop.

I didn't understand why early in the year his minutes began to diminish but i totally get it now.
With these Jordan Davis comps - why is everyone ignoring the fact that X shot 41% from 3 last year - and he did it while shooting more 3's per game than JD did this year. Dude could flat out stroke it last year.

I'm not trying to say the other criticisms aren't legit. But everyone trying to figure out why X shoots so many 3's, it's because he's pretty darn good at it. Something held him back this year. Injuries, attitude, maybe both? But while we are all disappointed with his play and his attitude, at least give him credit for the things he did well.

Last year, when healthy on a stacked team, he outscored Kyle Davis, was the best 3 point shooter on the team (only Crosby had a better 3pt % and he shot less than 1 per game). He led the team in blocks per game and was 3rd in rebounds. I can't image all of that was a fluke.

Something happened this year and he will likely pay for it dearly. He was a significant part of what we did last year. Not sure we need to trash him on the way out.
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Technically, either could rebound for the other, but seemingly no one on this team does.

Nobody on this year's team follows their shot. The shot goes up. Four guys run the other way. If someone happened to be in the post at the time and the ball bounces in a fortunate way, we may get a rebound. Everything else becomes a rebound for our opponent.

That has stood out to me this year also. Are they being directed to head to the other side of the court as soon as a shot goes up? It also seems that when a loose ball happens, our guys just head that way to play D. Probably haven't lost out on as many 50-50 balls because our guys are never around to make it 50-50. Are our guys so slow to get back on defense that they need a head start? If so, then we have bigger problems in the near future than people are stating. I mean, of our starting lineup, who needs to be removed to make our defense good enough to fight for loose balls and rebounds? Or is it all on Darrell Davis who's leaving anyway? The Flyers cannot continue to rely on getting one shot per possession next season and beyond.
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For me the most surprising line for X this year was the eight (!) free-throw attempts.
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That has stood out to me this year also. Are they being directed to head to the other side of the court as soon as a shot goes up? It also seems that when a loose ball happens, our guys just head that way to play D. Probably haven't lost out on as many 50-50 balls because our guys are never around to make it 50-50. Are our guys so slow to get back on defense that they need a head start? If so, then we have bigger problems in the near future than people are stating. I mean, of our starting lineup, who needs to be removed to make our defense good enough to fight for loose balls and rebounds? Or is it all on Darrell Davis who's leaving anyway? The Flyers cannot continue to rely on getting one shot per possession next season and beyond.
It is perplexing if it is by design but Richmond often takes this approach in their games where guys run back as soon as a shot goes up. I don't understand it but obviously its something Chris Mooney thinks is appropriate so perhaps AG does too.
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For me the most surprising line for X this year was the eight (!) free-throw attempts.
As a team, we're averaging 6.83 less FT attempts per game compared to last season. That's over a 28 percent drop. Our opponents are averaging almost 3 less FTAs this season compared to last. There's 15.1 percent drop. Not sure if the officiating this season accounts for the drop or if it's all on the Flyers not playing aggressive enough on both sides of the court. I'm not positive the former comes into play but am a 100 percent certain the latter does.
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That has stood out to me this year also. Are they being directed to head to the other side of the court as soon as a shot goes up? It also seems that when a loose ball happens, our guys just head that way to play D. Probably haven't lost out on as many 50-50 balls because our guys are never around to make it 50-50. I mean, of our starting lineup, who needs to be removed to make our defense good enough to fight for loose balls and rebounds? The Flyers cannot continue to rely on getting one shot per possession next season and beyond.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!! While there was plenty of things to wonder about, complain about, point at, this season. The lack of following your shot, positioning for offensive rebound was 99% of the time missing. Trey would hit the offensive glass once or twice a game and we hold him up as Mr Hustle.
