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Old 02-01-2024, 09:25 PM
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Jim Crews = Jim OíBrien. Seems like the same kind of damage
Travis Ford = Oliver Purnell. Seems like the same kind of floor/ceiling

Itís obvious something needs to get done. Is there a former SLU player who has a coaching record (ala CAG)? It will be interesting to see if they go the hot assistant (Gregory/Archie) path or the successful coach from a lower league. If they were smart, they would try to steal Mark Schmidt from Bona
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Talking Meanwhile, back to Games of Note

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Youngstown State 88 @ Wright State 77
Robert Morris 72 @ Oakland 87
Troy 84 @ Georgia Southern 63
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Old 02-02-2024, 09:53 AM
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Nebraska was down 18 in the 2nd half and won in overtime over Wisky. Wisky's coach must suck.
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Nebraska was down 18 in the 2nd half and won in overtime over Wisky. Wisky's coach must suck.
I don't think he sucks, but watching some of that comeback, he definitely was not at his best. Coaches do make mistakes, even good ones.
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I don't think he sucks, but watching some of that comeback, he definitely was not at his best. Coaches do make mistakes, even good ones.

Some posters on our post-game threads seem to struggle with this concept.
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I guess I need to put <sarcasm> at the end of some of my posts for all the literalists out there.
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I guess I need to put <sarcasm> at the end of some of my posts for all the literalists out there.
Yea, your post looked like some posted here after a loss, and anymore even after some wins.
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I guess I need to put <sarcasm> at the end of some of my posts for all the literalists out there.

I think most people understood you were being sarcastic and knew who your post was directed at.
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I don't know what his buyout or contract status is. I have sense, just reading and listening to what's been tossed around. But if it's anything close to what's being floated, Travis's agent is a genius. I can't imagine what SLU was so afraid of with his potential departure that they felt compelled to mortgage their future to lock up Travis for a long-term and expensive contract. I feel like SLU blinked in that regard and are paying for that now. I'm imaging the donor dollars that are being gathered to administer a buyout, and what those dollars could do for their NIL. It's painful to think about.

I get all that but what's done is done and how does it make sense to keep paying him $2.3M+ for the last several seasons rather than biting the bullet on a $10M buyout? You are absolutely right that the money could be better used but if the coach becomes an impediment to bettering the program, who cares how much NIL money you have stashed away.

I didn't mean any insult, I realize you are a dual fan. It just shocked me to read that Ford is the winningest coach at SLU in the last 60 years.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
SLU is a GREAT program, floating somewhere between mid-major and the P6.

This program has never made the 2nd weekend of the NCAAT. That would be game changing for this program.
I don't understand how both of those statements could be true.
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I don't know what his buyout or contract status is. I have sense, just reading and listening to what's been tossed around. But if it's anything close to what's being floated, Travis's agent is a genius. I can't imagine what SLU was so afraid of with his potential departure that they felt compelled to mortgage their future to lock up Travis for a long-term and expensive contract. I feel like SLU blinked in that regard and are paying for that now. I'm imaging the donor dollars that are being gathered to administer a buyout, and what those dollars could do for their NIL. It's painful to think about.

I get all that but what's done is done and how does it make sense to keep paying him $2.3M+ for the last several seasons rather than biting the bullet on a $10M buyout? You are absolutely right that the money could be better used but if the coach becomes an impediment to bettering the program, who cares how much NIL money you have stashed away.

I didn't mean any insult, I realize you are a dual fan. It just shocked me to read that Ford is the winningest coach at SLU in the last 60 years.
I didn't perceive it as an insult, so don't sweat it. I'm "dual" fan in that I want the local program, and our biggest rival (presently), to have success. I've got a Billiken daughter that's a student athlete there and my wife is an alum. Plus we've had season tix for 15 years. But please don't ever wonder where my heart and passion is during the Arch Baron Cup.

