RJ's technical

[bryan]

I saw RJ on the deck but didn' see what caused it. After he got up he must have said something to the ref and got T'd up. He never came back in the game.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by bryan I saw RJ on the deck but didn' see what caused it. After he got up he must have said something to the ref and got T'd up. He never came back in the game.

RJ caught an elbow to the temple on a Flyers possession. He got dropped but there were a lot of elbows flying in the game. Many thought play should have been stopped, probably including RJ. At the next dead ball RJ picked the wrong ref (TV Ted) to bark at. To his credit TV Ted gave RJ a "that's it, no more" warning but RJ said something else and got the T.

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[ud2]

Originally Posted by Radar RJ caught an elbow to the temple on a Flyers possession. He got dropped but there were a lot of elbows flying in the game.

I never understand that, there are always elbows flying IMO. If you are out there playing hard, elbows happen, not sure how that is preventable. You give some, you take some.

[Medford]

Why was it never reviewed? It was pretty obvious on TV that RJ got hit pretty hard, and it had to be pretty obvious to the Refs. Seems like they should have gone to the monitor and reviewed it to see if it was worthy of a technical foul or not.


It was never reviewed on TV either. Seems like an obvious this to look at.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Medford Why was it never reviewed? It was pretty obvious on TV that RJ got hit pretty hard, and it had to be pretty obvious to the Refs. Seems like they should have gone to the monitor and reviewed it to see if it was worthy of a technical foul or not. It was never reviewed on TV either. Seems like an obvious this to look at.

Agree 100%, and from my vantage point it appeared to happen 10' from TV Teddy, who was looking right at the play, with his eyes shut!

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by Medford Why was it never reviewed? It was pretty obvious on TV that RJ got hit pretty hard, and it had to be pretty obvious to the Refs. Seems like they should have gone to the monitor and reviewed it to see if it was worthy of a technical foul or not. It was never reviewed on TV either. Seems like an obvious this to look at.

My understanding is since a foul was not called the play cannot be reviewed. If a foul was called a review could have and should have occurred.

[rollo]

Remember the Loyola 'traveling' call after being knocked upside the head by Amzil (???)...it was reviewed and there was no foul called.

I'm not picking on Bill...I'm only bringing this up because it seems like so many UDPride posters speculate about rules, violations, fouls, conspiracies, make-up calls, etc... and have no idea what they're talking about (ud2...are you ears burning?). Instead of asking me every question, look it up. Become your own expert! You'd be amazed how much you can learn watching YouTube instructional videos. Put the crayons down...edumacate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYlvE_kKUc

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by rollo Remember the Loyola 'traveling' call after being knocked upside the head by Amzil (???)...it was reviewed and there was no foul called. I'm not picking on Bill...I'm only bringing this up because it seems like so many UDPride posters speculate about rules, violations, fouls, conspiracies, make-up calls, etc... and have no idea what they're talking about (ud2...are you ears burning?). Instead of asking me every question, look it up. Become your own expert! You'd be amazed how much you can learn watching YouTube instructional videos. Put the crayons down...edumacate yourself.

Trying to look up specific, rare situation, NCAA basketball rules is like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle. Asking an expert who's already created the wheel due to his profession is the intelligent and efficient way to get answers. If you can't serve us in this capacity, you are useless here and my crusade to summon you back to this zoo, was done in vain and makes you a false king. A royal hind-ass so to speak.

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by rollo Remember the Loyola 'traveling' call after being knocked upside the head by Amzil (???)...it was reviewed and there was no foul called. I'm not picking on Bill...I'm only bringing this up because it seems like so many UDPride posters speculate about rules, violations, fouls, conspiracies, make-up calls, etc... and have no idea what they're talking about (ud2...are you ears burning?). Instead of asking me every question, look it up. Become your own expert! You'd be amazed how much you can learn watching YouTube instructional videos. Put the crayons down...edumacate yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYlvE_kKUc

Thanks for the clarification. Mea Culpa!

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan Agree 100%, and from my vantage point it appeared to happen 10' from TV Teddy, who was looking right at the play, with his eyes shut!

Ted Valentine is in my opinion awful.