The one thing I could not understand was absolute disinterest to go for rebounds, or challenge for 50/50 balls. It is inexcusable. Imagine if 2 or 3 guys hit the glass every time?
I specifically started watching Cunningham on offense watch rebounds and make no movement. On defense, yes, him and others would make attempt. However, on offense, once a shot went in the air, 5 guys released back on D. Save a few Trey follows or a Kostas who was already down in the paint. Early in the season with the game on the line, DD drove the lane and missed a layup, Cunningham stood 4 feet away and made no movement to follow behind for a potential put back. We lost the game. It continued all season long.
The last game XW played in against G Mason, he launched a 3 and stood and watched his shot bounce back towards him along the baseline. He could have challenged for rebound, but he stood there while the Mason player ran it down. I know the game was out reach, but that is no excuse to stand and watch the other team out hustle you after you clank a shot.
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This year we are averaging 7.1 offensive player rebounds a game. Since the 2000-01 season, this is 3rd lowest. Behind the "7 players under 6'6"" team of 2014-15 who had 5.6 offensive rebounds a game, and behind last year's team with 7.0625 offensive rebounds per game.
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Anyone else notice Kostas' effort increase once XW went totally MIA? They would always be two peas in a pod sitting on the bench, walking through warmups, etc.
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Anyone else notice Kostas' effort increase once XW went totally MIA? They would always be two peas in a pod sitting on the bench, walking through warmups, etc.
What I have noticed is Kostas responding to coaching, moving his feet, less stupid fouls, and loosing the attitude towards the referees. As far as two peas in a pod (really showing your age) all the guys talk. So what, is some guilt by association?
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This year we are averaging 7.1 offensive player rebounds a game. Since the 2000-01 season, this is 3rd lowest. Behind the "7 players under 6'6"" team of 2014-15 who had 5.6 offensive rebounds a game, and behind last year's team with 7.0625 offensive rebounds per game.
Kostas with as few minutes as he played is 3rd on the team in number of offensive rebounds
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Rebounding next year scares me to death. DD was our third best rebounder. With no big guy coming in, and the use of a smaller guard to replace DD, it appears to be a problem. Kostas is the big unknown. He is a mediocre rebounder this year. If Kostas could put on some muscle and improve his techniques, it would fill a great need. Also hopefully with Obi and Mikesell, we will get some rebounds off the bench. This year we get almost zero.
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Rebounding next year scares me to death. DD was our third best rebounder. With no big guy coming in, and the use of a smaller guard to replace DD, it appears to be a problem. Kostas is the big unknown. He is a mediocre rebounder this year. If Kostas could put on some muscle and improve his techniques, it would fill a great need. Also hopefully with Obi and Mikesell, we will get some rebounds off the bench. This year we get almost zero.
While I'd love some all conference guy out of the transfer/juco ranks, someone who can rebound and play defense even if they're limited offensively would have real value next year
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Rebounding next year scares me to death. DD was our third best rebounder. With no big guy coming in, and the use of a smaller guard to replace DD, it appears to be a problem. Kostas is the big unknown. He is a mediocre rebounder this year. If Kostas could put on some muscle and improve his techniques, it would fill a great need. Also hopefully with Obi and Mikesell, we will get some rebounds off the bench. This year we get almost zero.
Several things DD did very well is make free throws and gobble up defensive rebounds. He really had a rebounder's intuition. Not only was his timing awesome to get the ball at the apex, but he was quick off his feet. That said, in Anthony's system the guards rebound and the void that is left won't be impossible to fill. Jaylen, Jordan, Cohill, et al, can get off the floor pretty good.

Case in point little Kyle Davis pulled down 4 a game with pretty much the same rebounding instincts as DD.