There are so many other financial implications beyond TF's contract/buyout. Season ticket renewals for next year might be catastrophic if Ford were retained. It's the most apathetic I've seen the fanbase in my 20 years. Ford coming back and the needle moves to an angry revolt. I'd think the season ticket renewals might drop 20% or more. I'll always renew, but that's just me. Add in a half-full arena every night and the loss of single game tickets, parking, concessions, etc. and it's affecting the entire SLU athletic ecosystem.
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Old 02-02-2024, 03:42 PM
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I don't understand how both of those statements could be true.
That's fair. Personally, I feel SLU is a great mid-major program, even having not had the big March run(s). They spend/invest great. They have GREAT facilities. Arguably the best in the A10 now, with their O'Loughlin Champions Center. Typically, they compete at a high level, both A10 and against the P6's. When the team is relevant and competing, the fanbase will show up and show out. The market no longer has the NFL to compete with. No NBA team. Just the Blues during hoops season. The local recruiting scene is plush with talent. Lots of influential basketball alums attend the games and remain connected with the program. It's a great head coaching job and a great program.
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In other news . . .

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St Bonaventure 71 @ #21 Dayton 76

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This St. Louis team is really struggling. And man what a tough way to lose for GM at UMass.
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VCU up two over Richmond at the break. Least amount of points Richmond has scored in the first half all season.
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I’d say we want a Richmond win, no? Our game with them is teetering between Quads 1 and 2
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Iíd say we want a Richmond win, no? Our game with them is teetering between Quads 1 and 2
Iíd want them to loose one game more than we do.
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This St. Louis team is really struggling. And man what a tough way to lose for GM at UMass.
Maybe I missed it, but how did George Mason lose?
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Maybe I missed it, but how did George Mason lose?
Mason tied it at 65 with less than 2 seconds but then fouled UMASS on the inbounds with less than a second left. Made 1st missed 2nd game over. I did not see it.
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Maybe I missed it, but how did George Mason lose?
The GM player thought they were still losing after scoring with 2 seconds left and fouled on purpose thinking he needed to. The UMass player made the first and missed the 2nd on purpose.
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Lots of Satueday action

Results for Saturday, Feb 3, 2024

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#1 UConn 77 @ St John's 64
#4 Houston 65 @ #8 Kansas 78
Cincinnati 75 @ #15 Texas Tech 72
Northwestern 66 @ Minnesota 75 (OT)
Arkansas 74 @ LSU 95
Cleveland State 71 @ Oakland 83
Troy 78 @ Georgia State 74
Longwood 77 @ Charleston Southern 83
UT Martin 90 @ SIUE 79
Grambling 70 @ Jackson State 62

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Richmond 52 @ VCU 63
Saint Joe's 88 @ LaSalle 82
George Mason 65 @ UMass 66
Duquesne 85 @ Rhode Island 71
Fordham 67 @ Saint Louis 65

Ranked teams:
#7 Duke 84 @ #3 North Carolina 93
#5 Tennessee 103 @ #10 Kentucky 92
#9 Marquette 91 @ Georgetown 57
#12 Iowa State 68 @ #18 Baylor 70
#16 Auburn 91 @ Ole Miss 77
#17 Utah State 67 @ San Diego State 81
Tulsa 70 @ #20 Florida Atlantic 102
#22 BYU 86 @ West Virginia 73
#23 Oklahoma 63 @ UCF 74
Mississippi State 67 @ #24 Alabama 99
Texas 77 @ #25 TCU 66


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Sunday's results

Results for Sunday, Feb 4, 2024

Flyer opponents:
UAB 69 @ SMU 72
Youngstown State 78 @ Purdue Fort Wayne 82

A-10 scores
Davidson 63 @ Loyola Chicago 76

Ranked teams:
#2 Purdue 75 @ #6 Wisconsin 69
Stanford 71 @ #11 Arizona 82
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Monday's scores

Results for Monday, Feb 5, 2024

Flyer opponents:
Grambling 78 @ Alcorn State 67

A-10 scores
No games scheduled

Ranked teams:
#4 Kansas 70 @ Kansas State 74 (OT)

Other games of note: whatever happened to the other Miami?
Miami (Fla) 38 @ Virginia 60


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Tuesday scores

Results for Tuesday, Feb 6, 2024

Flyer opponents:
Oklahoma State 63 @ #5 Houston 79
DePaul 57 @ St John's 85

A-10 scores
#18 Dayton 94 @ Saint Joe's 79
VCU 75 @ Fordham 60
Rhode Island 88 @ George Washington 65