[dirty deli]

After RJ took the hit under Loyola's basket he was coming up the court and the ref approached him and appeared to ask if he was ok,,,RJ shook his head he was ok said something and the ref backed up and teed him up...RJ never approached or barked at ref

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Did he stay out because of concussion protocol or was AG disciplining him?
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by dirty deli After RJ took the hit under Loyola's basket he was coming up the court and the ref approached him and appeared to ask if he was ok,,,RJ shook his head he was ok said something and the ref backed up and teed him up...RJ never approached or barked at ref

No, there was some discussion between RJ and Ted Valentine after that, I will post the video. He must have said something that Ted Valentine found to be objectionable.

[ud2]

On the next Dayton offensive possession after RJ got popped playing defense at the 35 second mark of the video, he very briefly turned to Valentine and said something, and Valentine t'd him up immediately.

+ YouTube Video

[Alberto Strasse]

watches the game but does not behave as though he understands what he sees. Blakeny took a shot to the head right in front of the idiot referee Ted Valentine. He did not call a foul.
Blakney got to his feet and made a comment to Valentine and he t'd him up. Grant sided with the ref rather than his player and did not let Blakeny play in the second half. Stupid decision by CAG on a night when UD's defense sucked. CAG coached another incompetent effort and
nearly lost a game when Dayton had a 6 point lead with 47 seconds to play in the game.
Following the game CAG makes an admission against his own interests by stating that he has not prepared his team on how to handle game ending situations. Go figure...

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse watches the game but does not behave as though he understands what he sees. Blakeny took a shot to the head right in front of the idiot referee Ted Valentine. He did not call a foul. Blakney got to his feet and made a comment to Valentine and he t'd him up. Grant sided with the ref rather than his player and did not let Blakeny play in the second half. Stupid decision by CAG on a night when UD's defense sucked. CAG coached another incompetent effort and nearly lost a game when Dayton had a 6 point lead with 47 seconds to play in the game. Following the game CAG makes an admission against his own interests by stating that he has not prepared his team on how to handle game ending situations. Go figure...

Okay, I'm going to give Grant the benefit of the doubt here. As Hyde Park brought up, could RJ have been benched due to precaution of getting nailed in the temple rather than for punishment?

Now as far as not being prepared for handling game ending situations, yeah, inexcusable.

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[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse watches the game but does not behave as though he understands what he sees. Blakeny took a shot to the head right in front of the idiot referee Ted Valentine. He did not call a foul. Blakney got to his feet and made a comment to Valentine and he t'd him up. Grant sided with the ref rather than his player and did not let Blakeny play in the second half. Stupid decision by CAG on a night when UD's defense sucked. CAG coached another incompetent effort and nearly lost a game when Dayton had a 6 point lead with 47 seconds to play in the game. Following the game CAG makes an admission against his own interests by stating that he has not prepared his team on how to handle game ending situations. Go figure...

I have plenty of criticism for Grant on the season and this game specifically, but what are you talking about? We don't know the details around any of what happened, there's a lot of assumption happening here. I don't know how you can get mad at Grant for benching him when:

1) you don't know why he was benched (was it injury related? Discipline? Something he saw with matchups?)

2) You don't know what RJ said. Grant may have been very justified in disciplining him, if that was the case. We just don't know exactly what happened.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by rollo R Instead of asking me every question, look it up. Become your own expert! You'd be amazed how much you can learn watching YouTube instructional videos. Put the crayons down...edumacate yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYlvE_kKUc

Why look it up when we have an expert right here to consult with?

Did you watch YouTube instructional videos when you decided to transition from a king to a queen, or did you consult a medical expert?

[jack72]

If RJ was held out because of the hit to the head, Grant certainly would have said so.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Since my Hulu only recorded to the point where the score was 29-28, I went to WHIO radio for the replay. Brooks said that RJ was hurt, but it was a legal screen. Basically said he thought RJ should have let it go.
The double technical starts between 99:00 and 1:00:00, if you want to listen.
https://www.whio.com/whio-radio/dayt...0season%20long.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 If RJ was held out because of the hit to the head, Grant certainly would have said so.