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What I have noticed is Kostas responding to coaching, moving his feet, less stupid fouls, and loosing the attitude towards the referees. As far as two peas in a pod (really showing your age) all the guys talk. So what, is some guilt by association?
Not sure if itís ďaddition by subtractionĒ in regard to XWís absence, the positive impact TL is having on Kostas (which can be seen regularly when theyíre on the court together), coaching finally sinking-in, positive family influences from afar, some soul-searching by Kostas, or all of the above in varying degrees. But his play has taken a quantum leap forward over the past 3 weeks or so, and thatís a welcome addition. Perhaps next year, with more maturity, muscle, and work on his technique, he can be the A10 CD MIP.
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Here's a crazy idea. Maybe Kostas stays local this summer and works hard on improving his game?
As opposed to traveling to Europe to play pick up games and getting injured in the process.
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Here's a crazy idea. Maybe Kostas stays local this summer and works hard on improving his game?
As opposed to traveling to Europe to play pick up games and getting injured in the process.
Looks like there is no big European tournaments his summer so we should be good lol
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Here's a crazy idea. Maybe Kostas stays local this summer and works hard on improving his game?
As opposed to traveling to Europe to play pick up games and getting injured in the process.
I donít see him going to Europe at all but I do see him going home for the first summer session. His father passed and I believe that it is very important to he and his family that he come home. Iím sure he will have use of the Bucks training facilities and a gym to play in.
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Here's a crazy idea. Maybe Kostas stays local this summer and works hard on improving his game?
As opposed to traveling to Europe to play pick up games and getting injured in the process.
Both his older brothers did not go to college and therefore never experienced what college players do in the summer. Maybe AGs NBA cred will be able to sway Kostas to hang around Dayton.
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Archdeacon summed up the situation very well.

"On the flip side of all this was the meltdown of 6-foot-8 junior Xeyrius Williams, who had showed promise last season, then hurt his back, seemed to lose interest or focus and has been shut down for the season.

The official reason is back issues, though the ailment may be elsewhere."

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Archdeacon summed up the situation very well.

"On the flip side of all this was the meltdown of 6-foot-8 junior Xeyrius Williams, who had showed promise last season, then hurt his back, seemed to lose interest or focus and has been shut down for the season.

The official reason is back issues, though the ailment may be elsewhere."

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The lack of offensive rebounding my have been by design but not just for getting good defense on the other side of the court.

One of the changes this year was that Cunningham who was extremely foul prone was much less so this year and there was no one who could even come close to replacing him if he was out of the line up. AG as a way to minimize Cunningham's fouls might have told him to avoid crashing the offensive glass. Since on offense the defender is usually between you and the basket the chance of going over or through the defender to get the ball is more likely to result in a foul on the offensive player than on the defensive side of the court.

Given the size of the other two forward position AG might have figured their chances of getting an offensive rebound were slim given again that they would usually need to go over much taller players or through in the case of DD much stronger players. Better they get set and play good half court defense than to chase the unlikely offensive rebound.

Of course the bigger problem was that the team never really got the knack of playing good half court defense. But that is a different issue.
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Is he gone yet?
Pretty sure I'm the only one (I haven't read all the comments), but I would not be upset to see X back next year. He proved last year that he can play. Something happened this year - and I don't think any of us know the extent of it.

Obviously if he came back it would be because AG gave him some very specific boxes to check and X checked them. If AG can get X engaged in what we are doing and gets him bought in for next year - he is more valuable to this team than a freshman.

Odds of that happening? I'm not betting on it. But if he can get right with AG then I'd welcome him back.
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Pretty sure I'm the only one (I haven't read all the comments), but I would not be upset to see X back next year. He proved last year that he can play. Something happened this year - and I don't think any of us know the extent of it.

Obviously if he came back it would be because AG gave him some very specific boxes to check and X checked them. If AG can get X engaged in what we are doing and gets him bought in for next year - he is more valuable to this team than a freshman.

Odds of that happening? I'm not betting on it. But if he can get right with AG then I'd welcome him back.
I could agree and get on board with this. I am not at all familiar with the situation or have any direct knowledge. Based on what I've read on these threads, it would appear that ship and attitude have sailed and those "check boxes" had been presented to XW already.
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Pretty sure I'm the only one (I haven't read all the comments), but I would not be upset to see X back next year. He proved last year that he can play. Something happened this year - and I don't think any of us know the extent of it.

Obviously if he came back it would be because AG gave him some very specific boxes to check and X checked them. If AG can get X engaged in what we are doing and gets him bought in for next year - he is more valuable to this team than a freshman.

Odds of that happening? I'm not betting on it. But if he can get right with AG then I'd welcome him back.
I disagree...I would not welcome him back. He is unworthy to wear the Flyer uniform. X can take his crappy attitude somewhere else. If you don't show up for Senior Day, you aren't worthy. Stay away.
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The lack of offensive rebounding my have been by design but not just for getting good defense on the other side of the court.