Ranked teams:
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Clemson 80 @ #3 North Carolina 76
#23 Texas Tech 73 @ #13 Baylor 79
#14 Iowa State 70 @ Texas 65
Ole Miss 65 @ #15 South Carolina 68
#17 Kentucky 109 @ Vanderbilt 77
#21 BYU 66 @ Oklahoma 82
Nevada 77 @ #22 Utah State 63
#24 San Diego State 77 @ Air Force 64
#25 New Mexico 91 @ Wyoming 73


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Man, I can't get over the Travis Ford $10 mil buyout, wow.

I have no idea why they gave him a great deal like that, totally unjustified. He is likely going to be 1/8 there after this year.

IU had to pay Archie $10 mil to leave.

Very, very hard to believe that SLU can come up with that kind of $ to get him to leave. That is a huge buyout for an A10 program.

That big of a buyout can destroy an A10 program for several years IMO.

This is perfect for us though in terms of Big East expansion. We want them to bring Ford back next year and continue struggling.

Ford is bad for the A10 though in terms of overall league strength.

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Man, I can't get over the Travis Ford $10 mil buyout, wow.

I have no idea why they gave him a great deal like that, totally unjustified. He is likely going to be 1/8 there after this year.

IU had to pay Archie $10 mil to leave.

Very, very hard to believe that SLU can come up with that kind of $ to get him to leave. That is a huge buyout for an A10 program.

That big of a buyout can destroy an A10 program for several years IMO.

This is perfect for us though in terms of Big East expansion. We want them to bring Ford back next year and continue struggling.

Ford is bad for the A10 though in terms of overall league strength.
Correction: IU had to pay UD $10M when Archie left (if that was the number). Thatís one reason you put a big buyout in a contract. They obviously miss evaluated their situation.
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Iím still kind of dumbfounded that Fordham is as bad as they are this year. They went 25-8 last season, and supposedly had some talent returning (though they did lose their top 2 scorers). Just puzzling.
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Correction: IU had to pay UD $10M when Archie left (if that was the number). Thatís one reason you put a big buyout in a contract. They obviously miss evaluated their situation.
Why did IU have to pay UD when they fired Archie?
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Correction: IU had to pay UD $10M when Archie left (if that was the number). That’s one reason you put a big buyout in a contract. They obviously miss evaluated their situation.
No, IU had to pay Archie directly $10 mil to make him leave. Archie was unemployed for one season, then RI hired him. Iinm, whatever RI is paying him offsets whatever portion of the $10 mil that IU still owes him.

The IU fans were quite angry iinm that they had to pay Archie as much as they did just to have him leave. So, if a big, state-supported school is complaining about the $10 mil, then a much smaller, private school like SLU is going to have a pretty tough time coming up with $10 mil IMO.

GT had to pay their former hc Paul Hewitt $7.2 mil to leave before BG took over, and the GT fans all thought $7.2 mil was a lot.

Seems highly unlikely that some other school would be interested in hiring Ford at this point, so as to offset SLU's buyout amount, if Ford's deal is set up like Archie's was at IU.

Mark Cuban, an IU alum, and other boosters iinm helped pay the $10 mil to Archie.

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Loyola appears to be playing well. It will be a tough game on the road.
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Loyola appears to be playing well. It will be a tough game on the road.
It was a huge UD crowd last year, and I think Chicago has the largest alumni base outside of Ohio. That gym is not huge and its a good place to watch a game.... but I would bet 30% UD there.
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Why did IU have to pay UD when they fired Archie?
I misread the post, sorry. I thought he was referring to whatever the buyout was when Archie, still under contract with UD, left to take the IU job.
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No, IU had to pay Archie directly $10 mil to make him leave. Archie was unemployed for one season, then RI hired him. Iinm, whatever RI is paying him offsets whatever portion of the $10 mil that IU still owes him.

The IU fans were quite angry iinm that they had to pay Archie as much as they did just to have him leave. So, if a big, state-supported school is complaining about the $10 mil, then a much smaller, private school like SLU is going to have a pretty tough time coming up with $10 mil IMO.