I’m not so sure that he would. He’s reluctant to provide much information about players. If no one asked about it, I don’t know that he would volunteer whether RJ was in the concussion protocol. I was hoping that someone asked about it directly since he didn’t re-enter the game. It seems like a no brainer question.
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[rollo]

Sitting Blakney on the bench is not part of 'concussion protocol' unless he was evaluated in the locker room first. I don't recall him being walked into the locker room for an exam, so unless I missed something, he was benched for bad behavior.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Sitting Blakney on the bench is not part of 'concussion protocol' unless he was evaluated in the locker room first. I don't recall him being walked into the locker room for an exam, so unless I missed something, he was benched for bad behavior.

That could be the case. I’m asking because I’m not sure. Again, the question should have been asked. I don’t know what triggers the protocol in basketball, and I don’t know how it plays out in basketball. I definitely agree that UD would have a duty to examine him for concussion symptoms if he were removed as part of the protocol. They likely can’t remove a guy because of a blow to the head and simply say he’s fine. I was watching the game on tv, so I have no idea if anyone from the medical staff talked to him. It’s possible that UD screwed up the protocol, which would be worse. I can see a coach pulling a player because he saw a blow to the head followed by the player not getting up right away then holding him out because he subjectively thinks his bell was rung. I can see a coach doing this and NOT putting the player into the protocol. Shouldn’t be the case. Surely violates the NCAA rules. But…

Regardless, I don’t know. It doesn’t seem that anyone really knows. Would have been nice if AG would have been asked.
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[rollo]

Unless a player shows sign/symptoms of a concussion, the coach/trainers are under no obligation to start Protocol.

[Furio]

Or after 17 unproductive minutes he has benched for find better
play from a teammate:
https://barttorvik.com/box.php?muid=...1-31&year=2023

note offensive rating of zero that game ouch

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Do you have a link? I ask because in football it may be different. I seem to recall that the protocol was different for contact sports. In hockey, if a player is hit in the head with a stick or the player’s head goes into the boards, I believe it triggers the duty to evaluate the player. It could be symptoms for basketball. Again, Injust don’t know.
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Do you have a link? I ask because in football it may be different. I seem to recall that the protocol was different for contact sports. In hockey, if a player is hit in the head with a stick or the player’s head goes into the boards, I believe it triggers the duty to evaluate the player. It could be symptoms for basketball. Again, Injust don’t know. Posted via Mobile Device

I think the point is, protocol or not, if he was sat for concern of injury to the head, then why wouldn't you want him checked out immediately.

There would be no justification for a coach to say "I sat him because he took a shot to the head and we were being overly cautious as to his health." And then the follow up question of "Why didn't you send him back to be checked out then?" and the coach to reply "Because it's not required to do so.".

I am now convinced that he was benched for one of two reasons. He was being punished or it was felt that in this game, against this opponent and their coach's strategy, that the skills that RJ possesses would do nothing to help the team win in the final 15 minutes.

Pretty much the same thing that happened to Mike against Rhode Island. If it's punishment, I'd rather have a coach that admonishes a player for everyone to see during the game and then sends him back out after a few minutes on the bench than one that is so low key(toward his players) he feels he'd rather bench them for the rest of the game as punishment than display any public anger.

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[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by ud2 No, there was some discussion between RJ and Ted Valentine after that, I will post the video. He must have said something that Ted Valentine found to be objectionable.

Perhaps TV Teddy should have taken his "high road" and stood with his back to the player while the player attempted to talk to him.

I haven't viewed enough of Teddy's work, at least not technically, to render an opinion on the quality of his work. But have seen enough of his refereeing to make an evaluation on his behavior. He's a show boat and an arrogant a$$.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Smitty: I’m only asking if anyone knew anything about a possible injury. You probably gathered that it concerns me if AG kept him on the bench because he was hit in the head for any amount of time without having him examined. You can’t wait for half time. Has to be immediate.