One of the changes this year was that Cunningham who was extremely foul prone was much less so this year and there was no one who could even come close to replacing him if he was out of the line up. AG as a way to minimize Cunningham's fouls might have told him to avoid crashing the offensive glass. Since on offense the defender is usually between you and the basket the chance of going over or through the defender to get the ball is more likely to result in a foul on the offensive player than on the defensive side of the court.

Given the size of the other two forward position AG might have figured their chances of getting an offensive rebound were slim given again that they would usually need to go over much taller players or through in the case of DD much stronger players. Better they get set and play good half court defense than to chase the unlikely offensive rebound.

Of course the bigger problem was that the team never really got the knack of playing good half court defense. But that is a different issue.

Maybe on Cunningham, but for everyone else, rebounding is grit and desire even at the offensive end. I think you're got to accept a foul or 2 throughout the course of a game as the cost of 5-7 extra possessions, plus the pressure it puts on the other team. Most teams lollygagged after rebounds when we shot instead of having to exert energy.
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Per verbal commits, X leaving the program.
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These are college students and I believe college is all about figuring out what kind of man/woman you are going to be. In that process, as a student, I believe you have a right to make mistakes. XW quit on his teammates before the season was over. That was a mistake. I hope when he is older he realizes that, learns from the experience, reaches out to members of this team and apologizes. UD is a very special place and he will realize that later in life.
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These are college students and I believe college is all about figuring out what kind of man/woman you are going to be. In that process, as a student, I believe you have a right to make mistakes. XW quit on his teammates before the season was over. That was a mistake. I hope when he is older he realizes that, learns from the experience, reaches out to members of this team and apologizes. UD is a very special place and he will realize that later in life.
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Let him walk! After all he walked out on his teammates.

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What I don't get is once thing looked bad, why didn't he leave mid year and have a a year and a half of eligibility?
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What I don't get is once thing looked bad, why didn't he leave mid year and have a a year and a half of eligibility?
Bad back. He could not open the door knob until now.

I could have accepted X, just not liking the coach, playing hard and leaving at mid-year or at year end. But dude, you are given a scholarship to play, so suck it up and give some effort and then leave. Not giving effort for your teammates is not right.
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I usually don't mention player names as I know how it feels to be singled out when things don't go well .... and I reserved commenting directly to this since I wasn't sure what to believe.

Yet now it appears the guy is leaving .... what ever the issues I'm glad he's going, may take the bad attitudes out of the locker room .... he's probably glad he's going. The fit between him and AG obviously didn't fit ... choice is to stay or to move on .. I think XW did the right thing on moving on ...

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PS this must have been in discussion some time back. This decision was in the making before the end of the season ... for it to be announced so soon after the season ended.
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What I don't get is once thing looked bad, why didn't he leave mid year and have a a year and a half of eligibility?
No half years when it comes to eligibility. You play one game it counts as a full year. Now, you can transfer after the fall semester and then sit out a year and play after the following fall semester, but you do not get the half year back.
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...this must have been in discussion some time back. This decision was in the making before the end of the season ... for it to be announced so soon after the season ended.
Just a hunch, but Iím guessing that this conclusion had been reached at about the time he last set foot on the court in a Flyer uniform. That could partially explain why he hadnít seen the court for as long as he did. I mean, if youíre Coach Grant, and you know that a non-senior isnít coming back next year, and you have other non-seniors who probably are coming back next year, and your likelihood of getting invited to a postseason tournament is nil-to-none...would you play the guy whoís quitting before his senior year arrives?
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What I don't get is once thing looked bad, why didn't he leave mid year and have a a year and a half of eligibility?
According to insiders, XW's dad wanted him to transfer at Christmas, but he chose to stay.
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Think about the major decisions you've made in your life. XW didn't wake up on a Monday thinking he was a Flyer for life, and then wake up on a Tuesday thinking he's gone. I'm sure there were good days and bad days, and I'm sure he agonized over the decision. I'm sure he even told AG on numerous occasions he was all-in (and actually did have a bad back) and meant it, and then there were a few times he said it but didn't believe it himself.