GT had to pay their former hc Paul Hewitt $7.2 mil to leave before BG took over, and the GT fans all thought $7.2 mil was a lot.

Seems highly unlikely that some other school would be interested in hiring Ford at this point, so as to offset SLU's buyout amount, if Ford's deal is set up like Archie's was at IU.

Mark Cuban, an IU alum, and other boosters iinm helped pay the $10 mil to Archie.
Yeah, misread the post, but the concept is the same. The buyout of the contract is the buyout of the contract, whoever wants to terminate it pays the buyout. So IU paid UD, (on Archie's behalf), when Archie left. The original post wondered "why they would give him a great deal like that." I was simply pointing out that there is more than one side to a buyout and that is why teams put these big buyouts in contracts. Think about it, with Travis Ford's playing history and pedigree, if he had taken SLU to the tourney a couple times, (they were supposed to be good the last couple seasons), somebody would have snatched him up. My guess is that buyout wasn't meant to reward Travis as much as it was to discourage poaching or at least make sure SLU got paid if Travis were poached.

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Yeah, misread the post, but the concept is the same. The buyout of the contract is the buyout of the contract, whoever wants to terminate it pays the buyout. So IU paid UD, (on Archie's behalf), when Archie left. The original post wondered "why they would give him a great deal like that." I was simply pointing out that there is more than one side to a buyout and that is why teams put these big buyouts in contracts. Think about it, with Travis Ford's playing history and pedigree, if he had taken SLU to the tourney a couple times, (they were supposed to be good the last couple seasons), somebody would have snatched him up. My guess is that buyout wasn't meant to reward Travis as much as it was to discourage poaching or at least make sure SLU got paid if Travis were poached.
Fair enough, but isn't he near the end of his contract by now? He went to the ncaat in year 3, this is year 8, how long of an extension did they give him after year 3?

How can they still owe him $10 mil? If he is getting paid around $2-3 mil per year, how can he still have 3-4+? years left on his contract?

The $10 mil buyout only comes into play if he isn't near the end of his contract.

This is a potentially short term to medium term program-killing amount of $ that they owe him if this is true.

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Fair enough, but isn't he near the end of his contract by now? He went to the ncaat in year 3, this is year 8, how long of an extension did they give him after year 3?

How can they still owe him $10 mil? If he is getting paid around $2-3 mil per year, how can he still have 3-4+? years left on his contract?

The $10 mil buyout only comes into play if he isn't near the end of his contract.

This is a potentially short term to medium term program-killing amount of $ that they owe him if this is true.
Lol, nobody knows because the SLU AD doesnít release contract details and doesnít have to at a private school. Even the $10M number is ďaccording to sourcesĒ although I accept it as true for purposes of the discussion. You are right though, if heís near the end of the contract it doesnít make much sense. Maybe it started at $10M and declines every year, who knows. Maybe it stays at $10M for the life of the contract. If he is near the end of the contract and the number is smaller you have to wonder why they would continue paying him $2-3M per year rather than just ripping off the bandaid. Maybe they will this off-season.
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The University runs the program very well from a dollar standpoint. I doubt there is some fiscal shortcoming to the Grant contract that will "bite" the program. There are a few posters desperate to find anything negative about Grant. That leads to rumors, misinterpretations and downright lies.
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The University runs the program very well from a dollar standpoint. I doubt there is some fiscal shortcoming to the Grant contract that will "bite" the program. There are a few posters desperate to find anything negative about Grant. That leads to rumors, misinterpretations and downright lies.
Just to be clear, we were discussing the situation of Travis Ford, the hc at SLU, SLU apparently owes him $10 mil if he is let go this year. He is 1/7 there now, this year is year 8, so looking like he will be 1/8, yet they still owe him an astonishing $10 mil.
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Holy smokes, Kansas lost by 30 to an unranked opponent.
Proof again that itís not easy winning on the road.
Kansas is the latest top-10 team to lose a road game to an unranked opponent. It means top-10 teams are now 32-35 in such games this season.