It bothers me a great deal that no one seems to have asked AG about RJ not returning to play. Let him answer that it was a coaching decision. Whatever. Just ask the question!!
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[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Smitty: I’m only asking if anyone knew anything about a possible injury. You probably gathered that it concerns me if AG kept him on the bench because he was hit in the head for any amount of time without having him examined. You can’t wait for half time. Has to be immediate. It bothers me a great deal that no one seems to have asked AG about RJ not returning to play. Let him answer that it was a coaching decision. Whatever. Just ask the question!! Posted via Mobile Device

Oh, I agree with you. I just wanted to make it clear that protocol the isn't end all be all and that common sense dictates that if you are sitting someone due to caution over a head shot, that you also send him in for a check up ASAP.

And this leads me to believe it was punishment and not any head injury that got him benched. Although a 3rd possibility exists that he injured himself somewhere else on his body that's not long term concerning but he was sat as a precaution. And the 4th possibility that I mentioned earlier is that it wasn't injury nor punishment but an adjustment with in game by Grant who might have felt that RJ's skills weren't what was required in this game to win and gave him the Kaleb Washington treatment for the final 15 minutes.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER He's a show boat and an arrogant a$$.

I don't disagree with this, but TV clearly gave RJ the opportunity to zip it...and RJ didn't.

[Canonball]

Just don't jaw at refs, nothing good comes from it. Ever.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Furio Or after 17 unproductive minutes he has benched for find better play from a teammate: https://barttorvik.com/box.php?muid=...1-31&year=2023 note offensive rating of zero that game ouch

IIRC, it was the 9/12 shooting from 3 in the second half (?) that kept Loyola in the game, and RJ is one of our best defenders.



Maybe there's a correlation.

[T-Bone 84]

Just IMHO, but I think AG kept RJ on the bench for up to 3 reasons. In no particular order:

1) He didn’t think RJ would be able to “check himself” with TV Teddy after getting his first T, and AG didn’t want to risk a 2nd one against RJ in a close game (with all the downside that comes from a 2nd T on a player).

2) RJ definitely needed to get the license plate number of the bus after running into that pick, and AG may not have wanted to risk injury to arguably his best and healthiest perimeter defender.

3) RJ was not doing much offensively or defensively for us at that point in the game, so why play him (given the downside risks mentioned in 1 and 2 above)?

Just a few thoughts.

T-Bone - OUT!
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[shocka43]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Ted Valentine is in my opinion awful.

He thinks people paid to watch him. There's a reason he's not permitted in some of the P5 conferences.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Although a 3rd possibility exists that he injured himself somewhere else on his body that's not long term concerning but he was sat as a precaution.

Remember, he did sit against URI with a knee injury he got at the GW game. So this is certainly a possibility.

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[TXFlyerFan]

When Valentine went to the UD huddle to explain what all they were calling, he was literally dancing. WTH

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan When Valentine went to the UD huddle to explain what all they were calling, he was literally dancing. WTH

He had to pee.

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[Furio]

Originally Posted by Gazoo IIRC, it was the 9/12 shooting from 3 in the second half (?) that kept Loyola in the game, and RJ is one of our best defenders. Maybe there's a correlation.

they were 7 of 12 in the second half

they were 5 of 10 in the first half
they were 3 of 4 in the second half before the technical foul

8 of 14 before the technical

5 of 11 after the technical.

[Runnin' Rebel]

I'm pretty sure I heard the announcers say that 2 of the Loyola players made only their second 3 of the year, and another Loyola player only his third 3 of the year.

The 3pt shot must really be the great equalizer.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan When Valentine went to the UD huddle to explain what all they were calling, he was literally dancing. WTH

Auditioning for the remake of “Grease”?
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Furio they were 7 of 12 in the second half they were 5 of 10 in the first half they were 3 of 4 in the second half before the technical foul 8 of 14 before the technical 5 of 11 after the technical.

Sorry, but your stats don’t add up. If they were 7 of 12 in the 2nd Half (including OT), then they couldn’t possibly have hit 5 of 11 after the technical, because that means they made 2 shots on 1 attempt to get to 7 of 12. Am I missing an interpretation here?
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[Furio]

8 of 15 including the ot

2nd half 7 of 12
OT s 1 of 3

[Smitty10]

So RJ is out tonight due to knee injury. I'm going to guess that injury was there in 2nd half against Loyola. Was probably not punishment.