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Not the first time a new coach and young player did not see eye to eye.


We can speculate about a number of things. Really does not matter to me. I wish X well in the future, but was very disappointed that he was unable (for whatever reason) contribute this year.

Time to look ahead and see significant program imprivement next year
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Not sure I agree with this. There has to be other negative factors(which I'm sure there was here). There was speculation for a long time here that Josh would do a graduate transfer. If that were true and he informed AG of that, with motive being that he wants to test himself in the ACC or something, would you expect AG to glue him to the bench?
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Not sure I agree with this. There has to be other negative factors(which I'm sure there was here). There was speculation for a long time here that Josh would do a graduate transfer. If that were true and he informed AG of that, with motive being that he wants to test himself in the ACC or something, would you expect AG to glue him to the bench?
Speculation by those of us (me included) who had no idea that Josh isn't going to graduate until next year and you can't be a grad transfer without the grad part. AG and Josh have known that for a long time so the only speculation was by those of us who didn't know what we didn't know.
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Speculation by those of us (me included) who had no idea that Josh isn't going to graduate until next year and you can't be a grad transfer without the grad part. AG and Josh have known that for a long time so the only speculation was by those of us who didn't know what we didn't know.
Not the point.
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Agreed, I wish him well and hope the young man finds what he is looking for on another team.

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Not the first time a new coach and young player did not see eye to eye.


We can speculate about a number of things. Really does not matter to me. I wish X well in the future, but was very disappointed that he was unable (for whatever reason) contribute this year.

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Not sure I agree with this. There has to be other negative factors(which I'm sure there was here). There was speculation for a long time here that Josh would do a graduate transfer. If that were true and he informed AG of that, with motive being that he wants to test himself in the ACC or something, would you expect AG to glue him to the bench?
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Speculation by those of us (me included) who had no idea that Josh isn't going to graduate until next year and you can't be a grad transfer without the grad part. AG and Josh have known that for a long time so the only speculation was by those of us who didn't know what we didn't know.
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Not the point.

You're going to compare a student in good standing who fulfilled all of his responsibilities to a headcase jag-off who quit on the team?

Okey-dokey, here's the answer: you play Cunningham. A lot. Maybe at the margin give another guy a few extra minutes, but basically, no change.
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Jabs just tweeted that X confirmed to him that he is leaving.
He's going to school with a better Video Game major!
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You're going to compare a student in good standing who fulfilled all of his responsibilities to a headcase jag-off who quit on the team?

Okey-dokey, here's the answer: you play Cunningham. A lot. Maybe at the margin give another guy a few extra minutes, but basically, no change.
No, I wasn't comparing the two. I was countering the point that a coach would sit a player who he knows is leaving prior to his senior season. That's all I was doing. Seems you agree with that. It has nothing to do with a player leaving and all to do with current issues, that might or might not have to do with player leaving.
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He's going to school with a better Video Game major!
I believe this is where "X" marks his spot. Sweet uni's! Not sure if he has to sit out a year?

http://www.uakron.edu/esports/

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Originally Posted by N2663R View Post
I believe this is where "X" marks his spot. Sweet uni's! Not sure if he has to sit out a year?

http://www.uakron.edu/esports/
He has to sit a year at any D1 school, unless he graduates by the end of the summer.
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The Zips have a solid history of sending players to the NBA.
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https://twitter.com/20Rated_X/status/988515846032183296

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Check out the last line of his message "PaybackSZN". SMH
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What does that mean?
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Payback season...
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The Zips have a solid history of sending players to the NBA.
If Akron was looking for a solid post defender and rim protector. A big guy with a good handle who can both play with his back to the basket and step out and drain the 3. And a solid teammate when the going gets tough....they better still be looking!
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I see that the past season awards were given out. There was no mention of the X award. Perhaps because this is the first year for the award.
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Apparently Indiana didnít come calling. Hmmmm.
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May (or may not) have had ud list Indiana as one of the exceptions in his release. I’m sure John groce spoke to Archie prior to making contact to get his take on x.

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