That's a winning percentage of 47.8%, which is 25.5 percentage points lower than the normal historical standard for top-10 teams against unranked opponents on the road and 14.2 percentage points lower than the all-time worst winning percentage in a season for top-10 teams against unranked opponents on the road.
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Holy smokes, Kansas lost by 30 to an unranked opponent.
Proof again that itís not easy winning on the road.
Yep. Just look at Wisconsin who was ranked as high as 6 and has lost 4 straight games with 3 OTR to very average opponents or, rather, all unranked teams.
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Holy smokes, Kansas lost by 30 to an unranked opponent.
Proof again that itís not easy winning on the road.
Texas Tech is a tournament team, they are a 7 seed in the latest Bracketogy
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Holy smokes, Kansas lost by 30 to an unranked opponent.
Proof again that itís not easy winning on the road.
I watched the end of that game, Kansas hc Self got ejected, I think the reason for ejection was because he was yelling at the refs.

TT poured it on at the end, they were winning by 15, ending up winning by 30.
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Flyer opponents:
#10 Iowa State 68 @ Cincinnati 59
St John's 72 @ Providence 75
LSU 80 @ Florida 82

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Duquesne 59 @ #16 Dayton 75
George Washington 67 @ George Mason 90
La Salle 56 @ Davidson 71

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#7 North Carolina 79 @ Syracuse 86
#25 Oklahoma 62 @ #12 Baylor 79
Michigan 68 @ #14 Illinois 97
Georgetown 72 @ #17 Creighton 94
UCF 88 @ #19 BYU 90
Ohio State 54 @ #20 Wisconsin 62
Pitt 74 @ #21 Virginia 63
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Yikes. The non conference wins are looking less impressive by the day
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Indiana State is ranked for the first time since Bird, and it will only last one week. Too bad.
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A lot of ranked teams are getting beat by the unranked...and we thought NIL was going to create a two-tiered NCAA!
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What little gain we made Sunday with NW and SMU winning has been wiped out by Wednesday. Non-con opponents 0-4 since then.
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A lot of ranked teams are getting beat by the unranked...and we thought NIL was going to create a two-tiered NCAA!
Good NIL money goes to starters. Don't start but have potential - well guess what - this other team has more NIL if you move over and you also get to be a starter. Sitting on the bench of a blue blood does not have the cachť it once did.

Sure - freshman get that NIL money as part of the recruiting process - but after the first year if they are not starting the money will be greatly reduced. Alums don't want to donate to NIL's for bench warmers.
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Just came across my feed that in fact Holtmann is out. Wow.
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Just came across my feed that in fact Holtmann is out. Wow.
OSU has to pay a huge buyout, 10-15 million to move on from Holtmann. Possible replacement, Chris Mack? He recently said he would like to return to coaching if the right job came along. Who knows?
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Did the buyout increase at the end of the season? Is that why they did it now?
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So The Fan Columbus is currently just wrapping up an interview with Scheffty, and their next segment was teased by here's what Travis Kelsey said about the flareup on the sidelines. If that tells you anything about where Buckeye basketball sits right now.
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So The Fan Columbus is currently just wrapping up an interview with Scheffty, and their next segment was teased by here's what Travis Kelsey said about the flareup on the sidelines. If that tells you anything about where Buckeye basketball sits right now.
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Richmond down a bakerís dozen to UMass at the halfÖ
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Don't forget that Richmond has the tie breaker against us should we both finish with the same record. If Loyola wins tonight vs. St. Joes they also will have only 2 loses. Richmond also holds the tie breaker over Loyola. VCU only has three losses and has both Richmond and UD to play. It is going to be a fun finish!

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Don't forget that Richmond has the tie breaker against us should we both finish with the same record. If Loyola wins tonight vs. St. Joes they also will have only 2 loses. Richmond also holds the tie breaker over Loyola. VCU only has three losses and has both Richmond and UD to play. It is going to be a fun finish!
Yes and if we end in a 3 way tie Richmond would be 1 and the winner of the Loyola game would be the 2. Long way from that reality yet since itís now a 4 dog race with VCU.
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Yes and if we end in a 3 way tie Richmond would be 1 and the winner of the Loyola game would be the 2. Long way from that reality yet since itís now a 4 dog race with VCU.
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A pair of 101s

Results for Wednesday, Feb 14, 2024

Flyer opponents:
Robert Morris 77 @ Youngstown State 87
Oakland 71 @ Purdue Fort Wayne 63

A-10 scores
UMass 69 @ Richmond 59
Saint Joe's 59 @ Loyola Chicago 64
St Bonaventure 85 @ Fordham 67

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#1 UConn 101 @ DePaul 65
#8 Tennessee 92 @ Arkansas 63
#11 South Carolina 61 @ #13 Auburn 101

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IUPUI (6-21) 66 @ Detroit Mercy (1-26) 81
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First, Glen, thanks for the work that you do in keeping us informed through this thread. This time of year, itís pretty much a daily check-in point for me, as we jockey for A10T seeding and NCAAT positioning. Again: thanks.

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Indiana is projected to be 17-14 (9-11)...not projected to make the NIT...I highly doubt this was what they envisioned in year 3 of Archie's replacement when they fired Archie
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Washington State is having a good year, they are a projected 8 seed. This would be only their 7th ncaat bid ever.

Their hc, Kyle Smith, has a son with autism, a very challenging situation. Nice story below about the coach: his Nerdball stats, getting his players to play hard, and dealing with his son's autism.


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Woodson is an interesting case. He hasn't been horrible, won a first 4 game in year 1 @ IU. Tied for 2nd in the conference in year 2 (but at 12-8, so must have been a huge tie for 2nd place) and won a first round game.


Not making the tournament in year 3.


He is an IU alum. Certainly the results have not been what the fans expect/demand, but its not horrible either. Normally I think you would give a coach in this situation at least 1 more season unless recruiting is a total failure (I have no clue, other than recruiting Cupps who hasn't played sporadically how their recruiting is). But there is the case of fellow alum Dusty May.



There is the opening at OSU and likely another opening soon at Michigan and Dusty May would seemingly be a top shelf candidate for either. Would IU boot one alum for a different alum? Is Mark Cuban willing to foot the bill again?


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Indiana is projected to be 17-14 (9-11)...not projected to make the NIT...I highly doubt this was what they envisioned in year 3 of Archie's replacement when they fired Archie
Indiana was broken before they hired Archie but this just goes to show that you can't always just turn it around on a dime when you make a change. Likewise, just because the last coach was successful doesn't mean the new guy is just going to win in year one. If the program declines long and far enough it may no longer be a desirable job. I think this is where Indiana is headed if they are not already there. You have a fan base with expectations based on 20 years ago that are no longer reasonable but coaches are still held to those expectations. What established, successful coach wants that job, so you are left to role the dice with unproven guys, sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't.
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Indiana needs to get rid of those cringe warm up pants before they worry about anything else. I understand tradition and all, but my god those things are embarrassing and hideous. You couldn't pay me to wear those.
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Indiana needs to get rid of those cringe warm up pants before they worry about anything else. I understand tradition and all, but my god those things are embarrassing and hideous. You couldn't pay me to wear those.
The players are being paid to wear those warm ups . . .
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On an aside, I turned on the X vs Seton Hall game last night while doing the dishes and getting lunches together. MY 8 year old son walks into the room and asks who I was rooting for. I told him I didn't really care much, just something to put on in the background while I did some chores. He looked at me and said "well I'm rooting for Seton Hall because you told me to never root for Xavier". Good kid that one is
Awesome. XU will always be a measuring stick for UD, whether or not we are in the same conference.

And as much as I disagree with some on this board, I would rather hang with anyone on this board than any XU alum/fan. Fact.
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Indiana needs to get rid of those cringe warm up pants before they worry about anything else. I understand tradition and all, but my god those things are embarrassing and hideous. You couldn't pay me to wear those.
The fans love them, they where them to the games.
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Indiana was broken before they hired Archie
Tom Crean won two Big10 titles, had the Hoosiers ranked #1 in the nation for over two months, and went to three Sweet-16s. At this point, IU fans would sacrifice their first-born child to get broke like that again.

The days of dynasties are largely over. Too much parity anymore. Duke is no longer the Duke of old, neither is UCLA, Kentucky, UNC, or <insert name>. Kansas is about the most consistent blue-blood left but it's harder than it's ever been to be consistently good. Several non-power league teams have made the Final Four now so its no longer a total surprise to see it happen. NIL. The portal. While the rich do continue to get richer, they are not necessarily the unsinkable Molly Browns they used to be once the whistle blows.
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Tom Crean won two Big10 titles, had the Hoosiers ranked #1 in the nation for over two months, and went to three Sweet-16s. At this point, IU fans would sacrifice their first-born child to get broke like that again.

The days of dynasties are largely over. Too much parity anymore. Duke is no longer the Duke of old, neither is UCLA, Kentucky, UNC, or <insert name>. Kansas is about the most consistent blue-blood left but it's harder than it's ever been to be consistently good. Several non-power league teams have made the Final Four now so its no longer a total surprise to see it happen. NIL. The portal. While the rich do continue to get richer, they are not necessarily the unsinkable Molly Browns they used to be once the whistle blows.
I didn't say Crean broke IU, I said IU was broken before they hired Archie. IU was broken the day the punk son of a trustee got Bob Knight fired.

Your second paragraph is my point. The days of dynasties may be over, but the fans don't know that or don't care. I mean look at UD. We were a once a decade NCAA team for the most part. AM catches lightning in a bottle and gets to an Elite 8 followed by two "home" wins in the tournament the following year, (one literally at home), and we have people clamoring for the firing of the national coach of the year because we missed the tourney the following year, (after losing a lottery pick). It has been pointed out by others in other threads but how many of the non P6 teams that have had their runs, have sustained it. Gonzaga, that is all, but the fans don't care. To fans if you went to the Elite 8, or won several national championships before the current players were born, that is a guaranty of future success and anybody who can't attain it is worthless.
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The players are being paid to wear those warm ups . . .
Not enough!
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Awesome. XU will always be a measuring stick for UD, whether or not we are in the same conference.

And as much as I disagree with some on this board, I would rather hang with anyone on this board than any XU alum/fan. Fact.
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The players are being paid to wear those warm ups . . .
Not by IU they aren't. The argument about paying players was ended in my mind when I watched the news last night. I saw that Iowa women's tix are going for up to $3K as the breaking of the record nears. But Caitlan Clark deserves nothing in addition to her scholarship, right? After all, Iowa built the arena and invested in the program right? Wait until next year when attendance is back to 500 die hards. If you don't have the players to put butts in the stands it doesn't matter what your history is or how nice your arena or facilities are. Those things may help but the players are what drives revenue.
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Richmond's NET ranking dropped from 70 to 78 with the UMass loss.
UMass moved up from 93 to 87.

Referencing the BE thread: Georgetown (198), DePaul (321), Seton Hall (67).
131 spots between #9 and #10 and another 123 between #10 and #11 is some serious separation.
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Awesome. XU will always be a measuring stick for UD, whether or not we are in the same conference.

And as much as I disagree with some on this board, I would rather hang with anyone on this board than any XU alum/fan. Fact.
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Not by IU they aren't. The argument about paying players was ended in my mind when I watched the news last night. I saw that Iowa women's tix are going for up to $3K as the breaking of the record nears. But Caitlan Clark deserves nothing in addition to her scholarship, right? After all, Iowa built the arena and invested in the program right? Wait until next year when attendance is back to 500 die hards. If you don't have the players to put butts in the stands it doesn't matter what your history is or how nice your arena or facilities are. Those things may help but the players are what drives revenue.

How many people around here say "nothing in addition to her scholarship"? Seems pretty much a strawman to me. Maybe something between being a full-blown paid professional athlete and $0 is up for discussion?


Kelsey Plumb broke the college scoring record in front of 6,775 people in 1997. I wonder how women's college basketball came to be so well known? Just pure luck I guess. Quick: name the all-time leading women's water polo scorer. Lacross? Soccer? No? Huh. Maybe it's a thing that building out the brand and the sport means something. Maybe all that investment by the NCAA mattered.


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